What the SDA Pioneers Believed on the Godhead

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Dear Reader,

It has been contested that none of the SDA Pioneers believed and taught as I do on the Godhead. That is not true. Ellen White was a Pioneer. Loughborough was a Pioneer. E.J. Waggoner was an SDA Pioneer. Notice what these person taught in the following document.

Also, an SDA First Elder in the Canadian University College Church, by the name of J. Wilfred Johnson, taught for decades the very same thing I teach on the Godhead. A multi-millionaire friend of Wilfred Johnson by the name of John Wells, had Mr. Johnson's teachings transcribed from tape to book form, and Mr. Wells has distributed Mr. Johnson's teachings worldwide, free of charge, as a Missionary Project.

Note what some of the Adventist Pioneers have to say concerning the Spirit.

"The Spirit of God is spoken of in the Scriptures as God's representative - the power by which He works, the agency by which all things are upheld. This is clearly expressed by the Psalmist. (Ps. 139:7-10) We learn from this language that when we speak of the Spirit of God we are really speaking of His presence and power" R&H, Sept. 13, 1898, J.N. Loughborough.

"Finally, we know the Divine unity of the Father and the Son from the fact that both have the same Spirit. Paul, after saying that they that are in the flesh cannot please God, continues, 'But we are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His' Romans 8:9. Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ" E.G. Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness, p.23, 1892.

You say that my teachings were not taught by the pioneers, but yours are. What a sham! E.G. Waggoner taught exactly what I teach--that the Father and the Son both have the same Spirit. Loughborough taught that the Father and the Spirit are speaking of the same thing. Thus, when we pray to the Father, we pray to His Holy Spirit. Ellen White was a pioneer. What did she do?

Did Ellen White Pray to the Holy Spirit?--Should We?

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Dear Reader,

Martin Eldon has posed the question to me: "Do you pray to the Holy Spirit?" I answer your question Martin, by saying yes, I pray to the Holy Spirit, just as Ellen White did in the following statement:

"Here is where the work of the Holy Ghost comes in, after your baptism. You are baptized in the nave of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. You are raised up out of the water to live henceforth in newness of life--to live a new life. You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the three holiest beings in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling. You are to reveal that you are dead to sin; your life is hid with Christ in God. Hidden 'with Christ in God,'--wonderful transformation. This is a most precious promise. When I feel oppressed, and hardly know how to relate myself toward the work that God has given me to do, I just call upon the three great Worthies, and say; You know I cannot do this work in my own strength. You must work in me, and by me and through me, sanctifying my tongue, sanctifying my spirit, sanctifying my words, and bringing me into a position where my spirit shall be susceptible to the movings of the Holy Spirit of God upon my mind and character." E.G. White Manuscript Releases Volume Seven, p. 267.

A "Being" is a person. Ellen White believed in three holiest Beings in heaven. Calling upon the three great worthies is praying to them, supplicating them, talking to them. She could not call upon a Being that was not a person.

The above statement makes mention of the Holy Spirit of God. The following statement mentions the Holy Spirit of Christ:

"Christ breathed upon his disciples, and said, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." Christ is represented by His Holy Spirit today in every part of his great moral vineyard. He will give the inspiration of his Holy Spirit to all those who are of a contrite spirit. Let there be more dependence upon the efficiency of the Holy Spirit=, and far less upon human agencies. I am sorry to say that at least some have not given evidence that they have learned the lesson of meekness and lowliness in the school of Christ. They do not abide in Christ, they have no vital connection with him. They are not directed by the wisdom of Christ, through the impartation of His Holy Spirit. Then I ask you, how can we regard these men as faultless in judgment? They may be in responsible positions, but they are living separated from Christ. They have not the mind of Christ, and do not learn daily of his. Yet in some cases their judgment is trusted, and their counsel is regarded as the wisdom of God. When human agents choose the will of God, and are conformed to the character of Christ, Jesus acts through their organs and faculties." E.G. White, Special Testimonies to Ministers and Workers, No. 3, p. 48.

Ron Beaulieu

What follows is an internet chat group exchange between Ron Beaulieu and a man named Mickey. Mickey is an apostate Adventist, who teaches that Ellen White is a false prophet and of the devil:
----- Original Message -----
From: Mickey
To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Who Should we Pray to?
This is total babaloney! Ron states that when we pray to God we are automatically praying to all three gods! The Scriptures that Ron cites surely don't say that. Ron's teaching is a direct contradiction of the words of Christ who gave us a model prayer which is to pray to the FATHER. We are to thank the FATHER for HIS mercy, we are to pray for the FATHER'S will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, we are to acknowledge that the kingdom and the power and the glory belong to the FATHER -- not to three co-equal deities. Ron, your theology is quintessentially PAGAN!
Mickey


Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net> wrote:
Forum,
Since there is ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT, and the Father and the Son have that ONE HOLY SPIRIT in common, we automatically pray to all three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, WHENEVER WE PRAY. Christ is our intercessor, our Mediator. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit intercedes for us. They are one and the same Spirit, but two different persons. This is another proof of my scenario on the Godhead. The Holy Spirit life and soul that the Son laid aside for us at His Incarnation, also makes intercession for us as does Christ.
Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.


Although I do not endorse the Trinity doctrine, the following is interesting as regards who we are to pray to. I have substituted the word Trinity with Heavenly Trio. I retrieved the following article from the Internet:

Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Who do we pray to, the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit?
If the heavenly trio is true that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all the one God, then is it not possible that we can pray to each of the members of the heavenly trio? Or, should we only pray to the Father, or only pray to "God"? Jesus told us to pray to the Father in Matt. 6:9 when He said, "Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name." What is the proper method of prayer?
We can answer this question when we realize that God Himself is worthy of prayer and God is a
Heavenly Trio of persons. Therefore, it would seem fair to say that we can pray to each member of the Godhead.
Jesus said in
John 14:14, "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it." Therefore, it would seem safe to say that we can pray to Jesus and ask Him to answer our prayers. Also, we can see further confirmation of this by looking at the phrase, "call upon the name of the Lord." In the Old Testament that phrase is used only of God and it includes the meaning of worship, adoration, and prayer. Psalm 116:4 says, "Then I called upon the name of the Lord: 'O Lord, I beseech Thee, save my life!'" What is interesting is that this phrase is applied to Jesus in 1 Cor. 1:2, "to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." Paul obviously knew the significance of the phrase, which included prayerful appeal, and applied it to Jesus.
In
1 Cor. 1:9 it says, "God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord." The word "fellowship" is the Greek word "koinonia" which is also translated as the word "communion." 1 Cor. 1:9 says that we are to have an intimate fellowship with Jesus. That is fine. But, how can we have fellowship with someone we never talk to? Therefore, this verse can also be used to support the idea of praying to Jesus.
If it is okay to pray to the Father, and the Son, is it alright to pray to the Holy Spirit? The answer would be yes because the Holy Spirit is also God. Nevertheless, we never see an instance in the Bible where anyone prays to the Holy Spirit? Why is that? The answer is that the Holy Spirit does not bear witness of Himself. He bears witness of the Son (
John 15:26). But still, we can pray to the Spirit because we are also called into fellowship with the Spirit. 2 Cor. 13:14 says, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
Finally, we can simply pray to God. We can address God, the Lord, in our prayers and as you feel led, address the members of the heavenly trio.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mickey
To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Who Should we Pray to?
Who do we pray to, the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit?
Simple! We do as Yahshua tells us. We pray to our heavenly Father and we petition Him in the name of His Son. So simple, huh?
Sincerely,
Mickey