SDA
Internet Group Therapy—Session #7
by Ron Beaulieu
Motto:
"If any man teach
otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord
Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He
is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words,
whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse
disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing
that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." -1 Timothy 6:3-5
Dear Reader,
The following exchange is between myself
and Bryan (last name withheld), the son of an SDA minister.
Below, Bryan is responding to my post to
him. He quotes my full post first. Then I intersperse my comments in rebuttal
under his statements. All my statements are in this color
print.
My comments interspersed under yours
Bryan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan (Last name withheld)
To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: [SDAIssues] short analysis of
Jeremiah
At 02:44 PM 7/23/2007, you wrote:
The SDA church has done everything the Jews
of Jeremiah 11:9-15 did. Verse 15 says that the Holy Flesh departed. And so
it has departed from the SDA church. Satan took over long ago.
"Satan has COME IN with his specious temptations, and has led the
professed followers of Christ away from the [PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing
them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies to Ministers, p. 130.
There are two masters. Christ does not abide where Satan rules. How do I know
the above statement still applies today? The church is still Laodicean, and Ellen
White said that the Laodicean state is the foolish virgin state of the
church. The following statements are not just whistling Dixie! They mean what
they say:
"The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also
spoken of as the Laodicean state." E.G. White, Review and Herald,
8/19/1890.
"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in
her midst." E.G. White, Notebook Leaflets, p. 99, 1898.
"To the end of time, the presence of the Spirit is to abide with
the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.
Ron
Bryan responds:
Let's take this verse by verse Ron. I'll even do it in KJV:
Jeremiah
11:9-15 (King James Version)
9And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of
Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
This cannot be proven about SDA
even remotely similar to what happened in the Jews. They were
conspiring to worship Baal and things like that. Even your worst
accusations are only about changing doctrines, not worshipping idols.
Ron responds: A synonym to conspiracy
is confederacy. I can and have proven that SDA's are in conspiracy and
confederacy with Babylon. Vance Ferrell has proven it as well. It is a form
of Baal worship to make concessions to Babylon and agree to tone down the
Sabbath and Mark of the Beast issues. Vance Ferrell has a wealth of proof on
this issue. You are duty bound to obtain it and study it.
10They are turned back to the
iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they
went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of
Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
SDA is not going after other
Gods. They have rejected the false ideas of their forefathers that
Jesus wasn't God and quite a number of other doctrinal errors of the arian
sort. They have stopped eating pork and smoking as the first pioneers did and
many other things. There are problems to be sure. But, none of them
even remotely as bad as Ron's addiction to constant lying.
Ron responds: The World Council of
Churches embraces all religions and all gods of those religions. Their goal
is to bring all religions together into visible unity. By association,
counsel and confederation with the WCC and their subsidiary organizations,
SDA's have gone after other gods, and when they get into trouble for doing
that, God says in essence: "Don't call on me for help." And they
will get into trouble with God and Babylon for going to Babylon for aid. It
will finally arouse the indignation of Babylon, that SDA's will harlot and
whore around with them and then call their members out of Babylon.
14Therefore pray not thou for this
people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in
the time that they cry unto me for their trouble. Jer. 11:14.
The SDA Bible Commentary says that
Babylon will be the destroyers. When the church gets in trouble during the
great time of Jacob's trouble, and Babylon is about to slaughter modern
Jerusalem, the SDA church, they will cry to God, but He will not hear them in
the time of their trouble.
11Therefore thus saith the
LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to
escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.
12Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and
cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them
at all in the time of their trouble.
SDAs do not offer incense to other
gods.
Ron responds: Ellen White mentions the
UNBELIEF of the watchmen in 5T 211. The deference that has been made to
Babylon and the conspired compromises are like incense offered to other
God's--Baal, Babylon, Satan. Ellen White says that Satan has come in and led
the professed followers of Christ (SDA's) away from the Leader, classing
them with the foolish virgins. That is offering incesne to other gods, even
Satan!
Change
Leaders: "Satan has COME IN with his specious temptations, and has led
the professed followers of Christ away from the [PILOT] Leader (Christ),
classing them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies to Ministers,
p. 130.
Change Leaders: "Refusing to follow in the path of obedience, they
transferred their allegiance to Satan. The enemy rejoiced in his
success in effacing the divine image from the minds of the people that God
had chosen as His representatives. Through [ECUMENICAL] intermarriage with
idolaters and CONSTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THEM [Isa. 8:9-20], Satan brought
about that for which he had long been working,--a national apostasy." Fundamentals
to Christian Education, p. 449.
13For according to the number
of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the
streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even
altars to burn incense unto Baal.
There were as many different gods
that they worshipped as cities and streets. This has nothing even remotely
similar to SDAs. There could be a parallel among individuals..gods of
sport, gods of lying, gods of distortion, gods of misrepresentation, gods of
wealth, fame, pride, etc. The conservatives would be leaders in
worshipping many of these gods and Ron would be the priest of about 1/2 of
these gods mentioned. But, the official SDA church has never condoned
or worshipped any of the ancient or modern type of God's as an official
policy. They have warned against all of them.
Ron responds: The worship of Satan has
taken different forms today. Spiritualism is one of those forms and
spiritualism has invaded the church and is far more prevalent that most even
begin to be aware of. Leland Kaiser is just a drop in the bucket! The
official church leadership has condoned much evil in practice. It has
condoned a false gospel which is taught side-by-side with the truth. But God
does not accept a half-Satan, half-Christ gospel.
14Therefore pray not thou for
this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear
them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.
Since the first conditions do not
apply to SDA in the remotest, this one can't either.
Ron responds: You have no spiritual
discernment to see the connections with the first conditions. You are like
the blind leaders leading the blind--thus your perrenial peace and safety
stance.
15What hath my beloved to do in
mine house, seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is
passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.
This hasn't remotely happened in SDA. She has made mistakes yes, the
biggest one being lethargy and inaction as is the characteristic of Laodicea.
But, there is nothing remotely like doctrinal lewdness that has happened in
SDA. The worst one was some people (not all), rejecting the
sanctuary..and that's mostly finished and conquered.
Ron responds: The church has wrought
lewdness with many other fallen churches by association, counsel, confederacy
and joint Easter sunrise worship. This is confusing to Babylon when the
church considers them good enough to joint-worship with and then calls their
members out of their churches. This will arouse their fury before it is all
over! Babylon will be their (SDA's) destroyers! as was the case in the
prefigure!
The church has wrought lewdness with
many by going to Babylon, Bill Hybels and Rick Warren to learn how to
celebrate and bring every uncouth thing into its campmeetings JUST BEFORE THE
CLOSE OF PROBATION. It all begins as a "breaking in" process and
like you say Bryan, it is not full-blown in many churches and seems quite okay.
But in other churches it has progressed to its inevitable result and the
evils of it all are apparent to the spiritually discerning mind. Ellen
White's statement that every uncouth thing, including DANCING, has come into
our camp meetings JUST BEFORE PROBATIONS CLOSES, but you are not discerning
enough to realize the gravity of it all Bryan. You are the son of a blind
leader of the blind. Ulicia is the wife of a blind leader of the blind. You
will lead to destruction.
In this very short analysis as in most others Ron's theory falls completely
flat on it's face when analyzed to any depth. If I had more time, I
could destroy his crazy interpretations even further, but must run to
class..even in vacation, I'm teaching as much as most full time
teachers. And if I can do this so easily with such a short amount of
time, think what someone who is a real expert with lots of time could
do...this is just so amazing that Ron is like a broken record on so many of
this theories that are so extremely shallow and perverse and imaginative
speculation.
Bryan
Ron responds:
There are Doctors of Divinity SDA pastors such as Dr. John Grosboll and Dr.
Ralph Larson, who realize that the church has committed UNPARDONABLE
APOSTASY, and they say so in their joint article entitled None Dare Call it Apostasy. So it is
not Ron's theory. It is the discernment of all true reformers and their
numbers grow everyday. Ellen White prophesied that standard after standard
would be left trailing in the dust and that the church would become the tail
instead of the head, and so it has! When we consult Babylon (Baal) as to how
to worship and grow the church, we have consulted other gods--even Satan.
That act was tantamount to Saul consulting a witch. SDA's have consulted a
Warlock, the chief Warlock, Satan himself. A fallen angel becomes a fiend.
Here is the link to the article: None Dare Call it Apostasy http://www.steps2life.org/library/jgrosball/nonedare_1.htm
Bryan and Ulicia (last name withheld)
have a conflict of interest in calling apostasy by its right name. Bryan’s
father is an SDA minister, as is Ulicia’s husband. But beyond that, they both
seem blind to the gravity of the apostasy of the church leaders. It is that
apostasy that has made true reformers necessary.
Ron
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