One of the Most Serious Errors of Ernie Knoll’s Dreams Entitled

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Here is one of the most deceptive teachings amongst the dreams of one Ernie Knoll. The following quote is by an Ernie Knoll follower and is from the first and second paragraph at the following link:

“I first read a dream of Ernie Knoll many months ago. A large church with a variety of worship styles figured prominently in the dream. It was the Seventh-day Adventist Church in figure. Irreverence, fashion, anxiety over baptismal rates, and worldly music characterized a number of church sanctuaries within the large structure.

My values and ideas about the future were well expressed in the overall presentation. A shaking is coming that will remove unfaithful persons, restore reverential worship, and will lead to an influx of earnest Christians.” http://www.bibledoc.org/uncategorized/regarding-dreams-and-ernie-knoll-2/

Ron’s Commentary: The person commenting above got the same impression I did from Ernie’s dream about the SDA church. The dream pictures the shaking that will remove all the apostates rather than the faithful leaving the apostate church which is what transpired in the last A.D. 27-70 literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.

Ellen White said that the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 will begin at the SDA church, His Sanctuary, the House of Jacob, Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211. In that reference she says that men, maidens and little children will all perish without mercy. The chapter begins on page 207, quoting Ezekiel 9.

If should be a self-evident fact that if all the bad are shaken out of the church as Ernie’s dream depicts, Ezekiel 9 would not begin at that church. Ellen White said that the destruction does not begin until there is a separation from sin and sinners, so the good must absolutely separate from the apostate church before the destroying angel of Ezekiel 9 begins the destruction.

The great deception and danger relative to Ernie’s dream is that folk will remain with a church that is going to be destroyed and they will be amongst the destruction. There is a separation from sin and sinners BEFORE the destruction begins, just as there was in the prefigure (type) wherein all true Christians separated from the apostate church and organized home churches beginning decades before the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed in A.D. 70. The disciples began the separation in A.D. 34.

     “The angel with the writer's ink horn is to place a mark upon the foreheads of all who are separated from sin and sinners, and the destroying angel follows this angel (Letter 12, 1886).” {4BC 1161.5}

 

Ernie’s dream runs totally contradictory to the above statement which demands a separation from sin and sinners BEFORE the Ezekiel 9 slaughter occurs BEFORE the close of probation, for the same martyrdom that occurs as seed for fruit, takes place BEFORE the close of probation, and for apostate Jerusalem, the SDA church, it begins on day 1290 after the National Sunday Law. The slaughter will continue for 45 days until the 1335th day.

 

The fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 is TWOFOLD, first upon the apostate SDA church, and then the world. See page 26, The Great Controversy. The manifestation of Ezekiel 9 mentioned in GC pp. 653-656 is upon Babylon. Notice the context of page 653, last paragraph: Babylon is ripe for destruction, NOT JERUSALEM, the SDA church militant.. But judgment begins at God’s house, the House of Jacob, the apostate SDA church militant.

 

Proof absolute that the SDA church organization is not purged of tares is the following statement giving a prolepsis prophecy concerning the final and ultimate fate of the SDA organized church:

 

PROLEPSIS PROPHETIC STATEMENT:

 

Here is the Spirit of Prophecy prophesied prolepsis statement regarding the final fate of that once Noble Ship. This is a major LYNCHPIN to my warning message. Can you explain it away? Are you a passenger on this once NOBLE SHIP, that is about to sink to rise no more? NOTICE WHO SEPARATES FROM WHOM:

 

"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message,  symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

 

Note these important delineations in the above statement:

·       Ellen White is addressing HIS PEOPLE.

·       Ellen White is addressing those to whom God committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of Revelation 14.

·       Ellen White is defining the angel represented in prophecy as symbolizing a class of faithful men.

·       Ellen White is saying emphatically that the final Loud Cry message is delivered NOT BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men, because the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused light from heaven!

·       Ellen White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN BABYLON!

·       Twice Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.

·       It is the MEMBERS of said church that SEPARATE FROM GOD, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEPARATE FROM THEM OR BE CORPORATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR APOSTASY.

·       The above reasons are why there is another coming out of a faithful remnant FROM APOSTATE JERUSALEM AS WELL AS FALLEN BABYLON.

·       Isa 37:31   And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 

·       Isa 37:32   For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this. 

Ellen White is addressing a BACKSLIDING CHURCH whose leaders and laity alike failed and rejected light from heaven and who refused to comply with the conditions so that God's promises are not fulfilled to them.

 

Sinners are shaken out of Zion, but Zion is the church triumphant, Hebrews 12:22, 23, the bride of Christ, Isaiah 62:1-5, that is married. Now, here is Ernie’s deceptive dream that will lead many unwitting souls to remain at the apostate church to be slaughtered without mercy: 

THE SDA CHURCH

September 28, 2007

by Ernie Knoll

www.4hispeople.com

 http://www.formypeople.org/En/22_the_sda_church.shtml

In my dream, I am standing on a sidewalk looking at the right side of the front of a very large church. The church is massive in size. It appears that it must take up an entire city block because of its size. I notice there are many windows on the sides and more windows above these. I notice there are several very large columns in front of the church. The base of the columns are at the top of the steps and they extend way up to support the roof.

 

Suddenly, I feel a tap on my right shoulder and someone calls me by my heavenly name. I turn and see “The Herald” standing behind me. I immediately tell him I have several questions to ask him. He smiles a patient smile and says, “You always have questions.” The Herald says, “Come, I am to show you many things.”

 

We walk down the sidewalk and stand at the base of the many stairs that go up to the front of the church. I watch as many, many people begin walking up the steps. My angel points out that some of the men are not thinking about what they might hear in church or the blessing they will receive. Many are thinking about their job and what they need to do to excel to get a higher position. Others are thinking about how good they look all dressed up. Others are thinking of who they might meet to find a mate. I see others dressed as if going to a picnic or a ball game. Some are even dressed in sports jerseys.

 

I watch as many, many women ascend the steps wearing expensive stylish shoes. The outfits they have selected are inappropriate for church. Some wear dresses and skirts that are very short. Many have tops which are cut very low, exposing much of themselves. Others are wearing tight form fitting clothes. Some have painted toenails and fingernails. Many wear jewelry and proudly display their wedding rings. They sport the latest decorative hairdos that say, “Look at me; I’m beautiful.”

 

We climb the stairs and enter into the foyer of this large church. In the foyer, I find it is very noisy. I see vending machines along the walls. There are also aluminum and wood carts offering tea, milk and coffee as well as bagels, pastries and a small assortment of very ripe fruit.

 

I notice that there are many sanctuaries that branch off from the foyer. My angel and I enter the first sanctuary and I notice many people inside. We listen as the preacher is explaining, “Jesus paid for each of us on the cross. We’re saved; don’t worry about a thing. We have been saved in our sins.” He continues, “All we have to do each day is ask for forgiveness and we will have eternal life. We are not to worry if we sin again as Jesus has paid for our right to be in heaven.” The people exclaim together, “Amen! Sin and be forgiven; Jesus has saved us.”

 

We leave this sanctuary and enter the next. In this sanctuary there is a large baptistery up front. I notice this sanctuary is filled with many people. There is a long line of people waiting to go up the stairs to the baptistery to be baptized. I see above and to the right of the baptistery a large digital counter, like a scoreboard, that increments each time an individual is baptized. I watch as some in line to be baptized are carrying suitcases. Others are carrying shopping bags full of items they just purchased at the store. The bags contain food items, reading material and other things a Christian would not bring with them to church, especially when they are going to be baptized. I see some with cigarettes in their pockets and still others eating unclean foods as they stand in line. I watch as individuals are placed under the water and then handed off to climb out of the baptistery. I see men in black suits discussing the counter. I know these are important men connected with the church. I hear them discuss how the counter needs to increase faster. I watch as they decide to place more helpers in the baptistery to move the people in, under and out faster. They exclaim, “IN, UNDER and OUT!” I watch as the counter goes faster. I notice the water they are in is very dirty as are those in the water. As they come out of the water, they are still dirty, but have now picked up additional dirt from others who have been previously baptized. I look at their faces and they appear tired and not very happy. I look to my angel and begin to cry and shake my head.

 

We leave this sanctuary and return to the foyer. My angel and I stop for a bit and he says, “Do not cry. I have been sent to show you these things. Conserve your courage.”

 

We then go to the next sanctuary where I notice a banner over the door which says “Team Church.” In the sanctuary I see that the pews have been removed and recliners installed. I see many visiting and talking. They are wearing football, baseball, basketball and other sports related clothing. Up front, the pastor is wearing his favorite team’s uniform. I hear him exclaim, “Jesus will beat the opposing team. We have a victory at his touch down, the game is won!” I hear the people cheer, holding their drinks and snacks up, saying, “Go team Jesus.” My angel and I walk back out to the foyer, where my angel reaches up and takes hold of the banner – beginning to pull it away. I notice underneath the words that begin,The Problem of Many Athletic Sports.... {1} Adventist Home page 500.

 

As I begin reading this, several men, seeing us do this, become very angry and begin placing the banner back up.

 

We then walk to the next sanctuary and find the pastor talking very smoothly to the many people. He is preaching that all we need is love and grace. We need not worry about anything else, just love and grace. I watch as he uses certain hand and arm movements, slowly walking from one side of the platform to the other. The people become very relaxed. He speaks about only certain parts of the Bible and shares how we are to learn new ideas. He speaks of a “Community of Faith” and of “innovation.” I see the people are listening; but they are lulled into a sleepy stupor. As we leave this room, I look up to my angel with a disgusted look.

 

We walk into another sanctuary where once again I see that there are many people. They are standing and singing. There is a large screen up front that has words displayed on it. As the people sing, they raise their hands and wave them back and forth. The song they are singing constantly repeats itself. There is no verse of inspiration. I then see many step out into the aisle where they begin slowly walking up and down, singing and waving. Gradually they begin skipping, and after a little more time they begin running up and down the aisle proclaiming that they have the “spirit.” They begin speaking with unintelligible languages. I look to my angel and ask if we may leave.

 

We walk to the next sanctuary and I find there are very few people inside. The few that are there are sitting quietly and listening intently. The pastor is speaking of preparing for the coming of Jesus. He talks from the heart. I look to my angel and I smile. He puts his left hand on my right shoulder and says, “Look closely at the pastor.” As I look I notice that a very bright light is shining down on him from heaven. I notice what looks like a flame is burning on top of his head. I see many angels carrying books. They are instructing him what to say.

 

We leave this sanctuary and return to the foyer. We walk past many other sanctuaries, the vending machines, and the many carts of tea, milk, coffee, bagels and pastry. We walk out of this massive church building. The Herald looks at me and asks, “May I have your hand?” I hold up my right hand to him and he takes a firm hold. We ascend into the air about a hundred feet. We turn, and for the first time I see the entire front of this massive church. I notice the large pillars that support the roof. Just below the roof is a large sign, deeply engraved with the words “SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.”

 

He looks at me and says, “Hold strong to your faith.” As I watch, the church suddenly starts shaking left and right, forward and backward. The whole church begins twisting from side to side. I watch as many people are thrown from the windows. Many come running out and down the steps. I see the vending machines and pastry carts tumble out and down the steps. I see many, many people falling and rolling down the steps. I watch as this large building shakes. {2} I expect to see it crumble to the ground. {3} I squeeze my angels hand as I am afraid of what is going to happen to my church. He looks at me and says, “Hold tight to your faith.” As suddenly as it began, the shaking stops. I look and see that the many large pillars are still intact. We descend back to the ground and stand on the top step. I notice there is no damage to the steps. I turn and see many people now walking up the steps of the church. Their appearance is modest and many are singing an inspirational hymn. I notice all have laid self aside and are focused on Jesus. All worldly thoughts are put away. I watch as they enter the foyer. We walk into the foyer and notice that some are quietly whispering and there is a sense of reverence throughout the long foyer.

 

Ron's commentary: Knoll's is obviously referring to the great shaking that will occur in the SDA church. He is teaching just as Adventists have errantly taught since Ellen White's demise--that the bad will be shaken out of the church. Were that true, there would be no need of any LITERAL Ezekiel 9 slaughter. That directly contradicts Ellen White's statement that Ezekiel 9 will have a future LITERAL FULFILLMENT, because any LITERAL FUTURE FULFILLMENT would have to be antitypical of the last literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. Were apostate Jewish synagogues and the Temple at Jerusalem cleansed by the bad leaving? Nay. They were rather gathered into the midsts of those apostate churches for burning and melting, Ezekiel 22:17-31. Not ONE faithful man was left therein. The true people left and formed home churches.

 

My angel and I begin going from sanctuary to sanctuary. I notice that each service is reverent, and each pastor is teaching the way to Jesus. My angel and I continue to the sanctuary where they were baptizing people. I notice here that ministers are praying and studying with each individual before they get in line. I see there is a room where the individuals go to get rid of their suitcases and shopping bags. There is a trash receptacle where they throw away their cigarettes and other tobacco items. I watch as an individual slowly walks into the baptistery. The minister stands next to them. He speaks of the commitment they are about to make before not only to those watching, but all of heaven. As the individual is lowered under the water I notice they are dirty. My angel directs me to look up. As I look up through the roof and all the way through the sky to heaven, I see angels cheering and singing as each individual is baptized. I look back at the individuals as they slowly exit the baptistery. I notice that as they come out, they are very clean. The garments they are wearing are bright white and their faces beam with happiness.

 

Ron's commentary: Again, were this to occur, there would be no need of any literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, Ezekiel 9:6 and Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.

The principle of corporate responsibility would be null and void. We could remain in any fallen church as long as we kept our individual church pure. See General Conference President Ted Wilson’s statement on Corporate Responsibility: http://omega77.tripod.com/tedwilsoncorporateresponsibility.htm

 

As we continue down the foyer to each sanctuary, I notice that the church stood without any damage. There is not even a crack in the walls. I think of how I watched as this building twisted and shook and how I was so afraid that it would fall.

 

Ron's commentary: Brian's suggestion to me was that only one sanctuary was reformed and purified. That is not true Brian. In the above statement by Ernie, he speaks of the church as a whole IN THE ALPHA OF APOSTASY. Ernie is making the huge mistake of applying what occurred in the Alpha to the Omega and Ellen White said that the Omega was to be far worse and that nothing would be allowed to stand in its way. (1SM 204-205). According to Ernie, each sanctuary was shaken of all its bad and stood without any damage. Ernie is repeating Ellen White's vision concerning the Alpha of Apostasy. That is what occurred in the Alpha, but that is not what occurs in the Omega of Apostasy! Nothing is allowed to stand in the way of the New Movement--1SM 204-5.  That is why Ezekiel 9 begins LITERALLY at His Sanctuary, the SDA churches around the world. Here is Brian's statement that ONLY ONE SANCTUARY WAS INVOLVED:

The real clincher is the principle of corporate responsibility. Even if one Sanctuary did not personally commit apostasy, they would be responsible for the apostasy of the leaders of the corporate church, for Ellen White indicts them as being RING-LEADERS in the apostasy, and she says the same thing about Israel’s leaders. God says the same thing in Isaiah 9:16, to wit:

 

The prime reason for any separation that ever occurred “in every succeeding generation since Christ’s withdrawal from Jerusalem” (Desire of Ages, 232), has been corporate responsibility. Adventists came out of the apostate churches of 1844, because of their error. Why did Adventists now dwell with those “open sinning apostate tares until the harvest?” Because God says it is impossible to unite with the tares and remain/become pure, to wit:

 

"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.  

 

Individual and corporate responsibility:

 

Luke 11:50 Luke 11:49-51 “Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, Luke 11:50-52 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation [Corporate responsibility] will be held responsible for it all.

 

In the Old Testament, all Israel was cursed because of Achan’s sin. Joshua, Chapters 6 and 7, and those who knew about it and said nothing (who did not sigh and cry about it) died with Achan.

 

"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 269. 

 

 

God’s church is considered as ONE CORPORATE BODY. When Christ addresses the seven churches of Revelation 2 and 3, He does not distinguish between good and bad individual churches within the organization. For example, the message to Laodicea is a message to the entire church, and Ellen White’s appeals to Laodicea follow that same principle.

 

"The names of those who sin and refuse to repent should not be retained on the church books, lest the saints be held accountable for their evil deeds. Those who pursue a course of transgression should be visited and labored with, and if they then refuse to repent, they should be separated from church fellowship, in accordance with the rules laid down in the Word of God." {11MR 208.3}

 

This is so crucial. If open sinners refuse to repent and they are retained in the church, all others (INDIVIDUALLY—CORPORATELY) are held accountable (responsible) for their evil deeds. This is according to the rules (principles) of God’s Word.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: luke19v10

To: remnantSDA@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:37 PM

Subject: [remnantSDA] Re: Difficult Bible verse

 

Ron, there was once [one] sanctuary depicted before the shaking in the dream that had not apostatized.

"We walk to the next sanctuary and I find there are very few people inside. The few that are there are sitting quietly and listening intently. The pastor is speaking of preparing for the coming of Jesus. He talks from the heart. I look to my angel and I smile. He puts his left hand on my right shoulder and says, "Look closely at the pastor." As I look I notice that a very bright light is shining down on him from heaven. I notice what looks like a flame is burning on top of his head. I see many angels carrying books. They are instructing him what to say."

How do you explain this?

Brian

Ron responds: I have answered Brian (above). Also, Ellen White’s statement about the final fate of the church totally contradicts Ernie’s contention that one SDA church that was part of the system did not sin:

 "Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy,  vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

 

Note from the above statement:

·       Ellen White is addressing HIS PEOPLE.

·       Ellen White is addressing those to whom was committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of Revelation 14.

·       Ellen White is defining the angel represented in prophecy AS DELIVERING THIS MESSAGE--NOT MEN OF BABYLON WHO FAILED TO ACCEPT THAT MESSAGE AS THE 1911 EDITION IMPLIES!

·       Ellen White is implying that the third angel's message is delivered NOT BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men because the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused light from heaven!

·       Ellen White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN BABYLON!

·       And twice Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.

 

Ellen White is addressing a BACKSLIDING CHURCH whose leaders and laity alike who failed and rejected light from heaven and who refused to comply with the conditions so that God's promises are not fulfilled to them. End Ron’s comment.

 

The Herald and I turn, walk outside and down the steps. I look at him and ask when this will happen. He smiles a loving smile, and again, as in other dreams, I notice his dimples. He puts a hand on each of my shoulders and says, “After you awake, prepare what I have shown you. Send it to Sister Z. She will serve in editing. When she is finished she is to have her husband review it. He will know if anything has been left out as he has already been shown. When he is in agreement with what has been prepared, it is to be sent straightaway to Brother S for posting for His people”. I asked the Herald if Brother Z has received the dream. He said that many are shown and they share. Many are shown and they are afraid to share. Many are shown and they do not recall. Many are shown and they recall after the appointed time. And many are shown through the Father’s Spirit.

 

The Herald calls me by my heavenly name and says, “You are to now awake and share what I have shown you.”

 

Ron's commentary: Notice the angel does not answer Ernie's quest as to WHEN this will happen. Interesting!

 

1. Adventist Home, p. 500

The Problem of Many Athletic Sports.--Vigorous exercise the pupils must have. Few evils are more to be dreaded than indolence and aimlessness. Yet the tendency of most athletic sports is a subject of anxious thought to those who have at heart the well-being of the youth. Teachers are troubled as they consider the influence of these sports both on the student's progress in school and on his success in afterlife. The games that occupy so much of his time are diverting the mind from study. They are not helping to prepare the youth for practical, earnest work in life. Their influence does not tend toward refinement, generosity, or real manliness.

     Some of the most popular amusements, such as football and boxing, have become schools of brutality. They are developing the same characteristics as did the games of ancient Rome. The love of domination, the pride in mere brute force, the reckless disregard of life, are exerting upon the youth a power to demoralize that is appalling.

     Other athletic games, though not so brutalizing, are scarcely less objectionable because of the excess to which
they are carried. They stimulate the love of pleasure and excitement, thus fostering a distaste for useful labor, a disposition to shun practical duties and responsibilities. They tend to destroy a relish for life's sober realities and its tranquil enjoyments. Thus the door is opened to dissipation and lawlessness with their terrible results.

2. John 2:13-16 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:  And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

 

Ron's commentary: Jesus cleansed the apostate Jewish temple during His ministry on earth, but that did not stop its destruction some 40 years later in A.D. 70 when the Romand began with the Temple and then destroyed the city proper of Jerusalem, Chapter 1, The Great Controversy, and the following statement from the SDA Bible Commentary:

Jews flee before A.D. 70 fulfillment of Ezekiel 9:

 

“In the autumn of A.D. 66, Cestius next concentrated his entire force upon Jerusalem.  He arrived during the celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles, and although it was Sabbath, the Jews abandoned their religious rites and rushed out to attack Cestius’ troops.  To the amazement of both Romans and Jews, they broke the Roman ranks.  Indeed, Josephus declares that only a flank attack by a force of footmen and cavalry saved Cestius’ forces.  More than 500 Roman soldiers were killed whereas the Jews lost only 22 men (War ii. 198, 2 [519]).  At this point Agrippa sent an embassy to the Jews; their reaction was to attack his representatives, killing one and wounding the other.  Encouraged by a promise of the royalist party in Jerusalem to open the gates for him, Cestius then gathered his troops to a fresh assault, and penetrated as far as the north wall of the Temple.  Then an astounding thing happened: Cestius withdrew his troops, and placed himself strategically in such a poor position among the Judean hills that the Jews were able to attack him and kill more than 5,000 infantry and nearly 500 cavalry, including many officers, as well as to capture much materiel. 

A Lull in the Storm. [The respite]— The defeat and withdrawal of Cestius gave many of the conservative Jews a chance to flee from Jerusalem.  Some of them joined Agrippa, others sought quiet in country places, and still others left the country entirely.  It was at this time that the Christians in Jerusalem fled in accordance with the warning of Jesus recorded in Matt. 24:15-19.  According to Eusebius, the 4th-century historian, the Christians in Jerusalem had been warned by prophets before the war began that they should leave the doomed city and find refuge at Pella in Peraea.  They now took this opportunity to make good their escape (Ecclesiastical History iii. 5, 3).” SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, 74, 75.

 

     “The future was mercifully veiled from the disciples. Had they at that time fully comprehend the two awful facts-- the Redeemer's sufferings and death, and the destruction of their city and temple--they would have been overwhelmed with horror. Christ presented before them an outline of the prominent events to take place before the close of time. His words were not then fully understood; but their meaning was to be unfolded as His people should need the instruction therein given. The prophecy which He uttered was twofold in its meaning; while foreshadowing the destruction of Jerusalem, it prefigured also the terrors of the last great day. {GC 25.3}

Ron's commentary. The destruction of Jerusalem was learly a prefigure. It prefigured TWO THINGS:

·       The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. So it was a TYPE of the next literal antitype of the fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.

·       The terrors of the last great day.

 

3. Maranatha, p. 203

Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme. The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out--the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths.... The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of holiness amid the surrounding apostasy.

 

Ron's Commentary: Whoever contributed the above statement by Ellen White, Ernie or Brian?, does not understand who Zion is. Zion is the church triumphant. Sinners are shaking out of Zion by Zion. Jesus and His separated church were Zion. No apostate church ever qualifies as Zion, for in Isaiah 62:1-5, Zion is married. Great Controversy, pp. 426-7 say that Zion is the bride of Christ and that the people of the church are guests and if guests they cannot be the bride. The ten virgins are guests. They are ALL TEN awakened by the voice of God AND THE BRIDE, Christ's Object Lessons, pp. 405-6. This is supported by the Bible in Ezekiel 20:34-38, wherein the rebels are shaken out of the kingdom of heaven by a church triumphant that is brought into covenant relationship with Christ. They are the 144,000. 

If Ernie and Brian are correct, then Ellen White is thus made a false prophet by her following description of the final result of the church. I repeat for important emphasis: 

 "Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy,  vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

 

Note from the above statement:

·       Ellen White is addressing HIS PEOPLE, HIS CHURCH, THE ENTIRE CHURCH.

·       Ellen White is addressing those to whom was committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of Revelation 14.

·       Ellen White is defining the angel represented in prophecy AS DELIVERING THIS MESSAGE--NOT MEN OF BABYLON WHO FAILED TO ACCEPT THAT MESSAGE AS THE 1911 EDITION IMPLIES!

·       Ellen White is implying that the third angel's message is delivered NOT BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men because the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused light from heaven!

·       Ellen White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN BABYLON!

·       And twice Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.

 

—rwb