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Dear Reader, By way of a challenge to my detractors, I
know of a wealthy person who is willing to give a large sum of money to
anyone who can successfully disprove the assertions of this document. Please submit your rebuttals and I will
forward them to my acquaintance. So
far, he admits that any rebuttal he has read of late is not sufficient to
disprove my message. I will give you
his answer(s) and tell you why he accepts or rejects your rebuttal, and then
you will be put in contact with the man. The person I speak of has a wife who loves
the church more than God, and he would be all too happy to reward you for
relieving his guilt for not wanting to accept my message for fear of losing
his wife and children. I think he
would accept it were it not for his wife who has threatened to leave him if
he embraces my message. She has not
studied it. She is just blindly
convinced by church leaders that they are right. If
you are successful, he is an honest man and he will reward you greatly and
will also give a large sum to the professing I am sure SDA leaders would be all too
happy to kick-in a goodly reward because my message has taken money away from
the coffers of the apostate New Movement SDA church. If you personally, or if you know of any
detractors of my warning message that you consider able and ready
individuals, please give them this challenge and/or take it yourself. Good luck, and I
do not believe in luck. That is why I
say good luck, because neither do I believe that there is any such evidence
that will disprove my warning message. I received the following questions from
Walt. The Holy Spirit led me to the
fact that my answers would be most instructive and of benefit to many who
need an outline form answering the questions in the heading above. So I will publish to you my answers to Walt
on the Internet. First, Walt’s
questions to me and then my response. *** Original Message From:
"WS" <sd4a@yahoo.ie To: "Sda
Issues" <sdaissues@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SDAIssues]
Re: Amended Copy Clark Floyd's Article Date: Thursday, February 09,
2006 8:08 AM Hi Ron I might have a question or two to ask,
for clarification sake. That is: not
for aggression or argument, but to get a “handle” on what you are saying and
to just know and declare the whole truth – to leave something behind for all
to consider. _______________ That the wheat cannot "fully"
mature among open sinners -- is true, but does such mean that they cannot
grow, even though the growth be "retarded" (slow)? And if the above be true, is there not then
specified a separation that must at some time, take place? Does EGW say anything on the matter? Is this what she speaks of with the mention
of the church being purified? Thus being determined (that a separation
is needed), is it to take place by the wheat being moved (transplanted), or
are the tares plucked out? What does the "Scriptural"
record foretell? Let me know what you think on these specific question, and perhaps I’ll be able to share
a thing or two. Take Care Walt Ron’s response: In response to your question Walt: “That the wheat cannot "fully"
mature among open sinners -- is true, but does such mean that they cannot
grow, even though the growth be "retarded" (slow)?” The Bible says that the thorns choke the
Word and make it unfruitful. The
thorns achieve that by teaching another false gospel. Were it possible to dwell with such
thorns, we would never had to come out of Mat 13:22 He also that received seed
among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and
the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh
unfruitful. Mar 4:19 And the cares of this world, and
the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. "The thorns of sin will grow in any soil they need no
cultivation but grace must be carefully cultivated. The briers and thorns are
always ready to spring up, and the work of purification must advance
continually.... The thorns that have been cut off but not uprooted grow space,
until the soul [and or the church] is overspread with them." E. G.
White, Christ's Object Lessons, 50. Quiescent, insincere believer tares, are
not to be uprooted until the close of probationary time, Christ's Object
Lessons, 72. Open sinning thorns are to be uprooted, or the church will be
overspread with them and they will choke out and kill the wheat, making it
impossible for the wheat to mature. This is why the wheat must be separated
from a church that is controlled by open sinning, apostate thorns. "Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open
sin must be separated from the church..." Christ's Object Lessons,
71. Where did Christ plainly teach that those who persist in open sin
must be separated from the church? "It is impossible for you to unite with those who are
corrupt, and still remain pure. (II
Corinthians 6:14, 15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host
would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become
corrupt." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137. Will SDA leaders separate sinners who refuse to be reformed? Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the Lord's
sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient
men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians
of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had
taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked
manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These
words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit
His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace
and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice
like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of
Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones
who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little
children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. Tell me Walt, how are sinners removed from the church when the
leaders will NEVER AGAIN show them their sins? And you who think that the church will be
reformed and purged of its sinners to leave it the purified SDA Church
triumphant, how will that occur since the people rise no higher than their
leaders? Also, the chapter containing
the above Ellen White statement, begins quoting
Ezekiel 9. Why does the slaughter of
men, maidens and little children begin at His Sanctuary, those who have been
privileged with great light, if that church is purged and purified of its sinners. That
personal opinion theory of professing Seventh-day Adventists is not according
to the PREFIGURE we will study later in this document. That is why Christ separated Himself and His followers from the
open sin apostasy of the Jewish organized church: "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ
and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of
forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed
religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. "The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the
harvest and the harvest is THE END OF PROBATIONARY TIME." Christ's
Object Lessons, p. 72. Most folk don’t know about the thorns. They know only of the
tares. “This labor of purifying the church is a painful work, but one
that must not be neglected, if the church would have the commendation of
God." E. G. White, Review and Herald Articles,
06-07-1887, paragraph 16. "Men in responsible positions are uniting with those in the
church and out of the church, whose counsel is misleading." Testimonies,
vol. 8, p. 69. Valid Question—Valid Answer:
So why did not Ellen White leave in light of all her serious
statements like those above? Because,
like · Formed an
Omega of Apostasy New Movement that has fulfilled every specification of
Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5, thereby it has “removed God.” · Adopted the
Trinity doctrine that denies the Sacrifice the Son Made at His Incarnation in
giving His life and Soul--prior DIVINE ONLY LIFE--as a gift to us for
regeneration into the image of God.
For more on how the Trinity Doctrine denigrates the Holy Spirit, see
the following link: https://omega77.tripod.com/godheadpurpose.htm · Formed
forbidden alliances and liaisons with the fallen churches of The bride of Christ can never KNOWINGLY be so defiled with any
church (woman). Christ thus marries a
pure (bethula) virgin, the meaning of virgin in
Isaiah 62:5, while the ten virgins are concubines. "Any connection with infidels and UNBELIEVERS which would
identify us with them is FORBIDDEN by the word. We are to come out from them
and be separate. in no case are we to link ourselves
with them in their plans or work." E. G. White,
Fundamentals of Christian Education, 482. "We must AS A PEOPLE arouse and cleanse the camp of "The world must not be introduced into the church, and
married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church
will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every
unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 265. "The church cannot measure herself
by the world nor by the opinion of men nor by what she ONCE was. Her faith
and her position in the world as they NOW ARE must be COMPARED (JUDGED) with
what they would have been if her course had been continually onward and
upward. The church will be weighed in the balances of the sanctuary. If her
moral character and spiritual state do not correspond with the benefits and
blessings God has conferred upon her, SHE WILL BE FOUND WANTING."
Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 83, 84. Also tell me and my wealthy friend why, if the church is purged
and purified, that every uncouth thing will be coming into its campmeetings JUST BEFGORE PROBATION CLOSES—a little late
for reformation then! "The things you have described as taking place in The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a
bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious
methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere,
elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the
worship of God blended with music, than to use musical instruments to do the
work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our campmeetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of
this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the
senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The
powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival,
and this is termed the Holy Spirit's working." E. G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 2, 36. The Strongest Evidences for Separation as a Response to Apostasy: 1. The response of Christ is our prime
source of truth regarding a correct
response to apostasy: "Christ
was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They
came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies.
Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply
accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review
and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. 2. God’s instruction to Jeremiah is a prime example
to follow: 9 And
the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of 3. God’s instruction to Isaiah in the even of ecumenical
liaison of God’s people is critical: Associate yourselves, O ye people, and
ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird
yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall
be broken in pieces. 10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God
is with us. 11 For the LORD spake thus
to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way
of this people, saying, 12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this
people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. 13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and
let him be your dread. 4. God’s instruction to Ezekiel is most important as
to how a separation of a remnant occurred and will occur at the end time: Ezekiel
5
5. The few in number are those who escape!
Separate! 6. 31
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of 7. God’s instruction through Isaiah is paramount and
to the point: Isaiah
4
8. Who was 9. Which was True Jerusalem--the home churches Jesus
and the disciples developed, or the apostate 10. Who left who in the PREFIGURE? The followers of Christ left the apostate
church and formed home churches.
Later, 3 ½ years before Jerusalem was destroyed in A.D. 70, all the
true Christians fled to the mountains of Pella in the land of Peraea. Here is
the account for your convenience and for those around the world who do not
own or have access to the SDA Bible Commentary: “In the autumn of A.D. 66, Cestius
next concentrated his entire force upon Jerusalem. He arrived during the celebration of the
Feast of Tabernacles, and although it was Sabbath, the Jews abandoned their
religious rites and rushed out to attack Cestius’
troops. To the amazement of both
Romans and Jews, they broke the Roman ranks.
Indeed, Josephus declares that only a flank attack by a force of
footmen and cavalry saved Cestius’ forces. More than 500 Roman soldiers were killed,
whereas the Jews lost only 22 men (War
ii. 198, 2 [519]). At this point
Agrippa sent an embassy to the Jews; their reaction was to attack his
representatives, killing one and wounding the other. Encouraged by a promise of the royalist
party in Jerusalem to open the gates for him, Cestius
then gathered his troops to a fresh assault, and penetrated as far as the
north wall of the Temple. Then an
astounding thing happened: Cestius withdrew his
troops, and placed himself strategically in such a
poor position among the Judean hills that the Jews were able to attack him
and kill more than 5,000 infantry and nearly 500 cavalry, including many
officers, as well as to capture much materiel. A Lull in
the Storm.—The defeat and
withdrawal of Cestius gave many of the conservative
Jews a chance to flee from Jerusalem. Some of them joined Agrippa, others sought
quiet in country places, and still others left the country entirely. It was at this time that the Christians
in Jerusalem fled in accordance with the warning of Jesus recorded in Matt.
24:15-19. According to Eusebius,
the 4th-century historian, the
Christians in Jerusalem had been warned by prophets before the war began that
they should leave the doomed city and find refuge at Pella in Peraea. They
now took this opportunity to make good their escape (Ecclesiastical History iii. 5, 3).” SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5,
74, 75. Important facts:
Ellen White parallels the presence of Cestius’
army on Jewish soil as being the time to leave the cities for smaller
dwellings preparatory to having to leave for the mountains at the time of the
National Sunday Law. Many mistake this
as the time to leave the apostate church.
That is not how it worked in the PREFIGURE. The time of the National Sunday Law will be the last
chance for any tares to leave the church as the following statement states. But that is no excuse for those who know of
the apostasy NOW. “The days
are fast approaching when there will be great perplexity and confusion.
Satan, clothed in angel robes, will deceive, if possible, the very elect.
There will be gods many and lords many. Every wind of doctrine will be
blowing. Those who have rendered supreme homage to "science falsely so
called" will not be the leaders then. Those who have trusted to
intellect, genius, or talent will not then stand at the head of rank and file.
They did not keep pace with the light. Those who have proved
themselves unfaithful will not then be entrusted with the flock. In the
last solemn work few great men will be engaged. They are self-sufficient,
independent of God, and He cannot use them. The Lord has faithful servants,
who in the shaking, testing time will be disclosed
81 to view. There are precious ones now hidden who
have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have not had the light which has been
shining in a concentrated blaze upon you. But it may be under a rough and
uninviting exterior the pure brightness of a genuine Christian character will
be revealed. In the day time we look toward heaven but do not see the stars.
They are there, fixed in the firmament, but the eye cannot distinguish them.
In the night we behold their genuine luster. {5T 80.1} The time
is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The mark of the
beast will be urged upon us. Those who have step by step yielded to
worldly demands and conformed to worldly customs will not find it a hard
matter to yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to
derision, insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. The contest is between
the commandments of God and the commandments of men. In this time the gold
will be separated from the dross in the church. True godliness will be
clearly distinguished from the appearance and tinsel of it. Many a star
that we have admired for its brilliancy will then go out in darkness.
Chaff like a cloud will be borne away on the wind, even from places where we
see only floors of rich wheat. All who assume the ornaments of the sanctuary,
but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will appear in the shame of
their own nakedness. {5T 81.1} When
trees without fruit are cut down as cumberers of the ground, when multitudes
of false brethren are distinguished from the true, then the hidden ones
will be revealed to view, and with hosannas range under the banner of
Christ. Those who have been timid and self-distrustful will declare
themselves openly for Christ and His truth. The most weak and hesitating in
the church will be as David--willing to do and dare. The deeper the night for
God's people, the more brilliant the stars. Satan will sorely harass the
faithful; but, in the name of Jesus, they will come off more than conquerors.
Then will the church of Christ appear "fair as the moon, clear as the
sun, and terrible as an army with banners." {5T 81.2} Let’s review some very important aspects of the
above statement: · There are precious ones now hidden who have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have
not had the light which has been shining in a concentrated blaze upon you
[SDA’s]. · Those who have step by step yielded to worldly
demands and conformed to worldly customs will not find it a hard matter to
yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to derision,
insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. · In this time the
gold will be separated from the dross in the church. · When trees without fruit are cut down as cumberers
of the ground, when multitudes of false brethren are distinguished from the
true, then the hidden ones
will be revealed to view, and with hosannas range under the banner of Christ. · In the first paragraph the precious ones now hidden who have not bowed
the knee to Baal. And have not had the light which has been shining in a
concentrated blaze upon you [SDA’s], are obviously the faithful in Babylon’s
fallen churches who will heed the final call to come out. · In the last paragraph of 5T 80, those same HIDDEN
ones will be revealed to view at the time of the National Sunday Law. My important point being that the Sunday
Law is the final time when ALL God’s faithful in all the fallen churches,
including the SDA fallen church, will have opportunity to leave. That is the time the final loud cry awakens
the ten-sleeping virgins in all churches. · The bride, Christ’s beloved is awakened before the
final Loud Cry, because she must be prepared to give that Loud Cry. Who awakens the bride, the true reformers? · "Characteristics
of True Reformers.--Here are given
the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner
of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's
commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in
the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls [awakens] them,
The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths
to dwell in? It is God.
Their names are registered
[written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the
foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary,
Vol. 4, 1151. · Who do they awaken? “Lingering near the
bride's house are ten young women robed in white. Each carries a lighted lamp
and a small flagon for oil. All are anxiously watching for the appearance of
the bridegroom. But there is a delay [since 1844]. Hour after hour passes;
the watchers become weary and fall asleep. At midnight the [Loud] cry is
heard, "Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." The sleepers, suddenly
awaking, spring to their feet. They see the procession moving on,
bright with torches and glad with music. They hear the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride.” E.G. White, Christ’s Object Lessons, p.
405-6. · How many virgins slept?
Isa 62:1 For Zion's sake will I not hold my
peace, and for Jerusalem's sake
I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and
the salvation thereof as a lamp [that] burneth. Isa 62:2 And the Gentiles
shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a
new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. Isa 62:3 Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD,
and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.
Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall
thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the
LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land [New
Jerusalem] shall be married. Isa 62:5 For [as] a young
man marrieth a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry
thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoiceth over
the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee. Isa 62:6 I have set
watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, [which] shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make
mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
· What is the New Name the bride Zion gets? Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will
I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I
will write upon him the name of my
God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem,
which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. · Are you responsible for what you know? Will you be judged according to what you
know? It is nice to be curious,
friend, but that makes you responsible for what you have learned. Can you know the awakening message to the
bride and then disregard it to become one of her ten-virgin daughters? · Does Ellen White further delineate between the bride
and her daughter or “guests” at the wedding? · “The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the
capital and representative of the kingdom, is called "the bride, the
Lamb's wife." Said the angel to John: "Come hither, I will show
thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." "He carried me away in the
spirit," says the prophet, "and showed me that great city, the holy
Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." Revelation 21:9, 10.
Clearly, then, the bride represents the Holy City [is the earthly representative
of the heavenly church of Heb. 12-22, 23], and the virgins that go out
to meet the bridegroom are a symbol of the church. In the Revelation the
people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper.
Revelation 19:9. If guests, they
cannot be represented also as the bride. Christ, as stated by the
prophet Daniel, will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven,
"dominion, and glory, and a kingdom;" He will receive the New Jerusalem, the capital
of His kingdom, "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
Daniel 7:14; Revelation 21:2. Having received the kingdom, He will come in
His glory, as King of kings and Lord of lords, for the redemption of His
people, who are to "sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,"
at His table in His kingdom (Matthew 8:11; Luke 22:30), to partake of the
marriage supper of the Lamb.” The Great Controversy, pp. 426-7. · "The
people of God, symbolized by a holy
woman and her children, were represented as greatly in the minority.
In the last days only a remnant still existed. Of these John speaks as they
'which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ." E. G. White, Signs of the Times, Nov. 1, 1899, and
Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 972. ·
Does
the Bible say that the bride has sons and daughters and that she will say
something to her daughter?
Isaiah 62
· Verse 11
(above) is actually another version of the Loud Cry message to the 10
virgins. · Is the bride more developed character wise than her
children? · Rev 14:4 These are they
which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which
follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were
redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits
unto God and to the Lamb. · The bride is not defiled with women (fallen church
harlots). She will never KNOWINGLY
be so defiled. · The 144,000 are translated without seeing death. · Only the 144,000 go into the Temple on Mt. Zion. · Is there Biblical evidence for the above 2 points? · Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep [protect] thee
from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the
world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly:
hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy
crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my
God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name
of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which
cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit
saith unto the churches. · A pillar in the Temple is a leader.
Christ is the High Priest, and the bride is the lesser priests such as the
earthly sanctuary had. “By the
decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of
God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from
righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to
grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to
clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold
union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a
Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the
propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time
has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near.” {5T
451.1} “As the approach of the Roman armies was a sign to
the disciples of the impending destruction of Jerusalem, so may this apostasy
be a sign to us that the limit of God's forbearance is reached, that the
measure of our nation's iniquity is full, and that the angel of mercy is
about to take her flight, never to return. The people of God will then be
plunged into those scenes of affliction and distress which prophets have described
as the time of Jacob's trouble. The cries of the faithful, persecuted ones
ascend to heaven. And as the blood of Abel cried from the ground, there are
voices also crying to God from martyrs' graves, from the sepulchers of the
sea, from mountain caverns, from convent vaults: "How long, O Lord, holy
and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood
on them that dwell on the earth?" {5T 451.2} The following quote is
gravely misunderstood and misinterpreted to mean that it is at the time of
the National Sunday Law that we are to flee the church. Is that what happened in the
PREFIGURE? No. Here is what happened: · Faithful Jews, the
disciples being the first, were “gathered out from the apostate church as the
first act of Christ’s ministry in A.D. 27.
Scripture
on Home Churches Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the
word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set
meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all
his house. Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house
of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and
departed. Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain
[man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined
hard to the synagogue. Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house.
Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ. 1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren,
by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among
you. 1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits
of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the
saints,) 1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla
salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. Ellen White on Home Churches When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of
apostasy in the church, what did they do where did they meet for worship? · Christ’s
followers were gathered out of the apostate Jewish church beginning in A.D.
27 and lasting until the autumn of A.D. 66, when they fled to the mountains
of Pella. · The Sunday
Law is the time to leave the cities. This should never be confused with the
time to leave an apostate church. Many
Adventists are confused on this point and some of them quite willfully so. Home
Churches "There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men
and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our
churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this
day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian."
E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5. When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of
apostasy in the church, what did they do where did they meet for worship? "Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of
the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers,
who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing
medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their
experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG
MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough
training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord
has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others
are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905,
Evangelism, p. 108. The above scenario is the prescribed mode for the worship service
of every Seventh-day Adventist church, as admonished in Testimonies, vol. 7.
Notice: "There are times when it is fitting for our ministers
to give on the Sabbath, in our churches, short discourses, full
of the life and love of Christ. But the church members are not to expect a
sermon every Sabbath....Let the church members, during the week, act their
part faithfully, and on the Sabbath relate their experience. The meeting will
then be as meat in due season, bringing to all present new life and fresh
vigor.. When God's people see the great need of
working as Christ worked for the conversion of sinners, the testimonies borne
by them in the Sabbath service will be filled with power. With joy they will
tell of the precious experience they have gained in working for others."
Testimonies, vol. 7, p. 19. 11. Did Christ and all True Christians separate and
flee the apostate church 12. Is the PREFIGURE repeated? 13. Will it be repeated exactly
(literally--according to the PREFIGURE)? 14. "The future was mercifully veiled from the
disciples. Had they at that time fully comprehend the two awful facts--the
Redeemer's sufferings and death, and the destruction of their city and
temple--they would have been overwhelmed with horror. Christ presented before
them an outline of the prominent events to take place before the close of
time. His words were not then fully understood; but their meaning was to be
unfolded as His people should need the instruction therein given. The
prophecy which He uttered was twofold in its meaning; while foreshadowing the
destruction of 15. If 16. Was the destruction of 17. Were there two churches represented in 18. Is Ezekiel 9 LITERALLY fulfilled again? "Study the 9th chapter of
Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet
the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their
souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with
the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who
refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is
short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU
be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided
for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in
Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript
Releases Volume One, p. 260. 19. Does Ezekiel chapters 1-9 give the reason why Ezekiel 9
occurred and will occur again? 20. What are the
abominations of Ezekiel 9, that we are to sigh and
cry for? 21. Will one be sealed
if he/she does not bother to educate him/herself concerning these
abominations? 22. Can one be a
faithful watchman and not show God's people these sins? 23. According to Ellen
White in Desire of Ages, p. 232, true reformers have had to separate from the
church of their fathers in every succeeding generation since Christ. Husbands, you are to be the priest of the
family. Some wives may not agree with
the true message of separation because of friendships and fellowship
acquaintances, but you should not be molded by women who would so lead their
families astray. And the final church
will be lead by women and children—women and children who would rather
celebrate than heed the word of God.
And make no mistake about it, there are men who are like weak women
and would sacrifice the truth to appease their women. You women who would fault me, will only fault God
because He is the one who said it: Isa 3:12 [As
for] my people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over
them. O my people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and destroy the
way of thy paths. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or
brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife [spouse], or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall
receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit
everlasting life. The implication is that those who so do will not
inherit everlasting life, and the prime reason is
that like the rich young ruler, they love something more than Christ and His
cause in heaven and earth. Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or
mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth
son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Friends, it is too late to play church. If you choose your spouse, children,
friend, fellowship, the church, or ANYTHING over God and His truth, just
don’t do any of it! Don’t pay
tithe! Don’t do any of it, because you
are not going to make it. Some play
church and will brag about all the books they distribute to warn the
world. But what will the Lord say to
such ones? Depart from me for I know
you not. For they fall in the same
class of all who claim to do great things for the Lord, while loving
something more than the way, the truth
and the life, Jesus Christ. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord,
Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. What good reason, other than separating from sin so
the wheat can mature, is there for separating? "I saw the nominal church and nominal Adventists, like
Judas, would betray us to the Catholics to obtain their influence to come
against the truth. The saints then will be an obscure [hidden] people, little
known to the Catholics but the churches and nominal Adventists who know of
our faith and customs (for they hate us on account of the Sabbath, for they
could not refute it) will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics
as those who disregard the institutions of the people that is, that they keep
the Sabbath and disregard Sunday. Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a
decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of
the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large,
will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the
image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked
before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear
fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that
Jesus' work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there
is finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the
sins of Israel upon the head of the Scape Goat.
Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues will come
upon the wicked, and they do not come till Jesus puts on that garment, and
takes His place upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are
falling, the Scape Goat is being led away. He makes
a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that leads him.
If he should effect his escape, Israel would lose
their lives. I saw that it would take time to lead away the Scape Goat into the land of forgetfulness after the sins
were put on his head. The great white cloud I saw was not the holy place, but entirely
separate from the holy and most holy place, entirely separate from the
sanctuary. Then the angel repeated these words, and said, 'This is the time spoken
of in Isaiah. He saw that there was not man, and wondered that there was no
intercessor. He had no mediator between God and man, and these plagues could
be withheld no longer, for Jesus had ceased to plead for Israel, and they
were covered with the covering of the Almighty God, and they could live in
the sight of a holy God, and those who were not covered, the plagues fell
upon them, for they had nothing to shelter or protect them from the wrath of
God." E.G. White, Dorchester, Maine, October 23, 1850, Spalding--Magan's Unpublished Mss. Testimonies, pp. 1, 2. Walt, you asked: “That the wheat cannot
"fully" mature among open sinners -- is true, but does such mean
that they cannot grow, even though the growth be
"retarded" (slow)? And if the above be true, is there not
then specified a separation that must at some time, take place? Does EGW say anything on the matter? Is this what she speaks of with the mention
of the church being purified?” Ron responds: I will here deal with the second part of
your question as treated by Scripture specifically. Then I will deal more with specific
separation statements mentioned by Ellen G. White. The following texts demand
separation when and if they are violated by any church: a.
Ezekiel,
chapters 1-9, fulfilled in A.D. 70, demand another coming out of a remnant,
for in each past historic of those chapters either a remnant was preserved or
returned to Jerusalem, eg. the
tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi returned to rebuild the Temple. Expressly, Ezekiel 5:3 mentions a remnant
being saved out of a destroyed church. Ezekiel 9 says that the church will be
destroyed. Naturally, some will be
saved out of that church. b.
Jeremiah
11:9-15, demands a separation in the event of any conspiracy with God’s enemies. Verse 15 commands that God’s beloved bride
has no place in His ONCE church (house). c.
Isaiah
8:9-12 demands non-participation with any Association, counsel, girding and
confederacy with God’s enemies. Babylon
is one of those enemies that He expressly called Adventists out from by
separation via the first and second angel’s messages. The SDA church has defied that command with
ecumenical liaisons. d.
Revelation
14:1-4 demands that the bride of Christ not be defiled with women (fallen
churches). The SDA church has defied
that demand with ecumenical liaisons. e.
Isaiah
37:31, 32 demands another coming out. f.
God’s
line in the sand is Confederacy with those who have turned back to the errors
of their fathers. Jeremiah 11:9, with verse 14 commanding Jeremiah (and us)
to not even pray for such violators. g.
A
call to come out and be separate from sinners is a call to separate from any
church that harbors open sinners to wit: h.
1Pe
2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the
praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: i.
Hbr
7:26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled,
separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Though Christ ministered to sinners, He did
not join in worship and/or communion supper with them. j.
Tts 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might
redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar
people, zealous of good works. k.
2Cr 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I
will receive you, l.
God separated
Lot and His Wife from Sodom. m.
God separated Abraham
from his sinful relatives. n.
God separated
His people from Egypt that they might be free to keep His commandments and
avoid the evil influence of pagans. o.
For further
evidence see this document: https://omega77.tripod.com/Separate
Here is evidence from the Spirit of
Prophecy for separation: A. Another coming out— Another Coming Out: "As reformers they had come out of the
denominational churches, but they now
act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that
there would not be the necessity for another coming out." Ellen G.
White, The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, Vol. 1, p. 356-7. If Ellen White thought that the church NOW ACTED (circa 1888—see
date of statement) similar to the part the churches SDA reformers came out of, what would
she think today? She and the faithful
hoped there would not be another coming out, but again, what would she say
today regarding a church that is so much like the world that little difference
is seen, BUT, the church is in liaison with Babylon’s Associations
(Ministerial Associations), counsels, girdings and
confederacies. B.
Ellen White’s statement that the destruction of
Jerusalem in A.D. 70 was a prefigure, p. 25, The Great Controversy. C.
Ellen White’s statement that Ezekiel 9 would be
literally fulfilled again. D.
Ellen White’s example in the Alpha of Apostasy E.
Ellen White’s statement that the Omega of
Apostasy would develop and wax stronger until Jesus comes. F.
Ellen White’s statement that the SDA church
will be brought down to hell. G.
Ellen White’s statement that the SDA church is
repeating the History of ancient Israel. H.
Ellen White’s Instructor’s statement that the
church is a harlot and it’s refusal to remedy that situation after over 100
years. I.
Ellen White’s statements concerning a
COUNTERPART TO THE JEWS. The only
church that could qualify as a counterpart is some other “chosen people” who
claim to be the remnant and a commandment-keeping people while violating
serious commands of God, just as Israel did. J.
Ellen White’s statement that the church would
form a New Movement that would “remove God.” 1SM 205. K.
Ellen White’s statement that the church is
worse than heathen, graven image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a
better way. L.
Ellen White’s statement that if the church
BECAME Laodicean, it would not stand in any more favor with God than the
fallen churches of Babylon—the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. M.
Ellen White’s statement that if the church did not
clean up the licentious intimacy practices it would become a sister to fallen
Babylon. Not only has the church not
cleaned up those practices, but adulterating ministers are merely removed
from one locality to another IF THEY ARE GOOD AT THEIR JOB—GOOD SALESMEN IN
PROSELYTIZING. N.
Ellen White’s statement that SDA leaders would
instruct the people to keep Sunday when the crunch comes! O.
The church’s violation of Ellen White’s counsel
in general and more seriously her counsel not to marry the church to the world. The church did that in 1930, by accepting
the World’s Accreditation Standards, whereby it must teach the world’s
criteria (curriculum) in all its educational facilities. Satan himself could not construct a better
plan to marry the church’s youth to the world! Ellen White said that the church would
become a cage of every unclean and hateful bird if it married itself to the
world! P.
Ellen White’s statement that SDA campmeetings would bring in every uncouth thing JUST
BEFORE PROBATION CLOSES! No time for
reformation of character then! Q.
Ellen White’s statement that SDA are EXACTLY
repeating the history of the apostate Jews. R.
Ellen White’s statement that if Christ came
today He would have to do a similar work as He did among the Jews! What did He do then? He separated from
them. S.
Ellen White’s statement that Jesus gathered out
those who would take the gospel to the world, DA 232. T.
Ellen White’s statement quoting Jeremiah 11:14,
in application to SDAs. U.
Ellen White’s statement that SDA leaders were
“dumb dog watchmen (Isa. 56:10-12) who would NEVER AGAIN show the house of
Jacob its sins. 5T 211. V.
Ellen White’s statement that the Laodicean
state of the church is the foolish virgin state. The foolish virgins are not reformed. They
are lost. W. Ellen
White’s admonition in the Alpha of Apostasy, that
Haskell take the youth as far away from the church as possible. What would the Omega demand? X.
Ellen White’s statement that the Omega would
develop and wax stronger until Jesus comes—combined with her linked Omega
statement that the church would remove God. Y.
Ellen White’s UNCONDITIONAL statement that the
leaders of the church would change leaders and know it not. Z.
Ellen White’s prophecy that the last message of
the three angel’s would not be committed to the
leaders of the church because they had failed to give it and thus betrayed
it.
The 1884 Great Controversy, "I then saw the THIRD ANGEL. Said my
accompanying angel, 'Fearful is his work. Awful is his mission. He is the
angel that is to select the wheat from the tares, and seal, or bind, the
wheat for the heavenly garner." E.G. White, Early Writings, 118. "The
angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class
of faithful men, who obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the
teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth.
This message WAS NOT to be committed to the religious leaders of the
people. They had failed to preserve
their connection with God, and had refused the light from Heaven; therefore
they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: ‘But ye, brethren,
are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the
children of the day; we are not of the night nor of
darkness. The
watchmen upon THE WALLS OF ZION should be the first to catch the tidings of
the Saviour’s advent, the first to lift their
voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the
people to prepare for his coming. But
they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep
in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH
like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of
precious fruit. There was a BOASTFUL
observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility,
penitence and faith—which alone could render the service acceptable to
God—was lacking. Instead of the graces
of the Spirit, there were manifested pride,
formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A backsliding church closed their eyes to
the signs of the times. God did not
forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail; but they DEPARTED FROM HIM,
and SEPARATED themselves from His love. As they REFUSED to comply with the
conditions, his promises WERE NOT fulfilled to them. Love
for Christ and faith in his coming waxed cold. Such is the sure result of neglect to
appreciate and improve the light and privileges which God bestows… Obedience
requires a sacrifice and involves a cross; and this is why so many of the
professed followers of Christ REFUSED to receive the light from Heaven, and
like the Jews of old, knew not the time of their visitation. Because of their pride and unbelief, the
Lord passed them by, and revealed his truth to men in humble life, who had
given heed to all the light they had received.”" E. G. White, The Spirit
of Prophecy, vol. 4, 199, 200. (Not to be confused with Testimonies, Vol.
4. Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, is the
1884 edition of The Great Controversy. Try
to find the above statement in the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy! Especially
in light of the fact that Ellen White said that she would not change a word
of that book! I
have exhausted the alphabet in lettering the evidences of Ellen White
concerning statements that state and/or imply a need for another
separation. But Scripture demands
it! Though I have exhausted the
alphabet in lettering the example I have, I certainly have not exhausted the
evidence, but if one will not accept the above evidence, they will not accept
any evidence even though an angel should be raised from the dead in front of
them. And finally, Walt, the last portion of the third
part of your question: “And if the above be true, is there not
then specified a separation that must at some time, take place? Does EGW say anything on the matter? Is
this what she speaks of with the mention of the church being purified?”
How was the church purged and purified in
that PREFIGURE TYPE. Part of the Bible
evidence I neglected to cite is Ezekiel 22:17-31, where he tells exactly
where the dross (tares) are gathered and burned—INTO THE MIDSTS OF JERUSALEM,
just as in the PREFIGURE TYPE IN A.D. 70. You know something interesting folk, a
lot of people have been greatly interested in this message at first, then like the stony ground hearers, when it does not sell
well to their friends and relatives in the church, they become weary and
scratch it. That is a shame in view of all the truth
they are abandoning and in light of their loss of eternal life in exchange
for the simple reasons they finally reject truth. It is all like those who heard Jesus’
sermon on the Mount, and walked away saying “This is too hard an saying.” All who
are saved are going to have to drink of the cup of trial and testing of their
faith. This is not a popular message! God bless, Ron Beaulieu P.S.
If I have mentioned something Ellen White said but did not give the
statement or the reference, feel free to ask and I will oblige you. |