Internet Discussion on the Godhead #2

Friends, I should clarify that from past discussions with Janine, she made it clear that she does not believe that the Godhead consists of a trio of persons and she holds that only the Father is God and that Christ is just the Son of God and not equal with God the Father.

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 12:48 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: Fw: Trent & Protestantism (20)b, predestination

Janine,

You said that His son was surely deserving of this honor after his sojourn on earth. Consider that the Father instructed all the angels of God to worship when He was brought into the world.

Hbr 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Since God is Spirit and you and I admit the Father and Son share the same spirit, it seems to follow that they are ONE in Being and Substance.

The Father was the Testator of the Law because He says in Exodus 20:2, I am the Lord thy God, and He then gives the Ten Commandments. As I have stated many times, Scripture says that the death of the Testator must occur before a Testament is of any value. If the Son (in His original first estate) was not equal to the Father, then He died in vain because only the Testator's death could appease or substitute for the demands of the law.

Also, regarding creation, the Father said: "And God said, Let US make man in OUR IMAGE, after our likeness...: Gen. 1:26.

Rev. 14:7 says that God made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev. 4: 11, says that God (the Father in context) made ALL THINGS. I would then have to conclude that if the Son made ANYTHING, He was God because God made all things. Also, Ellen White says that both God and Christ were on Mt. Sinai delivering the Covenant. This would qualify Christ as Testator and make His death valid as satisfying the requirement that death of the Testator must occur before a Covenant --Testament is satisfied. These facts are most crucial to me, and I believe they should be of the greatest importance to every professing Christian.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Janine,

I do indeed see the DIVINE FATHER and the DIVINE SON as two separate beings as far as personage goes. They are two distinct and separate persons. However, the Son did come from the bosom of the Father, making them of the same DIVINE SUBSTANCE, as we have the same human substance. Their BEING is DIVINE because they are of the same DIVINE SUBSTANCE. They are so ONE in substance and BEING, however, that the DIVINE SON could fulfill the dictum of the Everlasting Covenant that the Testator, DIVINE GOD, must die in order that the Covenant be ratified.

Janine,

I truly believe that the TWO DIVINE BEINGS, being of ONE SUBSTANCE, makes their DIVINITY equal because of their perfect ONE SUBSTANCE. It is their ONE DIVINE SUBSTANCE that constitutes ONE GOD. But this enters the mystery of the Godhead which Ellen White refers to when she says that no man can understand the mystery of Godliness. Some believe they can. I agree with Ellen White that there is a point beyond which we cannot now understand the Godhead, and that this will be one of the mysteries that will be unfolded to us for eternity.

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From: Janine Jones

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 12:40 AM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: Fw: Trent & Protestantism (20)b, predestination

Ron, I have always thought of the word *God* as a name rather than as a title or description so to avoid confusion I prefer to use the word *divine* so I know what I am talking about.

Blessings

Janine,

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one (DIVINE) Spirit unto the (DIVINE) Father.

Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the (DIVINE) eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to (DIVINE) God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living (DIVINE) God?

Man may partake of the Spirit of DIVINE God, but he is not DIVINE THE SPIRIT OF GOD in essence and substance. Christ was DIVINE because He was of that ONE DIVINE SPIRIT.