SDA Misinterpretation

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Ellen G. White

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One of the most heinous abominations against God Almighty, is the misinterpretations of Ellen White by the Isaiah 56:10-12 dumb-dog watchmen who cannot understand and the equally dumb-dog sheeple who follow their lead. God has given us fair warning by providing us with the example of His first chosen people, the Jews and their leaders. Yet, SDA’s are foolishly following in the exact footsteps of the Jews’

What follows is an exchange between myself, Gar and Peter on Adventist-fm forum.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:46 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Spiritual Formation taught by Voice of Prophecy

 

Gar wrote:

Ellen White says The  "loud cry"does not consist of calling God's people out of the SDA church. Since the Loud Cry is yet future this proves any 1893 statements apply today.   The Lord has sent messages of warning and entreaty, messages of reproof and rebuke, and they have not been in vain. But we have never had a message that the Lord would disorganize the church. We have never had the prophecy concerning Babylon applied to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, or been informed that the "loud cry" consisted in calling God's people to come out of her; for this is not God's plan concerning Israel.  {RH, October 3, 1893 par. 12}  

She said such message WILL COME---FUTURE TENSE--showing that the 1893 messages APPLY today!

“Such messages will come, and it will be claimed for them that they are sent of God, but the claim will be false; for they are not filled with light, but with darkness. There will be messages of accusation against the people of God, similar to the work done by Satan in accusing God’s people, and these messages will be sounding at the very time when God is saying to His people, ‘Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people; but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and His glory shall be seen upon thee.’”— {RH, August 29, 1893 par. 5}  “Believe it not,” said Jesus, foretelling specifically that men in the last days would teach The SDA Church has become Babylon and to be saved we must come out. “The claim will be false,” declares the Spirit of Jesus through His servant, in foretelling “messages of accusation” against God’s people, in an attempt to revive the teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon.

Gar


Ron's response: Gar, if you or any other Adventist that is saved will have to know this true knowledge.

 

God's Word says that His people perish for a lack of knowledge. His people are neophytes in the word because they have not searched it as for hidden treasure, but take the surface meanings of everything. They don't know that Zion is the bride of Christ and that she is different from the 10 virgins. She, as the bride, awakens the ten virgins, Christ's Object Lessons, pp. 405-406. All ten slumbered and slept, Matthew 25:10-5. All ten are in the fallen churches, including the SDA church. At the Loud Cry, she calls all the wise virgins out of all the formally organized churches, because they all are apostate, eating their own bread (doctrines and commandments of men--Isaiah 4:1-4) and wearing their own apparel of self-righteousness. Most Adventists will perish because they don't understand the following Bible players and their role.

 

Ellen White's quote below is full of very qualifying phrases, like THE PEOPLE OF GOD, and she is referring directly to the bride of Christ who has sons and daughters, Isaiah 62. In Isaiah 62, Zion is the bride that is married, verse 5. She has sons and daughters, verses

 

Prior to Ellen White's statement of October 3, 1893, there indeed HAD NEVER BEEN a message informing the church that Babylon aplied (past tense) to the SDA church and the church had not been informed that the Loud Cry consisted in calling God's people to come out of her. That was indeed NOT GOD'S PLAN concerning Israel, NOR WAS IT GOD'S PLAN FOR ANCIENT ISRAEL.

 

Indeed there will always be such messages of accusation AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF GOD--the true BRIDE of Christ, and those messages will be sounding AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF GOD, to the very end of time. They will still be sounding when God is saying to HIS PEOPLE, "arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee." Isaiah 60. Isaiah 60 and chapter 62 speak of Zion's sons and daughters.

 

Isaiah 60 and 62 are to understood in tandem. Why? Because they both speak of an entity that has son's and daughters. It is clearly the bride of Christ, the 144,000 who give the final Loud Cry in an attempt to awaken the 10 virgins in all churches, COL, 405-406 and Isaiah 62:11 is a paraphrase of the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25:1-5.

 

So Ellen White's statement that there will be no Loud Cry message to come out of the bride, those to whom God has said "arise and shine, for thy light has come," is so very true. Rather it is the bride to whom those words are spoken who gives the Loud Cry call out of all fallen churches and to the 10 virgins within them. But there will be false prophets like Stanton and Caldwell who call folk out of Zion, the bride churches of the True Reformers.

 

At the time of Ellen White's 1893 statements to Stanton and Caldwell, the church was still the bridal candidate. Why? Because she had not fallen. But since she never repented of playing the harlot and married into Satan's brothel via ecumenical liaison with Babylon, God cannot marry a divorced woman and like apostate Israel, He has given the professing SDA denomination a bill of divorce and if He didn't do exactly that, he would have to re-marry apostate Israel to whom He gave a bill of divorce. God cannot marry an adulterous woman for that is against His Word:

 

Jer. 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

 

Divorce and Remarriage Deut. 24:4. Deuteronomy 24

 

1 If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2 and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, 3 and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, 4 then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD.

 

"When Christ saw in the Jewish people a nation divorced from God, He saw also a professed Christian church united to the world and the papacy... Will He be obliged to say to those who have had great light and great knowledge, as He said to the Jews, 'O that thou hadst known, even thou in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace. But now they are hid from thine eyes.'" The Kress Collection, p.153, July 10, 1900.

Isaiah 60

 1Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

 2For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

 3And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

 4Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

 5Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

 6The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.

 7All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

 8Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

 9Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.

 10And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

 11Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

 12For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

 13The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

 14The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

 15Whereas thou has been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.

 16Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

 17For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

 18Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

 19The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

 20Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

 21Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

 22A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time.

Isaiah 62

 1For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.

 2And the Gentiles shall see thy [Zion's--the bride] righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

 3Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

 4Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

 5For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. [Again, Ellen White and God's Wor distinguish between the Bride and the people of the church militant. The bride awakens all ten of the sleeping virgins, with a go ye out to meet Him Midnight Cry message

 6I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,

The watchmen on the walls of Zion, the bride church, are the True Reformers. God calls them and they awken the ten virgins.

 

"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151.

 

So God awakens the bride and she awakens the ten virgins, COL, 405-406.

 7And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

 8The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:

 9But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

 10Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

 11Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

 12And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

Important Conclusions:

·         Ellen White's statement that the Loud Cry will not be to come out of the bride of Christ, those who are Zion, to whom God says: "arise and shine, for thy time has come--the nations shall see thy righteousness," mean EXACTLY THAT. There will be no call out of the righteous bride of Jesus Christ.

·         It is the bride who gives the Loud Cry and awakens ALL TEN virgins calling them with the awakening cry: Behold the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet Him. Matt. 25:1-5.

·         The true identity of ZION, as the bride, Isaiah 62:1-5, IS SO IMPORTANT.

·         However, as Ellen White says, there will always be false workman calling folk out from the bride of Christ and right when the words of God: "Arise and shine..." are being given by God to the bride, who awakens her, there will be voices calling folk out from the bride, the true reformers, the truth church that keeps the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus and the Testimonies.

·         Most Adventists will perish for lack of this critical knowledge of the true facts.

·         Men will actually call true Zion, the bride of Christ, Babylon and of the devil just as they so branded Jesus' gathered out church and His followers. That is now happening to true reformers, the true and faithful church.

Ron

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? -

 

 

IF you want to leave go ahead, no one is stopping you. I will do what Jesus and Ellen White says.

Jesus is coming in to give the individual members of the church the richest blessings, if they will open the door to Him. He does not once call them Babylon, nor ask them to come out. But He says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten" (with messages of reproof and warning) (Revelation 3:19). These reproofs I am not ignorant of. I have given warnings because the Spirit of the Lord has constrained me to do so, and have uttered reproofs because the Lord has given me words of reproof. I have not shunned to declare the whole counsel of God, which has been given me for the church.  {2SM 67.1}
 
     I will say in the fear and love of God, I know the Lord has thoughts of love and mercy to restore and heal them of all their backslidings. He has a work for His church to do. They are not to be pronounced Babylon, but to be as the salt of the earth, the light of the world. They are to be the living messengers to proclaim a living message in these last days.  {2SM 67.2}

Gar

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? -

 

Again all, Ellen White defined the only true church. I tis those who love God and KEEP His commandments. The professing SDA church does not KEEP God's commandments. They have been instructing Russian parents to send their children to school on Sabbath for decades now.

 

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhbiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.

 

In 1893, Ellen White said that the church was keeping God's commandments and heeding the Laodicean message. Then she rightly asked: Where else could we go to find a purer church, to which I say Amen!

 

Ron

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? -

 

Again, Ellen White defined the church we should never denounce:

 

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhbiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.

 

And within the quote Gar gave below, there are very qualifying phrases some choose to ignore to their own damnation. I will highlight those phrases in red. We are to sigh and cry for all the abominations of the imposter SDA new movement that is not a church but is rather the Synagogue of Satan. Signing and crying for all the abominations is not denouncing the church. It is denouncing what should have been the church.


"Beware of those who arise with a great burden to denounce
the church. The chosen ones who are standing and breasting the storm of opposition from the world, and are uplifting the downtrodden commandments of God to exalt them as holy and honorable, are indeed the light of the world. How dare mortal man pass his judgment upon them, and call the church a harlot, Babylon, a den of thieves, a cage of every unclean and hateful bird, the habitation of devils, making the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication, confederating with the kings and great men of the earth, waxing rich through the abundance of her delicacies, and proclaiming that her sins have reached unto heaven and God hath remembered her iniquities? Is this the message we have to bear to Seventh-day Adventists? I tell you, no! God has given no man any such message." {TDG 172.2} 

·         The professing new movement SDA Synagogue of Satan is not breasting the storm of opposition from the world. It has joined with the world.

·         The professing new movement SDA Synagogue of Satan is not uplifting the downtrodden commandments of God to exalt them as holy and honorable when they have instructed Russian parents to break those holy commandments to send their children to school on Sabbath.

·         Many of the faithful Waldensian's--and even their children, gave their lives in defense of Sabbath keeping. So what entitles professing SDA's to do anything else today?

·         Is a new movement that does everything specified in 1 Selected Messages, 405-406 the chosen of God?

Ron

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:56 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? -

 

 

Beware of those who arise with a great burden to denounce the church. The chosen ones who are standing and breasting the storm of opposition from the world, and are uplifting the downtrodden commandments of God to exalt them as holy and honorable, are indeed the light of the world. How dare mortal man pass his judgment upon them, and call the church a harlot, Babylon, a den of thieves, a cage of every unclean and hateful bird, the habitation of devils, making the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication, confederating with the kings and great men of the earth, waxing rich through the abundance of her delicacies, and proclaiming that her sins have reached unto heaven and God hath remembered her iniquities? Is this the message we have to bear to Seventh-day Adventists? I tell you, no! God has given no man any such message. {TDG 172.2} 

Gar


 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Spiritual Formation taught by Voice of Prophecy

 

Ellen White defined THE CHURCH. These are the individuals members of THE CHURCH that God will give the richest blessings to and of course, He will NOT ONCE call them Babylon nor ask them to come out of the following type of true church:

 

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhbiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.

 

Ron

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Cc: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Spiritual Formation taught by Voice of Prophecy

 

 

  Jesus is coming in to give the individual members of the church the richest blessings, if they will open the door to Him. He does not once call them Babylon, nor ask them to come out.  {2SM 67.1} 

Jesus says they are not once to be called Babylon nor be called out and if He calls them Babylon today He would do something He said He would not even do one time!


Gar

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar

To: Adventist-fm

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:39 PM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Seventh-Day Adventist Church has become Babylon!?

 

 

The Seventh-Day Adventist Church has fallen into apostasy, but is it Babylon? Should we come out of her, or stick it out? How can we handle this like Jesus?

 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Ron Beaulieu rsbeauli@telusplanet.net

> wrote:

Gar,

 

I am not going to enter into any more debate with you on this issue, but would kindly request that since you mention handling apostasy like Jesus did, please interpret the following statement with your evidence so that NOTHING CONTRADICTS. Also please relate this quote to Ellen White's that said that Jesus did not once call folk out in 1893. Remember time, place and circumstance and remember that Jesus wrote Isaiah 37:31, 32 for our admonition as well as the Jews. That is all I have to say. The blood of those you influence contrary to Scripture and the following example stated by Ellen White will be on your back in the judgment. Jesus did not call the Jews Babylon, but He called them the Synagogue of Satan--NOT MUCH CONSOLATION in not being called Babylon if the church is part of Satan's Synagogue is there?

 

“Christ was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry.  {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}

Ron 

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net wrote:

The quote Gar gives was written to Caldwell and Stanton in 1893, when they then erroneously called the church Babylon.

 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: petr_w33

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:47 PM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Re: Spiritual Formation taught by Voice of Prophecy

 

I am not familiar with that text. What year was that written? Does it supercede Sister White's vision whereby Jesus called the SDA a Harlot in 1903? (8T,250)

Didn't Ellen White call the SDA a Harlot three different times?

"Babylon is represented as a woman, a figure which is used in the Scriptures as the symbol of a church. A virtuous woman represents a pure church, a vile woman an apostate church. Babylon is said to be a harlot."

{4SP 233.2}

Does Spiritual Formation indicate the SDA playing the Harlot with the Catholic Church wherein Jesuit Ignatious Loyola developed and practiced  Spiritual Formation?

Does 2SM 67.1 then supercede, over-write or cancel the divine writing in the Holy Scriptures commanding us:

" ...shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid. "

1st Corinthians 6:15

God Bless. [Peter] 


--- In Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com, Gar@... wrote:

 Do you agree with Ellen White?
 
 Jesus is coming in to give the individual members of the church the richest blessings, if they will open the door to Him. He does not once call them Babylon, nor ask them to come out. {2SM 67.1}
 
 Gar
 
 
 
 On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:12 PM, petr_w33 petr_w33@... wrote:
 
 
 
  Thank-you Orion 7 for that information. Do you agree with the following  texts I found?
 
  Who can truthfully say: "Our gold is tried in the fire; our garments are unspotted by the world"? I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them off, He laid bare the defilement beneath. Then He said to me: "Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character? *'How is the faithful city become an harlot!'* My Father's house is made a house of
  merchandise, a place whence the divine presence and glory have departed! For this cause there is weakness, and strength is lacking." {8T 250.2}
 
  Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? *shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid. *1st Corinthians 6:15.
 
  Is this a call-out message for Seventh Day Adventists from these apostasies?
 
  God Bless. [Peter}

  Ron responds: As the church has now gone beyond the harlot stage to rejoin Babylon’s associations, counsels/councils, girdings and confederacies, it is part of Satan’s Synagogue. The above statement in and of itself did not constitute a call out of the church but rather a call repentance and reformation.
 
 
  --- In Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com, Gar Gar.sda@ wrote:
 
   The Voice of Prophecy has announced that Elizabeth Talbot, the senior  pastor at Grace Place, a Seventh-day Adventist church in Alhambra CA, (Near Los Angeles), will be teaching Spiritual Formation for the Voice of Prophecy on Hope Channel soon. They are apparently calling it "Jesus 101". Mike Tucker and Elizabeth Talbot have described the program in a VOP newsletter.
 
   http://www.vop.com/article.php?id=871
 
   For those who are not familiar with the history of Spiritual Formation, it is a program to develop "spirituality." Spiritual Formation is considered by many Bible believing Christians both Adventists and those in other denominations to include techniques such as meditation, contemplative prayer, and other methods that are found in new age and eastern mysticism that are a subtle form of spiritualism. Spiritual Formation was originated by Ignatious Loyola the founder of the Jesuits as a method of preparing Jesuit novices for their mission and work.
 
  The modern versions of it apparently came directly from the Roman Catholic Church in training centers, one popular one in NYC run by Roman Catholic nuns, where pastors from many denominations (including ours) have gone to be trained in teaching it. It is couched in Christian terminology and claims as its goal to bring people closer to Christ. There are apparently a number
of books including books by ministers of various denominations as well as those by eastern mystics that are used.
 
  Pastor Derek Morris, newly appointed editor of Ministry Magazine, that is sent out to all Adventist pastors world wide, was at one time a strong promoter and teacher of Spiritual Formation. I contacted him recently about this. He told me that his attitude has drastically changed, and that he sees in it a dangerous mixture of truth and error. A friend of mine spent an hour on the phone with pastor Morris and is convinced that he has truly rejected Spiritual Formation, and repents of having been involved in it.
 
  My question is, are we prepared to counter this when attempts are made to bring this into our churches? Do we have the knowledge and courage to be able to speak against it if our pastor or the conference wants to bring it in as is happening in some places?
 
  Gar

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? –

 

Why would Ezekiel 9 BEGIN at His Sanctuary, if it was the faithful from which the bad are shaken. That is a lie because God's Word says that is where the dross is gathered for burning, Ezekiel 22:17-31 and that is exactly how Ezekiel 9 was literally fulfilled the last time it was fulfilled, so to be LITERAL, it will have to be fulfilled according to Ezekiel 22:17-31 in the next LITERAL FULFILLMENT.

 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? -

It would be insane to claim that the real SDA church is Babylon and I would never dare to do that! But I would dare to prove that an imposter new movement church claiming to be the SDA church is Babylon and the Synagogue of Satan.

 

Ellen White said that the true SDA church would heed the commandments and the Testimonies. She said the church was heeding such in 1893 when Stanton and Caldwell were in error in claiming that the church was THEN Babylon and calling folk out of it when Ellen White said the church was keeping the commandments and heeding the Laodicean Message at that time.

 

The violation that is being made in the post below is claiming that a new movement that is breaking the commandments and is rejoined with Babylon is the SDA church. Gar seems to believe that no matter what the professing church does, it is still the SDA church. That is not according to Ellen White's and God's definition of the true church.

 

Ellen White said that if the church remained Laodicean it would not be regarded with any more favor by God than is Babylon. She said that, not me. That is her testimony, NOT MINE. The following statements are not setting her testimonies in a framework of error. They are her testimony. There are some duplications.

 

"The world must not be introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 265.

 

The church was married to the world in the early 1930's when a few leaders adopted the world's Accreditation Standards for our educational facilities. Satan could have no finer track to the youth of the church than through the world's education curriculum.

 

"If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.

 

Did the church become Laodicean? Has the church remained Laodicean? No! It has become both COLD APOSTATE AND LUKEWARM. The liberals are cold apostate, and the conservatives are lukewarm.

 

If Laodicea is not regarded with any more favor by God than the fallen churches, and the call of Laodicea is to all churches, then there is no difference between Laodicea and the fallen churches as far as being in a fallen state is concerned. Different churches believe different aspects of Babylonian teachings, but Ellen White equates them all as far as falling from the favor of God is concerned, and as far as constituting the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 

"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.

 

An Adventist Review article says that the church has the same divorce rate per capita percentage ration as the world. Does that sound like the unlawful intimacies have been curbed and the camp has been cleansed?

 

"In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. . . .I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them of, He laid bare he defilement beneath. Then He said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character? How is the faithful city become an harlot?" E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 8, pp. 247-250.

 

Can anyone tell me when the church reformed and revived from it's harlot stance?

 

"The church cannot measure herself by the world nor by the opinion of men nor by what she ONCE was. Her faith and her position in the world as they NOW ARE must be COMPARED (JUDGED) with what they would have been if her course had been continually onward and upward. The church will be weighed in the balances of the sanctuary. If her moral character and spiritual state do not correspond with the benefits and blessings God has conferred upon her, SHE WILL BE FOUND WANTING." Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 83, 84.

 

"When this church is weighed in the balances of the sanctuary, it is found wanting, having left its first love....What is the fatal deficiency?--'Thou has left thy first love...'

The light that gladdened your heart when you first understood the message for this time is an essential element in your experience and labors, and this has been lost out of your heart and life. Christ beholds your lack of zeal, and declares that you have FALLEN, and are in a perilous position." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, pp. 462-3.

"If the church of God becomes lukewarm, it does not stand in favour with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird." Letter 35, 1898, p. 6-7

"We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul spirit, and cage of every unclean and hateful bird." Letter 51, 9/6/1886.

 

"The world must not be introduced into the church. And married to the church, forming a bond of unity Through this means the church will become indeed CORRUPT AND AS STATED IN Revelation, a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Testimonies to Ministers p.265

"In amazement they hear the testimony that Babylon is the church, fallen because of her errors and sins, because of her rejection of the truth sent to her from Heaven." -Spirit of Prophecy, vol 4, p 424 or Great Controversy, p 606-607

The GC-SDA has most certainly united with the world. Through this means the agents of the Pope have corrupted the church and it is now not only a Harlot but a Sister to fallen Babylon.

Many will be in amazement when they hear the testimony that Babylon is the GC-SDA church. How many will find written next to their names in Heaven, ‘found wanting’ due to their membership of a church that has united with Rome and will push Sunday onto the laity?

The GC-SDA Church is FILLED WITH APOSTASY!

"Concerning Babylon, the symbol of the apostate church, He says to His ministers of judgment, "Her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double." Rev. 18:5, 6.  -Christ's Object Lessons 178.4

And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], SHALL BE BROUGHT DOWN TO HELL…”  for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.  But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.’ At that time Jesus answered and said, “ I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things for the wise and prudent [in their own estimation], and hast revealed them unto babes’ [Matthew 11:21-25]. {RH, August 1, 1893 par. 5}

A vile homo-sexual from Sodom will fare better in the judgment than the GC-SDA! Why?

The Lord has a controversy with his professed people … men in responsible positions ( The General Conference ) will … ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves… In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping SUNDAY! {RH March 18, 1884 par.8}

"That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be--that is past".--Last Day Events 50.4

“As for the voice of the General Conference, there is no voice from God through that body that is reliable.” -Manuscript 57, October  12, 1895 & Manuscript Releases, vol 17, p 178

Ron 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:06 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? -

 

To claim that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, is to make the same claim as does Satan, who is an accuser of the brethren, who accuses them before God night and day. By this misusing of the Testimonies, souls are placed in perplexity, because they cannot understand the relation of the Testimonies to such a position as is taken by those in error; for God intended that the Testimonies should always have a setting in the framework of truth.  {1NL 54.4}

Mrs. White plainly and emphatically protested against the use of her Testimonies in any attempt to identify the Seventh-day Adventist church with Babylon. She declared that only by setting her Testimonies in a framework of error, could anyone place such a construction upon them.


Gar


 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Re: Walter Veith: Is the SDA Church Babylon? -

Gar,

 

·         Persecution weeds out all the bad from the True Reformer church because it is they who give the Loud Cry message. They are awakend by God and then they awaken the Ten Virgins with the Loud Cry message, Isaiah 63:1-12 and Christ's Object Lessons, 405-406.

·         Jesus and His followers were a type of the final church that gives the Loud Cry call out of all fallen churches, including the new movement SDA Synagogue of Satan.

·         Superficial believers will not understand the full truth because they will not search as for hidden treasure and interpret all so that nothing contradicts.

·         The new movement church is teaching false doctrines.

·         You are responsible for the false doctrines the church is teaching for if you pay tithe, it goes to those teachers of false doctrines. If you don't pay tithe, you are a robber of God.

·         There will be defections even from the New Movement SDA church, because some will see that they might as well be a member of a longer standing Babylon church than join one that pretends not to be any part of Babylon while it is in gross apostasy.

·         Unsanctified persons will be weeded out of the true reformer church by the true reformers.

·         If the bad left the church, Ezekiel 9 would not be literally fulfilled BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY.

·         You are misconstruing Ellen White's and God's Word on who leaves who--who is shaken from whom and who does the shaking.

·         Ezekiel 22:17-31 says Jerusalem is the land that is not cleansed and not rained upon (with the Holy Spirit). Those verses were an ensample (prefigure) for us. That is what happend in the last LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, so that is what must occur in the final fulfillment of Ezekiel IF THAT FULFILLMENT IS LITERAL AS GOD AND ELLEN WHITE SAY IT IS.

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Seventh-Day Adventist Church has become Babylon!?

 

 

Ron,

I don't want to enter a debate with you either.
To answer you question--I am a member of the Church and I do not join in the apostasy. In my local church there is no apostasy.
Gar

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Seventh-Day Adventist Church has become Babylon!?

 

Gar and Petr [Peter],

 

Ellen White said that the church was a theocracy. In a theocracy, all the camp is responsible for sin in the camp. On the annual Day of Atonement, if one sin was in the camp, the priest would have died in the Sanctuary, and no one would have been saved from his/her sin.

 

"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 269.

 

Corporate responsibility -- "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity but thou hast delivered thy soul." Ezekiel 3:18-19.

 

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” Matthew 23:31-39.

 

Gar's church is totally responsible for every iota of apostasy because its tithe goes to the General Conference to support the ring leaders in apostasy.

 

However, God will forgive those who have not known that the SDA church is in apostasy and is in violation of the second angel’s message and the Midnight Cry via ecumenical liaison with Babylon.

 

Ron

 

Exactly like the jews Just like the Jews

 

Like Jews – Just like the Jews -- There are over 100 statements to the affect that SDAs are repeating the history of ancient Israel. Here are just a few of them:

 

“The same disobedience and failure which were seen in the Jewish church have characterized in a greater degree the people hwo have had this great light from heaven in the last messages of warning.” Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 456.

 

History repeats itself. “The thing that has been, it is that which shall be: and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” (Ecc. 1:9). In other words, “The important movements of the present have their parallel in those of the past.” (G.C. 343).

That the Advent Movement is an important movement of the present no one can deny and it has its parallel in the history of Ancient Israel: “The remnant church is called to go through an experience similar to that of the Jews.” (1 SM, 387). Not one of us can afford to ignore the following warning:

“The trials of the children of Israel, and their attitude just before the first coming of Christ, have been presented before me, again and again, to ILLUSTRATE the position of the people of God in their experience before the second coming of Christ—how the enemy sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the Jews, and today her is seeking to blind the minds of God’s servants, that they may not be able to discern the Precious Truth.” (1 SM, 406; 2 Cor 4:4). The “precious truth” mentioned here is the light sent to the Seventh-day Adventists in 1888.

"I have been shown that the spirit of the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as did ancient Israel. There is the same falling away from your holy calling as God's peculiar people. You are having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Your concord with unbelievers have provoked he Lord's displeasure. You know not the things that belong to your peace, and they are fast being hid from your eyes. [The very words applied to fallen Israel on page 17 of The Great Controversy] Your neglect to follow the light will place you in a more unfavorable position than the Jews upon whom Christ pronounced a woe." Testimonies, Vol. 5, pp. 75-76.

 

"Like ancient Israel, the church has dishonored her God by departing from the light, neglecting her duties, and abusing her high and exalted privilege of being peculiar and holy in character. Her members have violated their covenant to live for God and him only. They have joined with the selfish and world-loving. Pride, the love of pleasure, and sin have been cherished, and CHRIST HAS DEPARTED. His Spirit has been quenched in the church. Satan works side by side with professed Christians yet they are so destitute of spiritual discernment that they do not detect him." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 2, pp. 441-442.

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"Among the professed followers of Christ, there is the same pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, and Worse than Babylon OPPRESSION, that existed in the Jewish nation." E.G. White, Sketches from the Life of Paul, 251-252.

 

 

Worse than Babylon -- "God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 440-442.

 

Ellen White says in over one-hundred statements that Adventists are moving in the same path of disobedience as did God’s first chosen people, the Jews. Here are a few examples:

 

“The same disobedience and failure which were seen in the Jewish church have characterized in a greater degree the people who have had this great light from heaven in the last messages of warning.” Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 456.

History repeats itself. “The thing that has been, it is that which shall be: and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” (Ecc. 1:9). In other words, “The important movements of the present have their parallel in those of the past.” (G.C. 343).

That the Advent Movement is an important movement of the present no one can deny and it has its parallel in the history of Ancient Israel: “The remnant church is called to go through an experience similar to that of the Jews.” (1 SM, 387). Not one of us can afford to ignore the following warning:

“The trials of the children of Israel, and their attitude just before the first coming of Christ, have been presented before me, again and again, to ILLUSTRATE the position of the people of God in their experience before the second coming of Christ—how the enemy sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the Jews, and today her is seeking to blind the minds of God’s servants, that they may not be able to discern the Precious Truth.” (1 SM, 406; 2 Cor 4:4). The “precious truth” mentioned here is the light sent to the Seventh-day Adventists in 1888.

"I have been shown that the spirit of the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as did ancient Israel. There is the same falling away from your holy calling as God's peculiar people. You are having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Your concord with unbelievers have provoked he Lord's displeasure. You know not the things that belong to your peace, and they are fast being hid from your eyes. [The very words applied to fallen Israel on page 17 of The Great Controversy] Your neglect to follow the light will place you in a more unfavorable position than the Jews upon whom Christ pronounced a woe." Testimonies, Vol. 5, pp. 75-76.

 

"Like ancient Israel, the church has dishonored her God by departing from the light, neglecting her duties, and abusing her high and exalted privilege of being peculiar and holy in character. Her members have violated their covenant to live for God and him only. They have joined with the selfish and world-loving. Pride, the love of pleasure, and sin have been cherished, and CHRIST HAS DEPARTED. His Spirit has been quenched in the church. Satan works side by side with professed Christians yet they are so destitute of spiritual discernment that they do not detect him." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 2, pp. 441-442.

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"Among the professed followers of Christ, there is the same pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, and OPPRESSION, that existed in the Jewish nation." E.G. White, Sketches from the Life of Paul, 251-252.

 

Worse than Babylon -- "God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 440-442.

 

“Then I was pointed back to the years 1843 and 1844. There was a spirit of consecration then that there is not now. What has come over the professed peculiar people of God? I saw the conformity to the world, the unwillingness to suffer for the truth's sake. I saw a great lack of submission to the will of God…

I saw that many who profess to believe the truth for these last days think it strange that the children of Israel murmured as they journeyed; that after the wonderful dealings of God with them, they should be so ungrateful as to forget what He had done for them. Said the angel: "Ye have done worse than they." Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, pp. 128, 129.

 

“I was shown the conformity of some professed Sabbathkeepers to the world. Oh, I saw that it is a disgrace to their profession, a disgrace to the cause of God. They give the lie to their profession. They think they are not like the world, but they are so near like them in dress, in conversation, and actions, that there is no distinction…” “As I saw the dreadful fact that God's people were conformed to the world, with no distinction, except in name, between many of the professed disciples of the meek and lowly Jesus and unbelievers, my soul felt deep anguish. I saw that Jesus was wounded and put to an open shame. Said the angel, as with sorrow he saw the professed people of God loving the world, partaking of its spirit, and following its fashions: "Cut loose! Cut loose! lest He appoint you your portion with hypocrites and unbelievers outside the city. Your profession will only cause you greater anguish, and your punishment will be greater because ye knew His will, but did it not." Testimonies for the Church, vol 1, p 131, 133.

 

Am I remiss in observing (reasoning) that worse than heathen, graven-image worshippers, means worse than Babylon? Especially after knowing the truth and a knowledge of a better way! If I am how and why? By the above statement it is flattery, presumption, and patronization error to refer to the apostate SDA church as Babylon! No, let it not be said by anyone that Ron Beaulieu has said that the church is Babylon! I concur with Ellen White that God's professed people are worse than Babylonian heathen graven image idol worshippers! Worse than Catholics! Worse than the great Whore! Why? Because they had the light of truth and have willfully united with the great whore in business partnership! Ellen White said we are never to unite with unbelievers in business partnership, let alone the great Whore of Babylon! However, I concur with Ellen White that the church could and indeed has become the cage of every unclean and hateful bird, language that is distinctly applied to Babylon in Revelation 18, but Ellen White said it and not I. Credit her and not me. I am agreeing with her.

 

Counterpart Statement – Full Article

 

November 7, 1882 Christian Character.

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By Mrs. E. G. White.

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     The word of God not only sets forth the great principles of truth and duty which should govern our lives, but it presents also, for our encouragement, the history of many who have exemplified these principles. Men "subject to like passions as we are," have fought with temptation, and conquered in the strength of an Almighty Helper. Under difficulties greater than we are called to meet, men have been true to duty and to God. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 1}

 

     Except the one perfect Pattern, there is not described in the sacred pages a single character more worthy of emulation than that of the prophet Daniel. Exposed in youth to all the allurements of a royal court, he became a man of unbending integrity and fervent devotion to God. He was subjected to the fierce temptations of Satan, yet his character was not vacillating, nor his course changeable. He was firm where many would be yielding; he was true where they would be false; he was strong where they would be weak. Daniel was a lofty cedar of Lebanon. The angel of the Lord addressed this faithful prophet, "O man greatly beloved, thy prayer is heard." Would that the faith, integrity, and devotion of the prophet Daniel might live in the hearts of God's people of today. Never were these noble qualities more needed in the world than now. Never was there greater need of men who will stand firmly and fearlessly for God and the right. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 2}

 

     In the records of those who have done and suffered for the name of Jesus, there is no name that shines with a brighter or purer luster than the name of Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles. The love of Jesus, glowing in his heart, made him self-forgetful, self-denying. He had seen the risen Christ, and the Saviour's image was impressed upon his soul, and shone forth in his life. With faith, courage, and fortitude, that would not be daunted by danger or stayed by obstacles, he pressed his way from land to land to spread the knowledge of the cross. When summoned to stand before the judgment-seat of Nero, and forsaken by his brethren, he was at first thought almost dismayed. Then he gathered courage, as he looked upward to the Source of strength. Though human help forsook him, he declares, "The Lord stood by me, and strengthened me." He placed his hand in the hand of Jesus, and fearlessly went forward to a martyr's death. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 3}

 

     Such noble characters have been; such noble characters will be. None can hide them; none need misinterpret them. They are living epistles, known and read of all men, By the beauty of true goodness shining forth in the life of these chosen men, others were charmed, and were filled with a desire to imitate them. All who seek to reach the Bible standard will stimulate others also to press forward to higher attainments. One whom God is teaching will animate others by his ardent, active efforts for the honor of Christ, and his undying love for souls. In another, a Christ-like meekness and gentleness of spirit will be most apparent. Another will influence many by his fervent charity, his brotherly kindness and Christian courtesy. Still another will manifest such humility and brokenness of heart as will lead the proud and stubborn to self-abasement. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 4}

 

     Are the professed followers of Christ thus exemplifying the principles of their faith? Where are the deep, living, holy experiences which men of God were wont to recount? Has the standard of Christianity been lowered to suit the present backslidden condition of God's professed people? No; that standard remains just where God placed it. Holy men of ages past were required to give up all for Christ, to cherish his spirit, and to imitate his example. Nothing less than this will he accept now: {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 5}

 

     The Christian will begin and end the day with God. His speech will not be frivolous or aimless. He does not indulge in idle jesting or malicious gossip. The peace of God rules in his heart. The power of divine grace strengthens every noble purpose, softens every harsh trait. In his life and character is seen that firm, undaunted principle with which worldliness dares not tamper. Such men are recognized by the world as followers of Christ. They have learned of him. The Sun of Righteousness shines into the heart, and lights up the countenance. Every faculty is strengthened, developed, by the influence of divine grace. Such Christians have an experience that is of some value. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 6}

 

     It is the absence of personal religion, of a daily, living experience in the things of God, that creates such coldness and stupor in the church. We have enjoyed great light and many privileges. Shall we turn away from all these blessings, and sacrifice the peculiar, holy character which should distinguish us as children of God? If we thus slight the mercy of God, the judgments denounced against Capernaum will surely fall upon us. Our punishment will be heavier than if we had not enjoyed so great light. Thus the warnings, reproofs, and counsels, which, accepted and obeyed, would bring us untold blessings, become a curse when they are rejected. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 7}

 

     The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, "Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them; neither make intercession to me; for I will not hear thee." The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: "The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so; and what will ye do in the end thereof?" "From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 8}

 

     The apostles declare that this state of things will find its counterpart in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, "The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders." The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, "They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 9}

 

     The carnal mind is enmity against God. Not one of us can love and keep his commandments, only as we deny self, and take upon ourselves the yoke of Christ. Divine truth has never been in harmony with the traditions and customs of the world; it has never conformed to their opinions. Christ himself received not honor from men. He was meek and lowly of heart, and made himself of no reputation. His simple dress and unpretending manners were in so marked contrast to the pomposity, self-conceit, and vain display of the Pharisees, that they would not accept him. All witnessed the manifestation of divine power, but few saw in Christ, amid his sufferings and humiliation, the Saviour of the world. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 10}

 

     At the present day a form of godliness is popular, even in the world. A profession of Christianity costs little. But those who follow Jesus must walk in the same path of self-denial and cross-bearing which the Master trod. They may be lightly esteemed by the world, but they are honored of God. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 11}

 

     No stronger delusion can possess the human mind than that which makes men believe they are on the right foundation, and that God accepts their works, when they are sinning against him. When placed in the furnace fire to be tried by the great Refiner, much that has been esteemed fine gold will be consumed as dross. Can Christ say of his professed followers, These are my peculiar people; I gave myself for them, to redeem them from all iniquity, that they should show forth my praise, who have called them out of darkness into my marvelous light. Would not the Lord say, rather, How is the beautiful city become a harlot, and my Father's house a place of merchandise. Because of your unbelief, I cannot do many mighty works among you. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 12}

 

     We are not to call sin righteousness, or righteousness sin. While we should ever manifest pity and compassion for the erring, we should be governed by sanctified judgment and the fear of God. In their undue sympathy for the sinner, many are learning to palliate sin. The most hardened criminals in our land find a host of sympathizers. Special attention is shown them, simply because their crimes have brought them into disrepute, and exposed them to the penalty of the law. It is considered a virtue to throw the mantle of charity over sins that are misleading and corrupting thousands. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 13}

 

     The same spirit is coming into the church. However guilty a wrong-doer may be, however lamentable the results of his course, he will find sympathizers. When he is reproved, there are unconsecrated ones who stand ready to sustain him. By their unwise sympathy, they lead him to look upon himself as abused, and thus they effectually bar his way to repentance and reform. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 14}

 

     The approval of men--even of professed Christians--is no evidence of the favor of God. The Christian experience of thousands is gauged by the standard of those who profess to love the truth and to be servants of Christ, but who serve Satan. In their blindness and self-complacency, many are saying, " I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing," when Christ declares that they are poor and miserable, blind and naked. To such he addresses the solemn admonition, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 15}

 

     Every one who shall at last enter the kingdom of God will be tested. It will be manifest whether we desire to know and do the will of God, or merely to please ourselves. When called to give up all for Christ, who will stand the test? Many have been guided by their own understanding, and have indulged the desires of their own heart. The treasures of divine grace and love do not overbalance the inducements and attractions of the world. They choose self-gratification rather than Christ and his grace at the price of self-denial and self-consecration. {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 16}

 

     The cause of God today calls for men,--men in understanding and Christian experience,--men who are true to God and to the interests of his work. My brethren and sisters in the truth, I know the dangers which surround you. Search the Scriptures, examine your own hearts, meditate, pray, till you realize, by vivid conviction, your true state, till you see the peril which threatens you. Never rest till you know beyond all controversy that you have been transformed by the spirit of Christ; till you have clear evidence that you have been born again. Never rest till you know that Christ abideth in you. It will be vain for you to hope to meet the approval of God, until you come up to the Bible standard.

E.G. White, {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 17}

 

 

 

Laodicea no better than Babylon  Laodicean no better than Babylon

 

Becomes lukewarm becomes Laodicean "If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.

 

If Laodicea is not regarded with any more favor by God than the fallen churches, and the call of Laodicea is to all churches, then there is no difference between Laodicea and the fallen churches as far as being in a fallen state is concerned. Different churches believe different aspects of Babylonian teachings, but Ellen White equates them all as far as falling from the favor of God is concerned, and as far as constituting the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 

"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.

 

"Now it is just EXACTLY as in the days of the Jews. When a message came in, why all the power of the leaders [such some leaders on this forum] WAS PUT AGAINST IT, THAT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE. Now, brethren, GO TO GOD FOR YOURSELVES, and on your knees plead with God...If God sends us light, let it come to us, and let no man close the door, or try to close it. Don't close it yourselves. Open the door of your heart and let the brilliant rays of light shine into your heart and into your mind. I pray you, let the Sun of Righteousness in." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #900, Manuscript 9, 1890. 1888 Materials, p. 541.

 

Time place circumstance -- Time, Place and Circumstance: "Regarding the Testimonies, nothing is ignored nothing is cast aside but TIME AND PLACE MUST BE CONSIDERED...Every jot and tittle is essential and must appear at the opportune time." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 57.

 

Obviously, CIRCUMSTANCE is implied by TIME, PLACE AND OPPORTUNE TIME.

 

Babylon statements:

 

"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.

 

"If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.

 

 "The world must not be introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 265.

 

In every generation God has sent His servants to rebuke sin, both in the world and in the church. But the people desire smooth things spoken to them, and the pure, unvarnished truth is not acceptable. Many reformers, in entering upon their work, determined to exercise great prudence in attacking the sins of the church and the nation. They hoped, by the example of a pure Christian life, to lead the people back to the doctrines of the Bible. But the Spirit of God came upon them as it came upon Elijah, moving him to rebuke the sins of a wicked king and an apostate people; they could not refrain from preaching the plain utterances of the Bible-- doctrines which they had been reluctant to present. They were impelled to zealously declare the truth and the danger which threatened souls. The words which the Lord gave them they uttered, fearless of consequences, and the people were compelled to hear the warning.

Thus the message of the third angel will be proclaimed. As the time comes for it to be given with greatest power, the Lord will work through humble instruments, leading the minds of those who consecrate themselves to His service. The laborers will be qualified rather by the unction of His Spirit than by the training of literary institutions. Men of faith and prayer will be constrained to go forth with holy zeal, declaring the words which God gives them. The sins of Babylon will be laid open. The fearful results of enforcing the observances of the church by civil authority, the inroads of spiritualism, the stealthy but rapid progress of the papal power--all will be unmasked. By these solemn warnings the people will be stirred. Thousands upon thousands will listen who have never heard words like these. In amazement they

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hear the testimony that Babylon is the church, fallen because of her errors and sins, because of her rejection of the truth sent to her from heaven. As the people go to their former teachers with the eager inquiry, Are these things so? the ministers present fables, prophesy smooth things, to soothe their fears and quiet the awakened conscience. But since many refuse to be satisfied with the mere authority of men and demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord," the popular ministry, like the Pharisees of old, filled with anger as their authority is questioned, will denounce the message as of Satan and stir up the sin-loving multitudes to revile and persecute those who proclaim it. The Great Controversy, p. 606-7.