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----- Original Message -----
From: mateus
To: 'Ron Beaulieu'
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: RES: Apostasy
Brother Ron;
Something got me
disturbed in their e-mail;
"It is the
new movement that will be destroyed in the Ezekiel 9 slaughter. That
destruction must involved the literal Sanctuary and not stray individuals who
leave that church because in the last literal fulfillment, A.D. 27-70, the
literal apostate Sanctuary was involved. Literal fulfillment then must equal
the literal fulfillment in the future per Ellen White's prophecy. "
If Ezekiel 9: 4
" And told
him the LORD: passes through the city, by means of Jerusalem, and mark it with
a sign the foreheads of the men who yearn and groaning because of all the
abominations that is taking place in her midst. "
"Men who
yearn and groan" are still in Jerusalem, Jerusalem here applies to modern
Israel, understand that there is no separation, because those are sealed in
Jerusalem. I believe we must stay until the end.
Have a problem
here!!!
Abrs.
Matthew
Ron responds to Matthew.
Dear
Matthew,
I realize that Gar has engaged in a campaign to deceive you and all
Adventists. Gar cannot discern the following facts because he has rejected them
for about ten years now, and Ellen White says that when we reject light, we go
into darkness in proportion to the light we reject. Therefore, Gar believes
that the Jews of Christ’s day were sealed by an apostate Synagogue of Satan. He
believes that true and faithful Adventists will be sealed at an apostate
Adventist church today, when the only ones sealed will be sighing and crying
for all the abominations of the current professing SDA church. Let us reason
together Matthew:
· The SDA church has
abominations that we must sigh and cry about in order to be sealed.
· How could a church
with such abominations have the virtue to seal anyone?
· How could the apostate
Jewish church of Christ’s day, who crucified Him, have any virture to mark or
seal anyone for Christ?
· The disciples of
Christ were told that whomever they bound (sealed) on earth, would be bound
(sealed) in heaven. That was the sealing in Jerusalem and in all the other Christian
churches, the first of which outside of Jerusalem, was at Antioc. But actually,
the first Christian church was Christ and His disciples in Jerusalem, But
Christ had gathered them out, DA, 232. And He separated Himself, ibid.
· The disciples formed
Christian home churches in many places outside of Jerusalem. They bound those
members for the heavenly Kingdom. No one was MARKED/SEALED at the apostate
Synagogye of Satan which Jesus Himself had separated from 3 ½ years before His
crucifixion. DA 232. Then the veil was rent in the Temple (at His crucifixion)
and God’s presence departed in A.D. 30. So what Godly presence was there to
MARK/SEAL anyone remaining as a member of the apostate Temple organization?
· Jerusalem is a generic
term designating God’s people. It applies to His true people as well as the apostate
people who profess Him. See Isaiah 62 for the word Jerusalem. The disciples had
their headquarters in Jerusalem as well.
The 70 weeks (490 years--day for a year) of probation for the Jews,
Daniel 9:24, ended in A.D. 34. The bride of Christ (the disciples--Desire of Ages, 179) and some 3,000 followers, were
sealed on the Day of Pentecost in 31 A.D. Just prior to the Day of Pentecost
the disciples had been hiding (in the upper room) from the Jews for fear
of them. So the Temple and the apostate Jews and the city of Jerusalem had no
virtue in any Ezekiel 9 sealing of the Jews except that the disciples were
to go to the Jews first. Their first two calls of Matthew 22:1-10 were to the
Jews. After those calls were rejected, they went into the highways of the world
to others to call them to the wedding feast.
It
is very important to remember that at the crucifixion of Christ, the
veil was rent in the Temple. This signified that the presence
of God had departed in A.D. 30. So there was no virtue in that
apostate Temple church that had crucified Christ, to mark or seal anyone. Not
one true Christian was ever sealed by the apostate Jews and their Temple
system referred to by Christ as the Synagogue of Satan. True and faithful
Jews were to sigh and cry for all the abominations of that Temple. So how could
an abominable Temple and people have any virtue to mark or seal anyone for the
Kingdom of God? NO ONE WAS EVER SEALED BY THAT APOSTATE ABOMINABLE TEMPLE
SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
It
was the disciples and 3,000 of their followers who were marked/sealed by the
Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost. The disciples were "gathered
out" as the first act of Jesus' ministry in A.D. 27, Desire of Ages, 232. Christ had separated from that
apostate Temple:
“Christ was a protestant. He protested
against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of
God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the
commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited
sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and
corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and
separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and
his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as
presented by Christ and the apostles. The
Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers
remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their
pretensions and rebukes their idolatry.
{RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}
If Christ and His apostles CAME OUT AND
SEPARATED THEMSELVES FROM A RELIGION OF FORMS AND CEREMONIES, how could they
have been sealed by the apostate Jerusalem Synagogue of Satan Temple? So why
did Jesus tell His disciples to remain (tarry) in Jerusalem till they received
power from on high, WHICH OCCURRED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST? Because they were
to go to the Jews first to gather them out into home churches.
It is of crucial importance to realize the
truth that though the disciples were told to tarry in Jerusalem until they were
imbued with power from on high (the outpouring of the Holy Spirit), the
following facts of history should never be forgotten:
·
Jesus had “gathered out” those
who would take the gospel to the world as the first act of His ministry in A.D.
27, Desire of Ages, 232.
·
Jesus Himself left
Jerusalem, Desire of Ages, 232, to go to others who would receive His
teachings, Desire of Ages, 232.
·
On the Day of Pentecost when
the disciples and 3000 others received power from on high (the outpouring of
the Holy Spirit), the disciples had been hiding in the upper room of a man’s
house for FEAR OF THE JEWS. That was in A.D. 31.
·
The presence of God had
departed when the veil was rent in the Temple at Christ’s crucifixion, in A.D.
30.
·
Before Jesus’ death He
referred to the apostate Temple Jews as the Synagogue of Satan. What virtue
would Satan’s synagogue have to MARK/SEAL anyone?
·
Can anyone name one person
who was sealed at and by the Synagogue of Satan?
·
If one had to remain a
member of the apostate church (Jerusalem) to be sealed, how were the disciples
marked when they and Christ has separated? (Proof statement further down in my
response?)
·
There was a true Jerusalem
church Headquarters in Jerusalem, a True Zion—the headquarters of the
disciples. This is also born out in Isaiah 4:1-4, where we are told to remain
in Jerusalem, but in Isaiah 37:31, 32 a remnant is goes forth OUT OF JERUSALEM,
that is: apostate Jerusalem. But we remain in true Adventism, true Jerusalem,
the pioneer Adventist belief.
·
In every succeeding
generation true reformers have left the church of their fathers for one reason
cited: The leaders would not tolerate light. DA 232.
“Christ was a protestant. He protested
against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of
God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the
commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited
sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and
corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and
separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his
followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as
presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and
his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes
their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry.
{RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}
Paul left
"And as they persisted in their
rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake
boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things
concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not,
but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and
separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus."
Acts, 19:8, 9.
"Fearing that the faith of the believers
would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth,
Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct
body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.
"The recreant priests added
licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by
their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come
into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course
of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the
appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at
last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this
would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the
abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol.
1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.
Shiloh was the first civilized settlement of
the Jews after they came out of their wandering in the Sinai for 40 years. Even
that far back in time, faithful Jews were sacrificing and worshipping at home
because of the apostasy of their leaders at the appointed place of worship.
"The Sanhedrin had rejected
Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from
Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who
had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His
message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.
As the light and life of men was rejected by
the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected
in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's
withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word
of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established
church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that
bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In
our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their
spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready
to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow
in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they
love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times
those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the
church of their fathers, that they may render obedience."
E.G. White, Desire
of Ages, 232.
"And as they persisted in their
rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake
boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things
concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not,
but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and
separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus."
Acts, 19:8, 9.
"Even though you may not be able to
speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your
withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with
those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to
associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a
Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of
Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates,
while you listen to their devices makes you one with them. Come out from among
them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I
will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and
daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p.
42.
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy
city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation
for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the
vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Scripture on Home Churches
Act
16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his
house.
Act
16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and
rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Act
16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia:
and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.
Act
18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named
Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
Rom
16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved
Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
1Cr
1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are
of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Cr
16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the
firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry
of the saints,)
1Cr
16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in
the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
If
the Jews were MARKED/SEALED at the apostate Temple, or its court, why were they
“gathered out” into home churches? Why did Jesus and His apostles separate? DA
232.
Biblical narrative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost
A depiction
of the Descent of the Holy Spirit in the Rosary Garden of San Carlos Seminary,
Guadalupe Viejo, Makati City, Philippines.
The biblical narrative of
Pentecost is given in the second chapter of the Book of Acts. As recounted in
Acts 2:1-6:[4]
And when
the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one
place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind,
and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto
them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they
were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as
the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews,
devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad,
the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard
them speak in his own language.[5]
While those on whom the
Spirit had descended were speaking in tongues, the disciple Peter stood up with the eleven and
proclaimed to the crowd that this event was the fulfillment of the prophecy
("I will pour out my spirit") inJoel 2:28-29: Acts 2:41 reports: "Then they
that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added
unto them about three thousand souls."
[edit] Location of the first Pentecost
The Cenacle on Mount Zion, claimed to be the location of the Last Supper and Pentecost. Bargil Pixner[6] claims the original Church of the
Apostles is located under the current structure.
Traditional interpretation
holds that the Descent of the Holy Spirit took place in the Upper Room, or Cenacle while celebrating the day of Pentecost
(Shavuot). The Upper Room was first mentioned
in Luke 22:12-13 ( "And he
shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went,
and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover."). This Upper Room was to
be the location of the Last Supper and the
institution of Holy Communion.
The next mention of an Upper Room is in Acts 1:13-14, the continuation of
the Luke narrative, authored by the same biblical writer. Here the disciples and women wait and pray for the
"baptism of the Holy Ghost" (See
Acts 1:5) promised by Jesus:"And
when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both
Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and
Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of
James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the
women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." It is
assumed then that in Acts 2:1-2 , "And when the
day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it
filled all the house where they were sitting.", "they"
refers to the aforementioned disciples and women,; the "place"
referring to the same Upper Room where these persons had "continued
with one accord in prayer and supplication".[7]
Other scholarship suggests
the events of the first Pentecost recorded in the New Testament Acts of the Apostles
took place at the Temple
Court located south and south-west of the Temple Mount, an area excavated by Israeli
archaeologist Benjamin Mazar
shortly after the Israeli conquest of East Jerusalem in 1967. In the Jerusalem
Christian Review, Dan Mazar
wrote about the archaeological discoveries made at this location by his
grandfather, Prof. Mazar, which included the first century stairs of ascent,
where Jesus and his disciples preached, as well as the "mikvaot" (or
baptismals) used by the "three thousand" who were baptized on the day
of Pentecost, according to Acts 2:41 .
----- Original Message -----
From: mateus
To: 'Ron
Beaulieu'
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010
8:15 PM
Subject: RES: Apostasy
Brother Ron;
Something got me
disturbed in their e-mail;
"It is the
new movement that will be destroyed in the Ezekiel 9 slaughter. That
destruction must involved the literal Sanctuary and not stray individuals who
leave that church because in the last literal fulfillment, A.D. 27-70, the
literal apostate Sanctuary was involved. Literal fulfillment then must equal
the literal fulfillment in the future per Ellen White's prophecy. "
If Ezekiel 9: 4
" And told
him the LORD: passes through the city, by means of Jerusalem, and mark it with
a sign the foreheads of the men who yearn and groaning because of all the
abominations that is taking place in her midst. "
"Men who yearn
and groan" are still in Jerusalem, Jerusalem here applies to modern
Israel, understand that there is no separation, because those are sealed in
Jerusalem. I believe we must stay until the end.
Have a problem
here!!!
Abrs.
Matthew
De: Ron Beaulieu
[mailto:rsbeauli@telusplanet.net]
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de setembro de 2010 21:43
Para: Mateus; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: Apostasy
Dear
Brother Matthew,
Praise God
for your new understanding. It is the new movement that will be destroyed in
the Ezekiel 9 slaughter. That destruction must involved a literal Sanctuary and
not stray individuals who leave that church because in the last literal
fulfillment, A.D. 27-70, a literal apostate Sanctuary was involved. Literal
fulfillment then must equal a literal fulfillment in the future per Ellen
White's prophecy.
If you have
any difficulty understanding any of the many E.G. White statements the leaders
have misappropriated for decades, be sure and ask and I will give you a
perfectly reasonable and true explanation so that NOTHING CONTRADICTS.
All God's
blessings,
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Mateus
To: 'Ron
Beaulieu'
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:14
PM
Subject: RES: Apostasy
Brother Ron;
Actually the
language barrier is great, but understand well, because I've read a lot lately,
más magically now while reading your email, opened my mind to something that
until then was concealed. This text Ellen White.
"To
leave established truth is to step off the sure platform into the sinking sand
of apostasy. The Lord has declared that the history of the past shall be
rehearsed as we enter upon the closing work. Every truth that He has given for
these last days is to be proclaimed to the world. Every pillar that He has
established is to be strengthened. We cannot now step off the foundation that
God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization; for this
would mean apostasy from the truth. — Manuscript 129, 1905. (Selected
Messages, BK. 2, p. 390)
now I understand.
I imagined that it would be a new organization, but not now, this New
organization already happened when the Church changed its doctrine, so when I
was baptized in 19677 already belonged to this new organization, and not the
true Church of pioneers.
So simple, and I
couldn't understand.
Thank you
brother, may God illuminate each day more.
happy Saturday.
abrs.
Matthew