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Did God Label Ancient
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Is God calling the Adventist church a =
harlot
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Thank you=
for
contacting the Ellen G. White Estate.&nb=
sp;
I don't see that in
God has a chur=
ch, a
chosen people; and could all see as I have seen
place them in a setting of falsehood, so that their =
error
may have
To claim =
that
the
43
Testimoni=
es to
such a position as is taken by those in error; for God
intended that the Testimonies should always
have a setting in the
Those who advo=
cate
error will say, "The Lord =
saith,"
"when the Lord
"My broth=
er, if
you are teaching that the
ofVolume 8.=
There is a good article about this on pp. 5-8 at thebeginning of the volume. It is called "The Times of =
Volume
Eight." This will help to make clearer to you the nature of the prim=
ary
evils Mrs. White was addressing in the book. While she surely could branch out
beyond those in the volume's pages, I believe that these concerns lay in =
the
background of the counsel that she gave there.
Thank you for writing, and God bless!
William <=
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class=3DSpellE>Fagal
Associate
Director
Ellen G. =
White
Estate
12501 Old
Columbia Pike
Phone: 301
680-6550
FAX: 301 680-6559
Ron Beaulieu’s Commentary on Fagal’s
Response to Gary Zwicke
Rev 2:9 I know thy
works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the
blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the
synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I=
will
make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not,
but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,=
and
to know that I have loved thee.
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [=
your]
father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murde=
rer
from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth=
in
him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
When Jesus told t=
he
Jews they were of their father the devil, He clearly meant that they were
part of Satan’s Synagogue.
All who say they are spiritual Jews, but are apostate, do lie and =
are
part of Satan’s Synagogue,
William Fagal violates clear English g=
rammer
and Biblical meaning when commenting on Ellen White’s quote of what=
her
Instructor said to her. Her
Instructor asked how the professing SDA church had become a harlot. God asked the same question in S=
cripture
regarding ancient
In the tradition =
of all
other SDA leaders since the death of Ellen G. White, Fagal
refuses to consider time and place as regards Ellen White’s stateme=
nts
that the church was not
Ironically, Fagal admits that if Ellen White’s Instructor=
said
that the church had become a harlot, He would have meant that the church =
was
“I =
don't
see that in
Yes it would William Fagal! And t=
hat is
the express, clear meaning of what Ellen White’s
Instructor said! We =
have
no problem knowing that God used the very same wording to call ancient Is=
rael
and Judah a harlot of the Synagogue of Satan, but somehow when it comes to
the professing SDA church, all spiritual discernment of even the church=
8217;s
leaders, suddenly disappears, and clear meaning is misconstrued and
misinterpreted to fool the sheepfold.
This is a classic fulfillment of Isaiah 56:10-12, which Ellen
White reapplies in Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211:
"His WATCHME=
N are
blind: they are all ignorant, the are all dumb dogs, they =
cannot
bark sleeping, lying down loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs wh=
ich
can never have enough, and THEY ARE SHEPHERDS that cannot understand: they
all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Come=
ye,
say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink=
and
to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant." Isaiah 56:1=
0-12.
"Here we see that the church=
--the
Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. T=
he
ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as
guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their tr=
ust.
They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the ma=
rked
manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These
words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to=
visit
His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men =
who will never
again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their
transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs=
u> that would not b=
ark
are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens,
and little children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, =
Vol.
5, 211.
How many are dumb=
dogs?
God says ALL. Willima
Fagal contradicts God by saying that not all =
SDA
pastors fall into that class.
Just as William Fagal denied clear
Scriptural meaning of Ellen White’s harlot statement, he also denied
clear Scriptural testimony regarding Isaiah 56:10-12, and the dumb-dog pa=
rt
as applying to ALL the so-called watchmen.
Here is William <=
span
class=3DSpellE>Fagal’s response to a person named Judy, rega=
rding
Ellen White’s “dumb-dog” statement:
What follows is a dialog between
From: OneJudyD@aol.com [mailto:OneJu=
dyD@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:51 PM
To: EGWMAIL
Subject: Re: Hello
Dear Brother Fagel,
Thank you so much =
for
writing. Absolutely, I agree with you that the statement is a question wi=
th a
warning. My question is do people in the church realize of this warning? =
The
church will stand forever but not everyone in the church. Speaking of war=
ning
I will include this as a plea for you opinion.
[Here Judy quotes =
what Ron
sent to her]
"The church m=
ilitant
designates the church which is to house wheat and tares, but not open sin=
ning
THORNS. Even home churches will have tares, which Ellen White defines as
insincere believers whose motives one would have to judge to remove them.
Thorns, however, are open sinners, whose motives one does not have to jud=
ge
to remove them. They were to be reformed or removed. But that does not ha=
ppen
any more. Why? Because Ellen White said that the unfaithful
"dumb-dog" shepherds would NEVER AGAIN, show the House of Jacob
their sins. 5T 211.
Would you like to =
know when
that statement was written. Sure you would, so=
just
turn to the front pages of Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, and you will see the
time-frame in which the various page segments were published. The stateme=
nt
was published in the first time-frame, so it was published in 1882.
Now watch this: If=
Ellen
White said in 1882, that the dumb-dog watchmen would NEVER AGAIN bark to =
show
the house of Jacob their sins, and in 1903, God called for a reformation =
when
He called the church, the ONCE faithful city, Jerusalem, a harlot, HOW CO=
ULD
A REFORMATION OCCUR WITHOUT THE SHEPHERDS SHOWING THE PEOPLE THEIR SINS T=
HAT
HAD CAUSED THEIR HARLOTRY? And she said IN 1882, THAT THEY WOULD NEVER AG=
AIN
SHOW THEM THEIR SINS. See the problem. That is why there has been no
reformation and never again will be.
"Those who th=
ink that
the church militant is the church triumphant make a great mistake." =
E.G.
White, The Upward Look, 152.
"God has a ch=
urch. It
is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, var=
ious
denominations it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'W=
here
two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of
them' (Matt. 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is
Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. =
Where two or three=
are
present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, =
let
it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city
enclosed in prison walls." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 315. [End of
Judy's quoting of Ron's e-mail to her].
Judy here. Since t=
he
harlot statement was a warning and she also said there never be shown the=
ir
sins, we are at a loss as to what to do. It's a
impasse. She did not call the church a harlot and many people discount wh=
at
she said as a question.
We are at a time w=
hen
everyone needs to wake up and so many don't want to talk about Revelation=
. On
and on time goes and people live like they are not dying. They live like =
they
do not see what is happening in the world. Since E. White made the statem=
ent:
I give you from a friend-
"I saw tha=
t they
were correct in their reckoning of the prophetic periods; (PLURAL) prophe=
tic
time closed in 1844," EW 243
"I have borne the testimony
since the passing of the time in 1844, that there should be no definite t=
ime
set by which to test God's people. The great test on time was in 1843 and
1844; and all who have set time since these great periods marked in proph=
ecy
were deceiving and being deceived. {LS80 221.1}
TM 55
Let all our brethren and sisters beware of any one who would set a time or
the Lord to fulfill his word in regard to his coming, or in regard to any
other promise he has made of special significance. "It is not for yo=
u to
know.
Another quote 6MR =
251
"One week ago=
, last
Sabbath, we had a very interesting meeting. Brother =
Hewit
from DeadRiverwas there. He came with a messa=
ge to
the effect that the destruction of the wicked and the sleep of the dead w=
as an abomination within a shut door that Jezebel, a
prophetess had brought in and he believed that I was that woman Jezebel. =
We
told him of some of his errors in the past that the 1335 days were ended =
and
numerous errors of his had but little effect."
There are no more =
time
prophecies left. Jesus is at the door.
Respectfully again=
,
Judy Dahlinghaus
Ron
Beaulieu's Reply to Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Beaulieu <rsbeau=
li@telusplanet.net>
To: onejudyd@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Hello
Judy,
Regarding time prophesies, Ellen Whi=
te
must have meant day for a year time prophesies and not literal time, beca=
use
there is a forty and two month time period in Revelation 13:3-5, after the
deadly wound of the beast is fully healed, and that has not yet occurred.=
Ron
William Fagal's Reply to Judy
-----Original Mess=
age-----
From: EGWMAIL <mail@whiteestate.org>
To: OneJudyD@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:37:02 -0400
Subject: Dumb dogs; reformation possible?
Dear Si=
ster Dahlinghaus,
Thank y=
ou for
writing back. I'm sorry I've been so slow in responding, but I will try t=
o do
so now.
Is it c=
orrect
to generalize Mrs. White's statement in 5T 211 to the entire church from =
that
time on? Because some at that time were "dumb dogs" who did not
bark at danger, who cried "Peace and safety" and who would
"never again" sound the warning against sin, does this mean tha=
t no
one would do so ever again? I do not find that conclusion in Mrs. White's
statement.
You hav=
e noted,
correctly, that we still have such a problem in the church today. We have
such ministers today, I know. But I also know others whom that description
does not fit. I cannot join you in concluding that "there has been no
reformation and never again will be." Or perhaps this was not your
statement, but something quoted from someone else? I cannot tell from what
you wrote, but as I look at it yet again, I'm thinking now that you were
quoting someone else and asking my opinion. In any event, I think the
conclusion is unwarranted.
You wen=
t on to
express concern about the lukewarm state of so many in the church. I share
that concern, even as I examine my own soul to see whether I am not in the
same condition. The state of the church should not surprise us in light of
the Laodicean message of Revelation 3. This d=
oes
not excuse our condition; the text gives a stern warning about it. But it
extends hope for the possibility of change and assurance of Jesus' desire=
for
it.
Events =
in
Though =
many
things around us--inside and outside the church--may appear discouraging,=
we
need have no fear for the final outcome. God will have a people who will =
go
through to the end. His side of the Great Controversy will be the winning
one! We must determine, by His grace, to be on His side and to help as ma=
ny
others as possible to be there, too.
Thank y=
ou for
your interest and concern. God bless!
William=
Fagal
Associate Director
Ellen G. White Estate
12501 Old Columbia Pike
Phone: 301 680-6550
FAX: 301 680-6559
http://www.WhiteEstate.org
<= o:p>
Ron Beaulieu res=
ponds
to Judy Commenting on Fagal's Answers to Judy=
:
Judy,
In Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, Ellen W=
hite
is referring to Isaiah 56:10-12, regarding the "dumb-dogs." She
said in another place that the ancient prophets wrote more for us than for
the Jews. That would figure, since we have the Jewish mistakes as an exam=
ple
for avoiding the same errors. Isaiah 56:10-12 indicts ALL the watchmen as
DUMB-DOGS, and ALL as being IGNORANT. I will believe God, rather than men
like William Fagal, who would have to admit to
being self-indicted by Scripture if he admitted it applied to all watchmen
NOW. There is not ONE persons barking all the
abominations in the church TODAY. If he/she were, they would be speedily
removed.
But let's consult God on the issue. =
Let's
see if he finds ONE PERSON in the church AT THE END TIME, telling all the
abominations and warning of them. Recall that Ezekiel 5:9 updates Ezekiel=
's
warnings to the end time, for that is when the worst thing that God ever =
does
occurs (Matthew 24:21). So Let's ask Ezekiel if there is one person in the
church protesting all the abominations at the end-time, WHO TAKES A PROPER
RESPONSE TO THE ABOMINATIONS, which is part and parcel to the protest. Wh=
at
is a proper response to the Abominations? I would fear to give my personal
opinion, so will give you God's directive:
Fear and Shun "'They that forsa=
ke the
law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the
world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever
been the opposers of the cause of truth, we s=
hould
fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted=
by
the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be
resisted as resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend to
unsettle the faith of God' people in His guiding power, should be steadfa=
stly
withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and kings, p. 660.
What does God say
through Ezekiel?
Eze 22:30 And
I sought for a man among them, that
should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the l=
and,
that I should not destroy it: but I found none.
Keep in mind that Testimonies, Vol. =
5,
211, is speaking of Ezekiel 9. Ellen White begins the chapter on p. 20=
7,
quoting Ezekiel 9:1. So that is the context, and Ezekiel 22:30 (above=
) says that there is NOT ONE among the church MAKING U=
P THE
HEDGE AND STANDING IN THE GAP. I believe God, and I can see for myself th=
at
He is right!
We should also keep in mind Ellen Wh=
ite's
statement that the ancient prophets wrote more for us than the Jews. This
means that Isaiah 56:10-12, applies more to us than the Jews:
"The Bible for Our Time.--Never=
are
we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of=
the
ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that the=
ir
prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things happened unto them =
for
ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of=
the
world are come' (! Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto
themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now repor=
ted
unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Gho=
st
sent down from heaven which things the angels desire to look into' (1 Pet=
er
1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 3, p. 338.
So, in reality, William Fagal contradicts both Scripture and Ellen White, w=
hen he
says that not all of the watchmen are being unfaithful in "barking&q=
uot;
out the sins of the House of Jacob. The New Movement--Organization would =
not
allow such "barking" to stand in it's way.
1 SM, 204-5. Also, any leader or anyone else who protested all the
abominations and a correct course by way of response to them,
would be removed from the church. That has been proven hundreds of times
over. How so? Because a correct response is that the wheat cannot mature
amongst the corruption of thorns (open sinners), and the wheat cannot uni=
te
with the corrupt and remain pure.
"Thorns sprung up.--The thorns =
made
it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:4). In the same way sec=
ular
interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching
maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only=
one
interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually di=
es.
That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation (Chri=
st's
Object Lessons, p. 50). To them, justification is the sum and substance of
religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists
essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which =
evil
traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus
Christ." SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, 405.
"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to un=
ite
with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15
quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if=
he
unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review=
and
Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.
"The thorns of sin will grow in=
any
soil they need no cultivation but grace must be carefully cultivated. The
briers and thorns are always ready to spring up, and the work of purifica=
tion
must advance continually....
The thorns that have been cut off bu=
t not
uprooted grow space, until the soul [and/or the church] is overspread with
them." E. G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, 50.
Quiescent, insincere believer tares, are not to be uprooted until the close of
probationary time, Christ's Object Lessons, 72. Open sinning tares and th=
orns
are to be uprooted, or the church will be overspread with them and they w=
ill
choke out and kill the wheat, making it impossible for the wheat to matur=
e.
This is why the wheat must be separated from a church that is controlled =
by
open sinning, apostate tares and thorns.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: <=
span
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>onejudyd@aol.com
To:<=
span
style=3D'font-family:Arial'> rsbeauli@telusplanet.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject:=
Re: Did EGW call the church a harlot in
1903...etc.?
Ron, Brother Fagal said re the harlot statement that the forward,
pages 5-8 in 8 Testimonies is the time period that she was taking about in
regards to the harlot statement. Don't you still have that letter? He tol=
d me
to read pages 5-8 and then I would have a better understanding of why she
wrote that harlot statement. But it isn't that she wrote it, but in fact =
that
she had a vision from God. Also to the point the last paragraph, sentence=
, it
states that her writings in 8 would be, helpful-(I think it says) for the=
end
times.
Judy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net>
To: onejudyd@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:54:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Did EGW call the church a harlot in 1903...etc.?
Judy,
The great crisis mentioned on pages =
5-8,
of Testimonies, Vol. 8, involved J. Harvey Kellogg and pantheism of the A=
lpha
of Apostasy. I understand that. I agree that Ellen White checked that cri=
sis.
The leaders who are responding to your questions are ignoring the Omeg=
a of
Apostasy that Ellen White said would surely develop and wax stronger until
Jesus comes. The Omega was to be far more serious. It is summarized in
Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5.
The leaders are also saying in effec=
t,
that the new organization--the New Movement, was one of going from worse =
to
better, and that is not the case. For example, under the new
organization--new movement, of 1901, Ellen White, Jones and Waggoner, of =
the
minority committee, voted that there should be no president of the General
Conference, but rather a committee of 25 men. By 1903, that was not follo=
wed,
and A.D. Daniels was elected PRESIDENT. The leaders ignored what was vote=
d on
in 1901. That presidency of Daniels led to what Ellen White referred to as
KINGLY "RULE OR RUIN" POWER on his part. That "rule or
ruin" power exists NOW in the Omega of Apostasy, for: "Nothi=
ng
would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement." Selec=
ted
Messages, Bk. 1, 205.
Ellen White said in 8T p. 11:
"There is before the church the=
dawn
of a bright, glorious day, IF she will put on the robe of Christ's
righteousness, WITHDRAWING FROM ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE WORLD."
That "IF" condition has no=
t been
complied with. The church has become married to the world by accepting=
its
Accreditation Standards for education. The church accepted those standard=
s in
1930. Also, the church has so wandered after the manner of the world =
that
it has nearly the same divorce percentage ratio as the world, and =
that
is according to two recent Adventist Review articles.
http://adventistreview.org/2003-1543/story4.h=
tml
Due to pre-marital classes and strict
regard for marriage being a sacrament, Catholics have
So Mother Babylon has a lower divorce
percentage rate among its members than its daughters. Do we now know why
Ellen White said that SDA's are worse than
"God's professed people are sel=
fish
and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God,
than the heathen, graven-image worshipers who have had no knowledge of a
better way." Testimonies, vol. 2, 441-442.
The following quote is taken from
Adventist Review:
http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1547/stor=
y1.html
"Despite the energy that most
churches put into premarital training, the divorce rate for Christians,
including Seventh-day Adventists (see sidebar "Religious Organizatio=
ns
and Issues Regarding Marriage"), is comparable to that in society. It
may be safe to assume that much of this energy hasn't always been spent in
the most effective manner."
The following quotes are taken from =
the
Adventist Review in 2005, at the following link:
http://www.adventistreview.org/2005-1514/stor=
y5.html
"Divorce is more prevalent among
Christians than the rest of the population, leaving broken hearts, shatte=
red
dreams and innocent children in its wake."
"Recent studies by the Barna Research Group reveal that 27 percent of born=
-again
Christians have been divorced. That compares with 24 percent of adults who
are not born-again."
Relate the above statements regarding
current trends of divorce in the SDA church, to the following statement by
Ellen White:
"We must as a people arouse and
cleanse the camp of
Were decided movements made to cure =
the
existing evil? Not according to current divorce statistics. Even Mother R=
ome
has a less divorce percentage ratio that Seventh-day =
Adventists,
and that is an abomination to sigh and cry over. So has the church become=
a
sister to fallen
Another way in which the church has =
become
in allegiance to the world is via ecumenical involvement with fallen chur=
ches
that cannot be distinguished from the world--The World Council of Churche=
s,
National Councils of Churches and their local subsidiaries, Ministerial
Associations of Babylon. SDA leaders use the excuse that we must come clo=
se
to the ministers of other faiths. That is their reason for liaison with t=
hese
bodies. But not one single person has ever been converted to Adventism by
such liaison. That is according to
The leaders lie about the church's
ecumenical involvement, but Vance Ferrell has proof. That is why I said t=
hat
you should write to him and procure that proof.
Ron's further response to Judy
Is Reformation Possible?
SDA leaders and the laity believe th=
at a
great reformation will occur that will purge the bad from the SDA church
militant leaving it purged and purified as the church triumphant. That is=
not
so. The church militant will be destroyed in another literal manifestatio=
n of
Ezekiel 9, as Ellen White and Ezekiel, chapters 5 and 9 attest.
A reformation will go through all fa=
llen
churches among the sincere in those churches--but not the denominational
church structures involved. A remnant will proceed out of all fallen chur=
ches
at the Loud Cry of the Third Angel.
Isa 37:31
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of
Isa 37:32
For out of
Remember, Isaiah wrote more for us t=
han
the Jews of old. Even though the above verses had a historic fulfillment
involving the Jews, the Lord has shown me emphatically that they will have
another end-time fulfillment.
Ezekiel 5
1 And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a b=
arber's
razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head a=
nd
upon thy beard: then take thee balances to weigh, and divide the hair. 2
Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the=
midst
of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a =
knife:
and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wi=
nd;
and I will draw out a sword after them. 3 Thou shalt
also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts. 4
The "few in number" bound =
in His
skirts (under His wings), are the remnant within the remnant of God's cho=
sen
people. After they escape, as they did in the PREFIGURE of A.D. 70, GC,
chapter 1, the remaining church structure will be destroyed. The
"thousands a day" who join the SDA church, join the SDA church
triumphant, out in the wilderness outposts, from whence the Loud Cry will=
be
made, as Ellen White and Scripture attests.
34 And I will bring you out from the people, an=
d will
gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty h=
and,
and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there
will I plead with you face to face. 36 Like=
as I
pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the
It is from the SDA Church Triumphant=
that
the tares are shaken, not the church militant structure.
COUNTERPART: "=
;The
Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this peopl=
e [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither=
span>
lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will
not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins that had called forth
this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests
bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will y=
e do
in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of th=
em,
every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the pri=
est,
every one dealeth falsely. They have healed a=
lso
the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when
there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will f=
ind
its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in t=
heir
daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of th=
eir
sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is
flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The
words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have
chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in
their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring th=
eir
fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Hera=
ld,
11-07-82.
COUNTERPART: "In the time=
of
the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the
precious jewels of truth with the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it=
was
impossible to distinguish the true from the false. The Saviour
came to clear away the rubbish of superstition and long-cherished errors,=
and
to set the jewels of God's word in the framework of truth. What would the=
Saviour do if he should come to us now as he did to=
the
Jews? He would have to do a similar work in clearing away the rubbish of
tradition and ceremony. The Jews were greatly disturbed when he did this =
work
[As are SDAs today!]. They had lost sight of =
the
original truth of God, but Christ brought it again to view. It is our wor=
k to
free the precious truths of God from superstition and error." E.G.
White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 308.
There is a modern COUNTERPART to the
ancient apostate "chosen people" of God. That modern COUNTERPAR=
T is
the people who claim to be the modern "chosen people" of God, t=
he
remnant, if you will.
There are over 100 statements to the
affect that SDAs are repeating the history of
ancient
"I have been shown that the spi=
rit of
the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as
did ancient
"Like ancient
"Among the professed followers =
of
Christ, there is the same pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, and
OPPRESSION, that existed in the Jewish nation." E.G. White, Sketches
from the Life of Paul, 251-252.
"God's professed people are sel=
fish
and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God,
than the heathen, graven-image worshipers who have had no knowledge of a
better way." Testimonies, vol. 2, 441-442.
Am I remiss in observing (reasoning)=
that
worse than heathen, graven-image worshippers, means worse than
"If the
If
"We must as a people arouse and=
cleanse
the camp of
"Now it is just EXACTLY as in t=
he
days of the Jews. When a message came in, why all the power of the leaders
[such some leaders on this forum] WAS PUT AGAINST IT, THAT IT SHOULD NOT =
HAVE ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE. Now, brethren, GO TO GOD =
FOR
YOURSELVES, and on your knees plead with God...If God sends us light, let=
it
come to us, and let no man close the door, or try to close it. Don't clos=
e it
yourselves. Open the door of your heart and let the brilliant rays of lig=
ht
shine into your heart and into your mind. I pray you,=
let the Sun of Righteousness in." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #90=
0,
Manuscript 9, 1890. 1888 Materials, p. 541.
Dear reader, I can tell you that all=
the
power of many SDA leaders and some of the laity on many different SDA
Internet forums, SDA Campmeetings, and in oth=
er
circles, has been put against my warning message that it should not have
access to the people. But God has assured me that this warning message wi=
ll
go to the earnest seekers for truth.
God bless,
Ron Beaulieu