Questions From An SDA
The following questions
were submitted by an SDA
College student who has
been studying my Website:
----- Original Message
Sent: Wednesday, March 22,
2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Its me
First and foremost, I would like to apologize for not being able to
respond sooner. Even though its spring break, I've been a bit
busy. Anyhow, I've been reading your site for the last month or so
after receiving the link you gave and have found a lot of the material intriguing.
I'm interested in what you have to say but there are some things I do not
fully understand. I have dialoged with Sessler and Nic about three
years ago for almost a year and had a couple theological disputes with Robert
Sessler. So far from what I've read your supporting quotes (from the
SOP and the bible) seem to be more in context. Nevertheless, there are
a few questions I have that come to mind.
1. Ellen White has indeed said that the church COULD become a sister to
under certain conditions. Do you believe that the church has fulfilled
those conditions? Has probation closed for the corporate church?
__________, her statement
that the church could become a sister to fallen Babylon was a long time ago. And yet
instead of cleansing the camp of licentiousness and unlawful intimacy, the
church now has a divorce rate commensurate with that of the world.
Probation has closed for the corporate church but not individuals in the
church because many don't even know of the
2. If so, when did probation close for the church, or when did it
become a sister to fallen Babylon?
God's major line in the
sand is any Association, Council, Girding or Confederacy with His
enemies. The church said in the Review in or around 1988, that it had
been a MEMBER of the Hungarian Council of Free Churches for thirty
years. The church began its ecumenical escapades in the 60's. God
says in Isaiah 8:9-13, that He will break in pieces all who Associate, take counsel
etc. That is a very serious violation because it violates the three angel's
messages, and the church cannot call folk out of Babylon, when it becomes in liaison itself.
God does not say that those who so violate will be reconciled to Him. He says
not to even pray for them, Jeremiah 11:9-15. Notice that a conspiracy with
God's enemies occurred in that account of Israel. A conspiracy is the
same as a confederacy in this case. Way back in the times of Jeremiah,
faithful folk were worshipping at home to wit:
priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they
still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with
sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel
witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their
families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from
Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at
last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this
would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the
abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the
Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.
The key word is Shiloh to find out when this happened.
3. If so, what are the main actions that caused this to happen?
Can they be remedied?
As explained in Jeremiah
11:9-15, God says not to even pray for them when they confederate with His
enemies and wrought lewdness with many. Read this in the KJV. If
it were remedial God would not have instructed Jeremiah to no longer pray for
Then God asks: What hath y beloved (bride) to do in mine house?
The bride will not be defiled with women, fallen churches,
4. Is the church as a whole responsible for these actions or do only a
few men in certain positions take responsibility?
__________, the first and
empirical evidence that the church is corporately responsible for such actions
is evinced by the following facts:
- "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers
date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated
themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his
followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it
as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
- "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's
message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from
Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the
people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class
to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the
gospel to all nations.
As the light and life of men
was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it
has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history
of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been
repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of
separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders
would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek
another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the
professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are
listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise
it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are
forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the
plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for
light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers,
that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.
- The Reformers came out of apostate Catholicism.
- In 1884, Adventists left the fallen Protestant
- "It is impossible for you to unite with
those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14, 15
quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that
if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E.G. White,
Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.
- "To divide our interests with the leaders
of error is aiding the wrong side and giving advantage to our foes. The
truth of God knows no compromise with sin, no connection with artifice,
no union with transgression." Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 81.
- "Between the worldly man and the one who
is faithfully serving God, there is a great gulf fixed. Upon the most
momentous subjects,--God and truth and eternity,--their thoughts and
sympathies and feelings are not in harmony. One class is ripening as
wheat for the garner of God, the other as tares for the fires of
destruction. How can there be unity of purpose or action between
them?" E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 6, p. 53.
- "Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it
impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interest prevent the
fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching
maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being
only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and
eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral
transformation (COL 50). To them, justification is the sum and substance
of religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists
essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which
evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of
Jesus Christ." SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.
- "The plain straight testimony must live in
the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as
it did upon ancient Israel
because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins
existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.
5. Currently, where in the antitype do we stand? (Christ
gathered the people out even before probation closed for the corporate Jewish
A plain statement by Ellen
White tells us EXACTLY when to leave:
forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting
with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with
those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear
and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the
enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as
resolutely today as them. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith
of God's people in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood."
E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 661.
The church has united with
the world in at least the following ways:
- Ecumenical liaison even if with Babylon's
Ministerial Associations, which are localized subsidiaries of the World
Council of Churches. But it goes far in excess of that. The
church is a MEMBER of the WCC in at least five countries of the
Hong Kong, The Bahamas, The Cook Islands and Sweden,
and I am sure they are still involved in Hungary. The way a
church becomes a member of Babylon's
Associations, Councils and Confederacies is through membership in one or
more National Council of Churches. The church did all this via a
conspiracy of silence, thus being in conspiracy with God's enemies, just
as in Jeremiah 11:9-15. The involvement of the church was never
voted on by the General Conference in Session to keep it quite and
that is purely a conspiracy.
- Accepting the world's Accreditation
Standards--No better way for Satan to indoctrinate the youth of the
- Adoption of the Trinity Doctrine, the central
doctrine of Rome.
- Unlawful intimacies and licentiousness as
evinced by all the corruption in the GC for decades now.
6. Exactly what events will happen in the literal fulfillment of
Ezekiel 9? Has the Lord given you an explicit vision on this?
Yes. The National
Sunday Law is parallel to the Romans being on Jewish soil so many furlongs
from the city of Jerusalem
in the fall of A.D. 66. Cestius, the Roman General, received a message
from a runner that the Roman Ruler had died. He was next in line for
leadership. So he left Jerusalem to return to Rome. Titus returned
3 1/2 years later and destroyed the Temple
and then the city proper. This was a PREFIGURE. So the beginning
of the Sunday Law will parallel Roman soldiers ascending on Jewish
soil. That was considered the Abomination of Desolation. That is
the time to leave the cities for more solitary places in the country if not
sooner! There will be a three and one-half year period after the Sunday
law until that law is attended by no buy and sell. Not long after that
there will be a death decree against all who violate Sunday and refuse to
observe Sunday sacredness. Judgments will be falling and God's people
will be blamed for those judgments.
7. Would one have to
leave a corporate SDA church even if it still teaches most, if not all
aspects of the truth? Would corporate responsibility still apply in
Why? Because of corporate responsibility. Also, because of the
hierarchical type of organization whereby all churches are answerable to the
GC and a certain amount of tithe support goes to the GC. In 1988, I
who was the GC Treasurer at that time. I asked him how much the church
gave to the National Council of Churches of Christ in the U.S.A. for
that year. He went to his ledger and came back to the phone to tell me
that the church had given over $8,000 that year. My wife was on the
other phone and is witness to this account. _________), if we give
money to Babylon, we thereby support the
erroneous teachings of Babylon.
If we remain joined to a church that is joined in any way to Babylon, we are corporately joined
ourselves. That is absolute. No question about it.
8. Would Interindependant Ministries who have no affiliation with the
church, but do not call the church Babylon
share corporate responsibility with the Corporate SDA church?
Any independent Ministry
who is not calling a spade a spade is not giving the full truth. Ellen
White said when the church would become a sister to fallen Babylon. She did not hesitate on this
issue. She called the church a harlot on four different occasions years
apart. A harlot is a harlot is a harlot of Babylon. The church was given a
warning by Ellen White. God's line in the sand is Isaiah 8:9-20 and
Jeremiah 11:9-15. No need to be shy about it if the Holy Spirit was not
via the voice of Ellen G. White.
You do not annoy me in the
least. I am only fulfilling my commission. I promised God
that I would faithfully do His will if He would bless me with the pure
truth. He did and I am, by His grace, fulfilling His Will for my
life. Feel free to ask further questions at any time. May God
richly bless you as you dig deep in the mine of His Word as for hidden
treasure, for it is only those who so dig who will be prepared to give the
Loud Cry. The 144,000 will give that cry as Generals in God's Army of
Joel 2. There will be many martyrs as seed for fruit. The 144,000
will survive to be translated without seeing death. God want's you as
His bride--as a General in His Army. He is waiting for His Bride, the
to make herself ready by the means of His Holy Spirit. All blessings,
I would like to post these questions and answers on my Website, WITHOUT
ANY NAME ATTACHED. I keep all private matter totally
confidential. Would that be okay with you?
I guess for now, those are some of the many questions I have. I really
hope I'm not annoying you with these questions as I do seek truthful and
sincere answers to these questions. I will also be happy to answer any
questions you have for me, itís only fair that way :). Feel free to
E-mail me or call me anytime if you want to dialog further.† My number is____________. Thank you
for your time.
Thank you, those are
very valid answers. I will definitely E-mail you more questions
later. I have many things I want to discuss, but I'm not able to put
things into proper perspective at the moment. As for posting the
questions and answers online, please feel free to do so on the terms you