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Why I Would Not Believe in Adventism or the
Bible if I Did Not Believe in Ellen G. White and That the Veracity of Her
Writings Have Been Preserved by God “And he
gave some, apostles; and some,
prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the
perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of
the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the
knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the
stature of the fullness of Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-13. Click to go to our Home Page
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I received the following email from a friend in Brazil:
----- Original Message -----
From: Mateus Ferreira
To: 'Ron Beaulieu'
Sent: Sunday, March 11,
2012 5:37 AM
Subject: RES: cpyrghtable
Dear brother Ron,
Here in Brazil we face many accusations about
Ellen White, has a site
www.adventistas.ws who only speaks ill of her, including this week has
an article by P. Hottman, and as here we do not have much information is hard
to argue with them.
ABRs.
Maateus
Ron responds: I asked the Lord for guidance on how I should respond to
this serious issue. The Lord showed me in vision the following response to
Maateus (Matthew), and for that reason this is the best response you will ever
read in rebuttal to ANYONE who claims that Ellen White was not a true prophet.
At first thought, by the title of this document it might appear that I
am judging the Bible by Ellen G. White, but nothing could be further from the
truth. I am judging the Bible
by the Bible claim of Ephesians 4:11-13. God Almighty promised the gift of
prophecy to His church. If there is no
true body of God’s people with at least one true prophet amongst them, I would
not believe the Bible! Forget Ellen G. White, if Ephesians 4:11-13 is not
verifiable, God is a fake and a fraud as well!
Any person in the
world who disbelieves in, and calls Ellen White a fraud, a liar but who still
claims to believe the Bible and is a member of the professing Seventh-day
Adventist church, is a phony coward and a very foolish virgin, if he/she cannot
name another true church that has at least one true prophet in fulfillment of
Ephesians 4:11-13. Such persons are foolish virgins who are wise in their own
folly, because if they can’t substantiate Ephesians 4:11-13, they are dumb to
pretend to believe the Bible, and God’s Word says that if they don’t believe
there is a God (The God of the Bible), such a person is a fool!
Psa 14:1 [[To the
chief Musician, The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are
corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psa 53:1 The fool hath
said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done
abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.
So when you meet
someone who denies the gift of prophecy via Ellen G. White, ask them if they know
of another church who has another prophet they believe to be true. If they
cannot do that, ask them these questions:
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God’s
Word, Ephesians 4:11-14, promises the gift of prophecy “For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the
ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity
of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God.” What
church has that gift of prophecy?
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Are
all who claim to be Seventh-day Adventists in full unity as to what they believe?
Is the professing SDA church in complete unity?
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Are
you in unity with all SDA’s if you reject Ellen White?
·
Have
all the saints been perfected yet?
·
If
true Adventists don’t have the gift amongst them, how could they be the true
church—the edified true body of Christ?
·
If
you don’t know of a church that has the gift of prophecy amongst it, why do you
believe in God and the Bible?
·
Do
you know of another church that both: keeps the commandments of God and claims
to have a true prophet?
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Is
it not inconsistent and cowardly to believe in the God of the Bible and
Epehsians 4:11-13, and yet deny that those verses have been fulfilled?
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Who
would better fulfill the role of Ephesians 4:11-14, than Ellen G. White?
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Have
you read the defenses the church has made against the false internet claims
against Ellen White?
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Is
it foolhardy not to read the defenses of Ellen White (the other side of the
story), in light of all the issues presented in this document?
·
Do
you believe this admonition from God’s Word: Pro 29:18 Where
[there is] no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy
[is] he.
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Do
you believe this admonition from God’s Word? 2Ch 20:20 And they rose early in the morning, and went
forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood
and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the
LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe
his prophets, so shall ye prosper.
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Are
there a lot of cowardly foolish virgins around the world who claim to believe
in the Bible, but deny the fulfillment of the Bible promise of Ephesians
4:11-13?
The only option for any rational person who denies the gift of Ellen G.
White, would be agnosticism or atheism. This is the only proper and consistent
option for all who don’t accept Ellen G. White as a true prophet. Why? Because
if Ellen G. White is not a true prophet, the Bible is false as well! Some
former SDA’s like Ronald Numbers, have been consistent, honest and brave enough
to take this option. Ronald Numbers has declared himself an agnostic. http://omega77.tripod.com/speakagainstholyghost.htm
My friend Matthew, expresses what is largely the general consensus on
Ellen G. White in Brazil, but nowadays, that view is quite common everywhere
the world over! It seems strange to me that many members of the Adventist
church remain members while rejecting Ellen White. It seems strange to me that
most professing Adventists along with most Christians of the world claim to believe
the Bible, and yet deny the fulfillment of Ephesians 4:11-13!
If I could not prove the fulfillment of Ephesians 4:11-13 to myself, I
would not believe in the Bible or the God of the Bible! I have read widely in
the writings of Ellen G. White, and I am very thankful for the better
understandings of God’s Word that I have via Ellen G. White. If I did not
believe in the gift of Ellen G. White, I would consider myself a fool to
believe in the Bible and I would join the only honest Ellen G. White critic I
know of, Dr. Ronald Numbers, in being an avowed atheist.
Most of those who don’t accept Ellen White, have played the fool in not
reading the defenses against the statements they read by her critics on the
Internet. Some of those very good defenses include:
Answers to the Plagiarism Charge
http://www.ellenwhiteanswers.org/answers/plagarism
The Prophetic Ministry of Ellen G. White
by Herbert E. Douglass http://www.whiteestate.org/books/mol/motl.pdf
Defense of Ellen G. White by Devon Grey: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/egwcritics.htm
Understanding How the Books Were
Prepared: http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Bio-Hist/Messenge%20Lord/ML%2040.htm
(Click continue at the bottom of each
part of the document to read all of it).
Additional Consideration on this Issue
"The
woman is a symbol of the church, and the remnant of the church represents
the Christians of the last generation of men, living just prior to the second
advent. The dragon makes war on these for keeping the commandments of God,
Sabbath and all, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ, which, according to
the inspired definition of chap. xix, 10, 'is the spirit of prophecy.'
Here, then, are the causes of the dragon's warfare upon the remnant. They
teach the observance of the ten commandments, and the revival of the gifts, and
acknowledge the gift of prophecy among them. When the Devil got
one foot upon the fourth commandment, and the other upon the gifts planted in
the Christian church by Jesus Christ, then his satanic majesty was filled with
revengeful delight. But when the remnant, whom God designs to fit for
translation to Heaven without seeing death, 'ask for the old paths, where
is the good way, and walk therein,' then the dragon is wroth,
and makes war on them.
The true spirit of
the dragonic host, which is already being somewhat
developed, is vividly described in Isa. xxx, 8-13, as being manifested just
prior to the sudden destruction of those who hate the pure testimony, and love
smooth and deceitful things." E. G. White, Spiritual
Gifts, Vol. III, 26, 27.
“And it has been granted to her that she be dressed in bright, clean
fine linen (for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints).”
Revelation 19:8.
9 And he said to me, “Write:
Blessed are those who are invited to the banquet of the wedding celebration of
the Lamb!” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” 10 And I fell
down before his feet to worship him, and he said to me, “Do not do that![d] I
am a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who hold to the testimony of
Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit
of prophecy.” Revelation 19:9.
Ephesians 4
11And he gave some, apostles; and
some, prophets;
and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of
the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13Till we all come in the unity
of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto
the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1 Corinthians 14
1Follow after charity, and desire
spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2For he that speaketh in an
unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth
him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to
edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4He that speaketh in an unknown
tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the
church.
5I would that ye all spake with
tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth
than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may
receive edifying.
6Now, brethren, if I come unto
you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you
either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7And even things without life
giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds,
how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8For if the trumpet give an
uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9So likewise ye, except ye utter
by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken?
for ye shall speak into the air.
10There are, it may be, so many
kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11Therefore if I know not the
meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that
speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual
gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13Wherefore let him that speaketh
in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14For if I pray in an unknown
tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15What is it then? I will pray
with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with
the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16Else when thou shalt bless with
the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at
thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17For thou verily givest thanks
well, but the other is not edified.
18I thank my God, I speak with
tongues more than ye all:
19Yet in the church I had rather
speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others
also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20Brethren, be not children in
understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21In the law it is written, With
men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for
all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22Wherefore tongues are for a
sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying
serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23If therefore the whole church
be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in
those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24But if all prophesy, and there
come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is
judged of all:
25And thus are the secrets of his
heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and
report that God is in you of a truth.
26How is it then, brethren? when
ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a
tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto
edifying.
27If any man speak in an unknown
tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let
one interpret.
28But if there be no interpreter,
let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29Let the prophets speak two or
three, and let the other judge.
30If any thing be revealed to
another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31For ye may all prophesy one by
one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32And the spirits of the prophets
are subject to the prophets.
33For God is not the author of
confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34Let your women keep silence in
the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are
commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35And if they will learn any
thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to
speak in the church.
36What? came the word of God out
from you? or came it unto you only?
37If any man think himself to be
a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto
you are the commandments of the Lord.
38But if any man be ignorant, let
him be ignorant.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet
to prophesy, and forbid not to
speak with tongues.
40Let all things be done decently
and in order.
1 Corinthians 12
1Now concerning spiritual gifts,
brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried
away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3Wherefore I give you to
understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:
and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4Now there are diversities of
gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of
administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of
operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the
Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the
Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same
Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles;
to another prophecy;
to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to
another the interpretation of tongues:
11But all these worketh that one
and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12For as the body is one, and
hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one
body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all
baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or
free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14For the body is not one member,
but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because
I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16And if the ear shall say,
Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the
body?
17If the whole body were an eye,
where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18But now hath God set the
members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19And if they were all one
member, where were the body?
20But now are they many members,
yet but one body.
21And the eye cannot say unto the
hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of
you.
22Nay, much more those members of
the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23And those members of the body,
which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant
honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24For our comely parts have no
need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant
honour to that part which lacked.
25That there should be no schism
in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26And whether one member suffer,
all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members
rejoice with it.
27Now ye are the body of Christ,
and members in particular.
28And God hath set some in the
church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that
miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29Are all apostles? are all
prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more
excellent way.
Note: We are admonished to covet the best gifts and to covet to
prophesy.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
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Do
you friend, covet to prophesy?
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Do
you friend, covet the best gifts?
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Have
you read the following data? http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/fanniebolton.html
http://www.whiteestate.org/pioneer/davis.asp
http://omega77.tripod.com/defsdamov.htm
Also, I would like to demonstrate how some folk go very wrong by not
understanding certain aspects of Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy. In
Revelation 3:10-12, Philadelphia is promised she will be kept from the hour of
trouble that is to come upon the whole world. How will the members of the
original church of Philadelphia, circa A.D. 1, be alive to be preserved during
the greatest time of trouble at the end-time? The following document answers
what some regard as the disparity in Ellen White’s “food for worms” statement. http://omega77.tripod.com/houroftemptation.htm
In the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
—rwb