The 1260, 1290 and 1335 Days

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Daniel 12 and Revelation 13:5,

The Jubilee and the Day of Atonement

 

“The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai and the Hiddekel, the great rivers of Shinar, are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass.” {TM 112.3, 113}

 

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Brother Paulo’s native tongue is Portuguese. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Some Clear Evidence Considerations

 

Brother Paulo wrote:

 

"Dear Brother Ron,

Thank you for your explanation of this important prophecy. Thank you Jesus for this knowledge. May we correspond to the height of preparation to stand up in this hour of tribulation.

I'd like to formulate some questions:

I readed in the chapter 39 - The time of trouble - that Satan will counterfeit the came of Jesus. In the context of the chapter it seems that this counterfeit will be after the end of probation. Lou Munilla says that this counterfeit could be before the end of probation because after probation nobody among the people of God would be deceived because they will be sealed and the others, the wicked, don't be deceived anymore, because they are already lost in that time. Do you think that Lou Munilla is contradicting the words of the Spirit of Prophecy or he can be right about chronology of the events.

Other question that I just asked you is this: Can the 2300 days commence before 250 days after the begining of the 1290 days. I studied the chart and I saw that if the 2300 days finish with the 42 months of the beast, then in the plagues, the beast won't be in power anymore because its period of 1260 days will be already finished in this time. And the beast will be in power until the seventh plague, to wit in Revelation 19:11-21:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him {was} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes {were} as a flame of fire, and on his head {were} many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he {was} clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies {which were} in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on {his} vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all {men, both} free and bond, both small and great.

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which {sword} proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


My question is: The Lord said specifically that will be 250 days since the daily shall be taken away until the beginning of the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14?

God bless you,

Paulo.

 

 

 

Ron responds: Sorry for a delay in response Brother Paulo, but I my computer was in need of repairs and much time was taken up with that before I could make any proper response.

 

First I will give a short answer to your explicit questions and then a longer answer by way of explanation.

  • I believe it is made clear that antichrist will personate Satan before the close of probation and even just after the beast is seated.
  • You asked: "Other question that I just asked you is this: Can the 2300 days commence before 250 days after the begining of the 1290 days. I studied the chart and I saw that if the 2300 days finish with the 42 months of the beast, then in the plagues, the beast won't be in power anymore because its period of 1260 days will be already finished in this time. And the beast will be in power until the seventh plague, to wit in Revelation 19:11-21..."
  • Ron responds: I don't believe the 2300 days can commence before 250 days after the begining of the 1290th day because the 2300 days must be commensurate with the end of the reign of the beast power. The 2300 days will continue past the time of the end of probation at which time the plagues will begin. God's 144,000 are still being tested after probation is closed and they must live without a mediator in the Sanctuary.
  • You asked: "
    My question is: The Lord said specifically that will be 250 days since the daily shall be taken away until the beginning of the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14?
  • Ron responds: The Lord said specifically that the wise will understand the days of Daniel 8:12:11, 12, which are associated with the events of Daniel 8. He said specifically in Daniel 8 that a host will be given to be trodden under foot by the little horn power for 2300 days. This period must extend to the final end of the beasts tenure of power.
  • If the 2300 days began before day 250 after the Sunday Law legislation, then the 2300 could not and would not extend to the end of the 1260 day reign of the beast of Revelation 13:1-5.

I see the events of Daniel 8  and 12 in this order: 

1. The daily (Sabbath--perpetual, continual sign, covenant) between God and His people is removed. This is the act of Sunday legislation by the image to the beast, the two-horned lamb, the U.S.A. 

2. 1290 days later, the abomination of desolation, the beast power of Revelation 13, is seated, and he ENFORCES that legislation to the point of no buy and sell, and then death to those who violate this law. This is one of the greatest proofs that the days of Daniel 12: 11, 12, involve more than one 1260 day period. There are 1290 days from the time the daily is removed until the abomination of desolation is seated, and when he is seated, he rules for 42 months, Revelation 13:1-5. Some believe he is ruling from the taking away of the daily, but that is not what Daniel 12:11, 12 say.  

3. The death (first death decree, GC 6265) and/or imprisonment of all Christians (sentenced to death) who will not worship the beast (except the 144,000) will occur between day 1290 and 1335, at which time Satan "thinks" he has rid the earth of the faithful. 

4. After the beast of Revelation 13 is seated, he rules for 1260 days (42 months), but he is not seated until 1290 days after the taking away of the daily (Sabbath). This involves a total of 1290 plus 1260 days, or 2,550 days. 

5. Daniel 8:9-15 says that an host is given to the little horn against the daily the Sabbath. That host that is given to the little horn against the daily, the Sabbath, represents the members of the new movement SDA church who will be encouraged by their leaders to keep Sunday Sacred. This will be the transgression of desolation as committed by the SDA church as opposed to the seating of the abomination of desolation which is the healing of the wound of the beast power of Revelation 13:1-5, to wit:

"The Lord has a controversy with His professed people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah.  They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition.  In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week.  There are calamities on sea and land: and these calamities will increase, one disaster following close upon another; and the little band of conscientious Sabbath-keepers will be pointed out as the ones who are bringing the wrath of God upon the world by their disregard of Sunday."  R & H 3-18-1884.

Ellen White said that all the events foretold in Daniel's visions by the Hiddekel, Daniel 8, would soon come to pass. I fully accept the application of the historic version as applied to the conquests of Alexander, but Ellen White reapplies the events of Daniel 8 to the future, to wit:

 

Daniel 8 is the vision Daniel saw by the Ulai. The vision He say by the Hiddekel is related in Daniel 10. Ellen White said that the entire chapter of Revelation 13 will surely take place.

 

“The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai and the Hiddekel, the great rivers of Shinar, are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass.” {TM 112.3, 113}

 

“The Sabbath question will be the issue in the great conflict in which all the world will act a part. ]Rev. 13:4-8, 10 quoted.] This ENTIRE CHAPTER is a revelation of what will surely take place (future) [Rev. 13:11, 15-17 quoted].” E.G. White, (MS 88, 1897)., SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7a, p. 979. Col. 2.

 

In the last days Satan will appear as an angel of light, with great power and heavenly glory, and claim to be the Lord of the whole earth.  He will declare that the Sabbath has been changed from the seventh to the first day of the week; and as lord of the first day of the week he will present this spurious sabbath as a test of loyalty to him.  Then   will take place the final fulfillment of the Revelator's prophecy. ‘And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:  and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?  who is able to make war with him?  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.[Revelation 13:4-18 quoted]’ ”  -Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases, Volume 19, page 282 [Manuscript 153, 1902].

 

Daniel 8:9-14 says:

 

9And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 

 10And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 

 11Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 

 12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 

 13Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 

 14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

6. The host (God's true Sanctuary and its true and faithful members) will be trodden under foot for 2300 days, then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. This gets a bit involved because there are two different hosts and sanctuaries involved--the true host and their sanctuary, and the apostate, new movement host and their sanctuary. Both are regarded as spiritual Jerusalem for nomenclature purposes just as was apostate and true Jerusalem referred to as Jerusalem and Zion, per Isaiah 4:1-4, when in reality, true Zion, true Jerusalem, went forth out of apostate Jerusalem, Isaiah 37:31, 32, and the prophet DOES NOT contradict himself when this duality of true Jerusalem is deciphered from apostate Jerusalem which is still referred to as Jerusalem and Zion because it was called to be such, but failed to fulfill the calling so God’s promises were not fulfilled to them as they failed to meet the conditions.

 

7. The apostate SDA Sanctuary gives its host to be trodden underfoot with the “Gentile,” Babylonian host, for 42 months—extending from the taking away of the daily to day 1260, at which time there will be a 30 day period of warning that any violation of Sunday will be met with enforcement of punishments and death on day 1290, 30 days later, when the beast power or abomination of desolation is seated.

 

8. When the beast power is seated, this will be used as an excuse and good reason by Babylon to fulfill Matthew 22:7 and Ezekiel 9:6 against apostate Adventism. Ellen White reapplies Matthew 22:1-10 in Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9. The Babylonian churches will be infuriated by SDA’s compromising their long held Sabbath issue as the reason for the existence of their separate denomination. This will afford the better stealing of even more of Babylon’s sheep, and this will enrage Babylon and they will destroy the SDA church at this time, and government will turn its head because this will serve the purposes of Satan who hates even professing Christians. In Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9 (See entire quote at the bottom of this document), Ellen White expressly quotes Matthew 22:7, which is one and the same event with Ezekiel 9:6. And in reapplying the entire content of verses 1-10 of Matt. 22, we must conclude that these events will be in their order. And this is a perfect time for God to fulfill the following threat against “Jerusalem” (spiritual Jerusalem, apostate SDA’s). This is done as a taunt, an instruction to the nations around and NOT WHILE THEY ARE ALL GOING DOWN THE TUBE TOGETHER IN AN ALLEGED one time execution of Ezekiel 9 when all would supposedly go down together. This occurs as an instruction to all peoples as to what happens to a chosen people who were not faithful to the conditions of their calling—namely SDA’s who were privileged with great light. This happened to the first chosen people who apostatized from the truth and it will happen to the second—professing, apostate Seventh-day Adventists. But they won’t believe it, AND THEY WON’T EVEN SEE IT COMING!

 

9. Some will muse that the “gentile” SDA’s would be trodden down for more than 1260 days (42 mo.) if they were trodden down from the initial taking away of the daily until day 1290 when the Sunday Law is enforced and the beast is seated. But God’s Word has some stumbling blocks for such scorners, and the fact is that Ellen White says the death decree will be anticipated and I thus say that the killing will begin on day 1260 after the Sunday Law is first legislated versus being enforced. So the trodden down will be for 1260 days.

 

“The heavenly sentinels, faithful to their trust, continue their watch. Though a general decree has fixed the time when commandment keepers may be put to death, their enemies will in some cases anticipate the decree, and before the time specified, will endeavor to take their lives. But none can pass the mighty guardians stationed about every faithful soul. Some are assailed in their flight from the cities and villages; but the swords raised against them break and fall powerless as a straw. Others are defended by angels in the form of men of war.” GC, p. 631.

Thus, the saints are trodden underfoot by the beast power by being under the pressure of being exposed by their own family and friends. And if you don’t think this will be a trial by being trod under foot, wait and see.

10. The treading down of the real true and faithful host, the 144,000 saints, will occur for 2300 days. This is reckoned by counting back from the final 2,550th day. So 2,550-2300=day 250, at which time SDA’s will instruct their members to keep Sunday sacred.

 

11. The reason the true and faithful Sanctuary is not trodden down from the inception of Sunday legislation at the time the daily is removed, is because she is not around to be trodden down. In the prefigure of what occurred to Jerusalem in A.D. 66-70, the period of three years before Jerusalem was destroyed in an Ezekiel 9 slaughter by Titus, teaches us that the faithful Christians Jews were not in the “holy city” to be trodden down. They were not part of (members) of the apostate Jewish Temple. They had separated into home churches all over Judea. Then, when the Roman General Cestius Gallus ascended upon Jewish soil in A.D. 66, and soon after withdrew, that was the forewarned of time of respite at which they all fled to the city of Pella which was a valley surround by mountains to which they could later flee if necessary.

 

However, on day 250, when SDA leaders begin to instruct their members to keep Sunday sacred, they will begin to report true and faithful Seventh-day Adventists who do keep the Sabbath, to the Catholics. This will be the commencement of the treading down of the 144,000 for 2300 days, the ones who have aided in the cleansing of the Sanctuary by the cleansing, purging of sin from their souls by the indwelling Holy Spirit power of Jesus. They will then begin to be searched out and persecuted. So by day 250 after the legislation of the National Sunday Law in the U.S.A., the bride, the 144,000, will be an obscure entity. She will then flee and not disclose her whereabouts:

 

"I saw the nominal church and nominal Adventists, like Judas, would betray us to the Catholics to obtain their influence to come against the truth. The saints then will be an obscure [hidden] people, little known to the Catholics but the churches and nominal Adventists who know of our faith and customs (for they hate us on account of the Sabbath, for they could not refute it) will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics as those who disregard the institutions of the people that is, that they keep the Sabbath and disregard Sunday. 

Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large, will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that Jesus' work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there is finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the sins of Israel upon the head of the Scape Goat. Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues will come upon the wicked, and they do not come till Jesus puts on that garment, and takes Hs place upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are falling, the Scape Goat is being led away. He makes a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that leads him. If he should effect his escape, Israel would lose their lives. I saw that it would take time to lead away the Scape Goat into the land of forgetfulness after the sins were put on his head.

The great white cloud I saw was not the holy place, but entirely separate from the holy and most holy place, entirely separate from the sanctuary. 

Then the angel repeated these words, and said, 'This is the time spoken of in Isaiah. He saw that there was not man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. He had no mediator between God and man, and these plagues could be withheld no longer, for Jesus had ceased to plead for Israel, and they were covered with the covering of the Almighty God, and they could live in the sight of a holy God, and those who were not covered, the plagues fell upon them, for they had nothing to shelter or protect them from the wrath of God." E.G. White, Dorchester, Maine, October 23, 1850, Spalding--Magan's Unpublished Mss. Testimonies, pp. 1, 2.

Mark this word: There is nothing any more NOMINAL than lukewarm Seventh-day Adventists and cold apostates masquerading as Seventh-day Adventists! Ellen White defines the foolish virgins as the Laodicean state of the church. There is nothing more nominal than foolish virgins! And the new movement she prophesied in Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-205, is the epitome of nominal, small “c” Christianity!

Ezekiel 5 is nothing more than a Version on a Theme of Ezekiel 9

 

Ezekiel 5 will be fulfilled upon apostate SDA churches beginning on day 1260 after the Sunday Law is legislated in anticipation of the law ENFORCING the Sunday Law which will come on day 1290.

 

Ezekiel 5

 1And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber's razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then take thee balances to weigh, and divide the hair.

 

 2Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.

 

 3Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts.

 

 4Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.

 

 5Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.

 

 6And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

 

 7Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;

 

 8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.

 

 9And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.

 

 10Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.

 

 11Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.

 

 12A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

 

 13Thus shall mine anger be accomplished, and I will cause my fury to rest upon them, and I will be comforted: and they shall know that I the LORD have spoken it in my zeal, when I have accomplished my fury in them.

 

 14Moreover I will make thee waste, and a reproach among the nations that are round about thee, in the sight of all that pass by.

 

 15So it shall be a reproach and a taunt, an instruction and an astonishment unto the nations that are round about thee, when I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes. I the LORD have spoken it.

 

 16When I shall send upon them the evil arrows of famine, which shall be for their destruction, and which I will send to destroy you: and I will increase the famine upon you, and will break your staff of bread:

 

 17So will I send upon you famine and evil beasts, and they shall bereave thee: and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee; and I will bring the sword upon thee. I the LORD have spoken it.

 

9. Ezekiel 9 will be executed against fallen Babylon after the saints are delivered—The Great Controversy, pp. 653-656 in context.. Nearly every professing Seventh-day Adventist misapplies this passage to the SDA church, when it clearly says on page 653:

 

“Such are the judgments that fall upon Babylon in the day of the  visitation of God’s wrath. She has filled up the measure of her iniquity; her time has come; she is ripe for destruction.” cf. In context with these words on page 656:

 

“The mark of deliverance has been set upon those ‘that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done.’ Now the angel of death goes forth, represented in Ezekiel’s vision by men with the slaughtering weapons, to whom the command is given: “Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my Sanctuary.” GC, 656.

 

This destruction begins at Babylon’s “Christian” sanctuaries. But it all really BEGINS at God’s called and chosen Sanctuary, those who have been privileged with great light, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, in an Ezekiel 9 slaughter that destroys them before the other churches per Ezekiel 5:9 and on and Matthew 22:1-10, where the murderous city is destroyed before the final call to the world—the highways.

 

The apostate SDA new movement church is in the outer court of experience. They are thus not God's true Sanctuary, but they are supposed to be so they are reckoned in the fact of His sanctuary and host being trod under foot. Those of the outer court experience join with Babylon in trampling on the once holy city for 42 months, the first 1260 days after the daily is removed. 

 

Revelation 11:2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. The sins of the true and faithful must enter and be judged in the investigative judgment before the cleansing of the sanctuary, because the sanctuary of the soul cannot be cleansed before the true saints enter the Sanctuary by faith. Early Writings, p. 255, to wit:

 

“After Jesus opened the door of the most holy, the light of the Sabbath was seen, and the people of God were tested, as the children of Israel were tested anciently, to see if they would keep God's law. I saw

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the third angel pointing upward, showing the disappointed ones the way to the holiest of the heavenly sanctuary. As they by faith enter the most holy, they find Jesus, and hope and joy spring up anew. I saw them looking back, reviewing the past, from the proclamation of the second advent of Jesus, down through their experience to the passing of the time in 1844. They see their disappointment explained, and joy and certainty again animate them. The third angel has lighted up the past, the present, and the future, and they know that God has indeed led them by His mysterious providence. {EW 254.2}

 

     “It was represented to me that the remnant followed Jesus into the most holy place and beheld the ark and the mercy seat, and were captivated with their glory. Jesus then raised the cover of the ark, and lo! the tables of stone, with the ten commandments written upon them. They trace down the lively oracles, but start back with trembling when they see the fourth commandment among the ten holy precepts, with a brighter light shining upon it than upon the other nine, and a halo of glory all around it. They find nothing there informing them that the Sabbath has been abolished, or changed to the first day of the week. The commandment reads as when spoken by the voice of God in solemn and awful grandeur upon the mount, while the lightnings flashed and the thunders rolled; it is the same as when written with His own finger on the tables of stone: "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." They are amazed as they behold the care taken of the ten commandments. They see them placed close by Jehovah, overshadowed and protected by His holiness. They see that they have been trampling upon the fourth commandment of the decalogue, and have observed a

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day handed down by the heathen and papists, instead of the day sanctified by Jehovah. They humble themselves before God and mourn over their past transgressions.” {EW 255.1}

 

 

“All who are partakers of the divine nature will realize that the Holy Spirit works with them, taking the truth from the sacred Word, where Christ has placed it, and stamping it upon the soul. But we are in great peril of keeping the truth in the outer court, neglecting to bring it into the sanctuary of the soul. Earnestly and solemnly we should prepare ourselves for the cleansing of the soul-temple, remembering that we are a spectacle to the world, to angels, and to men. This work, when thoroughly done, will cleanse the heart from all disunion, all strife, all desire for the supremacy.--Ms 14, 1901, pp. 1, 2, 21. (Diary, "Health Foods and Sanitarium Chaplains," Feb. 21, 1901.) {2MR 42.2}

 

The sins of the true and faithful are MEASURED, JUDGED, beforehand. How? By faith entering the Sanctuary and by accepting the gold tried in the fire, faith that works by love of Christ and what He has done for us. By the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ, we are empowered to overcome all sin and that is what is requisite to the cleansing of the Sanctuary before Christ can come.

 

“Their sins have gone beforehand to judgment and have been blotted out, and they cannot bring them to remembrance.” The Great Controversy, p. 620.

 

“Those who delay a preparation for the day of God cannot obtain it in the time of trouble or at any subsequent time. The case of all such is hopeless.” The Great Controversy, p. 630 (1911 edition).

 

Those who are waiting to quit sinning in the future and to jump on the proverbial bandwagon at that time, will find it impossible. Why? Because character is not developed in a short time and it will require much character at that time for all will die for what they believe except for the 144,000 who are translated without seeing death. And it is a weighty thing to die for what you believe. You must have the principles of such a belief deeply ingrained in the soul.

 

 

Chap. 197 - Satan Personates Christ--I
Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. Luke 21:8.


     "In this age
antichrist will appear as the true Christ, and then the law of God will be fully made void in the nations of our world. Rebellion against God's holy law will be fully ripe. But the true leader of all this rebellion is Satan clothed as an angel of light. Men will be deceived and will exalt him to the place of God, and deify him. But Omnipotence will interpose, and to the apostate churches that unite in the exaltation of Satan, the sentence will go forth, `Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.'" {Mar 205.1}

 

     Disguised as an angel of light, he [Satan] will walk the earth as a wonder-worker. In beautiful language he will present lofty sentiments. Good words will be spoken by him, and good deeds performed. Christ will be personified, but on one point there will be a marked distinction. Satan will turn the people from the law of God. {Mar 205.2}

 

Note by Ron: The word Satan appearing in brackets is as the quote appears. I did not add the word or the brackets.

 

     He will declare that the Sabbath has been changed from the seventh to the first day of the week; and as lord of the first day of the week he will present this spurious sabbath as a test of loyalty to him. {Mar 205.3}

 

     It is impossible to give any idea of the experience of the people of God who shall be alive upon the earth when celestial glory and a repetition of the persecutions of the past are blended. They will walk in the light proceeding from the throne of God. By means of the angels there will be constant communication between heaven and earth. And Satan, surrounded by evil angels, and claiming to be God, will work miracles of all kinds, to deceive, if possible, the very elect. God's people will not find their safety in working miracles, for Satan will counterfeit the miracles that will be wrought. God's tried and tested people will find their power in the sign spoken of in Exodus 31:12-18. They are to take their stand on the living word: "It is written." This is the only foundation upon which they can stand securely. {Mar 205.4}

 


Chap. 198 - Satan Personates Christ--II
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Cor. 11:14.

 


     Satan is preparing his deceptions that in his last campaign against the people of God, they may not understand that it is he. "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." . . . Satan will go to the extent of his power to harass, tempt, and mislead God's people. {Mar 206.1}

 

     He who dared to face, and tempt, and taunt our Lord, and who had power to take Him in his arms and carry Him to a pinnacle of the temple, and up into an exceeding high mountain, will exercise his power to a wonderful degree upon the present generation, who are far inferior in wisdom to their Lord, and who are almost wholly ignorant of his subtlety and strength. {Mar 206.2}

 

     In a marvelous manner will he affect the bodies of those who are naturally inclined to do his bidding. {Mar 206.3}

 

     He will come personating Jesus Christ, working mighty miracles; and men will fall down and worship him as Jesus Christ. {Mar 206.4}

 

     We shall be commanded to worship this being, whom the world will glorify as Christ. What shall we do?--Tell them that Christ has warned us against just such a foe, who is man's worst enemy, yet who claims to be God; and that when Christ shall make His appearance, it will be with power and great glory, accompanied by ten thousand times ten thousand angels and thousands of thousands; and that when He shall come, we shall know His voice. {Mar 206.5}

 

     The time is coming when Satan will work miracles right in your sight, claiming that he is Christ; and if your feet are not firmly established upon the truth of God, then you will be led away from your foundation. {Mar 206.6}

 

Note by Ron: The 144,000 who are the only faithful Christians alive after the close of probation, will not be led away from their foundation. They will not falter. This would imply that the personification of Satan as Christ, comes before the close of probation when some will be led away from the foundation by Satan's deceptions. Were I Satan, I would not wait until after probation is closed to work the final "state of the art" (perfection of his deceptions over the long ages) wiles of my art.

 

     Satan is determined to keep up the warfare to the end. Coming as an angel of light, claiming to be the Christ, he will deceive the world. But his triumph will be short. No storm or tempest can move those whose feet are planted on the principles of eternal truth. They will be able to stand in this time of almost universal apostasy. {Mar 206.7}

 

Chap. 11. - Satan's Last Day Deceptions
                 Under the Garb of Christianity

 

     We are approaching the end of this earth's history, and Satan is working as never before. He is striving to act as director of the Christian world. With an intensity that is marvelous he is working with his lying wonders. Satan is represented as walking about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. He desires to embrace the whole world in his confederacy. Hiding his deformity under the garb of Christianity, he assumes the attributes of a Christian, and claims to be Christ Himself.--8MR 346 (1901). {LDE 155.1}

 

     The Word of God declares that when it suits the enemy's purpose, he will through his agencies manifest so great a power under a pretense of Christianity that, "if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" [Matt. 24:24].--Ms 125, 1901. {LDE 155.2}

 

Note by Ron: Such is not possible after the sealing of the elect because Ellen White says they are sealed so they cannot be moved. 

Sealing -- "Just as soon as the people of God are sealed in their foreheads--it is not any seal or mark that can be seen, but a settling into the truth, both intellectually and spiritually, so they cannot be moved--just as soon as God's people are sealed and prepared for the shaking, it will come. Indeed it has BEGUN ALREADY...." E.G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, pp. 1161. cf. the following statement: 

Coming out of a holier people? This seems to imply such: -- "God's Measurement of Those Who Walk in the Light They Have.--The Lord will give His message to those who have walked in accordance with the light they have had, and will recognize them as true and faithful, according to the measurement of God. These men will take the place of those who, having light and knowledge, have walked not in the way of the Lord, but in the imagination of their own unsanctified hearts. {3SM 422.1}

 

     As the spirits will profess faith in the Bible and manifest respect for the institutions of the church,
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their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power.--GC 588 (1911). {LDE 155.3}

 

     The strongest bulwark of vice in our world is not the iniquitous life of the abandoned sinner or the degraded outcast; it is that life which otherwise appears virtuous, honorable, and noble, but in which one sin is fostered, one vice indulged. . . . Genius, talent, sympathy, even generous and kindly deeds, may thus become decoys of Satan to entice souls over the precipice of ruin.--Ed 150 (1903). {LDE 156.1}

 

                       Even in the Adventist Church

 

     We have far more to fear from within than from without. The hindrances to strength and success are far greater from the church itself than from the world. Unbelievers have a right to expect that those who profess to be keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, will do more than any other class to promote and honor, by their consistent lives, by their godly example and their active influence, the cause which they represent. But how often have the professed advocates of the truth proved the greatest obstacle to its advancement! The unbelief indulged, the doubts expressed, the darkness cherished, encourage the presence of evil angels, and open the way for the accomplishment of Satan's devices.--1SM 122 (1887). {LDE 156.2}

 


              Lying Spirits Contradict the Scriptures

 

     The saints must get a thorough understanding of present truth, which they will be obliged to maintain
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from the Scriptures. They must understand the state of the dead, for the spirits of devils will yet appear to them, professing to be beloved friends and relatives, who will declare to them that the Sabbath has been changed, also other unscriptural doctrines.--EW 87 (1854). {LDE 156.3}

 

     The apostles, as personated by these lying spirits, are made to contradict what they wrote at the dictation of the Holy Spirit when on earth. They deny the divine origin of the Bible.--GC 557 (1911). {LDE 157.1}

 

     Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome.--GC 588 (1911). {LDE 157.2}

 

     Persons will arise pretending to be Christ Himself, and claiming the title and worship which belong to the world's Redeemer. They will perform wonderful miracles of healing, and will profess to have revelations from heaven contradicting the testimony of the Scriptures. . . . {LDE 157.3}

 

     But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God's unmingled wrath shall be poured out.--GC 624, 625 (1911). {LDE 157.4}

 

Note by Ron: This is duplicitous because it could refer to "persons" who will arise pretending to be Christ and/or Satan. It is difficult to see how some persons, the beast, and Satan will all claim to be Christ and that at the same time!

 

                              False Revivals

 

     I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them.--EW 261 (1858). {LDE 158.1}

 

     Before the final visitation of God's judgments upon the earth there will be among the people of the Lord such a revival of primitive godliness as has not been witnessed since apostolic times. . . . The enemy of souls desires to hinder this work, and before the time for such a movement shall come, he will endeavor to prevent it by introducing a counterfeit. In those churches which he can bring under his deceptive power, he will make it appear that God's special blessing is poured out; there will be manifest what is thought to be great religious interest. . . . {LDE 158.2}

 

Note by Ron: Some Adventists interpret the above statement to refer only to their church, but that is not true. There will be a primitive revival amongst some members of all churches, and the faithful of them will come out of those churches, including the SDA apostate, new movement church. The above statement is unfortunately abbreviated in Last Day Events, so that its full and true meaning does not appear. Here is the true context of the statement:

     “Before the final visitation of God's judgments upon the earth, there will be, among the people of the Lord, such a revival of primitive godliness as has not been witnessed since apostolic times. The Spirit and power of God will be poured out upon His children. At that time many will separate themselves from those churches in which the love of this world has supplanted love for God and His Word. Many, both of ministers and people, will gladly accept those great truths which God has caused to be proclaimed at this time, to prepare a people for the Lord's second coming. The enemy of souls desires to hinder this work; and before the time for such a movement shall come, he will endeavor to prevent it, by introducing a counterfeit. In those churches which he can bring under his deceptive power, he will make it appear that God's special blessing is poured out; there will be manifest what is thought to be great religious interest. . . .” {FLB 326.2}

 

So there is a separation from Adventist churches in which the love of this world has supplanted love for God and His Word, as well as the other fallen churches that have done the same thing. There will have to be a primitive revival amongst faithful individuals in the other fallen churches as well, that they will accept the heed the warning to "go ye out to meet Him," Matthew 25--the final Loud, Midnight Cry to all--SDA's and the other fallen churches.

 

     There is an emotional excitement, a mingling of the true with the false, that is well adapted to mislead. Yet none need be deceived. In the light of God's Word it is not difficult to determine the nature of these movements. Wherever men neglect the testimony of the Bible, turning away from those plain, soul-testing truths which require self-denial and renunciation of the world, there we may be sure that God's blessing is not bestowed.--GC 464 (1911). {LDE 158.3}

 

Ron's Note: And there is plenty of neglect of the Bible and the SOP and turning away from plain, soul-testing truths which require self-denial and renunciation of the world IN THE PROFESSING SDA CHURCH, so that God's blessing is not bestowed.

 

                         Music Is Made a Snare

 

     The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, [THESE COMMENTS WERE MADE IN CONNECTION WITH THE "HOLY FLESH" MOVEMENT AT THE INDIANA CAMP MEETING OF 1890. FOR FURTHER DETAILS, SEE SELECTED MESSAGES, BOOK 2, PP. 31-39.] the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. . . . {LDE 159.1}

 

Ron's Note: The qualifying words in brackets are deceptively employed to make it appear that Ellen White meant only the Holy Flesh Movement at the Indiana camp meeting of 1890, but that is a deception! Ellen White was referring to that event but reapplying it to occur again just before the close of probation.

 

     A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirit's working. . . . Those things which have been in the past will be in the future. Satan will make music a snare by the way in which it is conducted.--2SM 36, 38 (1900). {LDE 159.2}

 

Here is the full context of the above statement:

"The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. 

The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and pervert that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirits working." Selected Messages, Vol. 2, p. 36.

 

     Let us give no place to strange exercisings, which really take the mind away from the deep movings of the Holy Spirit. God's work is ever characterized by calmness and dignity.--2SM 42 (1908). {LDE 159.3}

 

                       False Speaking in Tongues

 

     Fanaticism, false excitement, false talking in tongues, and noisy exercises have been considered gifts which God has placed in the church. Some have been deceived here. The fruits of all this have not been good. "Ye shall know them by their fruits." Fanaticism
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and noise have been considered special evidences of faith. Some are not satisfied with a meeting unless they have a powerful and happy time. They work for this and get up an excitement of feeling. But the influence of such meetings is not beneficial. When the happy flight of feeling is gone they sink lower than before the meeting because their happiness did not come from the right source. {LDE 159.4}

 

     The most profitable meetings for spiritual advancement are those which are characterized with solemnity and deep searching of heart, each seeking to know himself and, earnestly and in deep humility, seeking to learn of Christ.--1T 412 (1864). {LDE 160.1}

 


                 Evil Angels Appear as Human Beings

 

       Satan will use every opportunity to seduce men from their allegiance to God. He and the angels who fell with him will appear on the earth as men, seeking to deceive. God's angels also will appear as men, and will use every means in their power to defeat the purposes of the enemy.--8MR 399 (1903). {LDE 160.2}

 

     Evil angels in the form of men will talk with those who know the truth. They will misinterpret and misconstrue the statements of the messengers of God. . . . Have Seventh-day Adventists forgotten the warning given in the sixth chapter of Ephesians? We are engaged in a warfare against the hosts of darkness. Unless we follow our Leader closely, Satan will obtain the victory over us.--3SM 411 (1903). {LDE 160.3}

 

     Evil angels in the form of believers will work in our ranks to bring in a strong spirit of unbelief. Let not even this discourage you, but bring a true heart to the help of the Lord against the powers of satanic agencies. These powers of evil will assemble in our meetings, not to receive a blessing, but to counterwork the influences of the Spirit of God.--2MCP 504, 505 (1909). {LDE 161.1}

 

Note by Ron: Notice whom God and Ellen White indict with unbelief and deception of God's people:

"Here we see that the (SDA) church-the Lord's sanctuary-was the first ("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God. 1 Peter 4:17) to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. ("The wrath of God"=the 7 last plagues-Early Writings, 36, 52, 64, 289; Revelation 15:1, 7; 16:1.) The ancient men, those who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interest of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus Peace and safety' is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob (the leadership) their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children ALL perish together." (ALL excludes nobody-not one. ALL from the leadership to the cradle roll are slain!) Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211. (The chapter this is taken from begins on page 207, quoting Ezekiel 9).

The compiled book Last Day Events is a masterpiece of much deception. Statements are taken out of their context and misguiding qualifying statements are added. The document at this link exposes such deceptions:

http://omega77.tripod.com/leavestate.htm

 

 

                      Personation of the Dead

 

     It is not difficult for the evil angels to represent both saints and sinners who have died, and make these representations visible to human eyes. These manifestations will be more frequent, and developments of a more startling character will appear as we near the close of time.--Ev 604 (1875). {LDE 161.2}

 

     It is Satan's most successful and fascinating delusion--one calculated to take hold of the sympathies of those who have laid their loved ones in the grave. Evil angels come in the form of those loved ones and relate incidents connected with their lives, and perform acts which they performed while living. In this way they lead persons to believe that their dead friends are angels, hovering over them and communicating with them. These evil angels, who assume to be the deceased friends, are regarded with a certain idolatry, and with many their word has greater weight than the Word of God.--ST Aug. 26, 1889. {LDE 161.3}

 

     He [Satan] has power to bring before men the appearance of their departed friends. The counterfeit
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is perfect; the familiar look, the words, the tone, are reproduced with marvelous distinctness. . . . Many will be confronted by the spirits of devils personating beloved relatives or friends and declaring the most dangerous heresies. These visitants will appeal to our tenderest sympathies and will work miracles to sustain their pretensions
.--GC 552, 560 (1911). {LDE 161.4}

 


                         Satan Personates Christ

 

     The enemy is preparing to deceive the whole world by his miracle-working power. He will assume to personate the angels of light, to personate Jesus Christ.--2SM 96 (1894). {LDE 162.1}

 

     If men are so easily misled now, how will they stand when Satan shall personate Christ, and work miracles? Who will be unmoved by his misrepresentations then--professing to be Christ when it is only Satan assuming the person of Christ, and apparently working the works of Christ?--2SM 394 (1897). {LDE 162.2}

 

     Satan will take the field and personate Christ. He will misrepresent, misapply, and pervert everything he possibly can.--TM 411 (1898). {LDE 162.3}

 

     A power from beneath is working to bring about the last great scenes in the drama--Satan coming as Christ, and working with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in those who are binding themselves together in secret societies.--8T 28 (1904). {LDE 162.4}

 

Note by Ron: The World Council of Churches and its subsidiary organizations--the various National Councils of Churches and their more localized Ministerial Associations, were formed in secret. The press was not permitted. And all these organizations are controlled by the secret societies that have infiltrated all churches and working through these organizations to deceive all Christians without their being aware of this fact.

 

               Satan Resembles Christ in Every Particular

 

     There is a limit beyond which Satan cannot go, and here he calls deception to his aid and counterfeits the work which he has not power actually to perform. In the last days he will appear in such a manner as to make men believe him to be Christ come the second time into the world. He will indeed transform himself into an angel of light. But while he will bear the appearance of Christ in every particular, so far as mere appearance goes, it will deceive none but those who, like Pharaoh, are seeking to resist the truth.--5T 698 (1889). {LDE 163.1}

 

     As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour's advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. (Rev. 1:13-15). The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air: "Christ has come! Christ has come!" {LDE 163.2}

 

     The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed His disciples when He was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly
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truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed.--
GC 624 (1911). {LDE 163.3}

 

              Satan Pretends to Answer the Saints' Prayers

 

     Satan sees that he is about to lose his case. He cannot sweep in the whole world. He makes one last desperate effort to overcome the faithful by deception. He does this in personating Christ. He clothes himself with the garments of royalty which have been accurately described in the vision of John. He has power to do this. He will appear to his deluded followers, the Christian world who received not the love of the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness (transgression of the law), as Christ coming the second time. {LDE 164.1}

 

     He proclaims himself Christ, and he is believed to be Christ, a beautiful, majestic being clothed with majesty and, with soft voice and pleasant words, with glory unsurpassed by anything their mortal eyes had yet beheld. Then his deceived, deluded followers set up a shout of victory, "Christ has come the second time! Christ has come! He has lifted up His hands just as He did when He was upon the earth, and blessed us.". . . {LDE 164.2}

 

     The saints look on with amazement. Will they also be deceived? Will they worship Satan? Angels of God are about them. A clear, firm, musical voice is heard, "Look up." {LDE 164.3}

 

Note by Ron: The saints, the 144,000, are not deceived by Satan.

 

     There was one object before the praying ones--the final and eternal salvation of their souls. This object
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was before them constantly--that immortal life was promised to
those who endure unto the end. Oh, how earnest and fervent had been their desires. The judgment and eternity were in view. Their eyes by faith were fixed on the blazing throne, before which the white-robed ones were to stand. This restrained them from the indulgence of sin. . . . {LDE 164.4}

 

     One effort more, and then Satan's last device is employed. He hears the unceasing cry for Christ to come, for Christ to deliver them. This last strategy is to personate Christ, and make them think their prayers are answered.--Ms 16, 1884. {LDE 165.1}

 


                          How the Counterfeit
                        Differs From the Genuine

 


     Satan is not permitted to counterfeit the manner of Christ's advent.--GC 625 (1911). {LDE 165.2}

 

     Satan . . . will come personating Jesus Christ, working mighty miracles; and men will fall down and worship him as Jesus Christ. We shall be commanded to worship this being, whom the world will glorify as Christ. What shall we do? Tell them that Christ has warned us against just such a foe, who is man's worst enemy, yet who claims to be God, and that when Christ shall make His appearance it will be with power and great glory, accompanied by ten thousand times ten thousand angels and thousands of thousands, and that when He shall come we shall know His voice.--6BC 1106 (1888). {LDE 165.3}

 

     Satan is striving to gain every advantage. . . . Disguised as an angel of light, he will walk the earth as a wonder-worker. In beautiful language he will present lofty sentiments; good words will be spoken by him and good deeds performed. Christ will be personified. But on one point there will be a marked distinction--Satan will turn the people from the law of God. Notwithstanding this, so well will he counterfeit righteousness that, if it were possible, he would deceive the very elect. Crowned heads, presidents, rulers in high places, will bow to his false theories.--FE 471, 472 (1897). {LDE 166.1}

 

                       Miracles Will Be Performed

 

     The sick will be healed before us. Miracles will be performed in our sight. Are we prepared for the trial which awaits us when the lying wonders of Satan shall be more fully exhibited?--1T 302 (1862). {LDE 166.2}

 

     Men under the influence of evil spirits will work miracles. They will make people sick by casting their spell upon them, and will then remove the spell, leading others to say that those who were sick have been miraculously healed. This Satan has done again and again.--2SM 53 (1903). {LDE 166.3}

 

     Wonderful scenes, with which Satan will be closely connected, will soon take place. God's Word declares that Satan will work miracles. He will make people sick, and then will suddenly remove from them his satanic power. They will then be regarded as healed.
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These works of apparent healing will bring Seventh-day Adventists to the test.--2SM 53 (1904). {LDE 166.4}

 

     Satan can, through a species of deceptions, perform wonders that will appear to be genuine miracles. It was this he hoped to make a test question with the Israelites at the time of their deliverance from Egypt.--2SM 52 (1907). {LDE 167.1}

 


                            Fire From Heaven

 

     We must not trust the claims of men. They may, as Christ represents, profess to work miracles in healing the sick. Is this marvelous, when just behind them stands the great deceiver, the miracle worker who will yet bring down fire from heaven in the sight of men?--2SM 49 (1887). {LDE 167.2}

 

     It is the lying wonders of the devil that will take the world captive, and he will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men. He is to work miracles, and this wonderful, miracle-working power is to sweep in the whole world.--2SM 51 (1890). {LDE 167.3}

 

     Satan will come in to deceive if possible the very elect. He claims to be Christ, and he is coming in, pretending to be the great medical missionary. He will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men to prove that he is God.--MM 87, 88 (1903). {LDE 167.4}

 

     It is stated in the Word that the enemy will work through his agents who have departed from the faith,
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and they will seemingly work miracles, even to the bringing down of fire out of heaven in the sight of men.--2SM 54 (1907). {LDE 167.5}

 

     "He doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do" (Rev. 13:13, 14). No mere impostures are here foretold. Men are deceived by the miracles which Satan's agents have power to do, not which they pretend to do.--GC 553 (1911). {LDE 168.1}

 


                          Satan Will Be Deified

 

     In this age antichrist will appear as the true Christ, and then the law of God will be fully made void in the nations of our world. Rebellion against God's holy law will be fully ripe. But the true leader of all this rebellion is Satan clothed as an angel of light. Men will be deceived and will exalt him to the place of God, and deify him. But Omnipotence will interpose, and to the apostate churches that unite in the exaltation of Satan, the sentence will go forth, "Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her" [Rev. 18:8].--TM 62 (1893). {LDE 168.2}

 

Note by Ron: It appears from the above statement that antichrist will appear as Christ, JUST BEFORE THE LAW OF GOD WILL BE FULLY MADE VOID, and that this is attributed to Satan clothed as an angel of light. Antichrist will thus deceive men into exalting him to the plae of God and deify him. Satan is deified in the person of antichrist, the beast power of Revelation 13. This is the abomination of desolation that is seated on day 1290 after the taking away of the daily (Sabbath--Perpetual sign and covenant between God and His people--the continual, Everlasting Covenant).

 

     As the second appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ draws near, satanic agencies are moved from beneath. Satan will not only appear as a human being, but he will personate Jesus Christ, and the world that
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has rejected the truth will receive him as the Lord of lords and King of kings.--
5BC 1105, 1106 (1900). {LDE 168.3}

 


                         Miracles Prove Nothing

 

     Go to God for yourselves, pray for divine enlightenment, that you may know that you do know what is truth, that when the wonderful miracle-working power shall be displayed, and the enemy shall come as an angel of light, you may distinguish between the genuine work of God and the imitative work of the powers of darkness.--3SM 389 (1888). {LDE 169.1}

 

     The way in which Christ worked was to preach the Word, and to relieve suffering by miraculous works of healing. But I am instructed that we cannot now work in this way, [MIRACLES WILL ACCOMPANY THE MINISTRY OF GOD'S PEOPLE UNDER THE LOUD CRY (SEE CHAPTER 14), BUT THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE SIGNIFICANCE THEY DID IN CHRIST'S DAY. THE PERFORMING OF MIRACLES WILL NO LONGER BE A PROOF OF DIVINE ENDORSEMENT.] for Satan will exercise his power by working miracles. God's servants today could not work by means of miracles, because spurious works of healing, claiming to be divine, will be wrought.--2SM 54 (1904). {LDE 169.2}

 

     God's people will not find their safety in working miracles, for Satan will counterfeit the miracles that will be wrought.--9T 16 (1909). {LDE 169.3}

 


                   Miracles Cannot Supersede the Bible

 

     If those through whom cures are performed are disposed, on account of these manifestations, to excuse
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their neglect of the law of God and continue in disobedience, though they have power to any and every extent, it does not follow that they have the great power of God. On the contrary, it is the miracle-working power of the great deceiver.--
2SM 50, 51 (1885). {LDE 169.4}

 

     The Bible will never be superseded by miraculous manifestations. The truth must be studied, it must be searched for as hidden treasure. Wonderful illuminations will not be given aside from the Word or to take the place of it. Cling to the Word, receive the engrafted Word which will make men wise unto salvation.--2SM 48 (1894). {LDE 170.1}

 

     The last great delusion is soon to open before us. Antichrist is to perform his marvelous works in our sight. So closely will the counterfeit resemble the true that it will be impossible to distinguish between them except by the Holy Scriptures. By their testimony every statement and every miracle must be tested.--GC 593 (1911). {LDE 170.2}

 


                    The Deception Is Almost Universal

 

     There is now need of earnest, working men and women who will seek for the salvation of souls, for Satan as a powerful general has taken the field, and in this last remnant of time he is working through all conceivable methods to close the door against light that God would have come to His people. He is sweeping the whole world into his ranks, and the few who are faithful to God's requirements are the only ones
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who can ever withstand him, and even these he is trying to overcome.--3SM 389 (1889). {LDE 170.3}

 

     The forms of the dead will appear, through the cunning device of Satan, and many will link up with the one who loveth and maketh a lie. I warn our people that right among us some will turn away from the faith and give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, and by them the truth will be evil spoken of. {LDE 171.1}

 

     A marvelous work shall take place. Ministers, lawyers, doctors, who have permitted these falsehoods to overmaster their spirit of discernment, will be themselves deceivers, united with the deceived. A spiritual drunkenness will take possession of them.--UL 317 (1905). {LDE 171.2}

 

References:

 

 

Matthew 22 Sermons and Talks

 

Called to the Wedding Feast

 

(Sermon by Ellen G. White In Washington, Township, Iowa, Cir. 1874.)

 

     The words which I have selected as a foundation for a few remarks you will find in the 22nd chapter of Matthew, beginning at the first verse. [Verses 1-10, quoted.] {1SAT 4.1}

 

     The portion of Scripture presented before us, which I have referred to and have presented before your minds, is of intense meaning--much more than I am able to explain. It is of great interest to us, and we should consider it, and let it have due weight upon our minds. We find by perusing God's sacred Word of inspiration that when the promised Messiah, the Son of God, came into the world His own people, even His own nation--the Jews--would not and did not receive Him. As we are told in the first chapter of St. John, "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not" (John 1:11). {1SAT 4.2}

 

     The provision was made, but they would not receive it. The Father Himself provided a ransom, even a sacrifice. His own dear Son submitted Himself to His Father's requirements, came into this sinful world, became a man of sorrow and acquainted with grief. He went about doing good, speaking in tones of tenderness, saying in the deepest and most fervent and sweetest accents ever uttered, "Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart"; and He assures us we shall find rest to our souls. {1SAT 4.3}

 

     "Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise."

 

 

                                      -5- {1SAT 4.4}

 

     The great King Himself hath made a marriage for His Son. He hath sent forth His servants for many hundreds of years, saying, "Come, for all things are ready." But how little do they [His people]  heed the invitation! They make light of it and go their ways to their worldly pursuits and worldly pleasures, the same as they have done for centuries. But the King sendeth forth His armies and destroys those murders and burns up their city, and we are told in the ninth chapter of Daniel, the 26th verse, that "the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the city...; and the end thereof shall be with a flood." {1SAT 5.1}

 

     "Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." {1SAT 5.2}

 

     In the 14th chapter of Luke, verse 16, we find that there was made a great supper and many were bidden. Servants were sent forth to say to those that were bidden, "Come; for all things are now ready" [verse 17]. But they made excuses. {1SAT 5.3}

 

     The King of the kingdom hath made a marriage supper for His Son. He hath sent forth His servants to say to those which are bidden, "Come to the marriage." The Lord is sending His servants, saying unto all who will hear, "Come, make ready for the great marriage supper of the Lamb; He is soon coming to receive all the faithful to the mansions prepared by Him, to partake of the feast which He hath prepared." He is sending, and hath been sending His servants for some thirty years past to say unto His people, "Come, make ready, put on your wedding garments; clothe yourselves with meekness, humility, and truth, and have yourselves clad in the righteousness of Christ, that you may be

 

 

                                      -6-

 

able to appear before Him, and enter into the guest chamber with those who shall sit with Me at the wedding of My Son." {1SAT 5.4}

 

     All must be clothed with the wedding garment in order to be accepted, lest we be found speechless. {1SAT 6.1}

 

     Is it not of the greatest importance that we be found having on the robe of righteousness, that we be ready when the Bridegroom cometh to enter in to the marriage supper? May we heed the invitation given and make ourselves ready that we may have admittance into the Master's house, that He say not unto us that none which were bidden shall taste of His supper. In the parable, those who were bidden heeded not its invitation, but continued excusing themselves, feasting upon the pleasures of this world as the masses do at the present time. {1SAT 6.2}

 

     The servants of God are inviting and entreating them to come away from the alluring scenes of this vain and fleeting world, to make ready for the marriage supper, but they will not come. We hear them saying, There's no danger; tomorrow shall be as this day and much more abundant; no need of being disturbed. We must needs attend to farms and merchandise and the things of this life, lest we lose worldly interests, and become poor and suffer want. They forget that He who careth for the little sparrows and clotheth the lilies of the field, careth for the humble, trusting soul, and will guide and direct all those who are ready to do His will, and bestow upon His dear children such things as they need. To all who through patience and perseverance overcome, He hath promised to give a crown of never fading glory, a robe of righteousness, and an entrance into the beautiful city of our God. {1SAT 6.3}

 

     This same King is sending forth His servants today. He is inviting His guests, saying, "Come, for all things are now ready." The Lord of the marriage

 

 

                                      -7-

 

is soon coming: behold, He is at the door. Delay not to open the door, lest He turn away from receiving you and you enter not into the marriage feast. Open the door and receive the Master, that you may enter into the mansions of everlasting rest and never fading glory prepared for all those that love Him. Who will make ready for the coming of Him who hath said, "Behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be" [Rev. 22:12]. {1SAT 6.4}

 

     If we neglect our spiritual interests, neglect to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable duty, we become entangled with the trifling cares of this life. If we even once omit our daily duty of calling upon God for His divine aid, His care and protection, we lose one day's enjoyment. We have not the sweet, melting influence of God's Holy Spirit attending us through the day, but we feel cast down and easily discouraged. The enemy of souls is ready to take advantage [of us] and often does, bringing us into captivity and sin. {1SAT 7.1}

 

     We may sometimes be cumbered about much serving, like Martha; but how much more commendable was the act of Mary, who sat and listened to the teachings of Jesus. He says, "Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: but . . . . Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her" (Luke 10:41, 42). {1SAT 7.2}

 

     How many times the things of this vain, deceitful world come between us and our eternal interests! Temporal things spring up within our hearts and choke those things which are spiritual. We permit the enemy of righteousness to persuade us that we should attend to the things of this life. We now and then neglect greater duties lest we suffer want. If we faithfully entreat God to

 

 

                                      -8-

 

give us strength and to perform temporal duties, and at the same time to give us grace and wisdom to overcome evil; if we have our hopes centered above and our conversation in heaven, whence we look for the Son of man who has bidden to the marriage all who will come: who has gone up on high to prepare mansions for all those who love and keep His sayings, and has told us He is coming to receive us, we may enter in to the wedding feast with Him, that where He is there we may be also. If we turn away from those calls and invitations, what will be the consequence? {1SAT 7.3}

 

     In the 13th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, 46th verse, we find that if we put God's work from us, and judge ourselves unworthy of everlasting life, we have no reason to expect an entrance into the kingdom. The 24th verse of the 14th chapter of Luke informs us that "none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper." {1SAT 8.1}

 

     The great eternal Father has prepared a marriage feast for His Son. Will we give heed to His servants who have been and are being sent forth to proclaim unto us the solemn invitation? Or shall we make light of it? Oh, why refuse to make ready for the marriage of the Son of God? There is room for all who will accept the invitation. None can say [that] those things were not duly represented. Remember, when the good man returns, those who are ready will go in to the feast and the door will be shut, and there will be no further entrance, for we read that when "the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door" (Luke 13:25), then those who would find admittance will hear the answer, "I know you not. . . ; depart from Me." {1SAT 8.2}

 

     May we heed well the solemn warning and make ready to enter into the wedding, that His house may be filled. God's Word informs us, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (Rev. 22:14). May we be found faithful, and give diligence to our calling, and possess the promised reward of the faithful, is my prayer.--Ms 8, 1874. (MR 900.56) {1SAT 8.3}

 

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If the Sunday Law LEGISLATION (VERSUS ENFORCEMENT) means the abomination that makes desolate is seated, and the wound is then FULLY HEALED, and then 45 days later, the faithful would be delivered (according to Lou Munilla), why would he rule for an additional 1215 days if the faithful have already been delivered by Jesus' coming, per Revelation 13:5, where the beast power reigns for 42 months after being seated. 

 

If the abomination of desolation is not seated until 1290 days AFTER the LEGISLATION OF THE SUNDAY LAW, and he rules for 1260 days (42 months) after he is seated (Rev. 13:5), and the saints are delivered on day 1335, AS LOU SAYS, who would he rule for the additional days remaining of his 1260 day tenure, after the coming of Jesus on day 1335?

 

Ron

 

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Correction: According to Lou Munilla, on day 1335 after the Sunday law is legislated,  God's people are delivered. This does not provide for any martyrs. This does not provide for the fact that the beast power rules for 1260 days (42 months) after coming into power.

 

Lou says that the abomination of desolation is seated on day 1290. Revelation 13:5 says that he rules for 42 months. He cannot rule until he is seated and if he is not seated until day 1290 after Sunday is legislated, then why would time go on for another 1230 days?

 

If the Sunday Law means the abomination that makes desolate is seated, then 45 days later, the faithful would be delivered. Why would he rule for an additional 1215 days if the faithful have already been delivered by Jesus' coming? 

 

In other words, if the faithful are delivered by the coming of Christ on day 1335, 45 days after the beginning of the seating of the beast power, how can he rule for another 1215 days after Jesus comes? These are very real and probing questions that reveal the folly of Lou Munilla's scenario.

 

 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Daniel 12:11, 12.

 

Ron

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According to Lou Munilla, the Sunday law is legislated and 45 days later it is enforced with a death decree. That would be a very short time for the Midnight Cry to go forth. In the prefigure type of A.D. 27-70, the ascension of Cestius on Jewish soil was considered the abomination of desolation. Ellen White parallels that event to the Sunday law in 5T 451 and 464, as follows (below). By Lou's description God's people will be delivered before much of a time of trouble, in fact he says they will be delivered at the enforcement of the Sunday Law, 45 days after it is proclaimed. This is not correct.

 

There are two enforcements of the Sunday Law. The first does not include the death penalty, but rather fines and imprisonment. Then a death decree is enforced. Then, at the very end, Satan attempts to rid the world of the faithful in one night, but all potential victims of that attempt are delivered. They are the 144,000. But in the first death decree, there are many martyrs of faithful Christians.

 

Consider that if only the 144,000 are translated without seeing death, either all the SDA church will have to be the 144,000 and there will be no martyrs, or Ellen White is right and there will be many martyrs as seed for fruit. It is preposterous to believe that all the faithful of the SDA church are the 144,000 if one believes Ellen White.

 

     "By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1}

     As the approach of the Roman armies was a sign to the disciples of the impending destruction of Jerusalem, so may this apostasy be a sign to us that the limit of God's forbearance is reached, that the measure of our nation's iniquity is full, and that the angel of mercy is about to take her flight, never to return. The people of God will then be plunged into those scenes of affliction and distress which prophets have described as the time of Jacob's trouble. The cries of the faithful, persecuted ones ascend to heaven. And as the blood of Abel cried from the ground, there are voices also crying to God from martyrs' graves, from the sepulchers of the sea, from mountain caverns, from convent vaults: "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" {5T 451.2}

     The Lord is doing His work. All heaven is astir. The Judge of all the earth is soon to arise and vindicate His insulted authority. The mark of deliverance will be set upon the men who keep God's commandments, who revere His

                                                                            452

law, and who refuse the mark of the beast or of his image. {5T 451.3}

It is no time now for God's people to be fixing their affections or laying up their treasure in the world. The time is not far distant, when, like the early disciples, we shall be forced to seek a refuge in desolate and solitary places. As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman armies was the signal for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption of power on the part of our nation in the decree enforcing the papal sabbath will be a warning to us. It will then be time to leave the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains. And now, instead of seeking expensive dwellings here, we should be preparing to move to a better country, even a heavenly. Instead of spending our means in self-gratification, we should be studying to economize.”  Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 464-5.

The Ezekiel 9 destruction of Jerusalem is called a prefigure in Great Controversy, p. 25. The siege on Jerusalem was first instigated in 66 A.D. That was considered as the abomination of desolation because Roman soldiers moved upon Jewish soil so many furlongs from the Temple. Cestius withdrew and Titus returned 3 1/2 years later in A.D. 70, and destroyed the Temple and then the city of Jerusalem.

“In the autumn of A.D. 66, Cestius next concentrated his entire force upon Jerusalem.  He arrived during the celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles, and although it was Sabbath, the Jews abandoned their religious rites and rushed out to attack Cestius’ troops.  To the amazement of both Romans and Jews, they broke the Roman ranks.  Indeed, Josephus declares that only a flank attack by a force of footmen and cavalry saved Cestius’ forces.  More than 500 Roman soldiers were killed whereas the Jews lost only 22 men (War ii. 198, 2 [519]).  At this point Agrippa sent an embassy to the Jews; their reaction was to attack his representatives, killing one and wounding the other.  Encouraged by a promise of the royalist party in Jerusalem to open the gates for him, Cestius then gathered his troops to a fresh assault, and penetrated as far as the north wall of the Temple.  Then an astounding thing happened: Cestius withdrew his troops, and placed himself strategically in such a poor position among the Judean hills that the Jews were able to attack him and kill more than 5,000 infantry and nearly 500 cavalry, including many officers, as well as to capture much materiel. 

A Lull in the Storm.—The defeat and withdrawal of Cestius gave many of the conservative Jews a chance to flee from Jerusalem.  Some of them joined Agrippa, others sought quiet in country places, and still others left the country entirely.  It was at this time that the Christians in Jerusalem fled in accordance with the warning of Jesus recorded in Matt. 24:15-19.  According to Eusebius, the 4th-century historian, the Christians in Jerusalem had been warned by prophets before the war began that they should leave the doomed city and find refuge at Pella in Peraea.  They now took this opportunity to make good their escape (Ecclesiastical History iii. 5, 3).” SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, 74, 75.

Titus returned in A.D. 70, around may and at the time of Passover and began his destruction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)

Reckoning Ellen White's description of this event as being a prefigure, there will be destruction and an Ezekiel 9 slaughter of the murderous city (Matt. 22:7), which is the same event as Ezekiel 9:6.

7But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Matthew 22:7.

According to Ezekiel 5, the apostate SDA church will be destroyed first, as a taunt and instruction, while the world watches.

 

                        Many Will Be Put to Death [Many Martyrs]

     The best thing for us is to come into close connection with God and, if He would have us be martyrs for the truth's sake, it may be the means of bringing many more into the truth.--3SM 420 (1886). {LDE 149.5}

      Many will be imprisoned, many will flee for their lives from cities and towns, and many will be martyrs for Christ's sake in standing in defense of the truth.--3SM 397 (1889). {LDE 150.1}

     There is a prospect before us of a continued struggle, at the risk of imprisonment, loss of property and even of life itself, to defend the law of God.--5T 712 (1889). {LDE 150.2}

     Men will be required to render obedience to human edicts in violation of the divine law. Those who are true to God will be menaced, denounced, proscribed. They will be "betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends," even unto death.--PK 588 (c. 1914). {LDE 150.3}

     We are not to have the courage and fortitude of martyrs of old until brought into the position they were in. . . . Should there be a return of persecution there would be grace given to arouse every energy of the soul to show a true heroism.--OHC 125 (1889). {LDE 150.4}

     The disciples were not endowed with the courage and fortitude of the martyrs until such grace was needed.--DA 354 (1898). {LDE 150.5}

Lou deals with only one death decree at which all God's people are delivered. This is not a true portrayal.

 

Ron

 

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Per the study of the Jubilee by Lou Munilla, according to his scenario, there will be no martyrs. The wicked are not at liberty to rush upon God's people until after the 45 days, day 1,335, at which time they hear the voice of God and are delivered. Ellen White says there will be many martyrs and if only the 144,000 are translated without seeing death, that means that all other faithful subjects will be martyred. This is but one of other very serious flaws in Lou's presentation. This no martyr's scenario will be pleasing to some, but it does not represent the truth.

"The decree “that maketh desolate is set up” on the 1,290th day.  However, the wicked are not at liberty to rush upon God’s people until “after a certain time.”  That time will be 45 days later, on the 1,335th day, and on that day, they hear the voice of God which delivers them!

The decree will go forth that they must disregard the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and honor the first day, or lose their lives . . . Satan’s host, and wicked men, will surround them, and exult over them, because there will seem to be no way of escape for them.  But in the midst of their revelry . . . the captivity of the righteous is turned, and with sweet and solemn whisperings they say to one another:  ‘We are delivered.  It is the voice of God.’”  -Ellen G. White, Testimonies For The Church, Volume 1, pages  353, 354.

“And at that time thy people shall be delivered.”  -Daniel 12:1.  At what time?  45 days after the 1290th day, or on the 1,335th day, when the trumpet of the Jubilee is blown at the end of the Day of Atonement.  This is why Daniel says:  “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.”  -Daniel 12:12.

 

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Brother George,

I don't know for sure. His name is Lou Munilla. I have readed some studies about this issue and others from him since four or five years ago. And I readed again at the brother Ron's website the same conclusion of contemporary fulfillment of Daniel 8. He in 2005 was concerned about the study of sabbatical years and the jubileu year as you can see on the following, but I think he suffered some disappointment after he realized that his conclusions wasn't straight:

http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/jubilee.doc

You can read about others issues written by him at:

http://english.sdaglobal.org/news/tsunami.htm
http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/dan8.htm

 

Perhaps you may contact with him by email and ask him to join us: lou@sundaylawalert.com

All His blessings,

Paulo.


De: George Jordache <carmforum@yahoo.com>
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Paulo who is this man? Is he still a member of the SDA Corporation or not?

If he is still a member, just let me know please!

Sincerely

George


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From: Paulo Alexandre de Oliveira <engpado@yahoo.com.br>
Subject: [AdventistHotIssues] Enc: Fwd: You Tube - Iran's Destruction . . . THEN, 42 months of great tribulation!!!
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Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 1:58 PM

 

Dear brothers,

This brother is preaching too the contemporary fulfillment of Daniel 8.

All blessings,

Paulo.



 

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Dear Brother Paulo,

 

I have to comment on the subject of your email. If, according to Lou's scenario, the faithful are delivered by God 45 days after the sitting of the abomination that makes desolate, there would be no 42 months of GREAT TRIBULATION. Ellen White describes the great time of Jacob's trouble as that time after the death decree and more especially the final attempt by Satan to rid the earth of the faithful in one night.

 

All blessings,

 

Ron

 

 

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Some key issues relative to Daniel 8:14 are involved with these questions, especially applicable to those who believe the He-goat and the ram scenario is repeated:

  • In Daniel 8:9 a little horn waxes exceeding great toward the south, and toward the east and toward the pleasant land. The SDA Bible Commentary defines the pleasant land as the glorious land of Jerusalem and Palestine.
  • In verse 10 the little horn waxes great, even to the host of heaven, and it cast down some of the host, and of the stars to the ground and stamped upon or trod them under foot, cf. verse 13.
  • In verse 12, a host is given to the little horn that is against the daily (the perpetual, continual Sabbath) which was to be a perpetual sign of God's people forever, a perpetual covenant. This is all after a little horn emerges after the He-goat and Ram confrontation.
  • In verse 13, one saint asks the question of another saint: "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily (Sabbath) and the transgression of desolation to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot?
  • Verse 14 says the time the sanctuary and host will be trodden underfoot AFTER THE LITTLE HORN EMERGES, IN CONTEXT, is 2300 days; and then the sanctuary will be cleansed.

How could anyone mistake this event as occuring AFTER the little horn emerges AFTER the He-goat and Ram confrontation? Are there any who can contest this clear evidence with good evidence?

 

Ron

 

 

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The transgression of desolation versus the abomination of desolation is urging upon the people the necessity of keeping Sunday.

 

"The Lord has a controversy with His professed people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week." Review and Herald, Vol.1, p. 405.

 

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The holy city (apostate SDA church) is trodden down for 42 months--the first 3 1/2 year period after Sunday is LEGISLATED (NOT ENFORCED). Then it is destroyed as a taunt and an instruction--Ezekiel 5 and Matthew 22:7, BEFORE the final call to the world. At the end of the first 3 1/2 years after Sunday is legislated, the church is destroyed. Matthew 22:7 and Ezekiel 9:6 are one and the same event.

 

But the true host, the 144,000, are trodden down and forsaken (Isaiah 62) for 2300 days because they exist until the very end of the tenure of the beast power. They are not members of the apostate church Sanctuary for the first 220 days of the trodding down by the Gentiles.

 

The intensity of true reformers being trodden down for 2300 days (from day 220 after Sunday is legislated to the end of time) increases after the apostate SDA church begins to betray the true reformers by reporting them to the Catholics as Ellen White has said they will do.

 

All blessings,

 

Ron

 

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In all effort at presenting all the evidence, John says that the Gentiles will trod the holy city under foot for forty two months. How do we account for this apparent discrepancy? I answer below.

 

The holy city does not mean a truly holy city, but a city that is supposed to be holy as Jerusalem was supposed to be.

 

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

 

Adventists would not be considered Gentiles. The other fallen churches would be Gentiles trodding down the holy city under foot for 42 months, the first 3 1/2 year period from the LEGISLATION of the Sunday law, NOT ITS ENFORCEMENT. 

 

But in Daniel 8:13, 14, the host is trodden under foot for 2300 days, a longer period of time than the Gentiles trod down the holy city. The host, God's army of Joel 2 and 3, the 144,000, survive longer than the holy city (the apostate SDA church in this case). The murderous city (apostate Jerusalem) is destroyed earlier (Ezekiel 5), so it is not trod down as long as the host, the 144,000. The host, the 144,000, are trodden down from the time the church instructs its members to keep Sunday sacred, which is what Ellen White says the leaders will do. 

 

Meaning of the word HOST in Daniel 8:13 (God’s army of Joel 2—the 144,000):

Number 6635

Transliteration:

tsaba' {tsaw-baw'} or (fem.) ts@ba'ah {tseb-aw-aw'}

Word Origin:

from 6633

TWOT:

1865a,1865b

Part of Speech:

noun masculine

Usage in the KJV:

host 393, war 41, army 29, battle 5, service 5, appointed time 3, warfare 2, soldiers 1, company 1, misc 5

Total: 485

Definition:

1.    that which goes forth, army, war, warfare, host

1.    army, host

1.    host (of organised army)

2.    host (of angels)

3.    of sun, moon, and stars

4.    of whole creation

2.    war, warfare, service, go out to war

3.    service

TDNT - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
TWOT - Theological Word Book of the Old Testament

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:18 AM

Subject: Fw: You Tube - Iran's Destruction . . . THEN, 42 months of great tribulation!!!

 

Brother Paulo,

I realize that you wrote to me privately, but I am proffering these important considerations for the benefit of all.

The following events are just as much a part of Daniel 8 as any others. All Ellen White said that all the events will soon come to pass:

"The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai [Chapter 8] and the Hiddekel [Chapter 10], the great rivers of Shinar, are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass. {TM 112.3, 113}

 

So the great all consuming question remains: Does the following consist of EVENTS foretold by Daniel and does Lou Munilla consider them?

12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

 13Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

 14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Lou Munilla allows 42 months for the daily and the abomination of desolation and the host to be trodden under foot. Daniel mentions 2300 days.

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:07 AM

Subject: Re: You Tube - Iran's Destruction . . . THEN, 42 months of great tribulation!!!

 

Dear Brother Paulo,

 

The problem with the 42 month (ONLY) scenario is that Ellen White said that all the events of Daniel 8 will soon be fulfilled.  Though I fully accept the historic day for a year version, the 2300 days is certainly an event of Daniel 8 and Daniel says twice that the chapter is for the end-time, verses 17, 19. Ellen White said that all the events of that chapter will soon be fulfilled and if we accept only the historic version, all those events have already been fulfilled except the final cleansing of the Sanctuary which occurs at the close of probation. But let's suppose this is error.

 

There are more problems. From the time the Sabbath (Daily/Perpetual) is taken away (Sunday legislated) until the abomination that makes desolate is set up, the is 1290 days. Then when the abomination that makes desolate is set up, according to Revelation 13:5, he rules for 42 months. No death decree will be issued until he sits in the Holy Place ruling. Lou has all God's people rescued from any death decree.

 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Here is the huge problem that few see:

  • Per Daniel 12, if one reckons that the daily (Perpetual Sabbath removed) and the abomination that makes desolate (beast power) are set up at the same time, there will be a death decree 45 days after the beast power sits in the Holy Place or 45 days after  That is preposterous.
  • Per Daniel 12, if one reckons that the abomination of desolation (beast power) is set up 1290 days after the daily (Sabbath) is removed, then he must rule for another 42 months per Revelation 13:5. He cannot rule before he is set up. Do you see the problem? Lou's scenario does not recognize this problem.
  • Lou's scenario allows for no martyrs.
  • Lou's scenario speaks of only one death decree. There are two. One on day 1290 at which there are many martyrs, and one at the very end of time when Satan determines to rid the earth of the faithful in one night, at which time the 144,000 are rescued by the coming of Jesus. All are rescued at that time--no martyrs then!
  • Lou has all true Christians delivered by the ONE death decree he deals with and that is the one that comes in ONE NIGHT at the very end of time. That threatens the 144,000 only, for they are the only faithful Christians alive to be translated without seeing death at that time.
  • In Matthew 22:1-10, which Ellen White reapplies to our time, Sermon and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9, the murderous city is burned (destroyed) before the gospel is taken to the world--the highways. This will involve martyrdoms of which Lou seems totally unaware.
  • The gospel goes to the world (the highways) after going to the SDA church.

In the prefigure type of the last destruction of Jerusalem, Chapter 1, Great Controversy, p. 25, there was a 3 1/2 year time frame after the abomination of desolation (Roman soldiers on Jewish soil so many furlongs from Jerusalem and the Temple) first encroached. Nothing happened during that 3 1/2 year period except that the true Christians fled to the mountainous valleys surrounding the mountains of Pella, and Ellen White said these events were a prefigure. This was the respite time for faithful Jews to escape. The Roman General Cestius Gallus (the Roman General) landed on Jewish soil and then left. That was the respite at which all the faithful were to flee Jerusalem.

Then 3 1/2 years later, Titus returned and destroyed the temple and the city of Jerusalem. There was no setting up or ruling of the abomination that makes desolate during that 3 1/2 years from A.D. 66 to 70.

If that indeed was a prefigure type of what is going to occur in the future, then nothing will happen during the first 3 1/2 year period after the legislation of the Sunday law except that the gospel will be given as a Loud Cry to the church and the world. The Daily (Sabbath--Perpetual) will be taken away, but the abomination of desolation will not be set up until the end of that 3 1/2 year time per the type of A.D. 66-70. Then the abomination of desolation is set up in the holy place, Revelation 13:5 and he rules for 42 months. Thirty days after he is set up (the difference between the 1260 and the 1290) he issues the first death decree. This coincides with Titus' killing of the Jews in A.D. 70. The SDA church will experience an Ezekiel 9 slaughter, and we flee into solitary places of the mountains and/or other desolate places.

Daniel 12

 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

 4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 5Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

 6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

 7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

 9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Daniel 8

 1In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.

 2And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.

 3Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

 4I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

 5And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

 6And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

 7And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

 8Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

 9And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

 10And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

 11Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

 12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

 13Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

 14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 15And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

 16And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

 17So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

 18Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

 19And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

 20The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

 21And the rough goat is the king of Grecian: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

 22Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

 23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

 24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

 25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

 26And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

 27And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Revelation 13

 1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 9If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

 11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

                        Many Will Be Put to Death [Many Martyrs]

 

     The best thing for us is to come into close connection with God and, if He would have us be martyrs for the truth's sake, it may be the means of bringing many more into the truth.--3SM 420 (1886). {LDE 149.5}

 

      Many will be imprisoned, many will flee for their lives from cities and towns, and many will be martyrs for Christ's sake in standing in defense of the truth.--3SM 397 (1889). {LDE 150.1}

 

     There is a prospect before us of a continued struggle, at the risk of imprisonment, loss of property and even of life itself, to defend the law of God.--5T 712 (1889). {LDE 150.2}

 

     Men will be required to render obedience to human edicts in violation of the divine law. Those who are true to God will be menaced, denounced, proscribed. They will be "betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends," even unto death.--PK 588 (c. 1914). {LDE 150.3}

 

     We are not to have the courage and fortitude of martyrs of old until brought into the position they were in. . . . Should there be a return of persecution there would be grace given to arouse every energy of the soul to show a true heroism.--OHC 125 (1889). {LDE 150.4}

 

     The disciples were not endowed with the courage and fortitude of the martyrs until such grace was needed.--DA 354 (1898). {LDE 150.5}

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:09 AM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: You Tube - Iran's Destruction . . . THEN, 42 months of great tribulation!!!

 




The holy city (apostate SDA church) is trodden down for 42 months--the first 3 1/2 year period after Sunday is LEGISLATED (NOT ENFORCED). Then it is destroyed as a taunt and an instruction--Ezekiel 5 and Matthew 22:7, BEFORE the final call to the world. At the end of the first 3 1/2 years after Sunday is legislated, the church is destroyed. Matthew 22:7 and Ezekiel 9:6 are one and the same event.

 

But the true host, the 144,000, are trodden down and forsaken (Isaiah 62) for 2300 days because they exist until the very end of the tenure of the beast power. They are not members of the apostate church Sanctuary for the first 220 days of the trodding down by the Gentiles.

 

The intensity of true reformers being trodden down for 2300 days (from day 220 after Sunday is legislated to the end of time) increases after the apostate SDA church begins to betray the true reformers by reporting them to the Catholics as Ellen White has said they will do.

 

All blessings,

 

Ron

 

These responses have been to Lou Munilla’s teachings on this subject.


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