The
False Teaching of the Creation SDA Church
on
The Mark of the Beast
“The time is not
far distant when the test will come to every
soul. The mark of the beast will be urged
upon us. Those who have step by step yielded to worldly demands and conformed
to worldly customs will not find it a hard matter to yield to the powers that
be, rather than subject themselves to derision, insult, threatened
imprisonment, and death. The contest is between the commandments of God and the
commandments of men.” Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 81.
The Creation Seventh-day Adventist church http://endrtimes.blogspot.ca/2010/04/creation-seventh-day-adventist-church.html
is teaching that the Sunday Law will never materialize. They teach that the
Sunday Law test was tied intimately to a people, namely SDA Sabbath-keepers
ONLY, and was inherently conditional. They don’t believe Ellen White’s Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 81, which says
the test will come to every soul. Here is the
statement of one of their members, Guerline Bailey:
From: Guerline A.
Bailey
Sent: Tuesday,
May 29, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject:
[AdventistHotIssues] Conditional Prophecy: no Sunday law
Now I believe you are ready for this part,
so I will tell you about the conditional prophecy (which is all in the bible)
and why there isn't and there will never be a Sunday law to test the SDA church
or any others waiting for it.
The following statement is from another
post by Guerline, that is accompanied with its full context in this document:
“The Sunday
Law, while it was to have been the herald of the events leading up to a final judgment,
is not the judgment itself; and it was tied intimately to a people, (faithful
Sabbathkeepers) therefore would be inherently conditional.”
Ron responds:
The Sabbath
will be lightly regarded by the new movement, but it is also lightly regarding
the Sabbath by the Creation SDA Church, to teach that the Sabbath will not be
the final great test of God's people all over the earth. The Creation SDA
Church removes the very Spirit of Prophecy warning sign to leave the large
cities, per. Testimonies, 464, cited further down in this post. This is spiritual
anarchy that is just as bad as the new movement! There is not the least
CONDITIONALITY to any of the following statements:
"The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition
that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and
that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as
the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were
this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that
God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our
religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the
work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A NEW ORGANIZATION
would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of
intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would
go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be
lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed
to stand in the way of the NEW MOVEMENT. The leaders would teach that virtue is
better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on
human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built
on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure.
WHO HAS AUTHORITY TO BEGIN SUCH A [NEW]
MOVEMENT? We have our Bibles. We have our experience, attested to by the
miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no
compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this
truth?" E.G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 1, 204-205.
“The
Sabbath will be the great test of loyalty,
for it is the point of truth especially controverted. When the final test shall
be brought to bear upon men, then the line of distinction will be drawn between those who serve God and those who serve Him
not." The Great Controversy, p.
605.
I
would say that includes ALL OF HUMANITY living at the time.
"By the decree enforcing the
institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation
will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch
her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall
reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the
influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle
of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make
provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may
know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end
is near. {5T 451.1}
"As the approach of the Roman armies was
a sign to the disciples of the impending destruction of Jerusalem, so may
this apostasy be a sign to us that the limit of God's forbearance is
reached, that the measure of our nation's iniquity is full, and that the angel
of mercy is about to take her flight, never to return. The people of God will
then be plunged into those scenes of affliction and distress which prophets
have described as the time of Jacob's trouble. The cries of the faithful,
persecuted ones ascend to heaven. And as the blood of Abel cried from the
ground, there are voices also crying to God from martyrs' graves, from the
sepulchers of the sea, from mountain caverns, from convent vaults: "How
long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them
that dwell on the earth?" {5T 451.2}
“It is no time now for God's people to be
fixing their affections or laying up their treasure in the world. The time is
not far distant, when, like the early disciples, we shall be forced to seek a
refuge in desolate and solitary places. As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman
armies was the signal for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption
of power on the part of our nation in the decree
enforcing the papal sabbath will be a warning to us.
It will then be time to leave the large cities, preparatory to leaving the
smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains.
And now, instead of seeking expensive dwellings here, we should be preparing to
move to a better country, even a heavenly. Instead of spending our means in
self-gratification, we should be studying to economize.” Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 464-5.
The Creation SDA Church removes the above
warning sign by teaching it will never materialize! This is a serious error
regarding an important warning sign for God’s people.
"The Lord has shown me clearly
that the image of the beast will be formed before probation closes; for it is
to be the great test for the people of God, by which their
eternal destiny will be decided...Rev.13:11-17 quoted... This
is the test that the people of God must have before they are sealed." 7
B.C. 976.
“In some cases, BEFORE the time specified
in the decree, enemies will rush upon the waiting ones to put them to
death.” E.G. White, The 1884 edition of The
Great Controversy, p. 447.
“Never did this message apply with greater
force than it applies today. More and more the world is setting at nought the
claims of God. Men have become bold in transgression. The wickedness of the
inhabitants of the world has almost filled up the measure of their iniquity.
This earth has almost reached the place where God will permit the destroyer to
work his will upon it. The substitution of the laws of men for the law of
God, the exaltation, by merely human authority, of Sunday in place of the Bible
Sabbath, is the last act in the drama. When this substitution becomes
universal, God will reveal Himself. He will arise in His majesty to shake
terribly the earth. He will come out of His place to punish the inhabitants of
the world for their iniquity, and the earth shall disclose her blood and shall
no more cover her slain.” {7T 141.1}
"The great issue so near at hand
[enforcement of Sunday laws] will weed out those whom God has not appointed and
He will have a pure, true, sanctified ministry prepared for the latter
rain."--3SM 385 (1886). {LDE 179.2}
The Sunday Law will separate the wheat from
the dross IN EVERY CHURCH AND INVOLVING EVERY PERSON ON EARTH. The following
statement is speaking about Adventists AS WELL AS THOSE WHO HAD NOT HAD THE
LIGHT WHICH HAS BEEN SHINING IN A CONCENTRATED BLAZE UPON SDA’S!
“There are precious
ones now hidden who have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have not had the
light which has been shining in a concentrated blaze upon you [SDA’S]. But it may
be under a rough and uninviting exterior the pure brightness of a genuine
Christian character will be revealed. In the day time we look toward heaven but
do not see the stars. They are there, fixed in the firmament, but the eye
cannot distinguish them. In the night we behold their genuine luster. {5T 80.1}
The time is not far
distant when the test will come to every soul. The mark of the
beast will be urged upon us. Those who have step by step yielded to worldly
demands and conformed to worldly customs will not find it a hard matter to
yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to derision,
insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. The contest is between the
commandments of God and the commandments of men. In this time the gold will be
separated from the dross in the church. True godliness will be clearly
distinguished from the appearance and tinsel of it. Many a star that we have
admired for its brilliancy will then go out in darkness. Chaff like a cloud
will be borne away on the wind, even from places where we see only floors of
rich wheat. All who assume the ornaments of the sanctuary, but are not clothed
with Christ's righteousness, will appear in the shame of their own nakedness.
{5T 81.1}
When trees without
fruit are cut down as cumberers of the ground, when multitudes of false
brethren are distinguished from the true, then the hidden ones will be revealed
to view, and with hosannas range under the banner of Christ. Those who have
been timid and self-distrustful will declare themselves openly for Christ and
His truth. The most weak and hesitating in the church will be as David--willing
to do and dare. The deeper the night for God's people, the more brilliant the
stars. Satan will sorely harass the faithful;” Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 81.
Laws to Exalt the False Sabbath—“We are to be ready and waiting for the orders of
God. Nations will be stirred to their very center. Support will be withdrawn
from those who proclaim God’s only standard of righteousness, the only sure
test of character. And all who will not bow to the decree of the national
councils, and obey the national laws to exalt the sabbath instituted by the man
of sin to the disregard of God’s holy day, will feel, not the oppressive power
of popery alone, but of the Protestant world, the image of the beast.... {3SM
385.2}
The great issue so near at hand will weed out those whom God has not
appointed and he will have a pure, true, sanctified ministry prepared for the
latter rain....” {3SM 385.3}
“A new life is proceeding from satanic agencies to work with a power we have
not hitherto realized. And shall not a new power from above take possession of
God’s people?”—Letter 55, 1886. {3SM 385.4}
“We must soon wrestle with the powers of the land, and we have every reason to
fear that falsehood will gain the mastery. We shall call upon our churches in
the name of the Lord to view this struggle in its true light. [See Testimonies
for the Church 5:711-718, “The Impending Conflict” (1889).—Compilers.] It
is a contest between the christianity
of the old and New Testaments, and the Christianity of human tradition and
corrupt fables. {3SM 385.5}
“This contest is to decide whether the pure gospel shall have the field in our
nation, or whether the popery of past ages shall receive the right hand of
fellowship from Protestantism, and this power prevail
to restrict religious liberty.... The message must go broadcast, that those who
have been imperceptibly tampering with popery, not knowing what they were
doing, may hear. They are fraternizing with popery by compromises and by
concessions which surprise the adherents of the papacy.... {3SM 386.1}
A Spurious Sabbath the Issue—A spurious sabbath is presented to be legislated
into power, compelling the observance of a sabbath which
God has not enjoined upon man. The persecutions of Protestants by Romanism, by which the religion of
Jesus Christ was almost annihilated, will be more than rivaled, when
Protestantism and popery are combined.... {3SM 387.1}
Below I respond further
and more specifically to Guerline’s statements:
Hi Guerline,
I will
intersperse my comments below yours in your post below in this color print:
----- Original Message -----
From: Guerline
A. Bailey
Sent:
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject:
[AdventistHotIssues] Conditional Prophecy: no Sunday law
Now I believe
you are ready for this part, so I will tell you about the conditional
prophecy(which is all in the bible) and why there isn't and there
will never be a Sunday law to test the SDA church
or any others waiting for it.
"Now based
upon the last statement I sent you on this subject, we saw that
first, the original version of The Great Controversy, released
in 1858, did not even contain the word “Sunday,” much less a reference to the
specific law that would constitute the Mark of the Beast.
Second, in even
the later versions of The Great Controversy which deals specifically with last
day events, a key quote reads, “the enforcement of Sundaykeeping in the United
States would be an enforcement of the worship of the beast and
his image.” [Great Controversy, p. 449, emphasis mine]
Here is an
excerpt of my reasons: please read carefully.
«Examining
the first of these two issues, we find that Ellen White later incorporated
references to the Sunday Law in response to the events going on around her. In
the late 1800s the Blair Sunday Rest bill appeared to be an imminent threat to
the religious liberty of Sabbathkeeping Christians, and it was believed by all
reasonable Adventists that this was indeed the great test to come. One of the
works from which many of Mrs. White’s writings on the Sunday Law are drawn is
entitled, “Lessons From Meeting the Sunday Law Crisis of the Late 1880’s..”
in Selected Messages Book 3.
It is vital
that Christians understand how “prophecy” works, and much more so now in these
very last days. The most commonly used example (though there are a great many)
to demonstrate this point is found in the book of Jonah. Jonah, a true prophet
of the Lord, made the sure and often-repeated prediction, “Yet forty days and
Nineveh shall be overthrown.” (Jon 3:4) The messenger gave no conditions for this
prophecy, yet as we see from the events recorded in his book the prophecy was
indeed conditional. When the hearts of the people affected by the prophecy
changed, so did the fulfillment of the events.
Now, at
Jonah’s teaching Nineveh WAS overthrown! But the overthrow was a spiritual one,
not physical. The Scripture tells us, and History records a time in the past,
that the citizens of Nineveh suddenly gave up their polytheism, and began to
worship a single god. Later, this god of theirs became the Ba’al of the
Scriptures, and this led to their final destruction in the time of Nahum, yet
we see that at the time the prophecy was given the message had served its
purpose and accomplished a spiritual revival.
The basic
principle when discussing conditional prophecy is this one: If the spiritual
condition of the people affected BY the prophecy changes, so does the fulfillment
of the prophecy itself. There are only TWO examples in Scripture for which this
was not true, and both deal with judgment. The first was the prophecy given in
Daniel of the time of the Messiah’s appearing. This was tied to the judgment of
the world (John 5:22) and so depended on no course of human actions.
The other example is the Flood in Genesis, and this is used as a pattern for
the final judgment, (Mat 24:37) so it would appear that imminent global
judgments are the only exceptions to the conditional prophecy rule. The Sunday Law,
while it was to have been the herald of the events leading up to a final
judgment, is not the judgment itself; and it was tied intimately to a people,
(faithful Sabbathkeepers) therefore would be inherently conditional.
Ron’s response:
I disagree with your above statement I have highlighted in blue print. When
Ellen White said that the Sunday Law would be the final great test to God’s
people, I believe she meant all who finally subscribe to the final Loud Cry
truth given to the world. The Sabbath test will be a test to all peoples
everywhere. I kindly agree to disagree with you.
A careful
study of Scripture will confirm this for any who wish to dig deeper; and I can
give another dramatic example. Compare the prophecies in Ezekiel 37 and 38 with the description of
the last judgment given in Revelation. Ezekiel foresaw a time when Jerusalem
would be faithful to God, and so when its enemies came up against its people (the
enemies being called Gog and Magog) then fire
would come down from Heaven to consume them. Now, it is apparent to every
believer in the New Testament that the nation of Israel never became faithful
to Yahweh to the degree that Ezekiel foresaw. Indeed, it grew worse and worse,
“Until Yahweh removed Israel out of His sight, as He had said by all His
servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to
Assyria unto this day.” (2 Kings 17:23)
Ron’s response:
I fully agree that there are many conditional prophesies in the Bible. But I
don’t find any conditionality to Ellen White’s statement that the Sabbath will be
the final great test involved with the image to the beast.
We see then
that the principle works both ways. In Jonah’s case the prophecy’s fulfillment
was changed because the hearts of the people went from bad to good. In
Ezekiel’s case, the prophecy’s fulfillment was altered because the hearts of
the people went from good to bad. In both cases, the prophecy was fulfilled
spiritually (see Revelation’s statements regarding “Gog and Magog” for
example), and NOT physically.
This is what
has happened with the Sunday Law. As in the example of Jonah, or perhaps more
applicably the example of Ezekiel, the hearts of the people changed. Adventism
began to incorporate some grievous errors after the death of Ellen White, and
some began to come in even before her passing regarding both the nature of
God:
http://www.csda-adventistchurch.to/Binary/essays/ePioneer.html
and the victory over sin. Here is an example of what the SDA Church once taught
regarding the matter of salvation:
http://www.csda-adventistchurch.to/Binary/essays/ecrevevo.html
Ron’s response:
Ellen White anticipated the many apostate changes that would come after her
death in 1 SM 204-205, but she did not alter her statements on the Sunday Law
being the final great test. In fact, in 1884, she prophesied that SDA church
leaders would apostatize to the point of stressing Sunday sacredness, to wit:
“The Lord has a controversy with His professed
people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions
will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not
only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it
from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In
churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the
people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week. (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, March 18, 1884).
Now, this
caused a problem, to be sure, but it was not an image to the beast simply
because the church had begun to fall away. It is only a church/state union that
results in an image to the beast, and THIS, Ellen White says, is the test of
God’s people. [Maranatha, page 164]
For the
second issue, that of the Sunday Law being “an” Enforcement.... Uriah Smith
confirms this in his book Daniel and The Revelation. He writes, “An
ecclesiastical organization composed of different sects in the land, in
coalition with Roman Catholicism, by the promulgation and enforcement of a
civil Sunday-Sabbath law, would fulfill what the prophecy sets forth in
reference to the image and the mark of the beast. These movements, or
their exact equivalent, are called for by the prophecy.” [D & R,
page 617] Creation Seventh Day Adventists point out that the SDA General
Conference Trademark law, which was created by a union of the Seventh Day
Adventist General Conference and the United States Government, is an exact
equivalent, having fulfilled every detail of that statement. In seeking
civil aid against their imagined “enemies,” SDAs of the Conference have
followed in the path of “different sects in the land” who in the 1800s
attempted to preserve the safety and peace of this “Christian nation” by making
a day of rest enforceable by the state. They have done this “in coalition with
Roman Catholicism,” for it is an established fact that religious corporations,
by which this law was made possible in the courts, is a child of the papacy.
The pope, in mirroring the organizational structure of pagan Rome, gave birth
to the concept of a religious corporation. And finally, what the Adventist
church has done is an enforcement of a Sabbath law as surely as if the Sunday
was being used to replace the true Sabbath. I will explain this third point in
a moment.
Ron’s response:
What I believe to be the important factor is GOD’S LAW being changed and
ENFORCED by Satan. You totally ignore this serious factor. I don’t agree with
you or the Creation SDA Adventists on this issue. I fully disagree with the SDA
church doing what it has done in taking members to court over the Trademark
issue, but Ellen White says when they do that it shows that they do not possess
the Holy Spirit and not the mark of the beast which involves a change in God’s
law and an enforcement of that change by Satan’s new world order.
For now, if
we understand the principles of conditional prophecy and what it is that makes
an “image to the beast” we can easily see that after Adventism
became corrupt, a Sunday Law would no longer be able to test who true
Christians were. Those who crucified Christ were Sabbathkeepers after the
letter; where they failed to be faithful was the spirit of the law. Let’s look
at the spirit of the Sabbath law, and how this relates to the mark of the
beast, now that the nature of the Sunday Law prophecy has changed.
Ron’s response:
Adventists are not the only ones tested by the Sunday Law. The entire world
will be so tested. Nothing could work better as a test to the entire world as
to its fidelity or not to God’s law, versus the changes in that Law by Satan
and his agents. I fully reject your teaching on this issue.
Here are the
three criteria again for what composes the “beast and his image” that will
enforce the mark:
1) It would be the made at the request of a Church that was once faithful, but
has gone apostate. [Great Controversy, p. 443-444]
2) It would be formed in conjunction with United States government, and from
THIS country, it would spread out to other countries of the world to become a
global event. [Christian Service, page 160]
3) It would constitute a great test for commandment-keepers, particularly
regarding the 4th commandment that deals with the Sabbath. [Last Day Events,
page 225]
Ron’s response:
I have already demonstrated how the church will try to stress Sunday
sacredness. The test is to the entire world at the end-time after hearing the
final Loud Cry of the three angel’s messages which, according to Revelation
14:10-12 involve the commandments of God.
1) There is
little question that the doctrines and practices of the SDA Church have become
corrupt. Even the pastors and historians (I can provide you with their names
and quotes if you like, but my intent here is more general) will say things
like, “We know there are major problems within Adventism, but we believe that
God has not abandoned us. The church will go through, just stay within the
Church and ignore the corruption.”
This is both
unsafe and unScriptural. The Bible tells faithful servants of God, “Cry aloud,
spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their
transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” (Isaiah 58:1) The question may be asked, “Can we stay within
the Church and be a force for good? Can we try to reform it from the
inside?”
Ron’s response:
Agreed! We call people out of that apostate church. My Website is clear on that
fact!
Before the
church/state union that I will describe to you in a moment, this was possible.
Before the leaders of Adventism declared, for all intents and purposes, “We
have no king but Caesar,” it is what God would have wanted for His flickering
candle. But if you read Ellen White’s comments regarding the point at
which the Jewish Nation fell, and after which people began to be called OUT so
they could point out her sins, you notice something significant: “They [the
Hebrew religious leaders] cried out for the crucifixion of Christ and, as
representatives of the Jewish nation, placed themselves under the Roman
jurisdiction, which they despised, by saying, ‘We have no king but Caesar.’ When
they said this, they unchurched themselves.” [Manuscript Releases Volume Twelve,
page 388, paragraph 1]
It is when
the Jewish Church united with Rome that the system fell and people were called
out. The same thing happened with Catholicism and Rome, with Sundaykeeping
Protestantism and the U.S. Government in the 1800s, and with nominal Adventism
today. It is no longer possible to reform the SDA Church from the INSIDE, but
now the commandment becomes applicable: “Thus shalt thou separate the Levites
[the faithful intercessors] from among the children of Israel: and the Levites
shall be mine.” (Deuteronomy 18:4) More to the point, if one can agree that the
doctrines of Adventism have indeed become corrupt, and that they have crossed a
“point of no return” when they joined with the State in 1981 as I shall shortly
describe, then an individual who truly wishes to serve God rather than men
must... “‘come out from among them, and be ye separate,’ saith the Lord, ‘and
touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.’” (2 Cor 6:17)
Ron’s response:
I teach that the church has committed unpardonable sin per ecumenical liaison
with Babylon in breach of Isaiah 8:9-12 and Jeremiah 11:9-15, and that the
bride has no place in that church (verse 15).
2) In 1981,
the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists, on behalf of its every
member, trademarked the name “Seventh Day Adventist” and several variations
thereof, and since that time have brought lawsuit after lawsuit in violation of
Scripture, Spirit of Prophecy Writings, the spirit of charity, the humility of
Christ, and plan old common sense, in order to protect their “good name,” and
their tithe base.
Yes, their
finances are part of the reason they do this, for hear what SDA legal counsel
Walter Carson said in defense of their ungodly policy: “... there is a moral –
and even monetary – value to the name of the church, as suits like this one
[against a church in Brooklyn] show. [...] A name, particularly the name of a
faith community, identifies it and its value system as distinct from all
others.” [What’s in a Name, an interview by Bill Knott, associate editor
of the Adventist Review] Notice that they admit this to be a RELIGIOUS matter,
and not merely one of legality, for “the name of a FAITH community identifies
it and its VALUE SYSTEM” in a unique way. CSDAs heartily agree with this clear
teaching from early Adventist writings.
Now some, in
trying to back-pedal and say the Trademark lawsuits do not constitute religious
persecution for those who believe it is part of their faith to call themselves
Adventists, as Ellen White said it was [The Early Years Volume 1, p.438]
will actually contradict the intention of their legal advisors with words such
as this, “The trademark litigation has nothing to do with enforcing a doctrine.
It has to do with defining the identity of the church.” [May 7th, 1997, Letter
to pastor Walter “Chick” McGill from Alan J. Reinach, Esq. Director, Public
Affairs & Religious Liberty from the Pacific Union Conference of Seventh
Day Adventists]
Marvin G.
Lowman, Executive Secretary of the Kentucky-Tennessee conference writes, in a
letter to the same individual in July 1998 that the trademark lawsuits are an
attempt of “the leaders” of the church “to protect the good name and reputation
of their church and to preserve its distinctive doctrinal platform.” It is
indeed a matter of doctrine. A pastor of the SDA Church of Cohutta, GA calls
the distribution of literature that points out these fearsome issues
“unforgivable,” and likens those who speak these words of warning to Lucifer,
saying, “[God] kicked him and his followers out of Heaven and won’t ever let
them back in.” [Letter, March 28 1998] Such is the spirit of those being
informed that they are violating the law of God for their own worldly motives.
These are not Christian men if the words and teachings of Christ define a
“Christian.”
We submit to
you that taking the name God gives to His people is clearly a matter of
religious freedom, a matter of great doctrinal importance; and to restrict
someone from practicing his/her beliefs in the manner he or she believes is the
express command of God is an attempt to control conscience and religious
observances. This is exactly the language found in the Trademark agreement –
the document gives the General Conference control over “religious observances.”
This disagreement between the leaders and lawyers of the fallen SDA Church is a
confusion of tongues, but they must do this, because if they ever admit openly
that they are truly participating in religious persecution, while waiting to BE
persecuted by the US government for a Sunday Law their hypocrisy will be laid
bare, and the faithful would quickly depart.
For over 20
years the leaders of the mainstream Adventist church HAVE, in conjunction with
the United States government which they despise, acknowledging it to be the
second Beast of Revelation, led a campaign to crush the religious freedom of
those who cannot in good conscience submit to their evil policies, yet who
MUST, because of their beliefs, continue to call themselves “Seventh Day Adventists.”
There have been jailings, confiscation of land and property, and worse... all
in the name of Christ. Indeed, faithful, commandment-keeping, SOP believing
Adventists who have found they could not remain under the leadership of evil
men, have found that they could not buy or sell anything regarding the
Adventist gospel without violating the law of the 2nd beast, the US Government!
The Trademark is indeed a trade (buy/sell) mark. To submit to this law, either
by agreement or by going along with it, is to reject the idea that Christ will
defend His people. “During the course of His trial Jesus said, ‘If my kingdom
were of this world, then would my servants fight.’ It is only when Christians
mistakenly come to believe that Christ’s kingdom is of this world that they
resort to force in defending what they take to be its interests.” [SDA Bible
Commentary, Vol.5, p. 527]
Ron’s response:
I share your indignation against the church, but this is not the mark of the beast,
but a symptom of being once again in liaison with Babylon and the world.
Reading Acts 2, reading Isaiah 9:16, we read that every least member is guilty for
what their spiritual leaders do on their behalf. It is written, “My people are
destroyed for lack of knowledge,” (Hosea 4:6) and so we say to those who remain under the
General Conference, waiting to be persecuted even while they persecute others,
“Beware the log in your own eye. Flee the wrath to come.” Many take pride and
security in the words of Ellen White’s predictions, little realizing that those
promises are for a faithful church, which they no longer are, and still less
realizing that had the Jews not relied on the words of their conditional
prophecies at the expense of the spirit of the prediction, they would not have
rejected Christ and His apostles, and they would have been saved. Do not
mistake my meaning; the hearts of Creation SDAs are heavy for the fate of our
former brethren. We would have them saved, and call no individual damned; but
the system is fallen, and will never be repaired; the only hope for those who
wish to be saved is to repent, come out, and be baptized anew into the Church
of Christ. (Acts 2:38 – 42)
Ron’s response:
Fully agree and I teach corporate responsibility accruing to every member of
the apostate SDA church! Just search the words corporate responsibility on the
intra-site find search engine on my Website.
Many Catholics will not leave Catholicism, because they are confident in the absolute unconditionality of promise given by Christ, that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against” the church. They take this to mean that no matter WHAT happened, the organization that began with Peter and the apostles would go through. The men of Israel shouted, “The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD,” when Jeremiah predicted that Jerusalem would fall. What became of them? “Trust ye not in lying words, saying, ‘The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these.’” (Jer 7:4
) Do not trust in conditional prophecies regarding the SDA
Church when the conditions outlined IN the prophecies were never met! God is
not mocked, and He will, and does, have a faithful people on the earth. Ellen
White was a true prophet, and the conditions she gave for those promises being
fulfilled were accurate. [Manuscript Releases Volume Twenty-one, page
380]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29,
2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [AdventistHotIssues] Conditional Prophecy: no Sunday law