The Godhead in Reference to

The Son of God Being Brought Forth

 

 22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

 27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

 28When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

 29When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

 30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Proverbs 8:22-30.

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I have supplicated the Lord to the effect that if it was His pleasure that I be shown the meaning of brought forth in Proverbs 8:24, in a way that nothing would contradict with the verses of Scripture identifying Christ as the Alpha and Omega, and Ellen White's statements that Christ was eternal, everlasting. The Lord showed me that "brought forth" in Proverbs 8:24 and coming forth from the Father’s bosom, is the very same as "begotten," and Christ was "begotten," brought  (slain) from the foundation of the earth. The bosom of the Father is His eternal Spirit, and at His death on the cross, Christ offered Himself up through that ONE eternal Spirit.

 

If you will click on the words "I was brought forth" in Proverbs 8:24, in the Linked Word Project Bible further down, you will find the following definition of "brought forth."

Consider friend, if  the words "I was brought forth" in Proverbs 8:24 mean that Christ first came into existence at the time this verse refers to, why the meanings I have highlighted in red in the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, definition 2342 below? The Lord showed me that the words "I was brought forth" mean the same as being slain from the foundation of the earth...before the earth was created:

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  

 

In essence, Christ was slain from the foundation of the earth by the omniscient knowledge He had at that time. He foresaw and felt what He would endure on the cross, knowing the beginning from the end. It was like experiencing that very destiny at that time. Yet, He agreed to endure that suffering to redeem man.

 

The Everlasting Covenant was made from the foundation of the earth (before the earth was made) says Ellen White. This accords with Ellen White's statement that being "begotten" refers to the Incarnation. By this reasoning, NOTHING CONTRADICTS CONCERNING THE GODHEAD as written in the Bible and in the Spirit of Prophecy. And this is how we are instructed to interpret the Word of God:

 

Weight of Evidence Formula: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, [interpreter] since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." E.G. White, Second Advent Review and Herald, 11-25-84, pr. 24.

 

These words of Proverbs 8, coincide perfectly with the Son being slain from the foundation of the earth--from everlasting, from the beginning, because that is how long THE EVERLASTING COVENANT has been in force. So Christ was "brought forth," (slain--begotten of the Father) proceeded from the Father at His (Christ's) being slain from the very beginning of all things--FROM EVERLASTING--FROM ETERNITY, from the very moment He volunteered to be the sacrifice for mankind and that was from EVERLASTING as was the EVERLASTING COVENANT.

 

One of the mysteries of the Incarnation is how the Everlasting Covenant accrued from Everlasting with the Son as its Testator, while at the same time He emptied (divested) Himself of some of the attributes of the Godhead. If, as Ellen White states, we will be learning about the mysteries of the Godhead for eternity, we certainly do not and cannot know all about it now. And thus, there are some “apparent” contradictions that are not contradictory at all.

 

I think of the “apparent” contradiction that Ellen White says Christ was God in the highest sense, yet He divested Himself of some of the attributes from eternity when the Everlasting Covenant was formed. This is beyond our capacity to resolve at this time. These are the types of issues we will be learning about for eternity. 

22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

 27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

 28When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

 29When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

 30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Proverbs 8:22-30.

Being by the Father “as one brought up with him,” is very different from being brought up by the Father. The Everlasting Covenant was just that. It was construed from Everlasting and Christ was the Testator of that Covenant.

 At the Incarnation, the Son was torn (brought forth) from the bosom of the Father in the sense that He was divested from the shared essence of Spirit ONLY as the substance of the Father in that He was emptied of the attributes of omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence, to become the Son of God in a new sense. Thus, in the creation of the world, the Father gave power to the Son to create.

 

Meaning of “brought forth” in Proverbs 8:22-30 and the words “to be born,” as part of the definition of brought forth:

 

Number 2342

Transliteration:

chuwl {khool} or chiyl {kheel}

Word Origin:

a primitive root

TWOT:

623

Part of Speech:

verb

Usage in the KJV:

pain 6, formed 5, bring forth 4, pained 4, tremble 4, travail 4, dance 2, calve 2, grieved 2, grievous 2, wounded 2, shake 2, misc 23

Total: 62

Definition:

1.    to twist, whirl, dance, writhe, fear, tremble, travail, be in anguish, be pained

1.    (Qal)

1.    to dance

2.    to twist, writhe

3.    to whirl, whirl about

2.    (Polel)

1.    to dance

2.    to writhe (in travail with), bear, bring forth

3.    to wait anxiously

3.    (Pulal)

1.    to be made to writhe, be made to bear

2.    to be brought forth

4.    (Hophal) to be born

5.    (Hithpolel)

1.    whirling (participle)

2.    writhing, suffering torture (participle)

3.    to wait longingly

6.    (Hithpalpel) to be distressed

TDNT - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
TWOT - Theological Word Book of the Old Testament

 

The words “to be born” referred to the Incarnation which was essentially from everlasting in lieu of the Everlasting Covenant. As stated, when the Testator Covenant was made by the Son, He felt all the pangs of the sacrifice involved because he possessed omniscience as He volunteered to be our offering for sin.

 

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Chapter 8

1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

18 Riches and honour are with me; yea , durable riches and righteousness.

19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

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Christ was the Testator of the Everlasting Covenant which was framed from Everlasting

 

Before Sin Arose, God Had a Plan

 

     “God and Christ knew from the beginning of the apostasy of Satan and of the fall of Adam through the deceptive power of the apostate. The plan of salvation was designed to redeem the fallen race, to give them another trial. Christ was appointed to the office of Mediator from the creation of God, set up from everlasting to be our

substitute and surety.”--1SM 250. {TA 24.4}

 

     “Known unto God are all His works, and from eternal ages the covenant of grace (unmerited favor) existed in the mind of God. It is called the everlasting covenant; for the plan of salvation was not conceived after the fall of man, but it was that which was "kept in silence through times eternal, but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known unto all the nations unto obedience of faith." Rom. 16:25, 26, A.R.V.--ST Dec. 5, 1914. {TA 25.1}

 

     “The plan for our redemption was not an afterthought, a plan formulated after the fall of Adam. It was a revelation of "the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal." Rom. 16:25, R.V. It was an unfolding of the principles that from eternal ages have been the foundation of God's throne. . . . God did not ordain that sin should exist, but He foresaw its existence, and made provision to meet the terrible emergency.--DA 22. {TA 25.2}

Hbr 9:16 For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Hbr 9:17 For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Jesus had to be eternal to be party as Testator to the Everlasting Covenant.

What About Being in the Bosom of the Father

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

 

Jhn 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

 

Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

 

The word bosom in John 1:18 and in John 13:23 is of the very same meaning. Also, the word bosom designates (represents) the communion between Christ and the eternal God, and the communion between Christ and us.

 

“However much a shepherd may love his sheep, he loves his sons and daughters more. Jesus is not only our shepherd He is our "everlasting Father." And He says, "I know Mine own, and Mine own know Me, even as the Father knoweth Me, and I know the Father." John 10:14, 15, R.V. What a statement is this!--the only-begotten Son, He who is in the bosom of the Father, He whom God has declared to be "the Man that is My fellow" (Zech. 13:7),--the communion between Him and the eternal God is taken to represent the communion between Christ and His children on the earth!”--The Desire of Ages, p. 483. {7ABC 438.4}

 

“Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” {RH, April 5, 1906 par. 6}


“The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father.” {RH, April 5, 1906 par. 7}

 

Meaning of the word bosom in John 1:18 and John 8:42:

 

Number 2859

Transliteration:

kolpos {kol'-pos}

Word Origin:

apparently a primary word

TDNT:

3:824,452

Part of Speech:

noun masculine

Usage in the KJV:

bosom 5, creek 1

 

Total: 6

Definition:

the front of the body between the arms

the bosom of a garment, i.e. the hollow formed by the upper forepart of a rather loose garment bound by a girdle or sash, used for keeping and carrying things (the fold or pocket)

a bay of the sea

TDNT - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament

TWOT - Theological Word Book of

 

In the following definition the words “to be born” refers to the Incarnation.

 

 

Compare this study with the following document. It might appear to some that I am hard on Mr. Franks in this document, but he was witness to me going all through this weeks earlier with Russell Unterschultz. He well knew my position. There are many other points of proof of my position in the following document.

 

http://omega77.tripod.com/christaseternal.htm

 

 

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