Pastor William Fagal's Answers On
"Dumb-Dogs" Issue
Dear Reader,
What follows is a dialog between myself
and (name withheld) Dahlinghaus on an Internet SDA group forum. (name
withheld) wrote to William Fagal, Associate Director of the White Estate to
get his opinion of things I told her. I have included the entire dialog
between (name withheld) and myself, as well as William Fagal's responses.
From: (Name withheld)
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:51 PM
To: EGWMAIL
Subject: Re: Hello
Dear Brother Fagel,
Thank you so much for
writing. Absolutely, I agree with you that the statement is a question with a
warning. My question is do people in the church realize of this warning? The
church will stand forever but not everyone in the church. Speaking of warning
I will include this as a plea for you opinion.
[Here (name withheld)
quotes what Ron sent to her]
"The church militant
designates the church which is to house wheat and tares, but not open sinning
THORNS. Even home churches will have tares, which Ellen White defines as
insincere believers whose motives one would have to judge to remove them.
Thorns, however, are open sinners, whose motives one does not have to judge
to remove them. They were to be reformed or removed. But that does not happen
any more. Why? Because Ellen White said that the unfaithful "dumb-dog"
shepherds would NEVER AGAIN, show the House of Jacob their sins. 5T 211.
Would you like to know
when that statement was written. Sure you would, so just turn to the front
pages of Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, and you will see the time-frame in which
the various page segments were published. The statement was published in the
first time-frame, so it was published in 1882.
Now watch this: If Ellen
White said in 1882, that the dumb-dog watchmen would NEVER AGAIN bark to show
the house of Jacob their sins, and in 1903, God called for a reformation when
He called the church, the ONCE faithful city, Jerusalem, a harlot, HOW COULD
A REFORMATION OCCUR WITHOUT THE SHEPHERDS SHOWING THE PEOPLE THEIR SINS THAT
HAD CAUSED THEIR HARLOTRY? And she said IN 1882, THAT THEY WOULD NEVER AGAIN
SHOW THEM THEIR SINS. See the problem. That is why there has been no
reformation and never again will be.
"Those who think that
the church militant is the church triumphant make a great mistake." E.G.
White, The Upward Look, 152.
"God has a church. It
is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, various
denominations it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where
two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of
them' (Matt. 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is
Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth
eternity can alone constitute a church.
Where two or three are
present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let
it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city
enclosed in prison walls." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 315. [End of (name
withheld)'s quoting of Ron's e-mail to her].
(name withheld) here.
Since the harlot statement was a warning and she also said there never be
shown their sins, we are at a loss as to what to do. It's a impasse. She did
not call the church a harlot and many people discount what she said as a
question.
We are at a time when
everyone needs to wake up and so many don't want to talk about Revelation. On
and on time goes and people live like they are not dying. They live like they
do not see what is happening in the world. Since E. White made the statement:
I give you from a friend-
"I saw that they
were correct in their reckoning of the prophetic periods; (PLURAL) prophetic
time closed in 1844," EW 243
"I have borne the testimony
since the passing of the time in 1844, that there should be no definite time
set by which to test God's people. The great test on time was in 1843 and
1844; and all who have set time since these great periods marked in prophecy
were deceiving and being deceived. {LS80 221.1}
TM 55
Let all our brethren and sisters beware of any one who would set a time or
the Lord to fulfill his word in regard to his coming, or in regard to any
other promise he has made of special significance. "It is not for you to
know.
Another quote 6MR 251
"One week ago, last
Sabbath, we had a very interesting meeting. Brother Hewit from DeadRiverwas
there. He came with a message to the effect that the destruction of the
wicked and the sleep of the dead was an abomination within a shut door that
Jezebel, a prophetess had brought in and he believed that I was that woman
Jezebel. We told him of some of his errors in the past that the 1335 days
were ended and numerous errors of his had but little effect."
There are no more time
prophecies left. Jesus is at the door.
Respectfully again,
(name withheld)
Ron
Beaulieu's Reply to (name withheld)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net>
To: (name withheld
Sent: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Hello
(name withheld),
Regarding time prophesies, Ellen White
must have meant day for a year time prophesies and not literal time, because
there is a forty and two month time period in Revelation 13:3-5, after the
deadly wound of the beast is fully healed, and that has not yet occurred.
Ron
William Fagal's Reply
to (name withheld)
-----Original Message-----
From: EGWMAIL <mail@whiteestate.org>
To: (name withheld)
Sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:37:02 -0400
Subject: Dumb dogs; reformation possible?
Dear Sister
(name withheld)
Thank you for
writing back. I'm sorry I've been so slow in responding, but I will try to do
so now.
Is it correct
to generalize Mrs. White's statement in 5T 211 to the entire church from that
time on? Because some at that time were "dumb dogs" who did not
bark at danger, who cried "Peace and safety" and who would
"never again" sound the warning against sin, does this mean that no
one would do so ever again? I do not find that conclusion in Mrs. White's
statement.
You have noted,
correctly, that we still have such a problem in the church today. We have
such ministers today, I know. But I also know others whom that description
does not fit. I cannot join you in concluding that "there has been no
reformation and never again will be." Or perhaps this was not your
statement, but something quoted from someone else? I cannot tell from what
you wrote, but as I look at it yet again, I'm thinking now that you were
quoting someone else and asking my opinion. In any event, I think the
conclusion is unwarranted.
You went on to
express concern about the lukewarm state of so many in the church. I share
that concern, even as I examine my own soul to see whether I am not in the
same condition. The state of the church should not surprise us in light of
the Laodicean message of Revelation 3. This does not excuse our condition;
the text gives a stern warning about it. But it extends hope for the
possibility of change and assurance of Jesus' desire for it.
Events in New Orleans and the surrounding
area over the last week are a reminder of how fragile our
"security" is in this world, and how quickly the dark side of
humanity may emerge when conditions permit. I have been reflecting on these
things in the light of Mrs. White's statement about end times in The Great
Controversy, pp. 589, 590. We will see more such things. They are signs
of the times.
Though many
things around us--inside and outside the church--may appear discouraging, we
need have no fear for the final outcome. God will have a people who will go
through to the end. His side of the Great Controversy will be the winning
one! We must determine, by His grace, to be on His side and to help as many
others as possible to be there, too.
Thank you for
your interest and concern. God bless!
William Fagal
Associate Director
Ellen G. White Estate
12501 Old Columbia Pike
Silver Spring, MD 20904-6600
U.S.A.
Phone: 301 680-6550
FAX: 301 680-6559
http://www.WhiteEstate.org
Ron Beaulieu responds
to (name withheld) Commenting on Fagal's Answers to (name withheld):
(name withheld),
In Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, Ellen White
is referring to Isaiah 56:10-12, regarding the "dumb-dogs." She
said in another place that the ancient prophets wrote more for us than for
the Jews. That would figure, since we have the Jewish mistakes as an example
for avoiding the same errors. Isaiah 56:10-12 indicts ALL the watchmen as
DUMB-DOGS, and ALL as being IGNORANT. I will believe God, rather than men
like William Fagal, who would have to admit to being self-indicted by
Scripture if he admitted it applied to all watchmen NOW. There is not ONE
persons barking all the abominations in the church TODAY. If he/she were,
they would be speedily removed.
But let's consult God on the issue. Let's
see if he finds ONE PERSON in the church AT THE END TIME, telling all the
abominations and warning of them. Recall that Ezekiel 5:9 updates Ezekiel's
warnings to the end time, for that is when the worst thing that God ever does
occurs (Matthew 24:21). So Let's ask Ezekiel if there is one person in the
church protesting all the abominations at the end-time, WHO TAKES A PROPER
RESPONSE TO THE ABOMINATIONS, which is part and parcel to the protest. What
is a proper response to the Abominations? I would fear to give my personal
opinion, so will give you God's directive:
Fear and Shun "'They that forsake the
law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the
world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever
been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as
decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the enemy of all good.
It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as resolutely today
as then. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God' people
in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood." E.G. White,
Prophets and kings, p. 660.
What does God say
through Ezekiel?
Eze 22:30
And I sought for a man among them, that should make up
the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I
should not destroy it: but I found none.
Keep in mind that Testimonies, Vol. 5,
211, is speaking of Ezekiel 9. Ellen White begins the chapter on p. 207,
quoting Ezekiel 9:1. So that is the context, and Ezekiel 22:30 (above)
says that there is NOT ONE among the church MAKING UP THE HEDGE AND STANDING
IN THE GAP. I believe God, and I can see for myself that He is right!
We should also keep in mind Ellen White's
statement that the ancient prophets wrote more for us than the Jews. This
means that Isaiah 56:10-12, applies more to us than the Jews:
"The Bible for Our Time.--Never are
we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of the
ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that their
prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things happened unto them for
ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the
world are come' (! Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto themselves, but unto us they did
minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have
preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which
things the angels desire to look into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White,
Selected Messages, vol. 3, p. 338.
So, in reality, William Fagal contradicts
both Scripture and Ellen White, when he says that not all of the watchmen are
being unfaithful in "barking" out the sins of the House of Jacob.
The New Movement--Organization would not allow such "barking" to
stand in it's way. 1 SM, 204-5. Also, any leader or anyone else who protested
all the abominations and a correct course by way of response to them, would
be removed from the church. That has been proven hundreds of times over. How
so? Because a correct response is that the wheat cannot mature amongst the
corruption of thorns (open sinners), and the wheat cannot unite with the
corrupt and remain pure.
"Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made
it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:4). In the same way secular
interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching
maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one
interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies.
That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation (Christ's
Object Lessons, p. 50). To them, justification is the sum and substance of
religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists
essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which evil
traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus
Christ." SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, 405.
"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite
with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15
quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he
unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and
Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.
"The thorns of sin will grow in any
soil they need no cultivation but grace must be carefully cultivated. The
briers and thorns are always ready to spring up, and the work of purification
must advance continually....
The thorns that have been cut off but not
uprooted grow space, until the soul [and/or the church] is overspread with
them." E. G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, 50.
Quiescent, insincere believer tares, are
not to be uprooted until the close of probationary time, Christ's Object
Lessons, 72. Open sinning tares and thorns are to be uprooted, or the church
will be overspread with them and they will choke out and kill the wheat,
making it impossible for the wheat to mature. This is why the wheat must be
separated from a church that is controlled by open sinning, apostate tares
and thorns.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: (name withheld)
To: rsbeauli@telusplanet.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Did EGW call the church a harlot in
1903...etc.?
Ron, Brother Fagal said re
the harlot statement that the forward, pages 5-8 in 8 Testimonies is the time
period that she was taking about in regards to the harlot statement. Don't
you still have that letter? He told me to read pages 5-8 and then I would have
a better understanding of why she wrote that harlot statement. But it isn't
that she wrote it, but in fact that she had a vision from God. Also to the
point the last paragraph, sentence, it states that her writings in 8 would
be, helpful-(I think it says) for the end times.
(name withheld).
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net>
To: (name withheld)
Sent: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:54:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Did EGW call the church a harlot in 1903...etc.?
(name withheld),
The great crisis mentioned on pages 5-8,
of Testimonies, Vol. 8, involved J. Harvey Kellogg and pantheism of the Alpha
of Apostasy. I understand that. I agree that Ellen White checked that crisis.
The leaders who are responding to your questions are ignoring the Omega of
Apostasy that Ellen White said would surely develop and wax stronger until
Jesus comes. The Omega was to be far more serious. It is summarized in
Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5.
The leaders are also saying in effect,
that the new organization--the New Movement, was one of going from worse to
better, and that is not the case. For example, under the new
organization--new movement, of 1901, Ellen White, Jones and Waggoner, of the
minority committee, voted that there should be no president of the General
Conference, but rather a committee of 25 men. By 1903, that was not followed,
and A.D. Daniels was elected PRESIDENT. The leaders ignored what was voted on
in 1901. That presidency of Daniels led to what Ellen White referred to as
KINGLY "RULE OR RUIN" POWER on his part. That "rule or
ruin" power exists NOW in the Omega of Apostasy, for: "Nothing
would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement." Selected
Messages, Bk. 1, 205.
Ellen White said in 8T p. 11:
"There is before the church the dawn
of a bright, glorious day, IF she will put on the robe of Christ's
righteousness, WITHDRAWING FROM ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE WORLD."
That "IF" condition has not been
complied with. The church has become married to the world by accepting its
Accreditation Standards for education. The church accepted those standards in
1930. Also, the church has so wandered after the manner of the world that
it has nearly the same divorce percentage ratio as the world, and that
is according to two recent Adventist Review articles.
http://adventistreview.org/2003-1543/story4.html
Due to pre-marital classes and strict
regard for marriage being a sacrament, Catholics have America's
lowest divorce rate:
http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1547/story1-1.html
So Mother Babylon has a lower divorce
percentage rate among its members than its daughters. Do we now know why
Ellen White said that SDA's are worse than Babylon?
"God's professed people are selfish
and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God,
than the heathen, graven-image worshipers who have had no knowledge of a
better way." Testimonies, vol. 2, 441-442.
The following quote is taken from
Adventist Review:
http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1547/story1.html
"Despite the energy that most
churches put into premarital training, the divorce rate for Christians,
including Seventh-day Adventists (see sidebar "Religious Organizations
and Issues Regarding Marriage"), is comparable to that in society. It
may be safe to assume that much of this energy hasn't always been spent in
the most effective manner."
The following quotes are taken from the
Adventist Review in 2005, at the following link:
http://www.adventistreview.org/2005-1514/story5.html
"Divorce is more prevalent among
Christians than the rest of the population, leaving broken hearts, shattered
dreams and innocent children in its wake."
"Recent studies by the Barna Research
Group reveal that 27 percent of born-again Christians have been divorced.
That compares with 24 percent of adults who are not born-again."
Relate the above statements regarding
current trends of divorce in the SDA church, to the following statement by
Ellen White:
"We must as a people arouse and
cleanse the camp of Israel.
Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in
among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen
Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every
foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear
unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White,
Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler)
Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.
Were decided movements made to cure the
existing evil? Not according to current divorce statistics. Even Mother Rome
has a less divorce percentage ratio that Seventh-day Adventists, and that is
an abomination to sigh and cry over. So has the church become a sister to
fallen Babylon?
The answer should be clear.
Another way in which the church has become
in allegiance to the world is via ecumenical involvement with fallen churches
that cannot be distinguished from the world--The World Council of Churches,
National Councils of Churches and their local subsidiaries, Ministerial
Associations of Babylon. SDA leaders use the excuse that we must come close
to the ministers of other faiths. That is their reason for liaison with these
bodies. But not one single person has ever been converted to Adventism by
such liaison. That is according to B.B.
Beach, who was the SDA
leader in such spiritual crime, strictly forbidden by God's Word in Isaiah
8:9-12. However, Earl Hilgert, the first SDA representative to Babylon's Associations,
was converted to their side and became a Babylonian preacher.
The leaders lie about the church's
ecumenical involvement, but Vance Ferrell has proof. That is why I said that
you should write to him and procure that proof.
Ron's further response to (name
withheld)
Is Reformation Possible?
SDA leaders and the laity believe that a
great reformation will occur that will purge the bad from the SDA church
militant leaving it purged and purified as the church triumphant. That is not
so. The church militant will be destroyed in another literal manifestation of
Ezekiel 9, as Ellen White and Ezekiel, chapters 5 and 9 attest.
A reformation will go through all fallen
churches among the sincere in those churches--but not the denominational
church structures involved. A remnant will proceed out of all fallen churches
at the Loud Cry of the Third Angel.
Isa 37:31
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall
again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:
Isa 37:32
For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant,
and they that escape out of mount
Zion: the zeal of the
LORD of hosts shall do this.
Remember, Isaiah wrote more for us than
the Jews of old. Even though the above verses had a historic fulfillment
involving the Jews, the Lord has shown me emphatically that they will have
another end-time fulfillment.
Ezekiel
5
1 And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a
barber's razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then
take thee balances to weigh, and divide the hair. 2 Thou shalt
burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the
siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it
with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will
draw out a sword after them. 3 Thou shalt also take thereof a few
in number, and bind them in thy skirts. 4
The "few in number" bound in His
skirts (under His wings), are the remnant within the remnant of God's chosen
people. After they escape, as they did in the PREFIGURE of A.D. 70, GC,
chapter 1, the remaining church structure will be destroyed. The
"thousands a day" who join the SDA church, join the SDA church
triumphant, out in the wilderness outposts, from whence the Loud Cry will be
made, as Ellen White and Scripture attests.
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will
gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand,
and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there
will I plead with you face to face. 36 Like as I
pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,
so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into
the bond of the covenant: 38 And I will
purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me:
I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall
not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD;
Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not
hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and
with your idols. Ezekiel 20:34-39.
It is from the SDA Church Triumphant that
the tares are shaken, not the church militant structure.
COUNTERPART: "The
Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people
[Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make
intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the
sins that had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy
falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have
it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even
unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the
prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed
also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace,
when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will
find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in
their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of
their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church
is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words
of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen
their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will
choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G.
White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.
COUNTERPART: "In the time of
the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the precious jewels of truth with
the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it was impossible to distinguish the
true from the false. The Saviour came to clear away the rubbish of
superstition and long-cherished errors, and to set the jewels of God's word
in the framework of truth. What would the Saviour do if he should come to us
now as he did to the Jews? He would have to do a similar work in clearing
away the rubbish of tradition and ceremony. The Jews were greatly disturbed
when he did this work [As are SDAs today!]. They had lost sight of the
original truth of God, but Christ brought it again to view. It is our work to
free the precious truths of God from superstition and error." E.G.
White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 308.
There is a modern COUNTERPART to the
ancient apostate "chosen people" of God. That modern COUNTERPART is
the people who claim to be the modern "chosen people" of God, the
remnant, if you will.
There are over 100 statements to the
affect that SDAs are repeating the history of ancient Israel. Here
are just a few of them:
"I have been shown that the spirit of
the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as
did ancient Israel.
There is the same falling away from your holy calling as God's peculiar
people. You are having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Your
[ecumenical] concord with unbelievers have provoked he Lord's displeasure.
You know not the things that belong to your peace, and they are fast being
hid from your eyes. [The very words applied to fallen Israel on
page 17 of The Great Controversy] Your neglect to follow the light will place
you in a more unfavorable position than the Jews upon whom Christ pronounced
a woe." Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 75-76.
"Like ancient Israel, the
church has dishonored her God by departing from the light, neglecting her
duties, and abusing her high and exalted privilege of being peculiar and holy
in character. Her members have violated their covenant to live for God and
him only. They have joined with the selfish and world-loving. Pride, the love
of pleasure, and sin have been cherished, and CHRIST HAS DEPARTED. His Spirit
has been quenched in the church. Satan works wide by side with professed
Christians yet they are so destitute of spiritual discernment that they do
not detect him." E.G. White, Testimonies, vol. 2, pp. 441-442.
"Among the professed followers of
Christ, there is the same pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, and
OPPRESSION, that existed in the Jewish nation." E.G. White, Sketches
from the Life of Paul, 251-252.
"God's professed people are selfish
and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God,
than the heathen, graven-image worshipers who have had no knowledge of a
better way." Testimonies, vol. 2, 441-442.
Am I remiss in observing (reasoning) that
worse than heathen, graven-image worshippers, means worse than Babylon? Especially
after knowing the truth and a knowledge of a better way! If I am how and why?
and if I am I apologize. By the above statement it is flattery, presumption,
and patronization error to refer to the apostate SDA church as Babylon! No, let it not
be said by anyone that Ron Beaulieu has said that the church is Babylon! I concur with
Ellen White that God's professed people are worse than Babylonian heathen
graven image idol worshippers! Worse than Catholics! Worse than the great
Whore! Why? Because they had the light of truth and have willfully united
with the great whore in business partnership! Ellen White said we are never
to unite with unbelievers in business partnership, let alone the great Whore
of Babylon! However, I concur with Ellen White that the church could and
indeed has become the cage of every unclean and hateful bird, language that
is distinctly applied to Babylon in Revelation
18, but Ellen White said it and not
I. Credit her and not me. I am
agreeing with her.
"If the church of God
becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more
than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the
habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every
unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and
receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church,
calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no
more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will
receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the
law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.
If Laodicea
is not regarded with any more favor by God than the fallen churches, and the
call of Laodicea is to all churches, then
there is no difference between Laodicea
and the fallen churches as far as being in a fallen state is concerned.
Different churches believe different aspects of Babylonian teachings, but
Ellen White equates them all as far as falling from the favor of God is
concerned, and as far as constituting the habitation of devils and the hold
of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
"We must as a people arouse and
cleanse the camp of Israel.
Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among
us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen
Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every
foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear
unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White,
Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler)
Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.
"Now it is just EXACTLY as in the
days of the Jews. When a message came in, why all the power of the leaders
[such some leaders on this forum] WAS PUT AGAINST IT, THAT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE
ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE. Now, brethren, GO TO GOD FOR YOURSELVES, and on your
knees plead with God...If God sends us light, let it come to us, and let no
man close the door, or try to close it. Don't close it yourselves. Open the
door of your heart and let the brilliant rays of light shine into your heart
and into your mind. I pray you, let the Sun of Righteousness in." E.G.
White, Manuscript Release #900, Manuscript 9, 1890. 1888 Materials, p. 541.
Dear reader, I can tell you that all the
power of many SDA leaders and some of the laity on many different SDA
Internet forums, SDA Campmeetings, and in other circles, has been put against
my warning message that it should not have access to the people. But God has
assured me that this warning message will go to the earnest seekers for
truth.
God bless,
Ron Beaulieu
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