Roger
Morneau and George Knight
Isa 9:16 For the leaders of this people cause
[them] to err; and [they that are] led of them [are] destroyed.
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Short and to the point: An individual I know who recently (Jan. 1,
2010) vacillated for the eighth time from the position of a reformer to defence
of the apostate SDA church, used statements by Roger Morneau and George
Knight’s book The Apocalyptic Vision
and the Neutering of Adventism as part of his defence for the new
movement apostate church. I would like to ask you reader, how do/did
Roger Morneau and George Knight measure with the following CONDITIONS for
being sealed by the man in linen, Ezekiel 9: “Mark
this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in
them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in
linen, are those "that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the church.” {Mar 240.1} Is
sighing and crying done in the closet? "The
fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah contains instruction for TODAY. 'Cry aloud,
spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show MY PEOPLE their
transgression, and the house of Jacob their sin...." The work would not
have been hindered as it has been for the past several years if Dr. Kellogg
were a converted man. "Come," I call, "come ye out and be
separate from him and his associates whom he has leavened." I am now
giving the message God has given me, to give to all who claim to believe the
truth: "Come out from among them, and be ye separate,' else their sin in
justifying wrongs and framing deceits will continue to be the ruin of
souls." E.G. White, SpTB07, Testimonies for the Church Containing Messages
of Warning and Instruction to Seventh-day Adventists, pr. 02, p. 64. “So far as his opportunities extend, every one
who has received the light of truth is under the same solemn and fearful
responsibility as was the prophet of Israel, to whom the word of the Lord
came, saying: "Son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of
Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from
me. When I say unto the wicked, O
wicked man surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his
way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require
at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou
warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way,
he shall die in his iniquity, but thou has delivered thy soul.” Eze 33:7-9.
The
Great Controversy, p. 459. Roger
Morneau and George Knight speak of a revitalization of the church and how the
tares will be blown away when the Sunday Law crisis comes, to leave the
church militant purged and purified. Is that true? Will anything be allowed
to stand in the way of the omega of apostasy new movement? Who
is the enemy of souls who has sought to bring in the supposition that a great
reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists? Was that
enemy Ellen G. White, or Satan? Was it True Reformers or SDA leaders who have
been ring-leaders in the apostasy? Who has authority to begin
such a [NEW] movement? We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested
to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits
of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony
with this truth? E.G. White, Selected
Messages, Vol. 1, 204, 205. ·
Who brought the
Celebration Movement into the SDA church? ·
Who adopted Rome’s
Trinity Doctrine into the SDA church? ·
Who adopted the
world’s standards for educational accreditation into the SDA church, thus
marrying the youth to the world? ·
Who has brought
every uncouth think into SDA youth tents at SDA campmeetings? https://omega77.tripod.com/campmeetingvideo.htm "The things you have
described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will
be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings
will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions.
And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. Were the only nominal Adventists who ever existed
those who would not receive the Sabbath? Are new movement Adventists who have
removed God and will allow nothing to stand in their way—nominal Adventists?or Adventists in name only? They are going to
betray us to the Catholics: “I saw that God had children
who do not see and keep the Sabbath. They have not rejected the light upon
it. And at the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the
Holy Ghost as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully. This
enraged the churches and nominal
Adventists, as they could not refute the Sabbath truth.” Early Writings, p. 33. In the appendix of the above
book, p. 299, it defines nominal as those who do not accept present truth. Is a new movement that
removes God, accepting present truth? Clearly, the nominal
Adventists will not be keeping the Sabbath, because they hate the saints on
account of the Sabbath. Notice that Ellen White says there will be “nominal
Adventists,” AT THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE TIME OF TROUBLE: "The
leaven of godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the
danger and depression of the church are greatest, the little company who
are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations
that are done in the land. But MORE ESPECIALLY will their prayers arise in
behalf of the church because ITS MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the
world." Testimonies,
vol. 5, 209, 210. Is doing
after the manner of the world nominal Adventism? The above chapter in
5T, begins on page 207 quoting Ezekiel 9, which begins at God’s Sanctuary.
That is the subject of the chapter, not other churches who have always done
after the manner of the world. "The
Lord has a controversy with His professed people in these last days. In
this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah.
They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will
try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and
tradition. In churches and in large gatherings in the open air
[campmeetings], ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping
the first day of the week. There are calamities on sea and land: and
these calamities will increase, one disaster following close upon another;
and the little band of conscientious Sabbath-keepers will be pointed out as
the ones who are bringing the wrath of God upon the world by their disregard
of Sunday." R & H 3-18-1884. Ellen
White is speaking of SDA leaders who “will take” (future) a course directly
opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah. The other churches have taken that
errant position on the first day of the week
for centuries. Ezekiel
8 gives some of the reasons for the Ezekiel 9 slaughter. One of them was that
“about twenty-five” leaders of Israel had their backs to the Temple
worshipping the sun. Any future literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 would
demand a similar act on the part of SDA apostate leaders. It is no matter of coincidence that there is a committee of about twenty-five or twenty-six SDA
leaders in Washington: https://omega77.tripod.com/twentyfivemen.htm This is
uncanny! Or is it?! The Channel of Communication
to the people: "The disciples were the channel of communication between
Christ and the people. This should be a real encouragement to His disciples
today. Christ is the great center, the source of all strength. His disciples
are to receive their supplies from Him. The most intelligent, the most
spiritually minded, can bestow only as they receive. Of themselves they can
supply nothing for the needs of the soul. We can impart only that which we
receive from Christ and we can receive only as we impart to others. As we
continue imparting, we continue to receive and the more we impart, the more
we shall receive. Thus we may be constantly believing, trusting, receiving,
and imparting." The Desire of
Ages, 370. "Unity is the sure result
of Christian perfection"(Sanctified
Life, p. 85). How will anyone ever achieve
unity via Christian perfection and a revival and/or reformation in the
apostate church when God has been removed by leaders who will never again show
the House of Jacob its sins? Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the
Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The
ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as
guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust.
They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked
manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These
words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good,
neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment.
Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet
to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins.
These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance
of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish
together." E. G. White, Testimonies,
Vol. 5, 211. How long
will the apostasy exist in the church? The leaders will never again show God’s people their
transgressions, and Ezekiel 9 is LITERALLY fulfilled beginning at His
Sanctuaries, the House of Jacob, so why would that happen if the bad were
shaken from the church to leave it purged and purified? George
Knight was a high leader (now retired). Was God right about him; that he will
never again show the House of Jacob its sins? All of them? The most heinous of
them? Was God right about all of the watchmen in the church in the following
treatise: 10 His watchmen are blind, Unity in the Church "To secure peace and
unity they were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God
but they felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice
of principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and
righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war." (Great Controversy, p. 45). "The
plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will
rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their
sins. God holds His people, as a
body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in
individuals among them." Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 269. "Any
connection with infidels and UNBELIEVERS which would identify us with them is
FORBIDDEN by the word. We are to come out from them and be separate. in no
case are we to link ourselves with them in their plans or work." E. G.
White, Fundamentals
of Christian Education, 482. How long
with the apostasy continue? Wax stronger "One thing it is certain
is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and
increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord
shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the first
principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to
increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by
the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the
present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest,
unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the
manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after
the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation
of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to
seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing
of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57). Will there be a revival of the sincere in
all fallen churches leading them to come out: Ellen
White clearly states in The Great Controversy, p. 25, 1911, edition,
that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was a PREFIGURE. Prefigure means
TYPE, which demands a similar ANTITYPICAL FULFILLMENT. She said that TYPE was
TWOFOLD: 1. It symbolized the destruction of the world. 2. It symbolized the
destruction of Jerusalem, and the apostate Jewish Sanctuary. Then she
says that another LITERAL FULFILLMENT of Ezekiel 9 will occur. Any future
literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, must be like the first literal
fulfillment in A.D. 27-70. So all we
have to do is go back to the TYPE, THE PREFIGURE and see what happened then,
and any other interpretation makes Ellen White a false prophet: 1) Who
left who then? The good left the Bad. 2) Where
were the tares gathered? Into the Midst of Jerusalem, the apostate church,
Ezekiel 22:17-31. 3) Was
there a primitive revival of the Jewish people? Yes! Where did it take place?
Within the apostate Jewish Church, or outside it? Obviously outside it, Desire
of Ages, 232, or it would not have been destroyed had the revival
occurred inside the Jewish church! 4) Who
was True Zion, from whence the sinners was shaken? Was it the apostate Jewish
Organization, or was it from the reformer church of Jesus and the disciples? 5) Where
was the true porch and altar where true Christians wept? 6) Where were
true Christian’s sealed? In apostate Jerusalem, or true Jerusalem, true Zion?
Which also had its headquarters in Jerusalem. 7) Did
the Jewish people leave the apostate Jewish church long before persecution
began? Yes, they began to leave when Jesus "gathered out" those who
would take the gospel to the world—A.D. 27. Desire of Ages, 232, and
even before this according to the following statement by Ellen White: "The
recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes
yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and,
laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of
Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for
their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went
from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they
at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this
would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the
abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of
the Times, Vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. Any
teaching that contradicts this Ezekiel 9 PREFIGURE SCENARIO, is contradicting
Ellen White and SCRIPTURE, because Ezekiel 5:9 proves that Ezekiel 9 is
really PRIMARILY FULFILLED at the end-time when God does the worst thing He
has ever done or will ever do again cf. Matthew 24:21. The
person I referred to in the first paragraph also said that Dennis Keen proved
me wrong. All Dennis Keen did to prove me wrong was to state his preteristic
error that Matthew 24, depicting that abomination of desolation and the need
to flee when we see it standing in the Holy Place, was fulfilled in the Dark
Ages, and will not be fulfilled in the future. That is the biggest peace and
safety lie that even any preterist Jesuit could teach [not that Dennis is a
Jesuit]. I showed Dennis this statement to which he had no response: Ellen
White on Matthew 24: "When He referred to the destruction of Jerusalem,
His prophetic words reached beyond that even to the final conflagration in
that day when the Lord shall rise out of His place to punish for their
iniquity, when the earth shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover
her slain. This entire discourse was given, not for the disciples only,
but for those who should live in the last scenes of this earth's
history." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, p. 628. Note: At the
bottom of the first page of the chapter, p. 627, it says: “This chapter is
based on Matt. 24…” The true
Christians were sealed in the many home churches established in Judea. No
Christian was sealed at the apostate Jewish Temple. 1. Scripture
on Home Churches 2. Act 16:32
And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his
house. Act 16:34
And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and
rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. Act 16:40
And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and
when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed. Act 18:7
And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named
Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue. Rom 16:5
Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved
Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ. 1Cr 1:11
For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of
the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 1Cr 16:15
I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the
firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the
ministry of the saints,) 1Cr 16:19
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the
Lord, with the church that is in their house. Ellen White
on Home Churches When the
young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church,
what did they do where did they meet for worship? Ellen
White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy: "There
is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place
them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible,
that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven
their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White,
Manuscript Release #995, p. 5. "Brother
and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city,
and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out
giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work.
During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible
studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG
WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in
holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed
their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply
interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108. "Christ
was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They
came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies.
Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply
accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. Paul left "And
as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went
into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing
and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were
hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude,
he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the
school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9. "Fearing
that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association
with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the
disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles,
p. 286. What
would God and Ellen White advise in the Omega of Apostasy, the Omega Heresy? Ron The end rb |