The Great Deception of the Shepherd's Rod Cult--Part 1

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Dear Reader,

What follows is answers I gave in refutation to Kathryn's reply to Janine on an SDA Internet Chat Group:

Janine and Kathryn,

The "purified" "guileless" church is the Philadelphians from each generation (era) of the church. They are made pillars in the temple of God, Revelation 3:12. They are of the 144,000 who enter the temple on Mt. Zion, Early Writings, 19. Only the 144,000 overcomers enter that temple. They are the same remnant that Janine refers to. She has it totally correct. So do you Kathryn, but you seem not to see the Philadelphian connection and speak of another church to succeed the seven churches of Revelation. Those seven churches are the same as mentioned in Isaiah 4:1, except that a faithful remnant is represented as coming out of all the churches--all seven visible and formal representations of those seven, because they all have declined into Laodiceanism in every generation, just as the SDA church did. Isaiah 37:31, 32 is key. Matthew 13 depicts the same kingdom church as Hebrews 12:22, 23. That kingdom church is comprised of faithful Philadelphians from every era of the church--every generation. Every generation had all stages of the seven churches of Revelation 2 and 3, (see the following statement):

"The names of the seven churches are symbolic of the church in different periods of the Christian Era. The number indicates completeness, and is symbolic of the fact that the messages [plural] extend to the end of time, while the symbols used reveal the condition of the church [collectively and generally] at different periods in the history of the world." E.G. White, The Acts of the Apostles, 585.

All the messages apply in any given generation, but the church in any given generation has been more like one of the seven churches than the others--generally and collectively speaking. However, all the messages apply in any given generation, such as ours, for example.

God bless,

Ron Beaulieu

Now, another post in answer to Kathryn from Ron Beaulieu

Kathryn,

"Read the Third Chapter of Revelation.--In the message to the church at Sardis two parties are presented--those who have a name to live, but are dead; and those who are striving to overcome. Study this message, found in the third chapter of Revelation. [Rev. 3:1, 2 quoted]. Who are meant by those that are ready to die? and what has made them thus? The explanation is given, 'I have not found thy works perfect before God.' [Vs. 3-5 quoted.]

To the church of the present day this message is sent. I call upon our church members to read this whole of the third chapter of Revelation, and to make an application of it. The message to the church of the Laodiceans applies especially to the people of God today. It is a message to professing Christians who have become so much like the world that no difference can be seen (vs. 14-18 quoted] (RH Aug. 20, 1903). SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 959.

The church that comes out of Laodicea is the bride, or Philadelphia, and her children who are represented by other churches than Philadelphia. The bride cannot be confused with the guests--The Great Controversy, pp. 426-7 and p. 665. Even though the churches are more represented today as Laodicean, there are also churches which are representative of the other phases of the church in different eras of the church, eg. Sardis, Smyrna. etc. The purified church is the bride. She is translated without seeing death. The others--the guests, are martyred for their faith. They are seed for fruit. Not all who come out of any church are the bride--the 144,000. Not all who finally come out of the SDA church to be saved will constitute the bride, the mother. Some are her children, sons and daughters, Isaiah 62. Some of them will be faithful and be saved as martyrs, and not as the 144,000.

"The people of God, symbolized by a holy woman and her children, were represented as greatly in the minority. In the last days only a remnant still existed. Of these John speaks as they 'which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." E. G. White, Signs of the Times, Nov. 1, 1899, and Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 972.

"Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Galatians 4:26."

The Mother is Zion, Isaiah 62, and she has sons and daughters. Those sons and daughters are guests at the wedding. Guests are not the bride and the bride is not the guests at any wedding. All who come out are not the bride or the Mother. Some are children, sons and daughters of the mother, the bride of Christ, the 144,000, who are the ONLY ones who enter the temple on Mt. Zion, Early Writings, p. 19. It is not correct to say that all who come out of SDA Laodiceanism are the 144,000 ONLY. That church also is constituted of Mother and children, (guests) [The Great Controversy, pp. 426-7], and some of those who come out are guests who will be seed for fruit martyrs, whereas the 144,000 will not be martyred.

God bless,

Ron Beaulieu

 

----- Original Message ----- From: mkathryn59 To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: Isaiah 4:1

Janine,
When you say that there is no other church after the 7, there is one
that comes out of Lacodecia, that becomes the purified kingdom
church. The seven churches were corrupted with truth mingled with
error or sin and idolatry. The purified one is the one spoken of by
the Savior in Matt13:31-32 "The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain
of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which
indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the
greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the
air come and lodge in the branches thereof." This is the also the
little stone of Dan 2.34,35 "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut
out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of
iron and clay, and brake them to pieces...and the stone that smote
the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."
These two sets of Scriptures are speaking of the same church kingdom
and is the church that is set up by Yahshua and it grows and fills
the whole earth.
This grain of mustard seed it the seventh grain and seventh message
that is not corrupted as the first 6 were in Ezekiel 4.
You ask " what day" is being spoken of in Isa 4:1, would be answered
in Isa 2:2,12 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the
mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall flow unto it. For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon
every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted
up; and he shall be brought low:" This obviously speaking of the
last days.
The 144,000 come out of the SDA church or Laodica into the purified
kingdom. They are the ones that gather the great multitude.
Hope this will answer the question on the "day"
Kathryn




--- In SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Beaulieu" <rsbeauli@t...>
wrote:
> Janine,
>
> Excellent answer to Walt.
>
> Ron Beaulieu
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janine Jones
> To: SDAissues
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:21 AM
> Subject: [SDAIssues] Isaiah 4:1
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am going to take this opportunity to answer both Bob and Walt
in the same post. Firstly I will address Bob's question.
>
> I wrote: It is the Bible that states none of the organized
religions that exist in the latter days will be the true church when
persecution begins (Isaiah 4:1), not me (as if I had any knowledge
of what is to come <chuckle>).
>
> Bob asked: I read Isaiah 4:1 and did not find any referance to
the statement that you just made. Could you please elaborate?

 

----- Original Message ----- From: Janine Jones To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: Isaiah 4:1
Hello Kathryn and Shabbat Shalom,
Thank you for taking the time to bring me this message. I was always of the understanding that Jesus is the stone/rock that does the smiting and breaks down all earthly Kingdoms. I am having a real hard time seeing a church do this (unless it is the Catholic powers who have already tried it in the dark ages and almost succeeded <shudder>). It is a scary thought that there will be a group of religious people who believe they are to take over the earth before Jesus' return. This is how persecution begins.
Even so I have a few question pertaining to prophecy.
1. God refers to churches as women. Why do you believe the reference made to the tree in Mathew represents an organized religion?
2. The Book of Revelation was given by God to Jesus and passed on to John through an angel to show his people what was to come. Why is there no mention of this new organized church in the Book of Revelation?
The number seven denotes completeness and Laodacea is the seventh church. There is no organized church after Laodacea. Laodacea is a lost cause. She is spewed out of the mouth of God. There are only individuals who have left and they will flee into the wilderness (probably with those who come out of Babylon) where they will be fed and protected by God's angels. Maybe they consist of the 144 000. Nobody really knows who makes up this people but we can be sure that they have no guile in their mouths and will not be anyway linked to the whore [they will be virgins). Any who believe in the trinity will not be of this group as they are still linked to the whore [they are not virgins but fornicators). Remember too please that this is speaking of the end of time and NOT the time of the end. There are still children of God in the organized religions that are tied to the whore, for Scripture is telling us that God is calling them out.
Be careful not to get the return of Christ and the days preceding it confused with the establishment of his Kingdom on earth after the thousand years. At this time the lion will lie down with the lamb and the child will sit on the adder's hole and be unharmed. This is not going to happen in this lifetime. The lion is going to rip the kid into pieces and the child will be severely bitten. I worry about these teachings because the Jewish nation confused the first advent of the Messiah with the establishment of his earthly Kingdom. It resulted in their desolation. They still await. They still believe they are the chosen. They are sincere. They are sincerely wrong.
Nice to know not everybody has done a fly by night
Blessings
Janine
----- Original Message -----
From: mkathryn59 To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: Isaiah 4:1

Janine,
When you say that there is no other church after the 7, there is one
that comes out of Lacodecia, that becomes the purified kingdom
church. The seven churches were corrupted with truth mingled with
error or sin and idolatry. The purified one is the one spoken of by
the Savior in Matt13:31-32 "The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain
of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which
indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the
greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the
air come and lodge in the branches thereof." This is the also the
little stone of Dan 2.34,35 "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut
out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of
iron and clay, and brake them to pieces...and the stone that smote
the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."
These two sets of Scriptures are speaking of the same church kingdom
and is the church that is set up by Yahshua and it grows and fills
the whole earth.
This grain of mustard seed it the seventh grain and seventh message
that is not corrupted as the first 6 were in Ezekiel 4.
You ask " what day" is being spoken of in Isa 4:1, would be answered
in Isa 2:2,12 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the
mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations
shall flow unto it. For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon
every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted
up; and he shall be brought low:" This obviously speaking of the
last days.
The 144,000 come out of the SDA church or Laodica into the purified
kingdom. They are the ones that gather the great multitude.
Hope this will answer the question on the "day"
Kathryn




--- In SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Beaulieu" <rsbeauli@t...>
wrote:
> Janine,
>
> Excellent answer to Walt.
>
> Ron Beaulieu
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janine Jones
> To: SDAissues
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:21 AM
> Subject: [SDAIssues] Isaiah 4:1
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am going to take this opportunity to answer both Bob and Walt
in the same post. Firstly I will address Bob's question.
>
> I wrote: It is the Bible that states none of the organized
religions that exist in the latter days will be the true church when
persecution begins (Isaiah 4:1), not me (as if I had any knowledge
of what is to come <chuckle>).
>
> Bob asked: I read Isaiah 4:1 and did not find any referance to
the statement that you just made. Could you please elaborate?