How to Respond to Lies SDA Leaders Have Taught Since Ellen White’s Demise

 

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Ever since the death of Ellen White in 1915, SDA leaders have misinterpreted and misrepresented her statements to favor the church no matter what it does. This practice will lead millions of surface reading Adventists into Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and little children, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211 and Ezekiel 9:6. Here are correct responses to the lying misrepresentations of Ellen White’s statements.

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:14 PM

Subject: Fw: [AdventistHotIssues] by the words of truth the chaff was being separated for the wheat.............

 

Are the wheat separated from the tares ONLY AT THE END-TIME? NOT ACCORDING TO ELLEN WHITE'S STATEMENT LYNN QUOTES BELOW! THANK YOU LYNN.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynn MacDonald

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:08 AM

Subject: [AdventistHotIssues] by the words of truth the chaff was being separated for the wheat.............

 

 

Dear Forum,

 

These are sobering words from the Desire of Ages chapter "The Crisis in Galilee":

 

Page 392

 

" 'Whose fan is in His hand, and He will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the DDner.' Matt. 3:12

This was one of the times of purging. By the words of truth, the chaff was being separated from the wheat. Because they were too vain and self-righteous to receive reproof, too world-loving to accept a life of humility, many turned away from Jesus. Many are still doing the same thing. Souls are tested today as were those disciples in the synagogue at Capernaum. When truth is brought home to the heart, they see the need of an entire change in themselves; but they are not willing to take up the self-denying work. Therefore they are angry when their sins are discovered. They go away offended, even as the disciples left Jesus, murmuring, 'This is an hard saying' who can hear it?'

Praise and flattery would be pleasing to their ears; but the truth is unwelcome; they cannot hear it. When the crowds follow, and the multitudes are fed, and the shouts of triumph are heard, their voices are loud in praise; but when the searching of God's Spirit reveals their sin, and bids them leave it, they turn their backs upon the truth, and walk no more with Jesus."

 

These words help destroy the idea that SDA's feel you have to stay with the church to the end,as they believe only at the end the wheat will be separated from the tares!

 

Blessings to all,

Lynn

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Fw: The prophecy on Egypt now comes to fruition

 

Amen Adam.

 

Also, consider these statements. Ellen White said God WILL, NOT MIGHT, remove His prospering hand from the General Conference. Those blind dumb-dogs lead us right into a NEW MOVEMENT that has removed God. Satan knew we would not join another new movement OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH, so he came in and formed one "AMONG" WITHIN the church. And he began that new movement by coming in among us A LONG TIME AGO.

 

PH086 - Special Testimony to Battle Creek Church (1898)

The Lord Jesus demands that every soul make a reality of truth. Show that you believe that you are not half with Christ and half with the world. Of all such Christ says, "I would thou wert cold or hot. So then, because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth." He who appreciates the love of Christ, will be an earnest worker with Christ to bring other souls as sheaves to the Master. Thorough work is always done by all who are connected with Christ. They bear fruit to his glory. But indolence and carelessness and frivolity separate the soul from Christ, and Satan comes in to work his will with the poor worldly subject, We have a great truth, but through careless indifference the truth has lost its force upon us. Satan has come in with his specious temptations, and has led the professed followers of Christ away from their Leader, classing them with the foolish virgins. {PH086 23.2}

 

"Worldly policy is taking the place of true piety and wisdom that comes from above, and God will remove His prospering hand from the conference. Shall the ark of the covenant be removed from this people? Shall idols be smuggled in? Shall false principles and false precepts be brought into the sanctuary? Shall antichrist be respected? Shall the true doctrines and principles given us of God, which have made us what we are, be ignored? This is directly where the enemy, through blinded, unconsecrated men, is leading us." E. G. White, Manuscript 29, 1890.

 

"The Bible Prophets Wrote for Our Time.--Never are we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of the ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that their prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which things the angels desire to look into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 3, p. 338.

 

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeff Pippenger and his 911 'theory'

 

Jeff Pippenger would have all remain in the church. He, like DD and the dumb-dog leaders believe all the bad is shaken out of the new movement church. One of my wife's sisters and her husband believe him because they want to remain in the church.

 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Adam Golebiewski

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:58 AM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Jeff Pippenger and his 911 'theory'

 

 

Dears,

 

do you know Jeff Pippenger? What do you think about his lectures?

 

I read about his September 11 2001 theory and now I can watch as he speaks about it:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdS1mrSUyXA - 3 minutes long

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klw_oJ2qMPk - 4 minutes long

 

What is your opinion on that issue? Do you agree with him?

 

Adam

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; adam Golebiewski

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

Adam,

 

DD has vacillated 9 times over the last ten years in agreeing with me and then disavowing and attributing what I teach to Satan. Ellen White says that is unpardonable sin.

 

A huge part of his vacillating was due to others who chided him saying he let Ron Beaulieu think for him and they he could not think for himself. That is Satan's tactic. He wanted to prove that he could think for himself. But he never succeeded in doing even that, for he regularly quotes the errors of many others such as Ulicia Unruh, A. Leroy Moore's (polar choossing what one prefers over interpreting all so that nothing contradicts), Karl Wagner, Doug Batchelor and the dumb-dog leaders who will NEVER AGAIN show the HOUSE OF JACOB its sins. Isaiah 56:10-12 and 5T 211.

 

Ron

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Adam Golebiewski

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:58 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

 

DD,

 

before I had met Ron in internet and before I had read his statements, I had similar thoughts on many things he is writing about on his website. I'm really honest with you, DD.

 

Adam 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

You have been confused by Ron Beaulieu--and now even take issue with the plain utterance of Ellen White like he does.


DD



On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Adam Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:

 

DD,

 

Of course you're right. Absolutely. She's talking about the organized Church by the Holy Spirit and not by the human beings. I just would like to know where the Bible talks about 4 or 5 years of presidency or about democratic voting (and about winning by the majority of votes). I'm reading in my Bible about casting the lots and not about voting in democratic manner.

 

Adam

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 5:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

 

Please don 't be so deceived! She was talking about the organized Church of course. How can people be so deceived in to thinking she was not??????

 

 

DD

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Adam Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:

 

DD,

 

how do you think what church was she writing about? About the Seventh-Day Adventist Church as an organized body as an (religious) institution or maybe about the true Remnant?

 

Don't narrow down the word 'church' only to the SDA Church, please.

 

Adam

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

 

The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out--the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.--2SM 380 (1886).  {LDE 180.5} 

 

 

DD

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Adam Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:

 

Is this not happening right now? I mean the ministry of Jeremiah. Many say that our contemporary Jerusalem will not fall....

 

Adam

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com ; Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:27 AM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah

 

"Jeremiah's ministry prompted naysayers to plot against him. Even the people from his hometown sought to kill him, from Anathoth, where his father was from. (Jer.11) In further attempts to counter Jeremiah’s proclamation of Jerusalem’s destruction, false prophets came to declare just the opposite of his ministry. These false prophets announced that Jerusalem would not be destroyed and that they needn’t worry about war or famine. On the contrary, Jeremiah was to announce their doom and anyone who listened to these false prophets. (Jer.14) Only by decreeing God’s name and repenting would anyone have a chance to be restored back to the land of their forefathers.[38] It had to be made known who God really was and his name. (Jer.16) God had also reassured Jeremiah that his persecutors would be put to shame. (Jer.17)

Physical persecution started when the priest, Pashur ben Immer, a temple official, sought out Jeremiah to have him beaten and put him in the stocks at the Upper Gate of Benjamin for a day. Needless to say, Pashur, his family and friend’s fate were sealed. Jeremiah specifically prophesied that they would be exiled to Babylon where they would all perish. (Jeremiah 20:1-6) The physical and mental persecution that Jeremiah underwent everyday became so heavy that at one point he felt God had deceived him. However, his ministry burned inside him with such great fire that he persisted to the letter. (Jeremiah 20:7-13)"

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; adam Golebiewski

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

Adam,

 

DD has vacillated 9 times over the last ten years in agreeing with me and then disavowing and attributing what I teach to Satan. Ellen White says that is unpardonable sin.

 

A huge part of his vacillating was due to others who chided him saying he let Ron Beaulieu think for him and they he could not think for himself. That is Satan's tactic. He wanted to prove that he could think for himself. But he never succeeded in doing even that, for he regularly quotes the errors of many others such as Ulicia Unruh, A. Leroy Moore's (polar choossing what one prefers over interpreting all so that nothing contradicts), Karl Wagner, Doug Batchelor and the dumb-dog leaders who will NEVER AGAIN show the HOUSE OF JACOB its sins. Isaiah 56:10-12 and 5T 211.

 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

Amen Adam, DD narrows down Ellen White's statements to the new movement church. He says the bad will be shaking out of that apostate church. God says that the bad will be shaken out of Zion, the church triumphant via Ellen White and Ezekiel 20:34-38, to wit: 

 34And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

 35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

 36Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.

 37And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

 38And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.  Ezekiel 20:34-38.

The remnant, Zion, the bride of Christ, is gathered out from the apostate people, just as the disciples as the bride (DA 179) was gathered out by Christ as the first act of His ministry in A.D. 27. DA 232.

The true remnant, the final generation, the 144,000, are brought into the bond of the covenant. And all rebels are purged out of God's kingdom (Matthew 13:44 and on) by Zion, the bride of Christ, when she gives the Loud Cry "Behold the Bridegroom cometh, Go ye Out to Meet Him," Christ's Object Lessons, pp. 405-406, to wit:

"Lingering near [not at] the bride's house are ten young women robed in white. Each carries a lighted lamp and a small flagon for oil. All are anxiously watching for the appearance of the bridegroom. But there is a delay [since 1844]. Hour after hour passes the watchers become weary and fall asleep. At midnight the cry is heard, 'Behold, the bridegroom cometh go ye out to meet him.' The sleepers [all ten slept Matt. 25:5], suddenly awaking, spring to their feet. They see the procession moving on, bright with torches and glad with music.  They hear the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride.  The ten maidens seize their lamps and begin to trim them, in haste to go forth, But five have neglected to fill their flasks with oil [character]. They did not anticipate so long a delay, and they have not prepared for the emergence." E. G. White, Christ's Object Lessons,  pp. 405, 406.

 

The ten virgins bridesmaidens (people of the church) GC 426, 427, are guests at the wedding. If guests, they cannot be the bride, to wit:

 

"The marriage represents the reception by Christ of His kingdom. The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the capital and REPRESENTATIVE of the kingdom, is called 'the bride, the Lamb's wife.' ...Clearly, then, the bride REPRESENTS [speaks on behalf of] the Holy City, and the [ten] virgins that go out to meet the bridegroom are a symbol of the church [militant body consisting of wheat and tares, wise and foolish, while the bride is the representative of the "invisible" church triumphant on earth and the heavenly kingdom church of Hebrews 12:22, 23]. In the Revelation the people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper. Revelation 19:9. If guests, they cannot be represented also as the bride. Christ, as stated by the prophet Daniel, will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven, 'dominion, and glory, and a kingdom' He will receive the NEW JERUSALEM, the capital of His kingdom, 'prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.'" E. G. White, The Great Controversy, 426, 427, the 1911 Edition.  

 

Ron

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

DD has been confused by Ulicia Unruh, who convinced him of the preterist lie that Ezekiel 5 and 9 were fulfilled under the Babylonian CAPTIVITIES of the Jews by Nebuchadnezzar in three different sieges upon Jerusalem. The Jews were not slaughtered. They were taken CAPTIVE FOR 70 YEARS. That is Bible. Being taken captive as a punishment from God that they might see the error of their ways and repent and reform, is a far flight from the Ezekiel 9 marking (sealing) by the man in linen after the 490 years of their probation was over in A.D. 34.

 

Ulicia Unruh interprets EVERY QUOTE DD presents just as he does. She is an SDA minister's wife, and we can expect nothing more from such a source--dumb dogs that cannot understand, Isaiah 56:10-12 and 5T 211.

 

Ulicia Unruh has been a HUGE FACTOR in mentoring DD Z. She is his Jezebel.

 

Ron

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed

 

It was a SMALL GROUP OF MEN who formed a new movement "AMONG" Seventh-day Adventists. Ellen White said the General Conference was no more the voice of God.

 

THE GENERAL CONFERENCE NO LONGER THE VOICE OF GOD

 

     "The People Have Lost Confidence--It is working upon wrong principles that has brought the cause of God into its present embarrassment.  The people have lost confidence in those who have the management of the work.  Yet we hear that the voice of the Conference is the voice of God.  Every time I have heard this, I have thought it was almost blasphemy.  The voice of the Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not, because some in connection with it are not men of faith and prayer, they are not men of elevated principle.  There is not a seeking of God with the whole heart; there is not a realization of the terrible responsibility that rests upon those in this institution to mold and fashion minds after the divine similitude."--Manuscript 37, 1901, p. 8 (April, 1901, Talk by Mrs. E. G. White in the Review Chapel reDDding the Southern work). {ChL 20.4-21}

 

Notice the important QUALIFYING WORDS IN EACH OF THE QUOTES DD PRESENTS:

 

     I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.--2SM 397 (1908).  {LDE 55.3} 

 

Ellen White said that it is the 144,000 BRIDE, that stands PERFECTLY UNITED to the end of time.

 

     "By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. Word to the Little Flock, pp. 14, 15.
 
     At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God's work, I have said that I could no longer reDDd the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected.  {LDE 55.4} 

 

General Conference no longer the voice of God

 

Ellen White said she thought it was almost blasphemy to call the GC the voice of God.

 

     “The People Have Lost Confidence--It is working upon wrong principles that has brought the cause of God into its present embarrassment.  The people have lost confidence in those who have the management of the work.  Yet we hear that the voice of the Conference is the voice of God.  Every time I have heard this, I have thought it was almost blasphemy.  The voice of the Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not, because some in connection with it are not men of faith and prayer, they are not men of elevated principle.  There is not a seeking of God with the whole heart; there is not a realization of the terrible responsibility that rests upon those in this institution to mold and fashion minds after the divine similitude.”--Manuscript 37, 1901, p. 8 (April, 1901, Talk by Mrs. E. G. White in the Review Chapel reDDding the Southern work). {ChL 20.4}

 

     God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disreDDding and despising, for he who does this despises the voice of God.--AA 164 (1911).  {LDE 56.2}

 

God's church is the one that is called DIRECTLY BY GOD:

 

"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151.

 

"The members of the church triumphant--the church in heaven--will be permitted to draw near to the members of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity." E. G. White, The Southern Watchman, Sep. 8, 1903.


 
     I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding
His people and that He will continue to be with them, even to the end.--2SM 406 (1913). [FROM ELLEN WHITE'S FINAL MESSAGE TO THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH IN GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION. THESE REASSURING WORDS WERE READ TO THE SESSION BY THE GENERAL CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, A. G. DANIELLS, ON MAY 27, 1913.]  {LDE 56.3}

 

God's people keep his commandments. They do not form a new movement that removes Him. They do not instruct parents of children to send their children to school on Sabbath, breaking the Sabbath TEST EVEN BEFORE THE SUNDAY LAW in Russia.
 
                    A Statement by W. C. White

     I TOLD HER [MRS. LIDA SCOTT] HOW MOTHER REDDDED
THE EXPERIENCE OF THE REMNANT CHURCH, AND OF HER POSITIVE TEACHING THAT GOD WOULD NOT PERMIT THIS DENOMINATION TO SO FULLY APOSTATIZE THAT THERE WOULD BE THE COMING OUT OF ANOTHER CHURCH.--W. C. White to E. E. Andross, May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File.  {LDE 56.4}

 

Let's see whom Ellen White defines as the REMNANT:

 

 "The woman is a symbol of the church, and the remnant of the church represents the Christians of the last generation of men, living just prior to the second advent. The dragon makes war on these for keeping the commandments of God, Sabbath and all, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ, which, according to the inspired definition of chap. xix, 10, 'is the spirit of prophecy.' Here, then, are the causes of the dragon's warfare upon the remnant. They teach the observance of the ten commandments, and the revival of the gifts, and acknowledge the gift of prophecy among them. When the Devil got one foot upon the fourth commandment, and the other upon the gifts planted in the Christian church by Jesus Christ, then his satanic majesty was filled with revengeful delight. But when the remnant, whom God designs to fit for translation to Heaven without seeing death, 'ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein,' then the dragon is wroth, and makes war on them.

 

"The true spirit of the dragonic host, which is already being somewhat developed, is vividly described in Isa. xxx, 8-13, as being manifested just prior to the sudden destruction of those who hate the pure testimony, and love smooth and deceitful things." E. G. White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. III, 26, 27.


So the remnant keeps the commandments of God,
Sabbath and all, and has the testimony of Jesus Christ, the Spirit of Prophecy. The REMNANT is translated without seeing death. THAT IS THE EXPERIENCE OF THE REMNANT CHURCH. Their will NEVER be another SDA church than the one that was formed under the principles of the true SDA pioneers in 1844.

 

God's Word says that a remnant will go forth OUT OF JERUSALEM, Isaiah 37:31, 32. Ellen White said those words were written more for us than the Jews. Proof absolute that these words apply to the remnant at the end is because they describe EXACTLY what occurred in the last literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 from A.D. 27-70, when Jesus "gathered out" those who would give the gospel (His disciples) in A.D. 27, Desire of Ages, 232, and the disciples then gathered out the faithful who accepted Christ, into home churches, from  A.D. 34 and on until A.D. 66, when all true Christians fled to Pella in the land of Perea to avoid the Ezekiel 9 destruction of the apostate church.

 

The new movement formed "AMONG" that church does not even qualify as a church because it has removed God, 1SM 205, and only His presence can constitute a church, The Upward Look, 315.

 

If Willie White's statement is true, then Ellen White's following statement would not be true. How could God possibly "CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS PRINCIPLE" if He knew that the church would not apostatize to the point that there would not be another coming out?


"The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.
God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131.

 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:39 AM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed

 

 

Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed


     We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.--2SM 390 (1905).  {LDE 55.2}

  

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed

 

The new movement prophesied in Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-205 stepped off the foundation that God established and removed God (p. 205). There is only one other leader, Satan.

 

The only people on earth who will stand PERFECTLY UNITED is the 144,000.

 

     "By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name. [REV. 3:12.] At our happy, holy state the wicked
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were enraged, and would rush violently up to lay hands on us to thrust us in prison, when we would stretch forth the hand in the name of the Lord, and the wicked would fall helpless to the ground. Then it was that the synagogue of Satan knew that God had loved us who could wash one another's feet, and salute the holy brethren with a holy kiss, and they worshipped at our feet. [REV. 3:9.] Soon our eyes were drawn to the East, for a small black cloud had appeared about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the Sign of the Son of Man. [MAT. 24:30.] We all in solemn silence gazed on the cloud as it drew nearer, lighter, and brighter, glorious, and still more glorious, till it was a great white cloud. [REV. 14:14.] The bottom appeared like fire, a rainbow was over it, around the cloud were ten thousand angels singing a most lovely song. And on it sat the Son of Man, [LUKE 21:27.] on his head were crowns, [REV. 19:12.] his hair was white and curly and lay on his shoulders. [REV. 1:14.] His feet had the appearance of fire, [REV. 1:15.] in his right hand was a sharp sickle, [REV. 14:14.] in his left a silver trumpet. [THESS. 4:16.] His eyes were as a flame of fire, [REV. 1:14.] which searched his children through and through. Then all faces gathered paleness, and those that God had rejected gathered blackness. Then we all cried out, who shall be able to stand? Is my robe spotless? Then the angels ceased to sing, and there was some time of awful silence, [REV. 8:1.] when Jesus spoke. Those who have clean hands and a pure heart shall be able to stand, my grace is sufficient for you. At this, our faces lighted up, and joy filled every heart. And the angels struck a note higher and sung again while the cloud drew still nearer the earth. Then Jesus' silver trumpet sounded, as he descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire [2 THESS. 1:7,8] He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised his eyes and hands to heaven and cried out, [JOHN 5:25.] Awake! Awake! Awake! ye that sleep in the dust, and arise. Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, Hallelujah! as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. [THESS. 4:17.] We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought along the crowns and with his own right hand placed them on our heads. [2 ESDRAS 2:43.] He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory. [REV. 15:2. REV. 7:9.] Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet. [REV. 7:9.] Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the City. Jesus raised his mighty glorious arm, laid hold of the gate and swung it back on its golden hinges, and said to us, You have washed your robes in my blood, stood stifly for my truth, enter in. [ISA. 26:2.] We all marched in and felt we had a perfect right in the City. Here we saw the tree of life, and the throne of God. Out of the throne came a pure river of water, and on either side of the river was the tree of life. [REV. 22; 1,2.] On one side of the river was a trunk of a tree and a trunk on the other side of the river, both of pure transparent gold." Word to the Little Flock, pp. 14, 15.



----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:39 AM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed

 

 

Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed


     We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.--2SM 390 (1905).  {LDE 55.2}
 
     I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.--2SM 397 (1908).  {LDE 55.3}
 
     At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God's work, I have said that I could no longer reDDd the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected.  {LDE 55.4} 

     God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work.--9T 260, 261 (1909).  {LDE 56.1} 
     God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disreDDding and despising, for he who does this despises the voice of God.--AA 164 (1911).  {LDE 56.2}
 
     I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding His people and that He will continue to be with them, even to the end.--2SM 406 (1913). [FROM ELLEN WHITE'S FINAL MESSAGE TO THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH IN GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION. THESE REASSURING WORDS WERE READ TO THE SESSION BY THE GENERAL CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, A. G. DANIELLS, ON MAY 27, 1913.]  {LDE 56.3}
 
                    A Statement by W. C. White

     I TOLD HER [MRS. LIDA SCOTT] HOW MOTHER REDDDED THE EXPERIENCE OF THE REMNANT CHURCH, AND OF HER POSITIVE TEACHING THAT GOD WOULD NOT PERMIT THIS DENOMINATION TO SO FULLY APOSTATIZE THAT THERE WOULD BE THE COMING OUT OF ANOTHER CHURCH.--W. C. White to E. E. Andross, May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File.  {LDE 56.4}


DD

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] God Will Set Everything in Order

 

God set everything in order in the last literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, which was a PREFIGURE of how He will set everything in order in the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. There is NOTHING in Scripture or Ellen White to suggest that God will change the apostate church--rather Ellen White says it allowed nothing to stand in its way, and that the apostles said it would be so bad we are not to pray for it.

 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:37 AM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] God Will Set Everything in Order

 

 

God Will Set Everything in Order


     There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the work God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port.--2SM 390 (1892).  {LDE 52.1} 

     Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective members, that there are tares amid the wheat. . . . Although there are evils existing in the church, and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church, enfeebled and defective, needing to be reproved, warned, and counseled, is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme reDDd.--TM 45, 49 (1893).  {LDE 52.2}
 
     The bulwarks of Satan will never triumph. Victory will attend the third angel's message. As the Captain of the Lord's host tore down the walls of Jericho, so will the Lord's commandment-keeping people triumph, and all opposing elements be defeated.--TM 410 (1898).  {LDE 52.3} 


DD

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:41 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

The disciples were the bride of Christ, Desire of Ages, 179. They were:

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day 


     You will take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the shaking among God's people, and you will talk of a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy. . . . Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them, we would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has ever been witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan wants.--1SM 179 (1890).  {LDE 51.1} 

     The Lord has not given you a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out of her. All the reasons you may present cannot have weight with me on this subject, because the Lord has given me decided light that is opposed to such a message. . . .  {LDE 51.2} 

     I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.--2SM 63, 68, 69 (1893).  {LDE 51.3}
 
     I tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will work. . . . When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God's commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.--3SM 17, 18 (1893).  {LDE 51.4}

DD

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DD

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

 

The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out--the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.--2SM 380 (1886).  {LDE 180.5} 


DD

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

She was speaking of Zion, the bride of Christ. That is clear. And the bride is not the guests and the guests are not the bride, GC 426, 427.

 

Ron


 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:28 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day

 

Adam,

 

Yes, you are correct. It happens all the time on this forum and from the leadership of the new movement. They do not even know God's definition of Zion, the bride that is married, Isaiah 62:1-5. Of course she remains and it is by and from her that the rebels are sifted out of the Kingdom of God, (See Ezekiel 20:34-38 and Matthew 13:44 and on).

 

The obfuscations of the apostate church MEMBERS reDDding these truths is a terrible ordeal and the peace and safety lovers hate it because it is terrible. They want everything to be quiet and peaceful. That would be wonderful, but the foolish virgins teach falsities that must be met.

 

Ron

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Adam Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:

 

Is this not happening right now? I mean the ministry of Jeremiah. Many say that our contemporary Jerusalem will not fall....

 

Adam