The Great Tribulation

Of

Matthew 24:21

Past—Future, or Both?

 

“In his answer, Jesus did not take up separately the destruction of Jerusalem and the last great day of his coming. He mingled the description of these two events. When he spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem, his words referred also to the final destruction that will take place when the Lord rises out of his place to punish the world for its iniquity. The entire chapter in which are recorded Christ's words regarding this [Matthew 24 in context], is a warning to all who shall live during the last scenes of this earth's history. {RH, December 13, 1898 par. 14}

 

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This document concerns a post to Adventist-fm forum concerning my teachings, and the lack of a proper response by two individuals I refer to as Stevio and Gario.

 

There are many who scoff at the need of another prophet messenger to set things aright in the framework of truth at the end-time. One such individual made the following post #36622 at Adventist-fm forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adventist-fm/messages

 

Let’s investigate the facts of the issue cited by brother S in order to establish the identity of the spirit that causes him to feel uneasy and causes him to hesitate to believe what I teach. That should prove to be an interesting and rewarding pursuit.

 

 

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Ron Beaulieu dangerous false prophet
Recently a Ron Beaulieu posted some messages to the List. On reading them briefly I immediately felt uneasy. I have since accessed his Website and downloaded...

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----- Original Message -----

From: brother S

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:24 PM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Ron Beaulieu dangerous false prophet

 



Recently a Ron Beaulieu posted some messages to the List. On reading them briefly I immediately felt uneasy. I have since accessed his Website and downloaded some of his articles. My uneasiness has increased. This man is placed alongside of Ellen White as having been especially chosen as a prophet (not necessarily predicting future events) to bring urgent messages to the SDA Church and to the world. His special task is "exposing the cherished errors of the professing SDA Church, and to set things to order in a framework of truth which transcends the accomplishments of any other SDA Messenger who has ever been called to this task, other than Ellen G White herself." He is supposedly ordained as God's "Swift Messenger."

This man is a false prophet, but I believe I must sound a warning of caution against accepting this man as God's Messenger for this time. False prophets introduce themselves with a lot of truth before presenting specious errors (Jeanine Sautron for instance). We can sometimes be so caught up that it is hard for us to turn around and back away from error once we have falsely accepted a person as being genuine.

I could write much more, but at the moment I will point out just one thing that should make you hesitate about accepting the claims of Ron Beaulieu. He asserts that the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24 refers to Jacob's Trouble and the seven last plagues. This is false as a thorough study of Scripture will demonstrate. Ellen White applies the Tribulation of Matthew 24 to the papal persecutions during the 1260 years of Daniel 7. And she is correct while Ron Beaulieu is wrong (see Great Controversy 267, 393; Desire of Ages 630-631).


Signed: brother S _ _ _ _


Ron’s response to brother S: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. An inability and/or unwillingness to take every word of evidence relative to any issue and interpret so that nothing contradicts, makes it impossible for persons like brother S to arrive at the truth because only by following the weight of evidence formula as stated below, is it possible to know you are not in error:

 

1.   Weight of Evidence Formula: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, [interpreter] since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." E.G. White, Second Advent Review and Herald, 11-25-34, pr. 24.

 

Relative to the following quote, a notation is made at the very bottom of the page of Desire of Ages 627. That notation says: “This chapter [69] is based on Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21:5-38. This is just two pages back from brother S’s reference in Desire of Ages, 630.

 

Matthew 24 "When He referred to the destruction of Jerusalem, [Matthew 24:15, 16] His prophetic words reached beyond that even to the final conflagration in that day when the Lord shall rise out of His place to punish for their iniquity, when the earth shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.  This entire discourse was given, not for the disciples only, but for those who should live in the last scenes of this earth's history."  E.G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 628.

 

It is interesting that brother S neglected to read and/or co-relate the above statement appearing just two pages back from his proffered reference of Desire of Ages, 630, to find that the entire discourse of Matthew 24 IN CONTEXT of Chapter 69,

 

Since Brother S maintains that Ellen White applied the great tribulation described in Matthew 24:21, only to the dark ages. Let us get the full context from the Bible. Let’s see if there is a reference to the end of the world. Were the dark ages the end of the world? If brother S is correct, then Ellen White would directly contradict Matthew 24:3.

 

Matthew 24


1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming,
and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

Ellen White’s Great Controversy 267, 393 Statements as Quoted by Brother S

 

“The suppression of the Scriptures during the period of papal supremacy was foretold by the prophets; and the Revelator points also to the terrible results that were to accrue especially to France from the domination of the "man of sin." {GC 266.1}

     Said the angel of the Lord: "The holy city shall they tread underfoot forty and two months. And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. . . . And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. . . . And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." Revelation 11:2-11. {GC 266.2}

     The periods here mentioned--"forty and two months," and "a thousand two hundred and threescore days"--are the same, alike representing the time in which the church of Christ was to suffer oppression from Rome. The 1260 years of papal supremacy began in A.D. 538, and would therefore terminate in 1798. (See Appendix note for page 54.) At that time a French army entered Rome and made the pope a prisoner, and he died in exile. Though a new pope was soon afterward elected, the papal hierarchy has never since been able to wield the power which it before possessed. {GC 266.3}

     The persecution of the church did not continue throughout the entire period of the 1260 years. God in mercy to His people cut short the time of their fiery trial. In foretelling the
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"great tribulation" to befall the church, the Saviour said: "Except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. Through the influence of the Reformation the persecution was brought to an end prior to 1798.
{GC 266.4}

     Concerning the two witnesses the prophet declares further: "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." "Thy word," said the psalmist, "is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Revelation 11:4; Psalm 119:105. The two witnesses represent the Scriptures of the Old and the New Testament. Both are important testimonies to the origin and perpetuity of the law of God. Both are witnesses also to the plan of salvation. The types, sacrifices, and prophecies of the Old Testament point forward to a Saviour to come. The Gospels and Epistles of the New Testament tell of a Saviour who has come in the exact manner foretold by type and prophecy. {GC 267.1}

     "They shall prophecy a thousand two hundred and three-score days, clothed in sackcloth." During the greater part of this period, God's witnesses remained in a state of obscurity. The papal power sought to hide from the people the word of truth, and set before them false witnesses to contradict its testimony. (See Appendix.) When the Bible was proscribed by religious and secular authority; when its testimony was perverted, and every effort made that men and demons could invent to turn the minds of the people from it; when those who dared proclaim its sacred truths were hunted, betrayed, tortured, buried in dungeon cells, martyred for their faith, or compelled to flee to mountain fastnesses, and to dens and caves of the earth--then the faithful witnesses prophesied in sackcloth. Yet they continued their testimony throughout the entire period of 1260 years. In the darkest times there were faithful men who loved God's word and were jealous for His honor. To these loyal servants were
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given wisdom, power, and authority to declare His truth during the whole of this time. {GC 267.2}

     "And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed." Revelation 11:5. Men cannot with impunity trample upon the word of God. The meaning of this fearful denunciation is set forth in the closing chapter of the Revelation: "I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18, 19. {GC 268.1}

     Such are the warnings which God has given to guard men against changing in any manner that which He has revealed or commanded. These solemn denunciations apply to all who by their influence lead men to regard lightly the law of God. They should cause those to fear and tremble who flippantly declare it a matter of little consequence whether we obey God's law or not. All who exalt their own opinions above divine revelation, all who would change the plain meaning of Scripture to suit their own convenience, or for the sake of conforming to the world, are taking upon themselves a fearful responsibility. The written word, the law of God, will measure the character of every man and condemn all whom this unerring test shall declare wanting. {GC 268.2}

     "When they shall have finished [are finishing] their testimony." The period when the two witnesses were to prophesy clothed in sackcloth, ended in 1798. As they were approaching the termination of their work in obscurity, war was to be made upon them by the power represented as "the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit." In many of the nations of Europe the powers that ruled in church and state had for centuries been controlled by Satan through the
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medium of the papacy. But here is brought to view a new manifestation of satanic power. {GC 268.3}

The Great Controversy 393 Reference Quoted by Brother S

“In Matthew 24, in answer to the question of His disciples concerning the sign of His coming and of the end of the world, Christ had pointed out some of the most important events in the history of the world and of the church from His first to His second advent; namely, the destruction of Jerusalem, the great tribulation of the church under the pagan and papal persecutions, the darkening of the sun and moon, and the falling of the stars. After this He spoke of His coming in His kingdom, and related the parable describing the two classes of servants who look for His appearing. Chapter 25 opens with the words: "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins." Here is brought to view the church living in the last days, the same that is pointed out in the close of chapter 24. In this parable their experience is illustrated by the incidents of an Eastern marriage. {GC 393.2}

     "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." {GC 393.3}

     “The coming of Christ, as announced by the first angel's message, was understood to be represented by the coming of the bridegroom. The widespread reformation under the proclamation of His soon coming, answered to the going forth of the virgins. In this parable, as in that of Matthew 24, two classes are represented. All had taken their lamps, the Bible, and by its light had gone forth to meet the Bridegroom. But while "they that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them," "the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps." The latter class had received the grace of God, the regenerating, enlightening power of the Holy Spirit, which renders His word a lamp to the feet and a light to the path. In the fear of God they had studied the Scriptures to learn the truth, and had earnestly sought for purity of heart and life. These had a personal experience, a faith in God and in His word, which could not be overthrown by disappointment and delay. Others "took their lamps, and took no oil with them." They had moved from impulse. Their fears had been excited by the solemn message, but they had depended upon the faith of their brethren, satisfied with the flickering light of good emotions, without a thorough understanding of the truth or a genuine work of grace in the heart. These had gone forth to meet the Lord, full of hope in the prospect of immediate reward; but they were not prepared for delay and disappointment. When trials came, their faith failed, and their lights burned dim. {GC 393.4}

Ron’s Commentary: There can be no doubt that Ellen White, as well as the Bible, applies the time of Matthew 24 to three different periods:

1.    The great tribulation of A.D. 70, when Jerusalem was destroyed after all true Christians fled to the mountains of Pella per Matthew 24:15, 16, 3 ½ years prior to avoid the destruction.

2.    The Dark Ages great tribulation of papal persecution.

3.    The end-time great tribulation that begins when the wound of the papacy is healed, Rev. 13.

Revelation 13 reapplies the 1260 days in literal time as they begin (verses 1-5) in context, after the healing of the wound. And as you will see below, Ellen White said that the entire Chapter is a revelation of what WILL (future) take place.


"Chap. 364 - Breathing the Atmosphere of Heaven

 

     These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev. 7:14. {HP 370.1}

 

     John, while in vision, saw a company clothed in white robes. . . . They were seen in the temple of God. This will be the result for all who will lay hold of the merits of Christ and wash their robes in His blood. Every provision has been made so that we can sit with Christ upon His throne, but the condition is that we be in harmony with the law of God...." {HP 370.2}

 

Note by Ron: Only the 144,000 enter the Temple of God in heaven. And the 144,000, as the final generation, are translated without seeing death. Early Writings, p. 19.

 

     “A precious, affectionate John was an exile on the lonely Isle of Patmos, but here Jesus met with him and revealed to him events . . . stretching over the ages to the coming of Christ, and making known the counsel of the Lord for future ages. . . . He was permitted to look upon the throne of God and to behold the white-robed redeemed ones who had come out of great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” {HP 271.6}

 

     If you are called to go through the fiery furnace for His sake, Jesus will be by your side even as He was with the faithful three in Babylon. Those who love their Redeemer will rejoice at every opportunity of sharing with Him humiliation and reproach. The love they bear their Lord makes suffering for His sake sweet. {HP 271.7}

 

Entire Chapter of Revelation 13 Will (Future) Surely Take Place

 

“The Sabbath question will be the issue in the great conflict in which all the world will act a part. [Rev. 13:4-8, 10 quoted.] This ENTIRE CHAPTER is a revelation of what will surely take place (future) [Rev. 13:11, 15-17 quoted] E.G. White, (MS 88, 1897)., SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7a, p. 979. Col. 2.

7: A VISION OF THE NEW EARTH

[AT THE TIME OF ANOTHER VISIT AT THE HOME OF MRS. HAINES, ABOUT A YEAR AFTER THE FIRST VISION, THERE WAS GIVEN TO MISS HARMON A VISION OF THE NEW EARTH, AND THE DESCENT OF THE HOLY CITY, WHICH TAKES PLACE AT THE END OF THE THOUSAND YEARS AFTER CHRIST'S SECOND ADVENT. REVELATION 21:10-27; ZECHARIAH 14:4.]

 

     With Jesus at our head we all descended from the city down to this earth, on a great and mighty mountain, which could not bear Jesus up, and it parted asunder, and there was a mighty plain. Then we looked up and saw the great city, with twelve foundations, and twelve gates, three on each side, and an angel at each gate. We all cried out, "The city, the great city, it's coming, it's coming down from God out of heaven," and it came and settled on the place where we stood. {CET 62.1}

 

     Then we began to look at the glorious things outside of the city. There I saw most glorious houses, that had the appearance of silver, supported by four pillars set with pearls most glorious to behold. These were to be inhabited by the saints. In each was a golden shelf. I saw many of the saints go into the houses, take off their glittering crowns and lay them on the shelf, then go out into the field by the houses to do something with the earth; not as we have to do with the earth here; no, no. A glorious light shone all about their heads, and they were continually shouting and offering praises to God. {CET 62.2}

 

     I saw another field full of all kinds of flowers, and as I plucked them, I cried out, "They will never fade." Next I saw a field of tall grass, most glorious to behold; it was living green, and had a reflection of silver and gold, as it waved proudly to the glory of King Jesus. Then we entered a field full of all kinds of beasts,--the lion, the lamb, the leopard, and the wolf, all together in perfect union. We passed through the midst of them, and they followed on peaceably after. Then we entered a wood, not like the dark woods we have here; no, no; but light, and all over glorious; the branches of the trees waved to and fro, and we all cried out, "We will dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods." We passed through the woods, for we were on our way to Mount Zion. {CET 62.3}

 

     As we were traveling along, we met a company who also were gazing at the glories of the place. I noticed red as a border on their garments; their crowns were brilliant; their robes were pure white. As we greeted them, I asked Jesus who they were. He said they were martyrs that had been slain for Him. With them was an innumerable company of little ones; they also had a hem of red on their garments. {CET 63.1}

 

     Mount Zion was just before us, and on the mount was a glorious temple, and about it were seven other mountains, on which grew roses and lilies. And I saw the little ones climb, or, if they chose, use their little wings and fly to the top of the mountains, and pluck the never-fading flowers. There were all kinds of trees around the temple to beautify the place; the box, the pine, the fir, the oil, the myrtle, the pomegranate, and the fig-tree bowed down with the weight of its timely figs,--these made the place all over glorious. And as we were about to enter the holy temple, Jesus raised His lovely voice and said, "Only the 144,000 enter this place," and we shouted, "Alleluia." {CET 63.2}

 

     This temple was supported by seven pillars, all of transparent gold, set with pearls most glorious. The wonderful things I there saw, I cannot describe. Oh, that I could talk in the language of Canaan, then could I tell a little of the glory of the better world.

 

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I saw there tables of stone in which the names of the 144,000 were engraved in letters of gold. {CET 63.3}

 

     After we beheld the glory of the temple, we went out, and Jesus left us, and went to the city. Soon we heard His lovely voice again, saying: "Come, My people, you have come out of great tribulation, and done My will; suffered for Me; come in to supper, for I will gird Myself, and serve you." We shouted, "Alleluia! glory!" and entered into the city. {CET 64.1}

 

     And I saw a table of pure silver; it was many miles in length, yet our eyes could extend over it. I saw the fruit of the tree of life, the manna, almonds, figs, pomegranates, grapes, and many other kinds of fruit. {CET 64.2}

 

     I asked Jesus to let me eat of the fruit. He said: "Not now. Those who eat of the fruit of this land, go back to earth no more. But in a little while, if faithful, you shall both eat of the fruit of the tree of life, and drink of the water of the fountain." And He said, "You must go back to the earth again, and relate to others what I have revealed to you." Then an angel bore me gently down to this dark world. {CET 64.3}

 

Conclusions

 

·       Ellen White said that many of the prophesies have more than one fulfillment.

·       The Bible speaks of those who come out of great tribulation. Ellen White defines these as the 144,000, who are translated without seeing death—the final generation.

·       Matthew 24 obviously is one of the prophesies that have more than one fulfillment because verses 15, 16, applied from A.D. 66 (the fleeing of all true Christians to the mountains of Pella) until A.D. 70, at which time the Temple and then the city of Jerusalem were destroyed.

·       Ellen White applies Matthew 24 to the dark ages.

·       Ellen White also applies Matthew 24 to the end-time, as does the Bible, to wit: “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Matthew 24:3.

·       Ellen White repeats the entire chapter of Revelation 13, which includes a 1260 day literal time period.

·       Brother S was evidently unable to rightly divide the Word and come to a knowledge of the full truth based on the full weight of evidence regarding Matthew 24 and the final time of great tribulation that is to come upon the whole world, Revelation 3:10-12, and Matthew 24:21.

·       If Gario is indeed “Brother S,” as many believe, then he better construe another alias because Brother S has destroyed his credibility as a discerner of truth.

·       It is thought by some that Gario uses the alias Brother S to advance his “fishing expositions” of attempts to “test” his teachings that will hopefully discredit Ron Beaulieu. Then when these attempts fail, as they always do, brother S appears as the imposter “ghost writer” fall guy in lieu of Gario.

 

—rwb

 

Below is Stevio’s initial response to Brother S’s post. One would think that Stevio would know that the greatest time of trouble is at the end time and that the context of Matthew 24 is established in verse 3, as the end of the world! One would think that Brother S (Probably Gario’s alias) would know that as well!

 

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Stevio

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:45 PM

Subject: RE: [Adventist-fm] Ron Beaulieu dangerous false prophet

 




Very interesting Brother S! That’s an interesting point you’ve raised there and I’ll enjoy looking into it some more and checking the references you’ve given. Certainly Ron was so intent in destroying Gario’s points on Iran recently that he went so far as to say that Iran would be “a momentous beginning to the time of trouble”, which I quickly proved as gross error with a few Ellen White and Scripture references. Ron then suddenly danced backward and even more disturbing , he became so angry he screamed in one email that we would be destroyed and come to a tragic end! Imagine going to somebody’s house for a Bible lesson and preaching to them like that? I think it shows a certain CULT LIKE  attitude from Ron if anybody dares challenge him. I think Gario is right, there is a mental illness festering like a splinter in his mind!

                                                           

 

Certainly Ron was so intent in destroying Gario’s points on Iran recently that he went so far as to say that Iran would be “a momentous beginning to the time of trouble”, which I quickly proved as gross error with a few Ellen White and Scripture references. Ron then suddenly danced backward and even more disturbing , he became so angry he screamed in one email that we would be destroyed and come to a tragic end! Imagine going to somebody’s house for a Bible lesson and preaching to them like that? I think it shows a certain CULT LIKE  attitude from Ron if anybody dares challenge him. I think Gario is right, there is a mental illness festering like a splinter in his mind!

 

Stevio.         

 

Ron responds: http://omega77.tripod.com/spiritofsatan1.htm

http://omega77.tripod.com/distortions1.htm

 

It is now nearing the end of the day of brother S’s errant statement on the Great Tribulation. Neither Stevio or Gario has corrected his serious error. There has been total silence about that error that was designed to truncate my ministry. That is an example of the lack of honesty and integrity possessed by Stevio and Gario. They would sooner remain silent about this serious error than establish the truth to about 400 members of Adventist-fm forum. Clearly, their great hate for me and my warning message, transcends their love for the truth and setting the truth forth to brother S.

 

—rwb

 


From: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brother_s
Sent: Monday, 30 August 2010 8:24 AM
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Adventist-fm] Ron Beaulieu dangerous false prophet

 

 

Recently a Ron Beaulieu posted some messages to the List. On reading them briefly I immediately felt uneasy. I have since accessed his Website and downloaded some of his articles. My uneasiness has increased. This man is placed alongside of Ellen White as having been especially chosen as a prophet (not necessarily predicting future events) to bring urgent messages to the SDA Church and to the world. His special task is "exposing the cherished errors of the professing SDA Church, and to set things to order in a framework of truth which transcends the accomplishments of any other SDA Messenger who has ever been called to this task, other than Ellen G White herself." He is supposedly ordained as God's "Swift Messenger."

This man is a false prophet, but I believe I must sound a warning of caution against accepting this man as God's Messenger for this time. False prophets introduce themselves with a lot of truth before presenting specious errors (Jeanine Sautron for instance). We can sometimes be so caught up that it is hard for us to turn around and back away from error once we have falsely accepted a person as being genuine.

I could write much more, but at the moment I will point out just one thing that should make you hesitate about accepting the claims of Ron Beaulieu. He asserts that the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24 refers to Jacob's Trouble and the seven last plagues. This is false as a thorough study of Scripture will demonstrate. Ellen White applies the Tribulation of Matthew 24 to the papal persecutions during the 1260 years of Daniel 7. And she is correct while Ron Beaulieu is wrong (see Great Controversy 267, 393; Desire of Ages 630-631).


brother S