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----- Original Message -----

From: mateus

To: 'Ron Beaulieu'

Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:15 PM

Subject: RES: Apostasy

 

Brother Ron;

 

Something got me disturbed in their e-mail;

 

"It is the new movement that will be destroyed in the Ezekiel 9 slaughter. That destruction must involved the literal Sanctuary and not stray individuals who leave that church because in the last literal fulfillment, A.D. 27-70, the literal apostate Sanctuary was involved. Literal fulfillment then must equal the literal fulfillment in the future per Ellen White's prophecy. "

 

If Ezekiel 9: 4 " And told him the LORD: passes through the city, by means of Jerusalem, and mark it with a sign the foreheads of the men who yearn and groaning because of all the abominations that is taking place in her midst. "

 

"Men who yearn and groan" are still in Jerusalem, Jerusalem here applies to modern Israel, understand that there is no separation, because those are sealed in Jerusalem. I believe we must stay until the end.

 

Have a problem here!!!

 

Abrs.

Matthew

 

Ron responds to Matthew.


Dear Matthew,

 

I realize that Gar has engaged in a campaign to deceive you and all Adventists. Gar cannot discern the following facts because he has rejected them for about ten years now, and Ellen White says that when we reject light, we go into darkness in proportion to the light we reject. Therefore, Gar believes that the Jews of Christ’s day were sealed by an apostate Synagogue of Satan. He believes that true and faithful Adventists will be sealed at an apostate Adventist church today, when the only ones sealed will be sighing and crying for all the abominations of the current professing SDA church. Let us reason together Matthew:

 

·       The SDA church has abominations that we must sigh and cry about in order to be sealed.

·       How could a church with such abominations have the virtue to seal anyone?

·       How could the apostate Jewish church of Christ’s day, who crucified Him, have any virture to mark or seal anyone for Christ?

·       The disciples of Christ were told that whomever they bound (sealed) on earth, would be bound (sealed) in heaven. That was the sealing in Jerusalem and in all the other Christian churches, the first of which outside of Jerusalem, was at Antioc. But actually, the first Christian church was Christ and His disciples in Jerusalem, But Christ had gathered them out, DA, 232. And He separated Himself, ibid.

·       The disciples formed Christian home churches in many places outside of Jerusalem. They bound those members for the heavenly Kingdom. No one was MARKED/SEALED at the apostate Synagogye of Satan which Jesus Himself had separated from 3 ½ years before His crucifixion. DA 232. Then the veil was rent in the Temple (at His crucifixion) and God’s presence departed in A.D. 30. So what Godly presence was there to MARK/SEAL anyone remaining as a member of the apostate Temple organization?

·       Jerusalem is a generic term designating God’s people. It applies to His true people as well as the apostate people who profess Him. See Isaiah 62 for the word Jerusalem. The disciples had their headquarters in Jerusalem as well.

 

The 70 weeks (490 years--day for a year) of probation for the Jews, Daniel 9:24, ended in A.D. 34. The bride of Christ (the disciples--Desire of Ages, 179) and some 3,000 followers, were sealed on the Day of Pentecost in 31 A.D. Just prior to the Day of Pentecost the disciples had been hiding (in the upper room) from the Jews for fear of them. So the Temple and the apostate Jews and the city of Jerusalem had no virtue in any Ezekiel 9 sealing of the Jews except that the disciples were to go to the Jews first. Their first two calls of Matthew 22:1-10 were to the Jews. After those calls were rejected, they went into the highways of the world to others to call them to the wedding feast.

 

It is very important to remember that at the crucifixion of Christ, the veil was rent in the Temple. This signified that the presence of God had departed in A.D. 30. So there was no virtue in that apostate Temple church that had crucified Christ, to mark or seal anyone. Not one true Christian was ever sealed by the apostate Jews and their Temple system referred to by Christ as the Synagogue of Satan. True and faithful Jews were to sigh and cry for all the abominations of that Temple. So how could an abominable Temple and people have any virtue to mark or seal anyone for the Kingdom of God? NO ONE WAS EVER SEALED BY THAT APOSTATE ABOMINABLE TEMPLE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.

 

It was the disciples and 3,000 of their followers who were marked/sealed by the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost. The disciples were "gathered out" as the first act of Jesus' ministry in A.D. 27, Desire of Ages, 232. Christ had separated from that apostate Temple:

 

“Christ was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry.  {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}

 

If Christ and His apostles CAME OUT AND SEPARATED THEMSELVES FROM A RELIGION OF FORMS AND CEREMONIES, how could they have been sealed by the apostate Jerusalem Synagogue of Satan Temple? So why did Jesus tell His disciples to remain (tarry) in Jerusalem till they received power from on high, WHICH OCCURRED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST? Because they were to go to the Jews first to gather them out into home churches.

 

It is of crucial importance to realize the truth that though the disciples were told to tarry in Jerusalem until they were imbued with power from on high (the outpouring of the Holy Spirit), the following facts of history should never be forgotten:

 

·       Jesus had “gathered out” those who would take the gospel to the world as the first act of His ministry in A.D. 27, Desire of Ages, 232.

·       Jesus Himself left Jerusalem, Desire of Ages, 232, to go to others who would receive His teachings, Desire of Ages, 232.

·       On the Day of Pentecost when the disciples and 3000 others received power from on high (the outpouring of the Holy Spirit), the disciples had been hiding in the upper room of a man’s house for FEAR OF THE JEWS. That was in A.D. 31.

·       The presence of God had departed when the veil was rent in the Temple at Christ’s crucifixion, in A.D. 30.

·       Before Jesus’ death He referred to the apostate Temple Jews as the Synagogue of Satan. What virtue would Satan’s synagogue have to MARK/SEAL anyone?

·       Can anyone name one person who was sealed at and by the Synagogue of Satan?

·       If one had to remain a member of the apostate church (Jerusalem) to be sealed, how were the disciples marked when they and Christ has separated? (Proof statement further down in my response?)

·       There was a true Jerusalem church Headquarters in Jerusalem, a True Zion—the headquarters of the disciples. This is also born out in Isaiah 4:1-4, where we are told to remain in Jerusalem, but in Isaiah 37:31, 32 a remnant is goes forth OUT OF JERUSALEM, that is: apostate Jerusalem. But we remain in true Adventism, true Jerusalem, the pioneer Adventist belief.

·       In every succeeding generation true reformers have left the church of their fathers for one reason cited: The leaders would not tolerate light. DA 232.

 

“Christ was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry.  {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}

         

Paul left

 

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

 

"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.

 

 "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. 

 

Shiloh was the first civilized settlement of the Jews after they came out of their wandering in the Sinai for 40 years. Even that far back in time, faithful Jews were sacrificing and worshipping at home because of the apostasy of their leaders at the appointed place of worship.

 

 "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232. 

         

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

 

"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them. Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.  

 

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

Scripture on Home Churches

 

Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

 

If the Jews were MARKED/SEALED at the apostate Temple, or its court, why were they “gathered out” into home churches? Why did Jesus and His apostles separate? DA 232.

 

Biblical narrative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost

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A depiction of the Descent of the Holy Spirit in the Rosary Garden of San Carlos Seminary, Guadalupe Viejo, Makati City, Philippines.

The biblical narrative of Pentecost is given in the second chapter of the Book of Acts. As recounted in Acts 2:1-6:[4]

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.[5]

While those on whom the Spirit had descended were speaking in tongues, the disciple Peter stood up with the eleven and proclaimed to the crowd that this event was the fulfillment of the prophecy ("I will pour out my spirit") inJoel 2:28-29: Acts 2:41 reports: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

[edit] Location of the first Pentecost

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The Cenacle on Mount Zion, claimed to be the location of the Last Supper and Pentecost. Bargil Pixner[6] claims the original Church of the Apostles is located under the current structure.

Traditional interpretation holds that the Descent of the Holy Spirit took place in the Upper Room, or Cenacle while celebrating the day of Pentecost (Shavuot). The Upper Room was first mentioned in Luke 22:12-13 ( "And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover."). This Upper Room was to be the location of the Last Supper and the institution of Holy Communion. The next mention of an Upper Room is in Acts 1:13-14, the continuation of the Luke narrative, authored by the same biblical writer. Here the disciples and women wait and pray for the "baptism of the Holy Ghost" (See Acts 1:5) promised by Jesus:"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." It is assumed then that in Acts 2:1-2 , "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.", "they" refers to the aforementioned disciples and women,; the "place" referring to the same Upper Room where these persons had "continued with one accord in prayer and supplication".[7]

Other scholarship suggests the events of the first Pentecost recorded in the New Testament Acts of the Apostles took place at the Temple Court located south and south-west of the Temple Mount, an area excavated by Israeli archaeologist Benjamin Mazar shortly after the Israeli conquest of East Jerusalem in 1967. In the Jerusalem Christian Review, Dan Mazar wrote about the archaeological discoveries made at this location by his grandfather, Prof. Mazar, which included the first century stairs of ascent, where Jesus and his disciples preached, as well as the "mikvaot" (or baptismals) used by the "three thousand" who were baptized on the day of Pentecost, according to Acts 2:41 .

----- Original Message -----

From: mateus

To: 'Ron Beaulieu'

Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:15 PM

Subject: RES: Apostasy

 

Brother Ron;

 

Something got me disturbed in their e-mail;

 

"It is the new movement that will be destroyed in the Ezekiel 9 slaughter. That destruction must involved the literal Sanctuary and not stray individuals who leave that church because in the last literal fulfillment, A.D. 27-70, the literal apostate Sanctuary was involved. Literal fulfillment then must equal the literal fulfillment in the future per Ellen White's prophecy. "

 

If Ezekiel 9: 4 " And told him the LORD: passes through the city, by means of Jerusalem, and mark it with a sign the foreheads of the men who yearn and groaning because of all the abominations that is taking place in her midst. "

 

"Men who yearn and groan" are still in Jerusalem, Jerusalem here applies to modern Israel, understand that there is no separation, because those are sealed in Jerusalem. I believe we must stay until the end.

 

Have a problem here!!!

 

Abrs.

Matthew

Irmão Ron;

Algo me deixou perturbado em seu e-mail;

“It is the new movement that will be destroyed in the Ezekiel 9 slaughter.

That destruction must involved a literal Sanctuary and not stray individuals who leave that church because in the last literal fulfillment, A.D. 27-70, a literal apostate Sanctuary was involved.

Literal fulfillment then must equal a literal fulfillment in the future per Ellen White's prophecy.”

Se Ezekiel 9:4 “

E disse-lhe o SENHOR: Passa pelo meio da cidade, pelo meio de Jerusalém, e marca com um sinal as testas dos homens que suspiram e que gemem por causa de todas as abominações que se cometem no meio dela”.

“Os homens que suspiram e gemem” ainda estão em Jerusalém, se Jerusalém aqui se aplica ao Israel moderno, entendo que não haverá separação, pois os selados estarão em Jerusalém.

Entendo que devemos ficar até o fim.

Tem um problema aqui!!!

Abrs.

mateus

 

 

De: Ron Beaulieu [mailto:rsbeauli@telusplanet.net]
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de setembro de 2010 21:43
Para: Mateus; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: Apostasy

 

Dear Brother Matthew,

 

Praise God for your new understanding. It is the new movement that will be destroyed in the Ezekiel 9 slaughter. That destruction must involved a literal Sanctuary and not stray individuals who leave that church because in the last literal fulfillment, A.D. 27-70, a literal apostate Sanctuary was involved. Literal fulfillment then must equal a literal fulfillment in the future per Ellen White's prophecy.

 

If you have any difficulty understanding any of the many E.G. White statements the leaders have misappropriated for decades, be sure and ask and I will give you a perfectly reasonable and true explanation so that NOTHING CONTRADICTS.

 

All God's blessings,

 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mateus

To: 'Ron Beaulieu'

Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:14 PM

Subject: RES: Apostasy

 

Brother Ron;

Actually the language barrier is great, but understand well, because I've read a lot lately, más magically now while reading your email, opened my mind to something that until then was concealed. This text Ellen White.

"To leave established truth is to step off the sure platform into the sinking sand of apostasy. The Lord has declared that the history of the past shall be rehearsed as we enter upon the closing work. Every truth that He has given for these last days is to be proclaimed to the world. Every pillar that He has established is to be strengthened. We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization; for this would mean apostasy from the truth. — Manuscript 129, 1905. (Selected Messages, BK. 2, p. 390)

now I understand. I imagined that it would be a new organization, but not now, this New organization already happened when the Church changed its doctrine, so when I was baptized in 19677 already belonged to this new organization, and not the true Church of pioneers.

So simple, and I couldn't understand.

 

Thank you brother, may God illuminate each day more.

happy Saturday.

 

abrs.

Matthew