Loving to Hate Ellen G. White!

Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth [it], it [is] folly and shame unto him.

1Cr 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

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It is really difficult for me to understand why anyone would be a Seventh-day Adventist while loving to hate and despise Ellen G. White. More and more, I hear of such a breed of “Christians” from around the world. There are folk who have read more of the works of Ellen White’s critics than they have read of her works, and that is what constitutes a folly and a shame on the part of such individuals.

I am going to prove in this document that one can find the very same type of discrepancies in the Bible that Adventists around the world are hating and despising Ellen White over! If these folk have half the bravery they demonstrate in condemning the gift of the Holy Spirit to the church, they should be able to demonstrate the same hate and discontent against God’s Word. And I am going to prove why this is pure truth! Read on friend! Try me!


----- Original Message -----

From: SP

To: Ron Beaulieu

Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:32 AM

Subject: Stumped in Tulsa

 

Hi Ron,

 

Happy Sabbath.

 

There is an almost universal problem within the SDA church as you are no doubt aware.

 

That is that there is hardly any SDA's who believe Ellen White was a true prophet.

 

When I was a member the pastor never spoke of Sister White from the pulpit and I doubt that has changed in the last four years.

 

Can you please write an article on how to convince SDA's that Ellen White was a true prophet and her words are still valid today.

 

To say Ellen White said, means nothing to these people today.

 

Stumped in Tulsa,

 

Steve P.

 

 

From another source in California:

 

You might be surprised to hear some of the comments that I get from SDA members of the apostate SDA church when I bring up statements from the Spirit of Prophecy. Here are some of the statements I have heard:

 

“Ellen White is DEAD!”

“You listen to her?!” meaning, I’m not going to listen to her!

“I go by what the Bible says only.” but when presented with what the Bible says they refused to accept it as truth also.

“It's all a farse” the investigative judgment and all the other doctrines.

“Adventists don't want to listen to that!” meaning the SOP.

“She copied everything I don't believe in her.”      

“I don't believe any of it.”

“We have been lied to for years.”

 

My (Ron’s) response is:

 

1.    Have you read the church’s defense of Ellen White, such as Francis D. Nichol’s  Answers to Objections that you may know both sides of any given issue? Is it fair to God and His prophetess Ellen G. White to read only her critics? Are her critics unfairly bias? http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/eBooks/EGWhite/Answers-to-Objections.pdf

2.    God promised the true church the gift of prophesy. If any member of the SDA church believes that church is the true church, then he/she should believe God’s Word that the gift of prophecy was given to that church. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord’s messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source which provide the church with comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the only standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

3.    God says to covet to prophesy: 1Cr 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

 

1Cr 14:4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. Is it reasonable to think that God instructs us to covet to prophesy, and that prophesy edifies the church, but that He would not give the gift of prophecy to the church?

 

God’s Word says that the gift of prophecy edifies the church more than any other gift:

 

Eph 4:11   And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 

 

Eph 4:12   For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 

 

Eph 4:13   Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 

Eph 4:14   That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 

Eph 4:15   But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ: 

 

Rev 12:17   And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 

 

Rev 19:10   And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. 

 

Isn’t it fascinating that the late Dr. Walter Martin, a very astute Evangelical read large portions of Ellen White’s writings in an attempt to discredit her, but then concluded that she was a godly, Christian woman.

 

"After reading the publications of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination and almost all the writings of Ellen G. White, including her Testimonies, the writer believes that Mrs. White was truly a regenerate Christian woman who loved the Lord Jesus Christ and dedicated herself unstintingly to the task of bearing witness for Him as she felt led.” Walter Martin, The Truth About Seventh-day Adventism, 112-114.

 

Walter Martin read more of Ellen White’s writings than most Adventists have, and he could not bring himself to declare, as many so-called Adventists have, that Ellen White was a false, dishonest prophet, and was a liar and an imposter! That’s like Balaam blessing Israel when he intended to curse it for Martin intended to brand Adventism as a cult in his forthcoming book Kingdom of the Cults, but he just could not do it! Nor could he brand Ellen White as being a false prophet.

 

I have read ALL of the Websites condemning Ellen White, and it is their operators who are dishonest and misleading in their gross misrepresentations. The persons who operate them are devoid of the spiritual discernment that would solve the many problems they pose as proof that Ellen White was a false prophet. I’ll give a classic example:

 

Ellen White told a group at one of her meetings in 1856, that some of them would be alive when Jesus comes, and some would be food for worms. Did you know that God has a similar “Food for Worms” statement in the Bible? Did you know that He promised Philadelphians in the first century that He would protect them through the greatest time of trouble known to man?! They’ve been dead for millenniums, yet God is going to protect them through the time of trouble described in Matthew 24:21! How did the mockers of Ellen G. White miss that one by God in the Bible?

 

There are many conundrums (apparent contradictions) in Scripture that are similar to the problems Adventists and non-Adventists cite concerning Ellen White’s writings. If the critics of Ellen White were as brave as they are in speaking against the Holy Ghost gift of Ellen White, they would also accuse God Almighty for all the apparent contradictions in Scripture that they cannot explain, to wit:

 

Why don’t you just condemn God for this one! What would Ellen White’s critics say if she wrote the following?

 

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

 

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

 

Then there are those who try to give answers to the contradictions:

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm

 

Ellen White said there are things in the Bible and in her writings that “appear” to contradict, but don’t when properly understood with the aid of spiritual discernment via the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

The Bible’s Counterpart to Ellen White’s Food for Worms Dilemma

 

Regarding Ellen White’s food for worms statement there is a solution that is positively fascinating. The late J. Wilfred Johnson, who was a professor at the SDA Canadian University College and head elder of the College Church for many decades, had a vision on regeneration of the bride of Christ, the 144,000. He saw that the character template of the bride of Christ of all ages, would be regenerated into a prepared body, such as Christ had a body prepared for Him, to prove that they would be faithful under the perfection of Satan’s artifices at the end-time. Without this provision of God, Satan could claim that if he had access to Christ’s disciples today, for example, that he could win them over or corrupt them. This vision has Biblical support. And the Biblical support presents an apparent dilemma not unlike Ellen White’s food for worms statement!

 

The Dilemma of Revelation 3

 

If some foolish virgin professing Seventh-day Adventists want to calumniate Ellen White for what they regard as “far fetched” apparent errors and contradictory statements, then they might as well indict God for the same thing because the Word of God has some things that are all as “apparently” unexplainable by those who lack spiritual discernment. So if you want to gun against God’s gift of the Holy Spirit to the church, you may as well gun against God Almighty, and the Bible, because you will go to the same place for doing either!

 

Let me tell you something positively fascinating. In Revelation 3:10-12, God tells Philadelphia that He will keep [protect] her from the hour of temptation that is to come upon ALL the world, to try them that dwell on the earth. That is obviously the time described in Matthew 24:21, the greatest time of trouble to ever hit planet earth, or Jacob's great time of trouble.

 

Now let me ask you a mind expanding question: This was addressed to literal Philadelphia, circa Christ's generation, and to those in succeeding generations who would constitute Philadelphia, or faithful, without guile, true Christians of every generation. Revelation 14:1-4.

 

Now, then, the all illuminating question: How are all those people "kept" (protected) from the time of trouble if they are not around to be "kept" or protected during that time because they died millenniums ago in some cases? Ellen White said some in 1856 would be alive when Jesus comes, and God topped that one by saying through John the Revelator that Philadelphians, circa 1 A.D. would be alive to be kept through the time of trouble that comes upon the entire world at the end-time! Wow! You castigators of Ellen White, don’t you just want to go out and burn your Bible right now?! Or is God a harder target than Ellen White? Is it easier to speak against the Holy Ghost than God Almighty? Is the Holy Ghost gift via Ellen White, a softer target for you?

 

Then in Rev. 3:12, we find that these same people (Philadelphians—circa 1 A.D.), are made pillars in the temple of God. Ellen White says that only the 144,000 go into the Temple of God on Mt. Zion, Early Writings, p. 19. She also says that it is the 144,000 who are translated without seeing death and that only they go into the Temple on Mt. Zion. The late J. Wilfred Johnson used to ask the question: “Is Jesus going to have to tell His disciples: Sorry, you cannot be my bride because you were born in the wrong generation,” when Ellen White says the disciples were the bride of Christ, Desire of Ages, 179, and that the bride of Christ is the 144,000 who are translated without seeing death!

 

So you begin to see that there are a lot of serious factors the small minded critics of Ellen White have not factored in because of their lack of spiritual discernment. And some who don’t have a whit of spiritual discernment mock Regeneration as reincarnation! They can’t explain the problem in Revelation 3:10-12, and they mock those who can! To such persons, John the Baptist would say: “Ye generation of vipers, who has warned you from the wrath to come?” Satan has a counterfeit for everything God does, and his counterfeit for Regeneration is reincarnation!

 

Now, if you are able to add one and one, you see the picture. Regeneration is absolutely necessary if Philadelphian's, who get the name New Jerusalem, verse 12, are to be the 144,000, translated without seeing death and be made pillars in the Temple on Mt. Zion. So, the Philadelphians go into the Temple and are made priests--the lesser priests, while Christ is the High Priest. Remember, it was Philadelphians in the first church of Philadelphia, to whom this promise was FIRST given. Will they be left out? Will they not be among the 144,000, so that they will be able to go into the Temple on Mt. Zion? Lights should be going on like fireworks! Enjoy! I was shown regeneration in vision BEFORE I understood this Biblical fact. I had to accept it by faith. You do not. You just have to "come and let us reason together." Beautiful is it not?! There is much to see that has never been seen by the surface readers.

 

So we see there are answers to problems we might think to be insolvent! By the fact of Regeneration of the bride of Christ, some of the very folk who were in Ellen White’s meeting in 1856, will be alive and translated without seeing death when Jesus comes! God’s Word venerates Ellen White’s Food for Worms statement! Amazing! Beautiful! Wonderful! Thank you Lord Jesus and your Holy Spirit which eventually teaches us all things if we consent to let you indwell us!

 

Then there was the much condemned statement by Ellen White saying there would be slavery at the end-time. Slavery is rampant all over the world, eg. sex slavery, and in the time of trouble Ellen White said God’s people will be scattered in foreign countries. In the last literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, A.D. 70, which Ellen White stated was a prefigure of the terrors of the last great day, GC, p. 25, BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, the SDA church, 5T 211, able bodied young Jews were taken to Rome as slaves. That same thing will occur again in the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. Men will be doing slave labor because they will not comply with Satan’s agenda.

 

What About the War With England?

 

The following link has an interesting response to Ellen White’s statement that England might attack during the Civil War. This link deals very well with a number of accusations against Ellen White.

 

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/faq-unus.html

 

Jesuits Believe Ellen White is the Only True Prophet of Any Church Today

 

Isn’t it positively fascinating that smart Jewish Jesuits believe Ellen White is a true prophet while many Adventists can’t stand the Holy Spirit gift to the church! Is that antichrist or not?! Is that anti God’s Word or not, when God promised the gift to the true church that keeps His commandments—Sabbath and all?! Is that speaking against the Holy Ghost, an act which continued in is unpardonable sin?!

 

Jesuits infiltrated the Catholic church during the Spanish inquisition as Maranos. They were forced to convert or else! Ignatius Loyola was a Jew. Dr. Walter Veith points this fact out on one of his Total Onslaught DVD’s.

 

Jewish Masons have taken over the Catholic church. They are represented by the ten-horned beast the whore sits upon in Revelation 17. Adventists thought they knew it all by identifying the whore as the Roman Catholic Church, but they stopped right there! They weren’t interested in the power that is indeed so POWERFUL that it is able to finally burn the whore and her Vatican Temple, to wit:

 

Rev 17:12   And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings [leaders of the New World Order], which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 

 

Rev 17:13   These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast [the whore of Rome]. 

 

Rev 17:14   These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful. 

 

Rev 17:15   And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore [Roman Catholicism] sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 

 

Rev 17:16   And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 

 

Listen to this Video which gives an account of a Jesuit saying that he has read all of Ellen White’s writings as part of his job, and he believes she is a true prophet:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM8EFNImcb0&feature=related

 

Satan and his agents are busy day and night falsely accusing the messengers God appoints to warn His people. Just about every day, I receive notice from one of Satan’s agents that I am a false prophet because I said last November (2011) that I predicted that war with Iran would come this fall. I said the very next day that I was not shown that, but based on what was/is occurring relative to Iran and Israel, I thought/think it could happen.

 

I said the very next day after posting the item on my Website, that I chose a poor phraseology in using the word “predict,” and I said that God did not show me Iran would be attacked, but that the way things were going I believe[ed] it would[will] occur this fall, but that I was not prophesying anything and God did not show me anything regarding this issue. I was using the word “predict” in the sense weather men predict the weather. They are not prophesying! Neither was I. But Satan keeps up his false accusations before the throne of God day and night.

 

The same Satanic agent once said on an SDA internet chat group that Ellen White was dead wrong on corporate responsibility when that concept is supported many times by the Word of God. The person regularly takes just the positive statements by Ellen White about the church—that he likes, and totally ignores the rest. If you ask him about her prophesied statement about the outcome of the church in Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199, 200, he won’t respond.

 

Ellen White said that such persons lack integrity and he surely does, as do all of Satan’s agents. People are doing the same thing to Ellen White’s writings. The same type of characters are like a Mrs. Burdick who falsely accused Ellen White to her dying day and will be eternally lost.

 

Some think those who are maligned should merely ignore the malicious charges of their adversaries, but Ellen White did refute some of her worse critics such as Miles Grant, Mrs. Burdick, Kellogg, Canright and others.

 

“Now the very ones who were deepest in fanaticism cruelly charge upon me that delusion which I had not the slightest sympathy with, but from which my soul recoiled. And I bore a straightforward testimony to condemn these fanatical movements from first to last. Mrs. Burdick has made statements which are glaring falsehoods. There is not a shade of truth in her statements. Can it be that she has repeated these false statements till she sincerely believes them to be truth?” {8MR 238.2}

 

“I hereby testify in the fear of God that the charges of Miles Grant, of Mrs. Burdick and others published in the Crisis are not true. The statements in reference to my course in 1844 are false.” {8MR 228.3}

 

There are folk today who would rather believe Mrs. Burdick, Miles Grant, Kellogg and/or Canright than the Holy Spirit gift to the church via Ellen White. May God have mercy on their foolish virgin souls.

 

Ellen White’s Copying

 

Contrary to the mistaken belief of some, no prophets words are of verbal inspiration unless God instructs them to say specific things. Prophets deal in concepts that God shows to them in vision.

 

Ellen White fully admitted that God showed her what to copy because of her lack of education. Her early speech and writing was very awkward to put it kindly, because of her lack of education. But no one else wanted to suffer the consequences of fulfilling God’s appointment of messenger to the church because of the calumny such office subjects one to. So God chose an uneducated person who was so defunct in letters that He showed her what to copy! And when I have gone through the authors from whom she copied from, I have always been amazed how God directed her in exactly what to choose to copy!

 

Two men, Hazan Foss and William Foy were given visions but they declined the position of being God’s messenger(s). So God chose the weakest of the weak and His people are wont to mock and deride God’s appointed messenger. That is something that by the grace of God I will never dare to do! That, my friends, is speaking against the Holy Ghost, and God’s Word says that is unpardonable sin. 

 

So mock away you who have chosen to judge and condemn God’s chosen messenger to His once chosen people! And please don’t waste your time trying to play church, because your fate is most likely already settled. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread, and I refer to the THRID ANGELS whom Ellen White defines as faithful men who select and bind the wheat for the heavenly garner.

 

God chooses weak and erring men, and those who refuse to heed God’s command to “covet to prophesy,” mock and deride those who do in an effort to aid God’s cause and to have a part in hastening the Lord’s coming by preparing a bride for Jesus Christ.

 

“Zeal for God and His cause moved the disciples to bear witness to the gospel with mighty power. Should not a like zeal fire our hearts with a determination to tell the story of redeeming love, of Christ and Him crucified? It is the privilege of every Christian, not only to look for, but to hasten the coming of the Saviour.” {AA 600.3}

 

2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 

 

 2Pe 3:11   [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness, 

 

 2Pe 3:12   Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 

 

How foolish it is to play church when one does not believe God’s Word that He would give the gifts of the Spirit to His church for the purpose of edification until we all come into the unity of the faith, and we’re not there yet friends!

 

Better have a prayerful look at the following YouTube videos friend and some of the parts between:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3f5Y5oDlL0&feature=relmfu

 

The Gift pt. 4: Answering the Critics of Ellen G. White

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5tBZykyWSI&feature=relmfu

 

The only wise course pursuant to the “apparent” discrepancies in the Bible and in the works of Ellen G. White, is to pray over problems you don’t understand and lay them on the shelf until you receive an answer from God or someone God is using to solve the problems that forever baffle the surface readers and they are legion! I will tell you frankly that if you believe Ellen White is a false prophet and you remain a member of the SDA church, you are one deluded pretender of Christianity! What you believe by such a stance is that God reneged on His promise to give the gift of prophecy to His church. So you are flying in the face of God’s Word, not just Ellen White!

 

Mark this point with care and certainty: Loving to hate Ellen G. White, is to love to hate God’s Holy Spirit gift to the remnant church! The Lord has shown this writer that all who speak against any of God’s appointed messengers are preparing for the outpouring of the final indignation, Revelation 14, for committing the unpardonable sin of speaking against the Holy Ghost.

 

I would just like to add my personal testimony as to how much a deep study of Ellen White for more than 30 years has enhanced my understanding of God and the Bible, and has edified my spiritual experience. I highly prize the writings of Ellen G. White. She made high contributions to any issue that is essential to salvation and spirituality in the personal life. Surely, as God’s Word promises, it is the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things, and many Adventists the world over have spurned the Holy Spirit’s teaching in the person of Ellen G. White. A terrible woe awaits all who persist in this sin against the Holy Spirit.

 

—rwb