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The following questions were submitted by an SDA College student who has been studying my Website:

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Confidential

To: <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net>

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:28 PM

Subject: Its me _______________

 

Hey Ron,

First and foremost, I would like to apologize for not being able to
respond sooner.  Even though its spring break, I've been a bit busy.  Anyhow, I've been reading your site for the last month or so after receiving the link you gave and have found a lot of the material intriguing.  I'm interested in what you have to say but there are some things I do not fully understand.  I have dialoged with Sessler and Nic about three years ago for almost a year and had a couple theological disputes with Robert Sessler.  So far from what I've read your supporting quotes (from the SOP and the bible) seem to be more in context.  Nevertheless, there are a few questions I have that come to mind. 

1.  Ellen White has indeed said that the church COULD become a sister to fallen babylon under certain conditions.  Do you believe that the church has fulfilled those conditions?  Has probation closed for the corporate church?

 

__________, her statement that the church could become a sister to fallen Babylon was a long time ago.  And yet instead of cleansing the camp of licentiousness and unlawful intimacy, the church now has a divorce rate commensurate with that of the world.  Probation has closed for the corporate church but not individuals in the church because many don't even know of the

church's abominations.

2.  If so, when did probation close for the church, or when did it
become a sister to fallen Babylon?

 

God's major line in the sand is any Association, Council, Girding or Confederacy with His enemies.  The church said in the Review in or around 1988, that it had been a MEMBER of the Hungarian Council of Free Churches for thirty years.  The church began its ecumenical escapades in the 60's.  God says in Isaiah 8:9-13, that He will break in pieces all who Associate, take counsel etc. That is a very serious violation because it violates the three angel's messages, and the church cannot call folk out of Babylon, when it becomes in liaison itself.  God does not say that those who so violate will be reconciled to Him. He says not to even pray for them, Jeremiah 11:9-15.  Notice that a conspiracy with God's enemies occurred in that account of Israel.  A conspiracy is the same as a confederacy in this case.  Way back in the times of Jeremiah, faithful folk were worshipping at home to wit:

 

 "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.

 

The key word is Shiloh to find out when this happened.

3.  If so, what are the main actions that caused this to happen?  Can they be remedied?

 

As explained in Jeremiah 11:9-15, God says not to even pray for them when they confederate with His enemies and wrought lewdness with many.  Read this in the KJV.  If it were remedial God would not have instructed Jeremiah to no longer pray for Israel.  Then God asks:  What hath y beloved (bride) to do in mine house?  The bride will not be defiled with women, fallen churches,

Revelation 14:1-4.

4.  Is the church as a whole responsible for these actions or do only a few men in certain positions take responsibility?

 

__________, the first and empirical evidence that the church is corporately responsible for such actions is evinced by the following facts:

 

  • "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
  • "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.

  • The Reformers came out of apostate Catholicism.
  • In 1884, Adventists left the fallen Protestant churches.
  • "It is impossible for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14, 15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.
  • "To divide our interests with the leaders of error is aiding the wrong side and giving advantage to our foes. The truth of God knows no compromise with sin, no connection with artifice, no union with transgression." Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 81.
  • "Between the worldly man and the one who is faithfully serving God, there is a great gulf fixed. Upon the most momentous subjects,--God and truth and eternity,--their thoughts and sympathies and feelings are not in harmony. One class is ripening as wheat for the garner of God, the other as tares for the fires of destruction. How can there be unity of purpose or action between them?" E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 6, p. 53.
  • "Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interest prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation (COL 50). To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.
  • "The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.

    5.  Currently, where in the antitype do we stand?  (Christ gathered the people out even before probation closed for the corporate Jewish church.)

A plain statement by Ellen White tells us EXACTLY when to leave:

 

 "They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as resolutely today as them. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God's people in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 661.

 

The church has united with the world in at least the following ways:

  • Ecumenical liaison even if with Babylon's Ministerial Associations, which are localized subsidiaries of the World Council of Churches.  But it goes far in excess of that.  The church is a MEMBER of the WCC in at least five countries of the world.  Belize, Hong Kong, The Bahamas, The Cook Islands and Sweden, and I am sure they are still involved in Hungary.  The way a church becomes a member of Babylon's Associations, Councils and Confederacies is through membership in one or more National Council of Churches.  The church did all this via a conspiracy of silence, thus being in conspiracy with God's enemies, just as in Jeremiah 11:9-15.  The involvement of the church was never voted on by the General Conference in Session to keep it quite and that is purely a conspiracy.
  • Accepting the world's Accreditation Standards--No better way for Satan to indoctrinate the youth of the church.
  • Adoption of the Trinity Doctrine, the central doctrine of Rome.
  • Unlawful intimacies and licentiousness as evinced by all the corruption in the GC for decades now.


6.  Exactly what events will happen in the literal fulfillment of
Ezekiel 9?  Has the Lord given you an explicit vision on this?

 

Yes.  The National Sunday Law is parallel to the Romans being on Jewish soil so many furlongs from the city of Jerusalem in the fall of A.D. 66.  Cestius, the Roman General, received a message from a runner that the Roman Ruler had died. He was next in line for leadership. So he left Jerusalem to return to Rome.  Titus returned 3 1/2 years later and destroyed the Temple and then the city proper.  This was a PREFIGURE.  So the beginning of the Sunday Law will parallel Roman soldiers ascending on Jewish soil.  That was considered the Abomination of Desolation.  That is the time to leave the cities for more solitary places in the country if not sooner!  There will be a three and one-half year period after the Sunday law until that law is attended by no buy and sell. Not long after that there will be a death decree against all who violate Sunday and refuse to observe Sunday sacredness.  Judgments will be falling and God's people will be blamed for those judgments.

 

7.  Would one have to leave a corporate SDA church even if it still teaches most, if not all aspects of the truth?  Would corporate responsibility still apply in this case?

 

___________absolutely!  Why?  Because of corporate responsibility.  Also, because of the hierarchical type of organization whereby all churches are answerable to the GC and a certain amount of tithe support goes to the GC.  In 1988, I called Butler who was the GC Treasurer at that time.  I asked him how much the church gave to the National Council of Churches of Christ in the U.S.A. for that year.  He went to his ledger and came back to the phone to tell me that the church had given over $8,000 that year.  My wife was on the other phone and is witness to this account.  _________), if we give money to Babylon, we thereby support the erroneous teachings of Babylon.  If we remain joined to a church that is joined in any way to Babylon, we are corporately joined ourselves.  That is absolute.  No question about it.

8.  Would Interindependant Ministries who have no affiliation with the church, but do not call the church Babylon share corporate responsibility with the Corporate SDA church?

 

Any independent Ministry who is not calling a spade a spade is not giving the full truth.  Ellen White said when the church would become a sister to fallen Babylon.  She did not hesitate on this issue.  She called the church a harlot on four different occasions years apart.  A harlot is a harlot is a harlot of Babylon.  The church was given a warning by Ellen White.  God's line in the sand is Isaiah 8:9-20 and Jeremiah 11:9-15.  No need to be shy about it if the Holy Spirit was not via the voice of Ellen G. White.

 

You do not annoy me in the least.  I am only fulfilling my commission.  I promised God that I would faithfully do His will if He would bless me with the pure truth.  He did and I am, by His grace, fulfilling His Will for my life.  Feel free to ask further questions at any time. May God richly bless you as you dig deep in the mine of His Word as for hidden treasure, for it is only those who so dig who will be prepared to give the Loud Cry.  The 144,000 will give that cry as Generals in God's Army of Joel 2.  There will be many martyrs as seed for fruit.  The 144,000 will survive to be translated without seeing death.  God want's you as His bride--as a General in His Army.  He is waiting for His Bride, the 144,000, Philadelphia, to make herself ready by the means of His Holy Spirit.  All blessings, Ron Beaulieu

 

P.S.  I would like to post these questions and answers on my Website, WITHOUT ANY NAME ATTACHED.  I keep all private matter totally confidential.  Would that be okay with you?

I guess for now, those are some of the many questions I have.  I really hope I'm not annoying you with these questions as I do seek truthful and sincere answers to these questions.  I will also be happy to answer any questions you have for me, itís only fair that way :).  Feel free to E-mail me or call me anytime if you want to dialog further.My number is____________.  Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Confidential

Reply from Confidential:

 

Ron,

 

Thank you, those are very valid answers.  I will definitely E-mail you more questions later.  I have many things I want to discuss, but I'm not able to put things into proper perspective at the moment.  As for posting the questions and answers online, please feel free to do so on the terms you mentioned. 

 

SignedConfidential