My
Vision on Walter Veith’s View of the Church’s
Mission:
Faithful
Watchman or Dumb Dogs That Will NEVER
AGAIN
Bark? 5T 211 and Isa. 56:10-12
Isa 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they
cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Isa 56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never
have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own
way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Isa 56:12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we
will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and
much more abundant.
“In ancient times
God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks
to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people
more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course
that He would have them pursue.” [Testimonies for the Church 4:147, 148
(1876).] {5T 661.1}
On Sabbath, January 19, 2019, I was given a vision
on the three angel’s messages, and all that they entail, versus what Walter
Veith limits the three angels’ messages to. This was a most important and
interesting Revelation which I believe any who read this will greatly profit
from. Ellen White said that not all our ministers really understand what
constitutes the three angel’s message.
"The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its
importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position
which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring
into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers [the title of the ecumenical
movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and then the
World Council of Churches, in 1948] began to urge measures to restrict
religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and
should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that
light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed
for this time. Not
all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand
what constitutes that message. The National Reform [Ecumenical] movement
has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought
it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing
they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message
[the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May the Lord forgive our brethren
for thus interpreting the very message for this time." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 714, 715.
Walter Veith says near the end of his recent video
that he believes God will unify the church by the end-time. That is
contradictory to the E.G. White statements in the remainder of this document.
It would behoove you to read this vision before listening to Walter’s video, so
that you won’t be deceived by his smooth sayings about a new movement that has
“removed God.” 1SM 205.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbUegn0YHY
The Three Angel’s Messages
Walter
Veith says in a number of his videos, as well as the one under discussion, that
the three angel’s message are our MISSION, which is true, but NOT OUR ONLY
MISSION. Also, the three angel’s messages include far more than most ministers
understand says Ellen White. In this vision God has given me a revelation of
what the three angel’s messages include, as well as the truth about the God the
first angel’s message admonishes us to worship. To conclude that this knowledge
is NONSENSE, as Walter Veith intones near the end of his video, is nothing
short of blasphemy and dumb-dog mindedness (Isaiah 56:10-12) and Testimonies,
Vol. 5, p. 211, where the dumb dogs will NEVER AGAIN bark to show God’s people
their sins.
In
Revelation 14, the three angel’s messages are prefaced by a description of the
bride, the 144,000, who gives the final Midnight Loud Cry of those messages to
the world. In Christ’s Object Lessons, pp. 405-406, it says that the voice of
God and the voice of the bride, awaken all 10 virgins, and in Matthew 25 it
says that all those virgins slumbered and slept.
Mat
25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they
all slumbered and slept.
In
Isaiah 62:1-12, it is Zion, the bride (verse 5) that gives the final Loud Cry
as verses 11 and 12, are a paraphrase of the Midnight Cry, “Behold the
bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet Him.” Matthew 25:6.
Rev
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood
on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his
Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven,
as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard
the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev
14:3 And they sung as it were a new
song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man
could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were
redeemed from the earth.
Rev
14:4 These are they which were not
defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb
whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the
firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev
14:5 And in their mouth was found no
guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Rev
14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the
midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell
on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him;
for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and
earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev
14:11 And the smoke of their torment
ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who
worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his
name.
Rev
14:12 Here is the patience of the
saints: here are they that keep
the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev
14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven
saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth:
Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works
do follow them.
Rev
14:14 And I looked, and behold a white
cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head
a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev
14:15 And another angel came out of the
temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy
sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the
earth is ripe.
Rev
14:16 And he that sat on the cloud
thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Rev
14:17 And another angel came out of the
temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev
14:18 And another angel came out from
the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had
the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters
of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev
14:19 And the angel thrust in his
sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the
great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev
14:20 And the winepress was trodden
without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse
bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
·
The first angel’s
message instructs us to fear (respect) God, and give glory to only Him, for the
hour of His Judgment is come. We are to worship Him as the Creator of heaven
and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters.
·
The first angel’s
message is about God, the Godhead. Near the end of his video, Veith says that
the things being taught on the Godhead are NONSENSE. There is nonsense being
taught on the Godhead, but that does not negate THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GODHEAD.
·
The alpha heresy
taught error on the Godhead. Ellen White said that the omega heresy would
surely come and be far worse than the alpha. So the omega heresy must involve
the Godhead, contrary to Walter Veith’s suggestion
that all that is being taught on the Godhead is NONSENSE spoken by bleating
sheep.
·
Which is worse,
dumb-dogs that will NEVER AGAIN BARK to show the House of Jacob its sins (5T
211, Isa. 56:10-12), or bleating sheep who are scared by the wolves God says
are AMONG them? 1SM 204-205.
·
The True Reformers
are not BLEATING SHEEP.
· "Characteristics of True
Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers,
who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow
themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are
earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old
waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The
restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered
[written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the
foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151, & Review
and Herald, Oct. 13, 1891.
·
The Trinity Doctrine
taught by new movement Adventism, sweeps away the entire Christian economy,
just as Kellogg’s errors on the Godhead did. How? By its teaching that there
are THREE co-ETERNAL persons to the Godhead. Were that true, then the humanity
PERSON of the Godhead, produced by the Incarnation of the Son of God, which was
divested from His Divine Holy Spirit HIMSELF, to be an INDEPENDENT PERSON,
would be a fourth person, which is not true. Nor is it true that the humanity
person is co-ETERNAL with the Holy Spirit Divine Person of Christ, and the
person of the Father.
·
John 14 presents the
Godhead in its truth and simplicity. Jesus as a human on earth is speaking to
Phillip, Thomas and Judas, (Not Iscariot).
He tells Phillip that He (Christ) is the Comforter, to
wit:
Jhn 14:16 And I
will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for
ever;
Jhn 14:17 Even
the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not,
neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in
you. Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
·
We are dealing with
three distinct persons, but Christ is both a DIVINE and HUMAN PERSON.
1.
The Father
2.
Christ as the
pre-Incarnation Holy Spirit DIVINE SON OF GOD
3.
Christ as the
Incarnate HUMAN Son of God, as the result of Christ coming in the likeness of
sinful human flesh.
Rev
14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is
fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the
wine of the wrath of her fornication.
·
The second angel’s message tells us that
Babylon is fallen and that we are to come out of her.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying
with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his
mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the
wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy
angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
·
The third angel’s
message informs us that if ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and
receives his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the
wine of the wrath of God.
·
Ellen White said
that the three angel’s messages are righteousness by faith in verity.
The
Third Angel’s Message in Verity—Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification
by faith is the third angel’s message, and I have answered, “It is the third
angel’s message in verity.”—The Review and Herald, April 1, 1890. {Ev 190.3}
It Presents an Uplifted Saviour—This message was to bring
more prominently before the world the uplifted Saviour, the sacrifice for the
sins of the whole world. It presented justification through faith in the
Surety; it invited the people
to receive the righteousness of Christ, which is made manifest in obedience to
all the commandments of God. Many had lost sight of Jesus. They needed
to have their eyes directed to His divine person, His merits, and His
changeless love for the human family. All power is given into His hands, that
He may dispense rich gifts unto men, imparting the priceless gift of His own
righteousness to the helpless human agent. This is the message that God
commanded to be given to the world. It is the third angel’s message, which is to be proclaimed with a loud
voice, and attended with the outpouring of His Spirit in a large measure.
{Ev 190.4}
The uplifted Saviour is to appear in His efficacious work
as the Lamb slain, sitting upon the throne, to dispense the priceless covenant
blessings, the benefits He died to purchase for every soul who should believe
on Him. John could not express
that love in words; it was too deep, too broad; he calls upon the human family
to behold it. Christ is pleading for the church in the heavenly courts
above, pleading for those for whom He paid the redemption price of His own
lifeblood. Centuries, ages, can never diminish the efficacy of this atoning
sacrifice. The message of the
gospel of His grace was to be given to the church in clear and distinct lines, that
the world should no longer say that Seventh-day Adventists talk the law, the
law, but do not teach or believe Christ. {Ev
191.1}
The efficacy of the blood of
Christ was to be presented to the people with freshness and power, that their
faith might lay hold upon its merits.... {Ev 191.2}
Speaking
of the EFFICACY associated with Christ, let us first understand the definition
of efficacy, and then apply such to the Incarnation sacrifice of Christ.
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The following two Spirit of Prophecy statements combined with
John 14, teach with all clarity the truth on the Godhead, which is the most
fundamental doctrines to Christianity, and which is advocated by the first
angel’s message. We must KNOW the God we worship and what sacrifice He made for
us to save us.
"Christ
declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift,
the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy
of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a
reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.
In
the gift of the Spirit [HIS LIFE--THE SOUL OF HIS LIFE], Jesus gave to man the highest good that heaven could bestow....
The
Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of
Christ would have been of no avail....
It is
by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer
becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a
divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and
to impress his own character upon the church." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, May 19,
1904, vol. 5, p. 42.
“Christ
had stooped to take upon Himself man’s nature; He was to bear an infinite
weight of woe as He should make His
soul an offering for sin; yet angels desire that even in His humiliation the Son of
the Highest might appear before men with a dignity and glory befitting His
character.” E.G. White, The Great
Controversy, pp. 313, 314.
Nicholas Petula of Presents of God Miistry,
and his former associate Robert Sessler of Let
there be Light Ministries, both say that there has been no divestment
separation between the two persons of the Godhead, the HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF and
the humanity of Christ. Ellen White attests to this DIVESTING SEPARATION in the
above statement. If there was no divestment, THERE WAS NO HEAVENLY SANCTUARY
ATONEMENT. That would sweep away the entire Christian economy, but these men
don’t seem to have the spiritual discernment to understand that.
Additional Duties Attending the Three
Angels’ Messages
Christ vs. Penance—When the third angel’s message is
preached as it should be,
power attends its proclamation, and it becomes an abiding influence. It must be attended with divine
power, or it will accomplish nothing.... {Ev
191.4}
Penances, mortifications of the flesh, constant
confession of sin, without
sincere repentance; fasts, festivals, and outward observances, unaccompanied by
true devotion—all these are of no value whatever. The sacrifice of
Christ is sufficient; He made a whole, efficacious offering to God; and human
effort without the merit of Christ, is worthless.... {Ev
192.1}
The plan of salvation is not understood to be that
through which divine power is brought to man in order that his human effort may
be wholly successful....
{Ev 192.2}
Without the transforming process which can come alone
through divine power, the original propensities to sin are left in the heart in
all their strength, to forge new chains, to impose a slavery that can never be
broken by human power.—The Review and Herald, August 19, 1890. {Ev 192.3}
For years the
church has been looking to man, and expecting much from man, but not looking to
Jesus, in whom our hopes of eternal life are centered. Therefore God gave to His servants a testimony that
presented the truth as it is in Jesus, which is the third angel’s message, in
clear, distinct lines.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 91-93
(1896). {Ev 191.3}
A Present-Truth Message—We thank the Lord with all the
heart that we have precious light to present before the people, and we rejoice
that we have a message for
this time which is present truth. The tidings that Christ is our
righteousness has brought relief to many, many souls, and God says to His
people, “Go forward.”—The Review and Herald, July 23, 1889. {Ev 192.4}
A Message for the Churches and New Fields—Ministers are to present Christ in His
fullness both in the churches and in new fields, that the hearers may
have an intelligent faith. The people must be instructed that Christ is unto
them salvation and righteousness. It is Satan’s studied purpose to keep souls
from believing in Christ as their only hope; for the blood of Christ that cleanseth from all sin is efficacious in behalf of those
only who believe in its merit.—Gospel Workers, 162 (1915). {Ev
192.5}
Going to War
Without the Gift of Prophecy
Walter Veith uses the story of Deborah in the Bible
where it speaks of not going to war without the SOP gift to the church. But
when one uses only the positive statements of the Spirit of Prophecy and
refuses to BARK and show the House of Jacob its sins, that IS NOT GOING TO WAR
WITH ALL THE SOP SUPPORT BEHIND YOU. That is doing exactly as the Jews did.
They took certain promises of God to them and reckoned them as being
UNCONDITIONAL, and many Jews still do this to this very day. Walter Veith and
most Adventists are making this same tragic and foolish mistake.
Making the SOP of non-effect. Going to war while
making it of non-effect. This is the EFFECT of not taking all pertinent
CONDITIONAL SOP statements concerning the “church,” into consideration. Ellen
White prophesied the CONDITIONS would be refused, and that is the case. Walter
Veith, as well, refuses to cite the CONDITIONAL, UNPOPULAR STATEMENTS OF THE
SOP AND THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO GOING TO WAR WITHOUT THE BACKING OF THE SPIRIT OF
PROPHECY.
Veith says: “God has a marvelous way of bringing
people into harmony with the SOP,” but Veith is not giving the unpopular
prophesying’s of Ellen White. God’s marvelous way of bringing the rest of the
Spirit of Prophecy to the people is via True Reformers.
Veith seems “dogged minded determined” that neither
he nor his hearers will ever REPUDIATE the new movement, nor sigh and cry aloud
per Isaiah 58 to show God’s people their sins and abominations. Apparently he
disagrees with God that such is a necessary CONDITION to being sealed, Exzekiel 9. Thus he declines the unpopular DUTY per Ezekiel
9 and the following SOP statements concerning Isaiah 58, and most other SDA
leaders I know exhibit the very same attitude:
Ellen White says that Isaiah 58 is a DIVINE
PRESCRIPTION. Show this writer wherein Walter Veith crys
aloud to show God’s people their sins. Show me the evidence. I have viewed
scores of his videos and have never seen or heard him do so. Rather, he says
that is not necessary; to just focus on the church’s mission, THE THREE ANGEL’S
MESSAGES.*Isaiah 58 A DIVINE
PRESCRIPTION
Isaiah 58 and the Third Angels Message
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“This
is our work. The light that we
have upon the third angel’s message is the true light. The mark of the
beast is exactly what it has been proclaimed to be. All in regard to this
matter is not yet understood, and will not be understood until the unrolling of
the scroll, but a most solemn work is to be accomplished in our world. The Lord’s command to His
servants is “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew
my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” {CTr 350.4}
The Church to Arise and Repent
“Let
the church arise, and repent of her backslidings before God. Let the watchmen awake, and give
the trumpet a certain sound. It is a definite warning that we have to
proclaim. God commands His
servants, “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my
people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins” (Isaiah 58:1).
The attention of the people must be gained; unless this can be done, all effort
is useless; though an angel from heaven should come down and speak to them, his
words would do no more good than if he were speaking into the cold ear of
death. {1SM 126.1}
“The
old standard bearers knew what it was to wrestle with God in prayer, and to
enjoy the outpouring of His Spirit. But these are passing off from the stage of
action; and who are coming up to fill their places? How is it with the rising
generation? Are they converted to God? Are we awake to the work that is going
on in the heavenly sanctuary, or are we waiting for some compelling power to
come upon the church before we shall arouse? Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time
will never come.” {1SM 122.1}
Obviously,
if Ezekiel 9 begins at His Church, His Sanctuary, why would that happen if the
whole church revived and came into unity as Walter says he believes it will.
Again,
the command is given, “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet,
and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” It is not the wicked world, but those
whom the Lord designates as “my people,” that are to be reproved for their
transgressions. He declares further, “Yet they seek me daily, and delight to
know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance
of their God.” [Isaiah 58:1, 2.] Here is brought to view a class who think themselves
righteous, and appear to manifest great interest in the service of God; but the
stern and solemn rebuke of the Searcher of hearts proves them to be trampling
upon the divine precepts. {GC88 452.2}
The Chapter That Defines Our Work—The whole of the
fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah is to be regarded as a message for this time, to
be given over and over again.—Special
Testimonies, Series B 2:5. {WM 29.1}
“What saith the Lord in the fifty-eighth
chapter of Isaiah? The whole chapter is of the highest importance.”—Testimonies for the Church 8:159. {WM 29.2}
I
have been instructed to refer our people to the fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah.
Read this chapter carefully and
understand the kind of ministry that will bring life into the churches.
The work of the gospel is to be carried by means of our liberality as well as
by our labors. When you meet suffering souls who need help, give it to them.
When you find those who are hungry, feed them. In doing this you will be
working in lines of Christ's ministry. The Master's holy work was a benevolent
work. Let our people everywhere be encouraged to have a part in it.—Manuscript
7, 1908. {WM 29.3}
The
Work Outlined—"Please read Isaiah 58: ‘Is it such a fast that I have
chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a
bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a
fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord? Is not this the fast that I have
chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let
the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy
bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy
house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not
thyself from thine own flesh? Then shall thy light break forth as the morning,
and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go
before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy rereward. Then shalt thou call,
and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and He shall say, Here I am. If thou
take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and
speaking vanity; and if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the
afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as
the noonday: and the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in
drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and
like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.” {WM 29.4} This is the special work now
before us. All our praying and abstinence from food will avail nothing
unless we resolutely lay hold of this work. Sacred obligations are resting upon
us. Our duty is plainly stated. The Lord has spoken to us by His prophet. The
thoughts of the Lord and His ways are not what blind, selfish mortals believe
they are or wish them to be. The Lord looks on the heart. If selfishness dwells
there, He knows it. We may seek to conceal our true character from our brethren
and sisters, but God knows. Nothing can be hid from Him. {WM 30.1}
The
Twofold Reform of Isaiah 58—"The work specified in these words [Isaiah 58]
is the work God requires His people to do.” Special Testimonies, Series A 10:3,
4. {WM 32.1}
The Third Angel’s Message is to be One With
Isaiah 58
“The
Counsel Is Explicit—I have no fears of workers who are engaged in the work
represented in the
fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah. This chapter is explicit, and is enough
to enlighten anyone who wishes to do the will of God. There is plenty of
opportunity for everyone to be a blessing to humanity. The third angel's message is not to be given a second
place in this work, but is to be one with it. There may be, and there
is, a danger of burying up the great principles of truth when doing the work
that is right to do. This work is to be to the message what the hand is to the
body. The spiritual necessities of the soul are to be kept prominent.—Letter
24, 1898. {WM 33.1}
Our
God-appointed Work—I cannot too strongly urge all our church members, all who
are true missionaries, all who believe the third angel's message, all who turn
away their feet from the Sabbath, to consider the message of the fifty-eighth
chapter of Isaiah. The work of beneficence enjoined in this chapter is the work
that God requires His people to do at this time. It is a work of His own
appointment. We are not left in doubt as to where the message applies, and the
time of its marked fulfillment, for we read: “They that shall be of thee shall
build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many
generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer
of paths to dwell in.” Verse 12. God's memorial, the seventh-day Sabbath, the
sign of His work in creating the world, has been displaced by the man of sin.
God's people have a special work to do in repairing the breach that has been
made in His law; and the nearer we approach the end, the more urgent this work
becomes. All who love God will show that they bear His sign by keeping His
commandments.... {WM 33.2}
When
the church accepts its God-given work, the promise is: “Then shall thy light
break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and
thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy
rereward.”—Testimonies for the Church 6:265-267. {WM 34.1}
Veith quotes the following EGW statement, but he is
not giving the people Ellen White’s most severe CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS on the
final fate of the church.
“In ancient times God spoke to men by
the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the
testimonies of His Spirit. There
was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs
them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.”
[Testimonies for the Church 4:147, 148 (1876).] {5T 661.1}
THE THIRD
ANGEL’S MESSAGE
“The third angel's message is to be given in
straight lines. It is to be
kept free from every thread of the cheap, miserable inventions of men's
theories, prepared by the father of lies, and disguised as was the
brilliant serpent used by Satan as a medium of deceiving our first parents.
Thus Satan tries to put his stamp upon the work God would have stand forth in
purity.” {2SM 37.4}
Walter Veith quotes Ellen White about God regarding
the church with supreme regard. Again, one must consider TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE.
Does God regard an omega of apostasy new movement that has removed Him, with
supreme regard? Does He bring down to hell a church that He holds in supreme
regard? Does He begin Ezekiel 9 slaughter at a church that He holds in supreme
regard?
On
Sabbath a.m. January
19, 2019, the Lord gave me a vision on Walter Veith’s
view of the church’s mission regarding his current oft stated position that our
only duty is to give the three angel’s messages to the world, and that all
other issues are NONSENSE. In his most recent video as of this date entitled Leadership and End-time Prophecy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbUegn0YHY Walter makes a very strange and startling
statement at minute
1:01:09 That we are not better than anyone else.”
Then he quotes:
“As the end draws near and the
work of giving the last warning to the world extends, it becomes more important
for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of the nature and
influence of the Testimonies, which God in His providence has linked with the
work of the third angel’s message from its very rise.” {CCh 91.1}
Veith DOES NOT contribute to an
ENTIRE understanding and influence of the Testimonies, because there are many
CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS that he does not deal with.
“In ancient times God spoke to
men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by
the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His
people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the
course that He would have them pursue.” {CCh 91.2
That is a true statement, but one
had better take ALL THE CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS AS WELL!
The Curse of Meroz
Jdg 5:23 Curse ye Meroz, said the
angel of the LORD, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came
not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty.
When you think of the curse of
Meroz, which Veith mentions, think of the Dumb-dogs that will NEVER AGAIN BARK
to show the House of Jacob, God’s people, their sins. 5T 211, Isaiah 58, and
Isaiah 56:10-12. It is the True Reformers Bride of Christ, Isaiah 62, that
comes to the help of the Lord by repairing the breach made in the truth, pillar
doctrines. They are written/registered in heaven as restorers, but Walter Veith
refers to them as bleating sheep.
How is Walter Veith coming to the
aid of the Lord, when he won’t even mention the new movement he defends, as
having removed God, and will allow nothing to stand in their way. Is Veith
rather coming to the aid of Satan? Ellen White said we should REPUDIATE the new
movement. Veith says those who are trying to repudiate the new movement are
just “bleating sheep.” He won’t defend the sheep who are surrounded by Trojan
Horse wolves, when Ellen White said there is much more to fear from WITHIN than
from WITHOUT.
The new movement destroyed the
vestiges of the Protestant Reformation by the truncated book The Great Hope,
where all chapters having to do with the Protestant Reformation were eclipsed
from the book.
No Time to Listen to the Bleating of the Sheep Saying
What is Wrong With the Church
Contrary to the Divine
Prescription of Isaiah 58, and the dumb-dog “watchmen” who will NEVER AGAIN
BARK to show God’s people their sins, Walter Veith says at minute: 1:15:35 that
we have NO TIME TO LISTEND TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE CHURCH. NO TIME TO SIT
WITH THE BLEATING SHEEP LISTENING TO THEIR LITTLE DRUMS AND THEIR LITTLE MUSIC.
That is precisely what 5T 211 says the dumb-dog watchmen will say. And this
contradicts Isaiah 58, God’s DIVINE PRESCRIPTION to cry aloud and spare
not—show my people their sins. THIS IS A DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF THE BIBLE, let
alone the Spirit of Prophecy, while Veith pretends to go to warfare with all the
Spirit of Prophecy! NOT SO! This is a total mocking of the True Reformers who
are BARKING, NOT BLEATING, TO SHOW THE HOUSE OF JACOB ITS SINS, WHILE VEITH
SAYS THERE IS NO TIME FOR THAT!
WALTER VEITH SAYS WE HAVE NO TIME TO BE SEALED
This is a classic example of how
an apparently intelligent mind can go TOTALLY OFF THE TRACK. God almighty says
in Ezekiel 9, the same words as Ellen White says below. Yet, Walter Veith says
FLAT OUT THAT WE HAVE NO TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE CHURCH. WE
HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS—LIKE WHAT GOD SAYS BELOW IS NOT MARCHING ORDERS, and
the very CONDITION for being sealed for salvation. How many will be lost by
taking Veith’s Word in lieu of God’s Word on this
serious SEALING issue?
"Mark this point with care: Those who receive
the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost,
represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those 'that sigh and that cry
for all the abominations that be done in the church.' Testimonies, vol. 3, pp.
266-267.
“Warnings and reproofs are not
given to the erring among Seventh-day Adventists because their lives are more
blameworthy than are the lives of professed Christians of the nominal
churches...but because they
have great light, and have by their profession taken their position as God’s
special, chosen people, having the law of God written in their hearts.”
{CCh 91.3}
If God’s bride is not better than
anyone else, why does He say she is WITHOUT FAULT?
Rev
14:5 And in their mouth was found no
guile: for they are without
fault before the throne of God.
·
Why is the True
Church that is supposed to be the REMNANT, given the commission of the Second
Angel’s message to call people out of Babylon if she is no better than anyone
else?
·
Wouldn’t it follow that
if we are no better, we should have stayed in Babylon?
·
The Three Angel’s
Messages say that God’s people KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. Are they no better than
those who are destroyed because they don’t keep His commandments?
·
Isn’t it the heresy
that we are no better than Babylon, that motivated church leaders to go to
Babylon for help, when Nehemiah refused to come down and talk with them?
·
Does Revelation
14:1-5, The preface to the three angel’s messages, say that God’s people are NO
BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE?
·
Does the second
angel’s message read to the Babylonian: God’s remnant people are no better than
you, but you are to come out of Babylon and join them?
·
How do you call
people out of Babylon, while telling them the church you belong to IS NO
BETTER? What kind of DOUBLE-SPEAK is that?
I was
shown that one of the most serious mistakes SDA leaders make is believing that
the church is the ship rather than the pioneer message being the ship, which
the new movement has already well nigh sunk, thus the following “SHIP”
statement that is never featured in any popular SDA seminar presentations:
#1: "I lately read of a
NOBLE SHIP that was plowing its way across the sea, when at midnight, with a
terrific crash, it struck upon a rock; the passengers were awakened only to see
with horror their hopeless condition, and with the ship they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM
[VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a
moment's warning launched into eternity." E.G. White, Selected Messages,
vol. 2, 128.
Noble Ship #2: "There is
no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the
head of the work, and He will set everything in order. Noble Ship If matters
need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to
right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship
which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G. White, Selected
Messages, vol. 2, 390.
For a
true understanding as to how God attends to matters needing adjusting at the
head of an apostate church, we need look no further than the typology of the
final fate of His first “chosen people,” which Ellen White spoke of as a
PREFIGURE TYPE in Great Controversy, p. 25.
"That these men should stand in a sacred
place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the
General Conference to be--that is past".--Last Day Events
50.4
“As for the voice of the General Conference,
there is no voice from God through that body that is reliable.” -Manuscript
57, October 12, 1895 & Manuscript Releases, vol 17, p 178.
"A glorious light then rested down upon
these companies, to enlighten all who would receive it. Some of those who were
in darkness received the light and rejoiced. Others resisted the light from
heaven, saying that it was sent to lead them astray. The light passed away from
them, and they were left in darkness. Those who had received the light from Jesus joyfully
cherished the increase of precious light which was shed upon them. Their
faces beamed with holy joy, while their gaze was directed upward to Jesus with
intense interest, and their voices were heard in harmony with the voice of the
angel, 'Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come.'
As they raised this cry, I saw those who were in darkness thrusting them
with side and with shoulder. Then many who cherished the sacred light, broke the cords which
confined them and stood out separated from those companies.
As they were doing this, men belonging to the different companies and revered by them
passed through, some with pleasing words, and others with wrathful looks
and threatening gestures, and fastened the cords which were weakening. These men were constantly
saying, 'God is with us. We stand in the light. We have the truth.' I
inquired who these men were, and was told that they were ministers and
leading men who had rejected the light themselves, and were unwilling that
others should receive it." -Early Writings 240.1&2
Walter Veith Verses God’s Word and Ellen
White on the Identity of the Bride
What
Keith Drury and Walter Veith are doing, in essence, is mocking the true bride
of Christ, the True Reformers, while they regard all the people in the church
as the bride of Christ. How can the ten-virgins be the bride when it is the
voice of God and the voice of the bride that awakens ALL TEN of the slumbering virgins,
Matthew 25 and COL, p. 405-406.
God’s
Word gives us the identity of the players in the bible. And Ellen White has
much to say about the bride as well. But Walter Veith has chosen to go to
Babylon for man’s philosophy on the bride. Both Veith and Keith Drury, whom
Veith quotes on the bride, make the great mistake of referring to their
respective churches as the bride of Christ. They conflate the strictly pure
bethulah virgins of Isaiah 62:5, the True Reformers written/registered in the
church of heaven, with the people guests at the wedding supper. The word virgin
in Isaiah 62:5, in Hebrew means “strictly pure,” and that distinguishes them
from the ten virgin concubines.
"Those who think that the church militant is
the church triumphant make a great mistake." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152.
The Church Triumphant.--The work is soon to close.
The members of the church militant who have proved faithful will become the
church triumphant.-- Letter 32, 1892. {Ev 707.1}
“Notwithstanding the spiritual darkness and
alienation from God that exist in the churches which constitute Babylon, the
great body of Christ's true followers are still to be found in their
communion.”--GC 390 (1911). {LDE 198.1}
There is a general sense of the body of Christ
which included even true followers who are still to be found in the communions
of Babylon. But as Isaiah 62 teaches, Zion (Sion) is the bride of Christ, and
she has sons and daughters whom Ellen White defined as “guests,” the people of
the church, to wit:
“The
Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the capital and representative of the
kingdom, is called "the bride, the Lamb's wife." Said the angel to
John: "Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
"He carried me away in the spirit," says the prophet, "and
showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from
God." Revelation
427
21:9,
10. Clearly, then, the
bride represents the Holy City, and the virgins that go out to meet the
bridegroom are a symbol of the church. In the Revelation the people of God are said to be
the guests at the marriage supper. Revelation 19:9. If guests, they cannot be
represented also as the bride. Christ, as stated by the prophet Daniel,
will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven, "dominion, and glory, and
a kingdom;" He will receive the New Jerusalem, the capital of His kingdom, "prepared as a
bride adorned for her husband." Daniel 7:14; Revelation 21:2.
Having received the kingdom, He will come in His glory, as King of kings and
Lord of lords, for the redemption of His people, who are to "sit down with
Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob," at His table in His kingdom (Matthew 8:11;
Luke 22:30), to partake of the marriage supper of the Lamb.” {GC 426.2}
·
It is very important
to remember that “the people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage
supper. (Revelation 19:9. And that “
If guests, they cannot be represented
also as the bride.” This is crucial, because
both Walter Veith and Keith Drury whom he quotes on the bride, reckon the bride
as being what Ellen White refers to as “the people of God” who are said to be the guests at the marriage supper.
And that if guests, they cannot be the bride.”
·
In Revelation
3:10-12, Philadelphia gets
the name NEW JERUSALEM in her forehead. She is made pillars (lesser
priests) in the Temple on Mt. Zion in heaven. Ellen White said only the 144,000
enter the Temple on Mt. Zion in heaven. God does not fault Philadelphia in Rev.
3. God does not fault the 144,000 in Revelation 14:1-5. The 144,000 have to be
WITHOUT FAULT to be part of the spiritual corporate body of Christ, lest His
body be corrupt. In Isaiah 62:5, the word virgin in Hebrew is bethulah which means a
strictly pure virgin that is married as the bride of Christ. In Christ’s Object Lessons, pp. 405-406,
Jesus goes to the house of the brides father [ye are of your father the
devil—the Synagogue of Satan] and takes her to His House (Sion/Zion) the church
in heaven by faith.
·
In the same
reference, the ten virgins linger NEAR THE BRIDES HOUSE, BUT NOT AT IT.
·
At the Midnight Cry
of COL 425, 426, the ten virgins slumber and sleep—ALL THOSE VIRGINS SLUMBERED
AND SLEPT. Matthew 25 Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and
slept. The bride does not sleep, for the voice and God AND THE VOICE OF THE
BRIDE awaken the ten virgins.
·
In Isaiah 62, the
entire Chapter is about the bride of Christ, Zion. She has watchmen who do not
sleep day or night, meaning they are awake watchmen to watch over the sheep
that they be not taken by the wolves who exist IN THE MIDST OF THE CHURCH
(JERUSALEM) Ezekiel 22:117-31.
“I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which
shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD,
keep not silence,
Isa 62:6, 7 And
give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the
earth.”
·
The True Watchmen
are referred to as True Reformers by Ellen White, that are written/registered
in Heaven, to wit:
"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are
given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner
of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's
commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in
the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The
repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered
[written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the
foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible
Commentary,
Vol. 4, 1151, & Review and Herald, Oct. 13, 1891.
· In Isaiah 62:11, 12, and COL,
405, 406, it is clear that the 144,000 give the three angel’s messages, and NOT
the apostate church, because that church is awakened by the voice of God and
the voice of the bride.
“You who are appointed as directors are yourselves
to be under the direction of Christ. Take your orders from him, and give them
to the workers in the spirit of Christ, remembering that “all ye are brethren.”
We are reformers, and we are not to accept a
human standard but to be governed by the principles of heaven. It does not become reformers to
confine the work of reform to some special points to the neglect of others.
If wealth is brought to the sanitarium by the sacrifice of one Christlike
attribute or principle, souls will be discouraged, and one soul is worth more
than the whole world. Remember that Christ will deal with you as you deal with
those under your care.” {20MR 388.4}
· We are not to neglect duties
other than the three angel’s messages, as does Walter Veith and most other
leaders, in not sighing and crying for all the abominations and crying aloud to
show God’s people their sins.
·
Walter Veith refers
to these True Reformers as “bleating sheep” that we should not listen to.
Walter Veith DOES NOT meet the specifications of a True Reformer, and he does
all he can to disparage them and their warning message, as do the leaders of
the new movement who are looking on but don’t seem to understand the omega of
apostasy the new movement has imbibed,
and/or shrink from the unpopular duty to BARK and show the House of Jacob its
sins. 5T 211, quoted elsewhere in this manuscript.
·
It should be clear
that there are distinctions between the bride and the guests. Some don’t know
that there has been faithful men as watchmen in every successive generation. Desire of Ages, 232. These faithful
watchmen Reformers are the church triumphant if they continue to be faithful.
·
The church
triumphant EXISTS AT ALL TIMES TO COME TO THE AID OF THE CHURCH MILITANT IF
THAT CHURCH WILL ACCEPT THE AID OF THE TRUE REFORMERS: "The members of the
church triumphant--the church in heaven--will be permitted to draw near to the
members of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity." E. G.
White, The Southern Watchman, Sep. 8, 1903.
·
“After Jesus opened the door of the most
holy, the light of the Sabbath was seen, and the people of God were tested, as
the children of Israel were tested anciently, to see if they would keep God's
law. I saw the third angel pointing upward,
showing the disappointed ones the way to the holiest of the heavenly sanctuary.
As they by faith enter the most holy,
they find Jesus, and hope and joy spring up anew. I saw them looking back,
reviewing the past, from the proclamation of the second advent of Jesus, down
through their experience to the passing of the time in 1844. They see their disappointment explained, and joy and
certainty again animate them. The third angel has lighted up the past, the
present, and the future, and they know that God has indeed led them by His mysterious
providence. {EW 254.2}
·
“It was represented to me that the remnant followed Jesus into the most holy place and beheld the ark and the mercy seat, and were
captivated with their glory. Jesus then raised the cover of the ark, and lo!
the tables of stone, with the ten commandments written upon them. They trace
down the lively oracles, but start back with trembling when they see the fourth
commandment among the ten holy precepts, with a brighter light shining upon it
than upon the other nine, and a halo of glory all around it. They find nothing
there informing them that the Sabbath has been abolished, or changed to the
first day of the week. The commandment reads as when spoken by the voice of God
in solemn and awful grandeur upon the mount, while the lightnings flashed and
the thunders rolled; it is the same as when written with His own finger on the
tables of stone: "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the
seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." They are amazed as they
behold the care taken of the ten commandments. They see them placed close by
Jehovah, overshadowed and protected by His holiness. They see that they have
been trampling upon the fourth commandment of the decalogue, and have observed
a day handed down by the heathen and papists, instead of the day sanctified by
Jehovah. They humble themselves before God and mourn over their past
transgressions. {EW 255.1}
·
It should be evident
that Philadelphians, the bride of Christ, have existed in all ages. They are
members of the church in heaven BY FAITH NOW. God regards them as being WITHOUT
FAULT, but Walter Veith says to his audience: “We are no better than anyone
else.” Though the bride will not think herself better and act as though she is,
if God says she is without fault, who is any man to say differently?
·
It would be a bit
difficult to call folk out of Babylon while telling them there are none any
better who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and teach a
pure gospel of overcoming by love for and faith in Christ, and by the
empowerment of His Holy Spirit which Divine Nature we are invited to partake
of.
·
Walter Veith
proposes that our only marching orders are the three angels’ messages, but
those messages are righteousness by faith in verity, and comprehend more than
Walter Veith attributes to them, such as Isaiah 58 which Ellen White states is
our work, And God’s instruction in Ezekiel 9 to sigh and cry for all the
abominations in the church as a CONDITION for being sealed. If Walter Veith and
his patrons fail to do these other duties, they won’t be sealed. But I don’t
think he and his patrons are aware of their narrow focus.
·
Walter Veith and his
hearers cannot give the second angel’s message, because the new movement they
defend is in strictly forbidden liaison with Satan’s World Council of Churches
and its subsidiary Ministerial Associations, Councils/Counsels, and
Confederacies, as is strictly forbidden in Isaiah 8:9-12. All who do this
KNOWINGLY will be broken in pieces, stated three times for the seriousness of
this offense against God. Many local SDA pastors, EVEN MOST, are MEMBERS OF THE
LOCAL MINISTERIAL ASSOCIATION, which is a local arm of the World Council of
Churches, and I called that agency in Canada and confirmed this fact. In my
locale, an SDA minister has been the PRESIDEN of the local MINISTERIAL
ASSOCIATION for years now.
The marginal reference for
“slaughter weapons” in Ezekiel 9:2, is “a weapon of his breaking in pieces. So,
one of the prime reasons Ezekiel 9 is literally fulfilled again, BEGINNING at
the House of Jacob, SDA’s (5T 211) is because of this forbidden liaison. And
every MEMBER is corporately responsible, so that they cannot honestly give the
three angel’s messages, when they are in violation of them themselves. But
Walter Veith terms this warning by the True Reformers as “the bleating of the
sheep, and you should not listen to them.”
I have a Directory of Christian Churches that has a listing of FULL MEMBERS
of the World Council of Churches, which lists Seventh-day Adventists AS FULL
MEMBERS in FIVE COUNTRIES of the world, while SDA leaders lie about this
liaison with Babylon.
Adventist are generally fooled
by this lying, but Pastor David Bauer tells the case of a Naval Admiral who was
into eight months of Bible Studies administered by an SDA Pastor, and one
Wednesday evening when the pastor arrived at his doorstep to give his bible
study, the Admiral answered the door and said: “Don’t you ever darken my
doorstep again.” The pastor was understandably startled, and asked the reason.
The Admiral replied that he had
been watching a TV program the evening before, that was about the National Council
of Churches of Christ in the U.S.A. He stated that at the end of the program,
at the running of the credits, he noticed the name Seventh-day Adventists
listed as a MEMBER. He informed the pastor that he could not call him out of
Babylon into his church, because his church was in liaison with Babylon itself.
It’s a sorry state when folk in Babylon are more aware of the church’s
violations on the counsel of Isaiah 8:9-12, than those who claim to be giving
the three angel’s messages, AND THA INCLUDES WALTER J. VEITH.
The Church Triumphant is the body of Christ, the
144,000.
Veith
makes the following statement on his video quoting Keith Drury.
“I have decided to submit to Christ’s tastes in bride-picking. If He wants the church as His bride I will accept
her too. Jesus Christ, the head of the
body is easy to love. The body of Christ
is harder to love. But I have chosen to love here for one single reason—Christ
loves her and considers her beautiful.
Perhaps he sees possibilities in her I don’t see? Perhaps that’s how He sees me too?” Walter Veith’s
quoting of Keith Drury’s Beheading
Christ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Drury
Keith Drury (born 1945) is an Associate Professor
of Religion at Indiana
Wesleyan University. Drury spent more than twenty years (1971-1988,
1990-1996) in denominational leadership for the Wesleyan Church. As a writer, his blog engages pastors and church leaders
on a variety of popular and scholarly ministry topics.
Beheading Christ
“It is popular for some today
to try to take Jesus and reject the church, the body of Christ. This leaves them with a beheaded Jesus—Christ
without His body. It is a handy way to escape
being tarred by the brush that paints all Christians poorly. But it is not the religion of Jesus Christ. I
do, however understand the temptation.
I’d like to do this myself if I could.
But I have not been able to behead Jesus and remain a Christian. Here’s my story:
1. I was unable to behead
Christ and leave His body behind.
It would be nice if
Christianity allowed me to take just Jesus without the church like ordering a
hamburger without the mayo. I’d be able to have a pure religion of “just Jesus
and me.” Then I’d escape getting
smeared by association by all those half-wits in the church or on TV getting
condemned as “one of them.” If I could
take Jesus without the church I could go camping for my worship every weekend
and sit on the edge of a canyon listening to my iPod. I’d “whisper a prayer in
the morning” and consider that my primary duty to God. God would talk to me directly from the Bible
and I’d always know exactly what He wanted of me. I would be able to ignore all the troublesome
passages of Scripture and Jesus would focus on my favorite subject: me!
In fact, on Sundays I wouldn’t have to take a shower or get dressed
up—I’d just go out on my back porch and read my Bible alone or listen to my
favorite CDs. Maybe I’d go walk in the
garden with Jesus, or take him hiking with me. Jesus could become my regular
“Tonto” and provide me companionship and support in my personal life. I could escape shallow Sunday school classes
and avoid weird religious people doing their therapy in class discussions. I wouldn’t have to be a volunteer on the teen
ski trip, or to work with screaming babies in the nursery. If I could take Jesus without the church I
could have a much better religion—a religion that is bounded on the North, East
South and west by… me! I could “have it my way.” I admit this idea appeals to me as a good
American. It had great appeal when I was
younger. The trouble is—this religion
wouldn’t be Christianity. I’d have a
religion, and I’d have spirituality, but it would not be the religion of Jesus
Christ. Jesus the Christ does not come
with a detachable head. Christ comes
attached to His body—the church.
2. I’ve learned to love the
bride of Christ for one single reason.
I didn’t always love the
church. I wondered when I was young how
Christ could choose the church as His bride.
Did you ever see that handsome guy every girl on campus wanted show up
at the alumni banquet with a real dog of a wife? You say under your breath, “how did she get him? That’s how I used to feel about Jesus and the church. Why would he select such a dog? Face it, the church is no hottie. I saw her
warts, her limp, her scars and the open running sores on her face. “Seems like Jesus could do better.” Yet He chose the church to be His bride. He loved her enough to die for her. He died to make her holy, purifying her so
that she will be “without spot or wrinkle” in eternity. She’s may appear drab and uncomely to me but
to Jesus she’s a beauty. If anything
proved the adage, “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” it is this choice of
His. Here’s what I’ve found through
life. The older I’ve got the better I’m able to see the church like He
does—as a thing of beauty. Maybe it
is just a change that comes with aging.
When I was a kid-preacher I wanted the church to be delectable sexy
model of perfection in order to be worthy of Christ (and worthy of me
too). But as I’ve gotten older I have
come to see the church more like Christ must see her. I no longer compare the church to some
air-brushed fantasy that doesn’t exist.
Christ loves her “as is” and has tremendous hope for her. I suppose if
you wrestled me to the ground I’d have to admit she is not very pretty—but I’ve
decided she is a beauty for one reason—He
thinks she’s beautiful.
3. The theoretical construct of “the invisible
church” is of little use to me.
Now I know many will try to
“correct” my (theologically accurate) view of the church to tell me that the
“invisible church” is the real beauty
and the real church—and the organized actual-peopled-building down the street
has nothing to do with the real invisible church. I understand that construct assigning all the
“real Christians” to some theoretical worldwide invisible church. But the notion has little practical use any
more than saying I have an invisible marriage. Where is this invisible church
of “real” Christians? Can I worship with
them? Study the Bible with them? Go on a ski trip with their youth? Organize
relief for hurricane victims with them?
See? It may be a clever mental gymnastic for categorizing thought but all I’ve got in the
real world is a real assembly of real people who worship, pray, serve, study,
grow, and reach out together—in the building down the street. Sure, there are some folk in this visible
church who are not in the theoretical invisible one. So what? When next Sunday rolls around I can’t attend
the invisible church so I’m left with the one Christ established and Paul
extended 2000 years ago—the visible assembly of God’s people in a real place
down the street from me.
4. I’ve come to believe “there is no salvation
outside the church.”
I know this is an unpopular
notion among Protestants and most of my readers are Protestants. Over the years I’ve come to believe that
there is no salvation outside the church—the gathered assembly of
believers. I don’t believe there is such
a thing as a lone Christian who refuses to connect with other Christians. You probably disagree and I hope you are
correct. But I don’t think so. I’ve met
too many men who despise Christians, despise the church, and “would rather go
to my bar than you’re your church any day” I hope you are right—that they can
make it to Heaven without the church. I hope all the people with new-Age
privatized do-it-yourself relationships with God will be saved in the end. I hope you’re right. (I even hope the universalists are right—that
in the end everybody will be
saved). But I don’t think either of
these ideas is right. I have come to believe that one cannot be a
son or daughter without becoming a brother and sister. For a while, maybe… but not for long. The repressive Communist regimes were right:
“Follow a Christian long enough and you will always find a group of
Christians.”
5. I now think a minister should delay her or his
ordination until they learn to love the church.
I used to like the idea of hurry-up
ordinations—get your education done, grab a couple years of practical
experience and get ordained then get on with your life. I no longer feel that way. Now I say, “Take your time, think it
through.” Why? Because I want young women and men to learn
to love the church before they marry the lifetime vocation of ministry. Does seeing Christ’s bride bring an
involuntary gag to your throat? If so,
wait a while to be ordained. If a
ministerial candidate does not love the church—with all her warts and sores
included—I think they should simply say “pass” and wait another year for
ordination. Sure, you should keep
working in the church. Sure, you should
keep hanging around this bride of Christ.
See if you fall for her. Even if
you are like a son who comes to believe his mother is pretty only because his
father says so. When you’ve come to love
the church because Christ loves her—then you are ready to be ordained.
By Keith Drury 10/18/2005
Veith (cont)
I have decided to submit to Christ’s tastes in
bride-picking. If He wants the church as
His bride I will accept her too. Jesus
Christ, the head of the body is easy to love.
The body of Christ is harder to love. But I have chosen to love her for
one single reason—Christ loves her and considers her beautiful. Perhaps he sees possibilities in her I don’t
see? Perhaps that’s how He sees me too?
Ron speaking:
Why go to an Evangelical like Keith Drury for a
depiction of the bride of Christ? Why not take the Bible and the Spirit of
Prophecy in making such an important evaluation of such an important subject?
Who is the Bride of Christ?
Walter Veith strongly sets forth
the notion that the NEW MOVEMENT church organization that has REMOVED GOD BY
REMOVING PILLAR DOCTRINES, is the bride of Christ? Is that true according to
the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy? Is that God’s acknowledged church which
receives His supreme regard? Who did God regard as His supreme church in every
succeeding generation of the withdrawal of true reformers, DA 232?
The Bible distinguishes between
the bride and the church, the ten virgins, for in Isaiah 62, Zion (Sion) is
married (verses 1-5), and she is instructed that upon her walls are the true
watchmen placed; that she has sons and daughters, and that she should repair
the breach.
Isa
62:1 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's
sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness,
and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.
Isa
62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy
righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of
the LORD shall name.
Isa
62:3 Thou shalt also be a crown of
glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.
Isa
62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed
Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be
called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
Isa
62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy
sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy
God rejoice over thee.
Isa
62:6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem,
which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the
LORD, keep not silence,
Isa
62:7 And give him no rest, till he
establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
Isa
62:8 The LORD hath sworn by his right
hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be
meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine,
for the which thou hast laboured:
Isa
62:9 But they that have gathered it
shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall
drink it in the courts of my holiness.
Isa
62:10 Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye
the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones;
lift up a standard for the people.
Isa
62:11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed
unto the end of the world, Say
ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is
with him, and his work before him.
Isa
62:12 And they shall call them, The
holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A
city not forsaken.
Zion,
as True Reformers, prepares the way for the people, the ten virgins. Zion is a
virgin (bethulah) a STRICTLY PURE virgin, and IS NOT one of the ten sleeping
virgins whom she awakens, for the voice of God and the voice of the bride,
awaken ALL TEN VIRGINS, for they ALL slumbered and slept. COL 405-406.
In
the Great Controversy, pp. 426, 427, Jerusalem is the bride, and the people of
the church are the guests at the wedding. It says if bride, she cannot be the
guests and if guests, they cannot be the bride.
In
Revelation 3, it is Philadelphia that is made pillars (leaders) in the Temple
on Mt. Zion, and only the 144,000 enter that Temple, EW, p. 19.
In
Revelation 3:10-12, Philadelphia receives the name NEW JERUSALEM in her
forehead.
Zion
is the bride of Rev. 14:1-4, for she is not defiled with women (apostate
churches), the ten virgins derive from.
Zion
(Sion) is the True Reformers:
"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are
given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the
banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's
commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in
the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it
that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell
in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven
as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations."
E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151, & Review and Herald, Oct.
13, 1891.
“It is no argument against the truth that there are few
who are willing to accept it. Few accepted the world's Redeemer. Though the
multitude flocked around him, eager to receive temporal blessings, yet he sadly
declared: "Ye will not come to me that ye might have life." Men are
now no more favorable to practical godliness; they are just as intently seeking
earthly good, to the neglect of eternal riches. And reformers
of the present day will meet with the same discouragements as did their Master.” {ST, January 28, 1886 par. 3}
Indifference and Neutrality in a Crisis: "If
God abhors one sin above another, of which HIS PEOPLE are guilty, it is of
doing nothing in a case of emergency. Indifference or neutrality in a religious
crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type
of hostility against God." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 1,
p. 136. Also, Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 281.
The once SDA church militant, that militated for
pure truth, fell in 1955, to accept serious errors of the Evangelical churches
in regard to the human nature of Christ come in the likeness of sinful flesh,
the Atonement, the Sanctuary message, and the Godhead, and the correct version
of the Human Nature of Christ, to later (1980) vote in General World Conference
The Trinity Doctrine, which sweeps away the entire Christian economy.
Walter Veith, being a former Catholic, still
accepts the Trinity Doctrine, which is Rome’s Central Doctrine on the Godhead.
He cannot bring himself to believe how he could have been and still is in such
serious error on the Godhead, so he pronounces all teaching by True Reformers
as NONSENSE near the end of his video under discussion. This is NEUTRALITY IN
THE GREATEST OMEGA HERESY CRISIS possible, for it involves the most fundamental
beliefs of true Christians, THE GODHEAD.
Because Walter Veith does not understand the truth
on this issue, he glibly sloughs it off as NONSENSE. This is MAJOR INDIFFERENCE
IN A RELIGIOUS CRISIS, which ALL the dumb-dog’s of Isaiah 56:10-12 do not understand.
They did not understand the truth on the
Godhead in the Alpha heresy. NONE OF THE MINISTERING BRETHREN seemed to
understand, to wit:
Sanctuary Gone Atonement Gone -- "In a
representation which passed before me, I saw a certain work being done by
medical missionary workers. Our
ministering brethren were looking on, watching what was being done, but they
did not seem to understand. The foundation of our faith, which was
established by so much prayer, such earnest searching of the Scriptures, was being
taken down, pillar by pillar. Our faith was to have nothing to rest upon--the
sanctuary was gone, the atonement was gone." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152.
If the ministering brethren did not understand what
was being done in the Alpha heresy, it follows that they don’t understand what
has transpired in the Omega heresy, when BOTH, involved/involve the Godhead.
"A new order of things has COME INTO the
ministry. There is a desire to pattern after other churches and simplicity and
humility are almost unknown. The young ministers seek to be original, and to
introduce new ideas and new plans for labor. Some open revival meetings, and by
this means call large numbers into the church. But when the excitement is over,
where are the converted ones? Repentance and confession of sin are not seen.
The sinner is entreated to believe in Christ and accept Him, without regard to
his past life of sin and rebellion. The heart is not broken. There is no
contrition of soul. The supposed converted ones have not fallen upon the Rock,
Christ Jesus." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, pp. 18, 19.
I have to agree with Walter Veith
that much of the discussion in the new movement on the Godhead and the human
nature of Christ is NON-SENSE, but that does not negate the fact that error
should be corrected, because error on these issues is automatically ANTICHRIST!
Be it known that what the new
movement states on the Godhead in its baptismal vows, is far more than mere
nonsense. It is antichrist theology. And Walter Veith, being a MEMBER of the
new movement, is corporately responsible for what the new movement asserts on
the Godhead and the human nature of Christ, as is Andrew Henriques and EVERY
MEMBER of the new movement that has removed God.
Most SDA’s have no concept of
what the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy teach on corporate responsibility.
The following scholarly article by Miroslav Danihel, of Andrew’s University, in his
Master’s Thesis, gives the Bible alone on corporate responsibility:
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=theses
Ellen
White on Corporate Responsibility
"The
plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest
upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins.
God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins
existing in individuals among them." Testimonies,
vol. 3, p. 269.
"The
names of those who sin and refuse to repent should not be retained on the
church books, lest the saints be held accountable for their evil deeds.
Those who pursue a course of transgression should be visited and labored with, and
if they then refuse to repent, they should be separated from church fellowship,
in accordance with the rules laid down in the Word of God." {11MR
208.3}
"Christ has plainly
taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the
church..." E. G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, 71.
What happens when the
church leaders are the wolves who bring in “AMONG” the church, the apostasy?
Walter Veith says that the Reformers are Bleating
Sheep
God’s Word says that the
wolves are the leaders. When wolves surround a herd of sheep, even the sheep
will bleat. Who does God identify as the wolves? The following biblical verses
may give you a new meaning as to why Ellen White says that the greater threat
is from WITHIN.
Eze
22:25 There is a conspiracy of her
prophets [leaders] in the
midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls;
they have taken the
treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
Eze
22:26 Her priests [LEADERS[ have
violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no
difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference
between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths,
and I am profaned among them.
Eze
22:27 Her princes [leaders] in the midst thereof are
like wolves ravening the
prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
Eze
22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter,
seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD,
when the LORD hath not spoken.
Eze
22:29 The people of the land (now
spiritual Jerusalem) have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have
vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger
wrongfully.
Eze
22:30 And I sought for a man among
them, that should make up
the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not
destroy it: but I found none.
Eze
22:31 Therefore have I poured out mine
indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their
own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.
·
The broad dictionary word prophets in
verse 25, means those who claim to represent God, the leaders. Like when I
called B.B. Beach and reproved him for the church’s ecumenical liaisons, he
told me I had better be careful how I talked to the PROPHETS, meaning he and
his fellow leaders.
·
The prey are the members IN THE MIDST THEREOF.
They are devoured by the apostasy of the wolf leaders.
·
The leaders have violated God’s law and have
profaned holy things, pillar doctrines like the Godhead, the human nature of
Christ, the Sanctuary, and the Atonement.
·
All the principles of God’s Law have been
broken by violating all of the three angel’s messages and the pillar doctrines
of historic Adventism. Break one and you break them all.
·
Teaching antichrist doctrines violates the
first angel’s message to worship God. You cannot adopt and teach antichrist
doctrines and worship God at the same time!
·
You cannot return to the iniquities of your
forefathers (Babylon) to conspire with them and worship God as well. I refer to
issues like the Godhead, the human nature of Christ, and the true gospel on
overcoming all known sin, which the new movement says is impossible this side
of glorification. In Walter Veith’s video on Ellen G.
White, he and Francois Du
Plessis marginalize the Bible’s and Ellen White’s admonition
to be perfect.
·
All Veith’s
co-pastors https://amazingdiscoveries.org/AD-about-our-speakers
are corporately responsible for the same debauchery of the Word and the Spirit
of Prophecy, while quoting “cherry picked” quotes by Ellen White that “seem” to
support their one-sided use of the SOP. We deal with both types of EGW quotes
and reckon them so that nothing contradicts as she instructed.
·
The princes are the leaders who God says are
like wolves.
·
The wolves have made her many widows in the midst thereof, by
removing the husband God, Jesus Christ, 1SM 205.
·
The treasure and precious things are the pure
doctrines that the leaders have dispensed with, because Babylonian preacher
Rick Warren told them in his book The purpose Driven Life, to dispense
with doctrine because it divides the church.
·
Actually the Shaking is the result of disunity
caused by the perversion of true doctrine in the church beginning in 1955, when
the leaders held Evangelical Conferences with the Evangelicals Martin and
Barnhouse, and agreed to change pillar doctrines of historic Adventism.
·
Verse 31 will be fulfilled when Ezekiel 9 is
literally fulfilled BEGINNING AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY.
The Personality
of God and Christ
As stated earlier, Walter Veith says in a number of
his videos that ALL we should do is give the three angel’s messages, because
that is our ONLY MISSION. I submit to you that Ellen White said that Isaiah 58
is our duty, and she said we should REPUDIATE the new movement. In the
following statement, she said we must VINDICATE THE TRUTH.
“But
it has been a most trying thing to see made of no effect the Word of the Lord
in cautions and warnings regarding students not going to Battle Creek to obtain
their education. The college was taken out of Battle Creek; yet students are
still called there, and there they become indoctrinated with the very
sentiments regarding the
personality of God and Christ that would undermine the foundation of our
faith. The sanctuary
question, which means so much to the heavenly family and to the believers on
earth, has been made as nothingness. This has been presented to me as that which would be
done. We must vindicate the truth. {Lt72-1906.5}
In
the following statement Ellen White strongly implies the DUTY of the watchmen
to cry aloud to warn God’s people, the house of Jacob, of their sins and says
that the DUMB-DOG WATCHMEN WILL NEVER AGAIN DO THIS:
Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see
that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the
wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who
had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed
their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and
the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed.
These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good,
neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is
the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to
show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These
dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an
offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together."
E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.
The above statement begins on
page 207, quoting Ezekiel 9.
· Why will Walter Veith NEVER
AGAIN lift up his voice like a trumpet to show God’s people their
transgressions and the House of Jacob their sins? Is it because he is correct
in saying our only focus and duty is THE THREE ANGEL’S MESSAGES? No! it is
because Ellen White, the Spirit of Prophecy, prophesied that the dumb-dog
watchmen would NEVER AGAIN life up their voice and BARK to show the House of
Jacob its sins. Walter Veith is remarkably fulfilling Ellen White’s above
prophecy!
· All the above is why Ezekiel 9
SLAUGHTER BEGINS at the church, the Lord’s Sanctuary, the House of Jacob.
· Some think Ezekiel 9
destruction is only for those who leave the church. That is not true. All who
leave the MESSAGE
will be destroyed in one of the two literal fulfillments of Ezekiel 9. Ezekiel
9 is fulfilled upon apostate Jerusalem, FIRST, and upon Babylon later, Great
Controversy, p. 653-656. It involves corporate churches in both cases and
not just individuals.
· "In the very courts of
the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be
proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him
that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed against those who sit in the
gate, deciding what the people should have and what they should not have. These
take away the key of knowledge. They
refuse to enter in themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These
bear not the seal of the living God. All who now occupy responsible positions
should be solemnly and terribly afraid lest in this time they shall be found as
unfaithful stewards." E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson
Collection, p. 55.
· This above statement is hugely
important and teaching. Take special notice of these words:
· In the very courts of the temple scenes will be enacted that few realize. (The
church is involved, not just individuals).
· God's
wrath in vengeance will be executed IN THE VERY COURTS OF THE TEMPLE, against those who sit in the gate at Washington,
deciding what you and I should have and what we should not have. God gave it to
Ellen White FOR ALL OF US!
· What they ellipse is so
important that she says they take away the KEY
OF KNOWLEDGE, faith that WORKS BY LOVE FOR CHRIST.
· They refuse to enter the
straight way and hinder those who do--the true Reformers.
· They will never bear the seal
of God. This shows that those who do not receive the seal of Ezekiel 9 will be slaughterd in the very courts of the Temple, and not
just some who have LEFT the Temple.
· It proves that God's vengeance
will be executed at His Sanctuary, like 5T 211 says. Like Ezekiel 9:6 says:
BEGIN AT MY SANCTUARY.
Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and
little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark;
and begin at my sanctuary.
Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
· Ellen White says in The Great
Controversy, p. 25, that the Ezekiel 9 destruction of Jerusalem (the title of
Chapter 1) was a PREFIGURE (TYPE—TYPOLOGY) of the terrors of the last great
day. And in 5T 211, and Ezekeiel 9:6, we find that it
all BEGINS at HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, THE HOUSE OF JACOB.
· In A.D. 70, the type, it did
not begin with INDIVIDUALS. It began with an apostate corporate body, the
Temple.
· What I am teaching is a most
startling, and unpopular SHAKING MESSAGE. There is no shaking message in the
new movement—only peace and safety. All the dumb-dog’s won’t bark to tell you
this message. It comes from the True Reformers, as it has in every succeeding
generation, Desire of Ages, 232.
· The dumb-dog leaders, like
Walter Veith, are shirking this duty to BARK, TO CRY ALOUD AND SHOW GOD’S
PEOPLE THEIR SINS. He shirks from this DUTY, THE SHAKING MESSAGE, because it
would not bring him the popular support he now receives which enables him to
live on LAKE RESORT PROPERTY, with expensive log buildings and a plush log
home.
· Some who are crying aloud for
all the abominations, are not teaching that all MEMBERS of the new movement are
corporately responsible for all those abominations AS LONG AS THEY ARE MEMBERS.
They are not teaching the crucial TYPOLOGY of Christ’s response to the apostasy
of the Jewish church in His day.
·
It
is no argument against the truth that there are few who are willing to accept
it. Few accepted the world's Redeemer. Though the multitude flocked around him,
eager to receive temporal blessings, yet he sadly declared: "Ye will not
come to me that ye might have life." Men are now no more favorable to
practical godliness; they are just as intently seeking earthly good, to the
neglect of eternal riches. And reformers of the present day
will meet with the same discouragements as did their Master.” {ST, January 28, 1886 par. 3}
The
fellowship of priestcraft [the ministerial leadership
of which Veith is one], has crafted a one-sided presentation of “cherry picked”
E.G. White statements, that have been used to brainwash and hypnotize the laity
into believing that God needs the apostate new movement they call “church,”
because He is destitute, since Laodicea is the last church in their estimation,
when Ellen White says that ALL THE MESSAGES to the seven churches apply TO THE
END OF TIME.
1 : professional knowledge and skill in
respect to the exercise of priestly
functions
2 : the scheming and machinations of
priests : priestly intriguing
The
priest crafters INCLUDING ANDREW HENRIQUES, don’t give the rest of the story as
portrayed by Ellen White, when she clearly prophesied the final fate of the
church which they craftily conceal. Here is that prophesied fate Walter Veith
and the rest of the dumb-dog false watchmen will never present to you. WHY IS
IT THAT THEY NEVER SPEAK OF THESE STATEMENTS
“I was confirmed in all I had stated in
Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be
made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been
blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As
reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a
part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be
the necessity for another coming out. While we will endeavor to keep the
"unity of the Spirit" in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or
voice cease to protest against bigotry.”--EGW '88 356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}
Only "dumb-dog" watchmen would place the
following statement immediately after the above one ON THE SAME PAGE:
The following statement is presented just as it
appears in its reference. All bracketed portions are just as Ellen White
inserted them. The red print is by the leaders. What a lie.
and notice the very next statement right below this one that appears on the
SAME PAGE. What could be more expressive of a lack of confidence in the
SDA church militant than for Ellen White to say it will be brought down to
hell!
“Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to
walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable
for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum
[Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto
heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the
mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have
remained until this day." Ellen G. White, Review and Herald Articles,
Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}
No Time to Haul
Down Our Colors
It is the new
movement that has hauled down the colors—pillar doctrines.
Church Brought
Into Harmony BY THE SOP Before the End
A NEW MOVEMENT THAT HAS REMOVED GOD, that will
NEVER AGAIN show God’s people their sins, will not be brought into harmony for
the apostasy will wax stronger to the end and when the danger of the church is
greatest, the apostate church will be doing after the manner of the world. 5T
209.
At
minute 1:15:36, Veith says that there is much NONSENSE being preached on the Godhead. That is
true, but that does not negate that there is PRESENT TRUTH on the Godhead, and
the church he defends is teaching antichrist heresy on the Godhead.
During
ages of spiritual darkness the church of God has been as a city set on a hill.
From age to age, through successive generations, the pure doctrines of heaven
have been unfolding within its borders. Enfeebled and defective as it may
appear, the church is the one object upon which God bestows in a special sense
His supreme regard. It is the theater of His grace, in which He delights to
reveal His power to transform hearts. {AA 12.1}
The
church is God’s fortress, His city of refuge, which He holds in a revolted
world. Any betrayal of the church is treachery to Him who has bought mankind
with the blood of His only-begotten Son. From the beginning, faithful souls
have constituted the church on earth. In every age the Lord has had His
watchmen, who have borne a faithful testimony to the generation in which they
lived. These sentinels gave the message of warning; and when they were called
to lay off their armor, others took up the work. God brought these witnesses
into covenant relation with Himself, uniting the church on earth with the
church in heaven. He has sent forth His angels to minister to His church, and
the gates of hell have not been able to prevail against His people. {AA 11.2}
Through
centuries of persecution, conflict, and darkness, God has sustained His church.
Not one cloud has fallen upon it that He has not prepared for; not one opposing
force has risen to counterwork His work, that He has not foreseen. All has
taken place as He predicted. He has not left His church forsaken, but has
traced in prophetic declarations what would occur, and that which His Spirit
inspired the prophets to foretell has been brought about. All His purposes will
be fulfilled. His law is linked with His throne, and no power of evil can
destroy it. Truth is inspired and guarded by God; and it will triumph over all
opposition. {AA 11.3}
During
ages of spiritual darkness the church of God has been as a city set on a hill.
From age to age, through successive generations, the pure doctrines of heaven
have been unfolding within its borders. Enfeebled and defective as it may
appear, the church is the one object upon which God bestows in a special sense
His supreme regard. It is the theater of His grace, in which He delights to
reveal His power to transform hearts. {AA 12.1}
God’s Promises Were Conditional Until the
Church Committed Unpardonable Sin by Teaching Antichrist Doctrine
The
angels of God in their messages to men represent time as very short. [See
Romans 13:11, 12; 1 Corinthians 7:29; 1 Thessalonians 4:15, 17; Hebrews 10:25;
James 5:8, 9; 1 Peter 4:7; Revelation 22:6, 7.] Thus it has always been
presented to me. It is true that time has continued longer than we expected in
the early days of this message. Our Saviour did not appear as soon as we hoped.
But has the Word of the Lord failed? Never! It should be remembered that the
promises and threatenings of God are alike
conditional. [See Jeremiah 18:7-10; Jonah 3:4-10.]... {LDE 38.3}
We
may have to remain here in this world because of insubordination many more
years, as did the children of Israel, but for Christ’s sake His people should
not add sin to sin by charging God with the consequence of their own wrong
course of action.—Evangelism, 695, 696 (1901). {LDE 39.1}
Chapter
4—God’s Last Day Church
God’s
People Keep His Commandments
God
has a church on earth who are lifting up the downtrodden law, and presenting to
the world the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.... {LDE 43.1}
There
is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the
breach and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places.... {LDE 43.2}
Let
all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling
the description given of the remnant people, who keep the commandments of God
and have faith in Jesus.... God has a distinct people, a church on earth,
second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to
vindicate the law of God.... My brother, if you are teaching that the
Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong.—Testimonies to
Ministers and Gospel Workers, 50, 58, 59 (1893). [The book of Revelation
focuses on two sets of God’s people—the visible remnant (12:17) and “My people”
in Babylon (18:4).
This
chapter deals with the former, and chapter 14, “The Loud Cry,” deals with the
latter.] {LDE 43.3}
They
Have the Testimony of Jesus
As
the end draws near and the work of giving the last warning to the world
extends, it becomes more important for those who accept present truth to have a
clear understanding of the nature and influence of the testimonies, which God
in His providence has linked with the work of the third angel’s message from
its very rise.—Testimonies for the Church 5:654 (1889). {LDE 44.1}
Men
may get up scheme after scheme and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the
truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White and
has given her a message will be safe from the many delusions that will come in
these last days.—Selected Messages 3:83, 84 (1906). {LDE 44.2}
There
will be those who will claim to have visions. When God gives you clear evidence
that the vision is from Him, you may accept it, but do not accept it on any
other evidence, for people are going to be led more and more astray in foreign
countries and in America.—Selected Messages 2:72 (1905). {LDE 44.3}
Their
“Landmark” Biblical Doctrines
The
passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our
astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and
having decided relation to God’s people upon the earth, [also] the first and
second angels’ messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was
inscribed, “The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” One of the
landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving
people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the
Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the
transgressors of God’s law. The nonimmortality of the
wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under
the head of the old landmarks.—Counsels to Writers and Editors, 30, 31 (1889).
{LDE 44.4}
The
Distinctive Mission of Seventh-day Adventists
The
Lord has made us the depositaries of His law; He has committed to us sacred and
eternal truth, which is to be given to others in faithful warnings, reproofs,
and encouragement.—Testimonies for the Church 5:381 (1885). {LDE 45.1}
Seventh-day
Adventists have been chosen by God as a peculiar people, separate from the
world. By the great cleaver of truth He has cut them out from the quarry of the
world and brought them into connection with Himself. He has made them His
representatives and has called them to be ambassadors for Him in the last work
of salvation. The greatest wealth of truth ever entrusted to mortals, the most
solemn and fearful warnings ever sent by God to man, have been committed to
them to be given to the world.—Testimonies for the Church 7:138 (1902). {LDE
45.2}
In a
special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and
light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing
world. On them is shining wonderful light from the Word of God. They have been
given a work of the most solemn import—the proclamation of the first, second,
and third angels’ messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They
are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention.—Testimonies for the Church
9:19 (1909). {LDE 45.3}
Reasons
Why the Seventh-day Adventist Church Was Organized
As
our numbers increased it was evident that without some form of organization
there would be great confusion, and the work would not be carried forward
successfully. To provide for the support of the ministry, for carrying the work
in new fields, for protecting both the churches and the ministry from unworthy
members, for holding church property, for the publication of the truth through
the press, and for many other objects, organization was indispensable.... {LDE
46.1}
Light
was given by His Spirit that there must be order and thorough discipline in the
church—that organization was essential. System and order are manifest in all
the works of God throughout the universe. Order is the law of heaven, and it
should be the law of God’s people on the earth.—Testimonies to Ministers and
Gospel Workers, 26 (1902). {LDE 46.2}
Organization
Will Always Be Essential
Unless
the churches are so organized that they can carry out and enforce order, they
have nothing to hope for in the future.—Testimonies For The Church 1:270
(1862). {LDE 46.3}
Christ
takes the reins in His own hands and uses His True Reformer Bride, as His
disciples were His bride, DA 179. Are they disorganized when it is the voice of
God and the voice of this bride that awakens the 10 virgins at the end-time.
Oh,
how Satan would rejoice if he could succeed in his efforts to get in among this
people and disorganize the work at a time when thorough organization is
essential and will be the greatest power to keep out spurious uprisings and to
refute claims not endorsed by the Word of God! We want to hold the lines
evenly, that there shall be no breaking down of the system of organization and
order that has been built up by wise, careful labor. License must not be given to
disorderly elements that desire to control the work at this time. {LDE 47.1}
Some
have advanced the thought that, as we near the close of time, every child of
God will act independently of any religious organization. But I have been
instructed by the Lord that in this work there is no such thing as every man’s
being independent. [From manuscript read before the delegates at the General
Conference Session, Washington, D.C., May 30, 1909.]—Testimonies for the Church
9:257, 258 (1909). {LDE 47.2}
Many
have an idea that they are responsible to Christ alone for their light and
experience, independent of His recognized followers on earth. Jesus is the
friend of sinners, and His heart is touched with their woe. He has all power,
both in heaven and on earth; but He respects the means that He has ordained for
the enlightenment and salvation of men; He directs sinners to the church, which
He has made a channel of light to the world. {AA 122.3}
Ron’s
Commentary: Because the leaders like Walter Veith will not admit that an omega
of apostasy new movement that has removed God is in place, they cannot see that
it is THEY who violate the above statement. 1SM 205 says “GOD
BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without
God, is worthless.”
QUESTIONS:
·
If God and pillar
doctrines have been removed, as Ellen White states, is it not the new movement
that is moving INDEPENDENT OF CHRIST’S TRUE REFORMER FOLLOWERS ON EARTH?
·
Ellen White said
that when God is removed, dependence is placed on man. That is what Walter
Veith and every other leader in the once “church” is doing, relying on man and
their own personal opinion. They certainly are not following Christ by removing
Him, and forming a new movement AMONG themselves.
·
Every time you hear
Walter Veith or some other leader mention INDEPENDENT MINISTRIES, think of the
new movement THEY REPRESENT THAT FORMED WITHIN, “AMONG” THE CHURCH, AND REMOVED
GOD.
·
Thus, men like
Walter Veith are guilty of everything they cite against those who will not join
ANY new movement, EVEN ONE FORMED “AMONG”, WITHIN, the once church militant.
·
Any valid church
militant militates for truth, but the new movement is now militating for
antichrist error, which Water Veith brushes off as NONSENSE! There will be a
big price for that, called Ezekiel 9 destruction.
Which
is the worst state? God being removed, or working as Home Churches where Christ
is present?
"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral,
(or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither
is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His
commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I
in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS
CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth
eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.
“Those who keep God’s Commandments, those who live
not by bread alone, but by
every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God, compose the church of the
living God.” (Ms. 24, 1891, in Manuscript Releases, vol. 19, p. 242)
MEMBERSHIP IN A CHURCH
“God calls the church His body. The church is the
bride, the Lamb’s wife. God is the Father of the family, the Shepherd of the
flock. But a mere outward
connection with any church will not save a man. It is personal faith in a
personal Saviour which brings the soul into spiritual union with Christ.”
(Ms. 121, 1899, in Manuscript Releases, vol. 16, p. 277)
"The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the
supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day
Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines
which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of
reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The
principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church,
would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles
that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as
error. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be established. Books of a NEW ORDER would be
written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders
of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath
of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing
would be allowed to stand in the way of the NEW MOVEMENT. The leaders would
teach that virtue is better than vice, but GOD BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on
human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be
built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure.
Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] movement?
We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous
working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in
harmony with this truth? E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204, 205.
What Constitutes
a Church Militant? God’s Church?
Christ’s
PRESENCE has been REMOVED from the new movement formed “AMONG” the sleeping
Laodiceans. The only other master is Satan. That new movement is run by Satan,
so it is now the Synagogue of Satan, just as Christ branded the apostate Jewish
church. This is why the voice of God and the bride give the Loud Cry, and not
an imposter new movement. Men like Walter Veith and the other leaders fully
believe that God needs an apostate church that has removed Him. Nothing could
be further from the truth. God wanted the church but they refused His
conditions. Likely, Walter Veith will NEVER SHOW YOU the following prophesied
fate of the church by Ellen G. White:
proʊˈlɛpsɪsShow prolepsis Spelled[proh-lep-sis]
Show IPA
noun, plural pro·lep·ses -sizShow
Spelled[-seez]
Show IPA.
1. Rhetoric
. the
anticipation of possible objections in order to answer them in advance.
2. the
assigning of a person, event, etc., to a period earlier than the actual one; the representation of something in
the future as if it already existed or had occurred; prochronism.
3. the
use of a descriptive word in anticipation of its becoming
applicable.
4. a
fundamental conception or assumption in Epicureanism or Stoicism arising
spontaneously in the mind without conscious reflection; thought provoked by
sense perception.
5. Pathology
. the
return of an attack of a periodic disease or of a paroxysm before the expected
time or at progressively shorter intervals.
PROLEPSIS PROPHETIC STATEMENT:
Here is the Spirit of Prophecy prophesied prolepsis statement regarding
the final fate of that once Noble Ship. This is a major LYNCHPIN to my warning
message. Can you explain it away? Are you a passenger on this once NOBLE SHIP,
that is about to sink to rise no more? NOTICE
WHO SEPARATES FROM WHOM:
"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE
a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was
made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an
angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to
preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred,
and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to
him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and
earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].
The angel represented in prophecy as
delivering this message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who,
obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word,
proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the
people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED
THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the
apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should
overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of
the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5].
The watchmen upon the walls
of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's
advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn
the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace
and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH,
like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of
precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while
the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the
service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit,
there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed
their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his
faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY
WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."
E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy,
199, 200].
Note
these important delineations in the above statement:
·
Ellen
White is addressing HIS PEOPLE.
·
Ellen
White is addressing those to whom God committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of
Revelation 14.
·
Ellen
White is defining the angel represented in prophecy as symbolizing a class of
faithful men.
·
Ellen
White is saying emphatically that the final Loud Cry message is delivered NOT
BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men, because
the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused
light from heaven!
·
Ellen
White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN
BABYLON!
·
Twice
Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.
·
It is the MEMBERS of
said church that SEPARATE FROM GOD, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEPARATE FROM
THEM OR BE CORPORATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR APOSTASY.
·
The above reasons
are why there is another coming out of a faithful remnant FROM APOSTATE
JERUSALEM AS WELL AS FALLEN BABYLON.
·
Isa 37:31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house
of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:
·
Isa 37:32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a
remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts
shall do this.
Ellen
White is addressing a BACKSLIDING CHURCH whose leaders and laity
alike failed and rejected light from heaven and who refused to comply with
the conditions so that God's promises are not fulfilled to them. Consider the
following commentary on the 1884 Great Controversy that the above statement is
quoted from:
“Consider
for a few moments the chapter in the first edition of Great Controversy,
Volume IV, published by Pacific Press in 1884. In Chapter XXVII, ‘The Snares of
Satan,’ you find that about four pages in the latter part of the chapter were
omitted from the later editions of Great Controversy. These four pages
are to be found in Testimonies to Ministers, pages 472 to 475. The information
contained in these four pages is very valuable to Seventh-day Adventists and
was very appropriately included in the first edition of Great Controversy,
Volume IV, which when it was published was like the other volumes considered to
be A MESSAGE ESPECIALLY TO SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS, and to [all] Christian
people sympathizing with them in beliefs and aims.” W. C. White, Selected
Messages, Appendix C, pp. 452, 453.
In the Literal
fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 example of apostate Israel, (A. D. 27-70) all the good
left the apostate Jewish church, the Synagogue of Satan. Ezekiel 22:17-31. In
the next LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, the good leave the bad and the
apostate church is destroyed:
Isa 37:31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house
of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:
Isa 37:32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that
escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.
Walter Veith does not believe in REPUDIATING the
new movement and its removal of pillar doctrine. He often refers to marching
orders, as though the mission of giving the three angels’ messages is our only
responsibility. But the three angel’s messages include FAR MORE THAN MOST
MINISTERS ADMIT:
Not All Our
Ministers Understand What Constitutes the Three Angel’s Message
"The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its
importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position
which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring
into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers [the title of the ecumenical
movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and then the
World Council of Churches, in 1948] began to urge measures to restrict
religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and
should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the
order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth
which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really
understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform
[Ecumenical] movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that
they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even
felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the
third angel's message [the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May the Lord
forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this
time." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 714, 715.
OUR MARCHING
ORDERS
Walter Veith often refers to “our marching orders.”
He limits them to the three angel’s messages, and THEN he does not understand
how the new movement is violating those messages.
God has shown me the following marching orders to
His people. Think of these every time you hear Walter Veith say that we should
give only the three angel’s messages.
· Ellen White says that the
three angel’s messages are righteousness by faith in verity. So the people need
to understand all that righteousness by faith entails and be able to
distinguish between unpardonable sin and grace as pardon AND power. Rom. 1:5.
· The First Angel’s message
instructs us to worship God. The truth on the Godhead is necessary to know whom
we worship.
· God’s Word in Isa. 8:9-12
forbids ASSOCIATION in Babylon’s ASSOCIATIONS, COUNILS/COUNSELS, GIRDINGS AND
CONFEDERACIES/CONSPIRACIES.
· The giving of the health
message which is the right arm of the gospel.
· God’s Word and Ellen White
teach corporate responsibility.
· Corporate responsibility from
the Bible alone: https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=theses
· Walter Veith does not
understand how the Trinity Doctrine sweeps away the entire Christian economy,
and he is not interested in finding out.
· The truth on the human nature
of Christ is vital because the error taught by the new movement is antichrist.
· Ecumenical matters are
regarded by some, like Veith, as NONSENSE, because he says we should focus on
the three angel’s messages ONLY. Exposing the Antichrist Trinity Doctrine is
NONSENSE according to Veith. Sighing and crying about all the abominations is
NONSENSE to him.
· Ellen White said that Isaiah
58, CRYING ALOUD TO SHOW GOD’S PEOPLE THEIR SINS is our work. Veith says no!
· Ezekiel 9 and Ellen White say
that only those who SIGH AND CRY will receive the mark of the Man in Linen:
· “But the
general slaughter of all those who do not thus see the wide contrast between
sin and righteousness, and do not feel as those do who stand in the counsel of
God and receive the mark, is described in the order to the five men with
slaughter weapons: "Go ye after him through the city, and smite; let not
your eye spare, neither have ye pity; slay utterly old and young, both maids,
and little children, and women; but come not near any man upon whom is the
mark; and begin at my sanctuary." {RH, June 8, 1886 par. 3}
·
Giving the Straight Testimony that causes the
Shaking whether they will hear or forbear, Ezekiel 3:18, 19:
Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not
from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.
· Veith quotes the following
statement, but surely does not begin to live up to it, in that he does not
confirm the MARCHING ORDERS spelled out above, and denounces those who do.
· “As the end draws near and the
work of giving the last warning to the world extends, it becomes more important
for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of the nature
and influence of the Testimonies, which God in His providence has linked with
the work of the third angel’s message from its very rise. In the following
pages are given extracts from what I have written during the last forty years,
relating to my own early experience in this special work, and also presenting
what God has shown me concerning the nature and importance of the Testimonies,
the manner in which they are given, and how they should be regarded.” {5T
654.2}
As we
near the final crisis, instead of feeling that there is less need of order and
harmony of action, we should be more systematic than heretofore.—Selected
Messages 3:26 (1892). {LDE 47.3}
The Special Authority of God’s Church
God
has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be
justified in disregarding and despising, for in so doing he despises the voice
of God.—Testimonies for the Church 3:417 (1875). {LDE 47.4}
God
has bestowed the highest power under heaven upon His church. It is the voice of
God in His united people in church capacity which is to be
respected.—Testimonies for the Church 3:451 (1875). {LDE 47.5}
TIME,
PLACE, CIRCUMSTANCE
The
following statements which the leaders like Walter Veith never cite, show the
importance of taking ALL THE WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE according to TIME, PLACE AND
CIRCUMSTANCE:
The
voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how
the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.—Manuscript Releases
17:185 (1896). {LDE 50.2}
It
has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice
of God.—Manuscript Releases 17:216 (1898). {LDE 50.3}
That
these men should stand in
a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once
believed the General Conference to be—that is past.—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p.
25. {LDE 50.4}
A
Time of Spiritual Weakness and Blindness
“I
was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go
through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and
blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and
precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the
denominational churches, but
they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that
there would not be the necessity for another coming out.
The
leaders insert the following explanation about the above statement: [This is
the only known statement from the pen of Ellen White indicating that she might
have lost confidence in the Seventh-day Adventist Church organization. The
doubt which she expressed here was never repeated during the remaining
twenty-six years of her life.] While we will endeavor to keep the “unity of the
Spirit” in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest
against bigotry.—The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, 356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}
That
explanation simply IS NOT TRUE. Ellen White said in 1909 that Ezekiel 9 would
be literally fulfilled again.
Study Ezekiel 9
"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet
the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their
souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the
people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who
refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is
short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be
converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided
for eternity. Letter 106, 1909,
pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White
Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.
“The ruin of Jerusalem was a symbol of the final
ruin that shall overwhelm the world. The prophecies that received a partial
fulfillment in the overthrow of Jerusalem have a more direct application to the
last days. We are now standing on the threshold of great and solemn events. A
crisis is before us, such as the world has never witnessed. ” Thoughts From
the Mount of Blessing, pp. 120, 121.
“The time will soon come when the prophecy of
Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it
will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1903.
Ellen White said that ALL the ancient prophets
wrote more for us than the Jews. That includes the following verses from Isaiah
wherein God’s Word says that there will be another coming out of a REMNANT from
Jerusalem, in addition to the Bible’s call out of Babylon.
Isa 37:31
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take
root downward, and bear fruit upward:
Isa 37:32
For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out
of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.
"The Bible for Our Time.--Never are we
absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of the
ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that their
prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things happened unto them for
ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the
world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto themselves, but unto us they did
minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached
the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which things the
angels desire to look into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected
Messages, Bk.
3, p. 338.
The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880: “The
desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn warning
before the eyes of modern Israel.”
“The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of
Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and
admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded
with impunity.” Prophets and Kings, 416.
Prophets
and Kings was
published in 1914: https://library.swau.edu/adventist_heritage/ellen_white/egw_chronology.php
"In the very courts of the temple, scenes will
be enacted that few realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that He may
discern 'between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance
will be executed against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people
should have and what they should not have. These take away the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in
themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not the
seal of the living God. All
who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly afraid
lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards." E.G.
White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55.
“Christ
foretold the destruction of Jerusalem, as well as of the temple. His words were
spoken in the hearing of a large number of people; but when He was again alone,
Peter, James, John, and Andrew came to Him, saying, “Tell us, when shall these
things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the
world?
Jesus
did not answer His disciples by taking up separately the destruction of
Jerusalem, and the last great day of His coming. The city of Jerusalem
represented the world, and the utterances regarding its destruction are to be
connected with the world’s more terrible destruction. In speaking of Jerusalem,
His prophetic words reached beyond that event to the conflagration that will take
place in that day when the Lord shall rise “out of His place to punish the
inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity.” The description of the two events
is mingled, and the entire subject is a warning to those who shall live in the
last scenes of earth’s history....The events that took place at the overthrow
of Jerusalem will be repeated.” {ST February 20, 1901}
Of
those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, “But I
say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of
judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have
had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell:
for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it
would have remained until this day.”—The Review and Herald, August 1, 1893.
[The bracketed comments are by Ellen White.] {LDE 48.2}
“The
church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her
midst.—Notebook Leaflets 1:99 (1898). {LDE 49.1}
Ron’s
Commentary: God says that the gates of hell will not prevail against His
church. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Ellen
White says in the further up statement that Seventh-day Adventists who have
great light, which are exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be
brought down to hell. In the following statement she says why: but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were
NOT FULFILLED to them."
So
why does everyone say the church is going through as the ship when the people
depart from God, separate themselves from His love, and REFUSE TO COMPLY WITH
THE CONDITIONS so His promises WERE NOT FULFILLED TO THEM? Why does Walter
Veith and the other leaders not give the FULL TRUTH on these serious issues?
In the Literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 example of
apostate Israel, (A. D. 27-70) all the good left the apostate Jewish church,
the Synagogue of Satan. The bad were gathered into the midst of the apostate
Temple, Ezekiel 22:17-31. In the next LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, the
good leave the bad and the apostate church is destroyed:
Isa 37:31 And the
remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward,
and bear fruit upward:
Isa 37:32 For out
of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion:
the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.
Now back to the statements you quoted about the church.
Ellen White was referring to the final true remnant of SDA’s. The church
militant is not the remnant church. Like the Jewish “chosen people” church, it
was supposed to be the remnant, but like the Jewish church, it has committed
abomination apostasy. So the faithful once more will go forth OUT OF (SDA
Spiritual) JERUSALEM, AS WELL AS OUT OF BABYLON, because both are apostate.
The
following two statements are not included in Last Day Events to round out the picture:
"The state of the Church represented by
the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E. G. White, Review and
Herald Articles, Vol. 2, 420,
8/19/1890.
"To
the end of time, the presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true
church." E.G. White, Acts of the
Apostles, p. 55.
Is it
NORMAL to enquire:
1.
If Laodicea is the
final church that goes through, as SDA leaders falsely teach, why does Ellen
White say that Laodicea is the foolish virgin state of that church?
2.
Why does Walter
Veith always stress that THE CHURCH IS GOING THROUGH, rather than the MESSAGE?
3.
What Does it mean
when Ellen White said: "The
state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as
the Laodicean state." E. G. White, Review and Herald Articles,
Vol. 2, 420, 8/19/1890.
"To the end of time, the presence
of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.
“The
church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.—Notebook Leaflets 1:99
(1898). {LDE 49.1}
Abuse of Power at Church Headquarters
The General
Conference is itself becoming corrupted with wrong sentiments and
principles.... {LDE 49.2}
Men
have taken unfair advantage of those whom they supposed to be under their
jurisdiction. They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they
would rule or ruin.... {LDE 49.3}
The
high-handed power that has been developed, as though position has made men
gods, makes me afraid, and ought to cause fear. It is a curse wherever and by
whomsoever it is exercised.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers,
359-361 (1895). {LDE 49.4}
There
are altogether too many weighty responsibilities given to a few men, and some
do not make God their Counselor. What do these men know of the necessities of
the work in foreign countries? How can they know how to decide the questions
which come to them asking for information? It would require three months for
those in foreign countries to receive a response to their questions, even if
there was no delay in writing.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 321
(1896). {LDE 49.5}
Those
living in distant countries will not do that which their judgment tells them is
right unless they first send for permission to Battle Creek. Before they will
advance they await Yes or No from that place.—Special Testimonies, Series A
9:32 (1896). {LDE 49.6}
It is
not wise to choose one man as president of the General Conference. The work of
the General Conference has extended, and some things have been made
unnecessarily complicated. A want of discernment has been shown. There should
be a division of the field, or some other plan should be devised to change the
present order of things.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 342
(1896). [The Seventh-day Adventist Church was organized in 1863 with 3,500
members, half a dozen local conferences, about thirty ministerial laborers, and
a General Conference Committee of three. The General Conference president was
well able to provide the leadership and counsel required by such a small
organization. He could personally attend every important meeting and in
addition give personal attention to much of the business connected with the
publishing work. However, by 1896 the work of the church had greatly expanded
in the United States, and extended to Europe, Australia, and Africa as well. It
was no longer possible for one man to give adequate supervision and direction
to such a widespreading work. Ellen White urged a
division of the field, so that our church members around the world would not
look to just one man for counsel. This was accomplished by the creation of
union conferences and world divisions.] {LDE 50.1}
Unwise
Leaders Do Not Speak for God
“The
voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how
the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.”—Manuscript Releases
17:185 (1896). {LDE 50.2}
“It
has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice
of God.”—Manuscript Releases 17:216 (1898). {LDE 50.3}
“That
these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the
people, as we once believed the General Conference to be—that is past.”—The
General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p. 25. {LDE 50.4}
A New Denomination Not Needed
When
Jesus and His followers separated from the apostate church organization of His
day, they did not begin a new denomination. They merely upheld the original
instructions God gave to His church, and that is all True Reformers do today.
You
will take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of
the shaking among God’s people, and you will talk of a coming out from this
people of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the
enemy.... Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them,
we would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has ever been
witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan wants.—Selected
Messages 1:179 (1890). {LDE 51.1}
The
Lord has not given you a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists Babylon,
and to call the people of God to come out of her. All the reasons you may
present cannot have weight with me on this subject, because the Lord has given
me decided light that is opposed to such a message.... {LDE 51.2}
I
know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up
into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is
not the least evidence that such a thing will be.—Selected Messages 2:63, 68,
69 (1893). {LDE 51.3}
I
tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will
work.... When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God’s
commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human
scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that
God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.—Selected Messages 3:17, 18
(1893). {LDE 51.4}
God Will Set Everything in Order
If
you believe God setting everything in order changes the apostate new movement
from bad to good, is that what happened to the apostate organization of
Christ’s day which Ellen White said was a PREFIGURE of His end-time church, 5T
211, which begins on p. 207, quoting Ezekiel 9.
There
is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at
the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If matters need
adjusting at the head of the work God will attend to that, and work to right every
wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears
the people of God safely into port.—Selected Messages 2:390 (1892). {LDE 52.1}
Has
God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the
church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective members, that there
are tares amid the wheat.... Although there are evils existing in the church,
and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be
the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church,
enfeebled and defective, needing to be reproved, warned, and counseled, is the
only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme
regard.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 45, 49 (1893). {LDE 52.2}
The
bulwarks of Satan will never triumph. Victory will attend the third angel’s
message. As the Captain of the Lord’s host tore down the walls of Jericho, so
will the Lord’s commandment-keeping people triumph, and all opposing elements
be defeated.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 410 (1898). {LDE
52.3}
Distribution of Responsibility Urged
What
we want now is a reorganization. We want to begin at the foundation, and to
build upon a different principle.... {LDE 53.1}
Here
are men who are standing at the head of our various institutions, of the
educational interests, and of the conferences in different localities and in
different States. All these are to stand as representative men, to have a voice
in molding and fashioning the plans that shall be carried out. There are to be
more than one or two or three men to consider the whole vast field. The work is
great, and there is no one human mind that can plan for the work which needs to
be done.... {LDE 53.2}
Now I
want to say, God has not put any kingly power in our ranks to control this or
that branch of the work. The work has been greatly restricted by the efforts to
control it in every line.... There must be a renovation, a reorganization; a
power and strength must be brought into the committees that are necessary.”
[From Ellen White’s opening address on April 2, 1901, to the General Conference
Session in Battle Creek.]—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, pp.
25, 26. {LDE 53.3}
New
Conferences must be formed. It was in the order of God that the Union
conference was organized in Australasia.... It is not necessary to send
thousands of miles to Battle Creek for advice, and then have to wait weeks for
an answer. Those who are right on the ground are to decide what shall be
done.—The General Conference Bulletin, April 5, 1901, pp. 69, 70. {LDE 53.4}
The
1901 General Conference Session Responds
Who
do you suppose has been among us since this Conference began? Who has kept away
the objectionable features that generally appear in such a meeting? Who has
walked up and down the aisles of this Tabernacle? The God of heaven and His
angels. And they did not come here to tear you in pieces, but to give you right
and peaceable minds. They have been among us to work the works of God, to keep
back the powers of darkness, that the work God designed should be done should
not be hindered. The angels of God have been working among us.... {LDE 54.1}
I was
never more astonished in my life than at the turn things have taken at this
meeting. This is not our work. God has brought it about. Instruction regarding
this was presented to me, but until the sum was worked out at this meeting I
could not comprehend this instruction. God’s angels have been walking up and
down in this congregation. I want every one of you to remember this, and I want
you to remember also that God has said that He will heal the wounds of His people.—The
General Conference Bulletin, April 25, 1901, pp. 463, 464. {LDE 54.2}
During
the General Conference the Lord wrought mightily for His people. Every time I
think of that meeting, a sweet solemnity comes over me, and sends a glow of
gratitude to my soul. We have seen the stately steppings
of the Lord our Redeemer. We praise His holy name, for He has brought
deliverance to His people.—The Review and Herald, November 26, 1901. {LDE 54.3}
It
has been a necessity to organize union conferences, that the General Conference
shall not exercise dictation over all the separate conferences. The power
vested in the Conference is not to be centered in one man, or two men, or six
men; there is to be a council of men over the separate divisions.—Manuscript
26, 1903 (April 3). [For further information regarding organizational changes
made at the 1901 General Conference Session see the Seventh-day Adventist
Encyclopedia (Vol. 10 of the Commentary Reference Series), Revised Edition, pp.
1050-1053.] {LDE 55.1}
Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed
(TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE MUST BE CONSIDERED)
We
cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now
enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.—Selected Messages 2:390
(1905). {LDE 55.2}
In
1955, the once SDA church militant, stepped off the foundation laid by the
pioneers and indeed did form a new organization that meant APOSTASY FROM THE
TRUTH.
I am
instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us
as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall
stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the
end of time.—Selected Messages 2:397 (1908). {LDE 55.3}
God’s
True Church will stand PERFECTLY UNITED IN THE SPIRIT AND COUNSEL OF THE LORD
OF HOSTS TO THE END OF TIME. But if you think the new movement is PERFECTLY
UNITED, you are very wrong. The latest disunity in the new movement is an
authority war. George R. Knight has written a new book on this entitled Adventist Authority Wars. The church has
been very ununited since 1955, when it began its trek into unpardonable sin
antichrist apostasy.
At
times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the
work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise
plans to restrict God’s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the
voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of
God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed
of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the
field should not be respected. {LDE 55.4}
God
has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the
earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error
that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of
one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and
influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and voice of the
General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His
work.—Testimonies for the Church 9:260, 261 (1909). {LDE 56.1}
God
has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be
justified in disregarding and despising, for he who does this despises the
voice of God.—The Acts of the Apostles, 164 (1911). {LDE 56.2}
I am
encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding His
people and that He will continue to be with them, even to the end.—Selected
Messages 2:406 (1913). [From Ellen White’s final message to the Seventh-day
Adventist Church in General Conference Session. These reassuring words were
read to the session by the General Conference president, A. G. Daniells, on May
27, 1913.] {LDE 56.3}
A Statement by W. C. White
I
told her [Mrs. Lida Scott] how Mother regarded the
experience of the remnant church, and of her positive teaching that God would
not permit this denomination to so fully apostatize that there would be the
coming out of another church.—W. C. White to E. E. Andross,
May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File. {LDE 56.4}
The
above “hearsay” statement by Willie White, would contradict many statements by
Ellen White, like the one that Ezekiel 9 will BEGIN AT HIS SANCTUARY, HIS
CHURCH, THE HOUSE OF JACOB, 5T 211, which chapter begins on p. 207, quoting
Ezekiel 9. It would also contradict the Bible in Isaiah 37:31, 32, which Ellen
White said was written more for us than the Jews.
Spiritual Revival Still Needed
One
day at noon I was writing of the work that might have been done at the last
[1901] General Conference if the men in positions of trust had followed the
will and way of God. Those who have had great light have not walked in the
light. The meeting was closed, and the break was not made. Men did not humble
themselves before the Lord as they should have done, and the Holy Spirit was
not imparted. {LDE 57.1}
I had
written thus far when I lost consciousness, and I seemed to be witnessing a
scene in Battle Creek. {LDE 57.2}
We
were assembled in the auditorium of the Tabernacle. Prayer was offered, a hymn
was sung, and prayer was again offered. Most earnest supplication was made to
God. The meeting was marked by the presence of the Holy Spirit.... {LDE 57.3}
No
one seemed to be too proud to make heartfelt confession, and those who led in
this work were the ones who had influence, but had not before had courage to
confess their sins. {LDE 57.4}
There
was rejoicing such as never before had been heard in the Tabernacle. {LDE 57.5}
Then
I aroused from my unconsciousness, and for a while could not think where I was.
My pen was still in my hand. The words were spoken to me: “This might have
been. All this the Lord was waiting to do for His people. All heaven was
waiting to be gracious.” I thought of where we might have been had thorough
work been done at the last General Conference.—Testimonies for the Church
8:104-106 (January 5, 1903). {LDE 57.6}
I
have been deeply impressed by scenes that have recently passed before me in the
night season. There seemed to be a great movement—a work of revival—going
forward in many places. Our people were moving into line, responding to God’s
call.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 515 (1913). [From Ellen
White’s first message to the General Conference Session of 1913.] {LDE 58.1}
The
Patience of God With His People
The church
has failed, sadly failed, to meet the expectations of her Redeemer, and yet the
Lord does not withdraw Himself from His people. He bears with them still, not
because of any goodness found in them, but that His name may not be dishonored
before the enemies of truth and righteousness, that the satanic agencies may
not triumph in the destruction of God’s people. He has borne long with their
waywardness, unbelief and folly. With wonderful forbearance and compassion He
has disciplined them. If they will heed His instruction He will cleanse away
their perverse tendencies, saving them with an everlasting salvation and making
them eternal monuments of the power of His grace.—The Signs of the Times,
November 13, 1901. {LDE 58.2}
We
should remember that the church, enfeebled and defective though it be, is the
only object on earth on which Christ bestows His supreme regard. He is
constantly watching it with solicitude, and is strengthening it by His Holy
Spirit.—Selected Messages 2:396 (1902). {LDE 58.3}
God
Works With Those Who Are Faithful to Him
The
Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish
people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of
God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle
with every branch of His work. {LDE 59.1}
When
a church proves unfaithful to the word of the Lord, whatever their position may
be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with
them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these
in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not
establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will
grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them
from their place and make them a reproach.—Manuscript Releases 14:102 (1903).
{LDE 59.2}
Judged
by the Light Bestowed
In
the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be
weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had.
If her spiritual experience does not correspond to the advantages that Christ,
at infinite cost, has bestowed on her, if the blessings conferred have not
qualified her to do the work entrusted to her, on her will be pronounced the
sentence: “Found wanting.” By the light bestowed, the opportunities given, will
she be judged.... {LDE 59.3}
Solemn
admonitions of warning, manifest in the destruction of dearly cherished
facilities [The Battle Creek Sanitarium, the largest and best-known Adventist
institution in the world, burned to the ground February 18, 1902. this was
followed by the destruction of the Review and Herald Publishing Association,
also by fire, on December 30, 1902.] for service, say to us: “Remember
therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works”
(Revelation 2:5).... {LDE 60.1}
Unless
the church, which is now being leavened with her own backsliding, shall repent
and be converted, she will eat of the fruit of her own doing, until she shall
abhor herself. When she resists the evil and chooses the good, when she seeks
God with all humility and reaches her high calling in Christ, standing on the
platform of eternal truth and by faith laying hold upon the attainments
prepared for her, she will be healed. She will appear in her God-given
simplicity and purity, separate from earthly entanglements, showing that the
truth has made her free indeed. Then her members will indeed be the chosen of
God, His representatives.—Testimonies for the Church 8:247-251 (April 21,
1903). {LDE 60.2}
Israel’s
History a Warning to Us
In
these last days God’s people will be exposed to the very same dangers as were
ancient Israel. Those who will not receive the warnings that God gives will
fall into the same perils as did ancient Israel and come short of entering into
rest through unbelief. Ancient Israel suffered calamities on account of their
unsanctified hearts and unsubmitted wills. Their final rejection as a nation
was a result of their own unbelief, self-confidence, impenitence, blindness of
mind, and hardness of heart. In their history we have a danger signal lifted
before us.{LDE 60.3}
“Take
heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in
departing from the living God.... For we are made partakers of Christ, if we
hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end” (Hebrews 3:12,
14).—Letter 30, 1895. {LDE 61.1}
The
Church Militant Is Imperfect
The
church militant is not the church triumphant, and earth is not heaven. The
church is composed of erring, imperfect men and women, who are but learners in
the school of Christ, to be trained, disciplined, educated, for this life and
for the future, immortal life.—The Signs of the Times, January 4, 1883. {LDE
61.2}
“Some
people seem to think that upon entering the church they will have their
expectations fulfilled, and meet only with those who are pure and perfect. They
are zealous in their faith, and when they see faults in church members, they
say, “We left the world in order to have no association with evil characters,
but the evil is here also;” and they ask, as did the servants in the parable,
“From whence then hath it tares?” But we need not be thus disappointed, for the
Lord has not warranted us in coming to the conclusion that the church is
perfect; and all our zeal will not be successful in making the church militant
as pure as the church triumphant.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers,
47 (1893). {LDE 61.3}
Ellen
White is clear in other statements that open sinners are to be separated from
the church if they will not reform. She also says that it is IMPOSSIBLE to
unite with the corrupt and remain/become pure. She defines tares as insincere
Christians whose motives we would have to JUDGE in order to uproot them.
Thorns, on the other hand, are open, apostate sinners, and if we can co-dwell
with them and mature as Christians, we should go back to Babylon. But we can’t
and that is one reason we were called out of Babylon.
The
Church Triumphant Will Be Faithful and Christlike
The
work is soon to close. The members of the church militant who have proved
faithful will become the church triumphant.—Evangelism, 707 (1892). {LDE 62.1}
“The
life of Christ was a life charged with a divine message of the love of God, and
He longed intensely to impart this love to others in rich measure. Compassion
beamed from His countenance, and His conduct was characterized by grace,
humility, truth, and love. Every member of His church militant must manifest
the same qualities, if he would join the church triumphant.”—Fundamentals of
Christian Education, 179 (1891). {LDE 62.2}
God’s
Promises Are Conditional
“The
angels of God in their messages to men represent time as very short. [See
Romans 13:11, 12; 1 Corinthians 7:29; 1 Thessalonians 4:15, 17; Hebrews 10:25;
James 5:8, 9; 1 Peter 4:7; Revelation 22:6, 7.] Thus it has always been
presented to me. It is true that time has continued longer than we expected in
the early days of this message. Our Saviour did not appear as soon as we hoped.
But has the Word of the Lord failed? Never! It should be remembered that the promises and threatenings of God are alike conditional.” [See Jeremiah
18:7-10; Jonah 3:4-10.]... {LDE 38.3}
“We
may have to remain here in this world because of insubordination many more
years, as did the children of Israel, but for Christ’s sake His people should
not add sin to sin by charging God with the consequence of their own wrong
course of action.”—Evangelism, 695, 696 (1901). {LDE 39.1}
What
Christ Is Waiting For
“Christ
is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church.
When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then
He will come to claim them as His own.” {LDE 39.2}
“It is the privilege of every
Christian, not only to look for, but to hasten the coming of our Lord Jesus
Christ. Were all who profess His name bearing fruit to His glory, how
quickly the whole world would be sown with the seed of the gospel. Quickly the
last great harvest would be ripened, and Christ would come to gather the
precious grain.”—Christ’s Object Lessons, 69 (1900). {LDE 39.3}
“By giving
the gospel to the world it is in our power to hasten our Lord’s return. We are
not only to look for but to hasten the coming of the day of God” (2 Peter 3:12,
margin).—The Desire of Ages, 633 (1898). {LDE 39.4}
“He
has put it in our power, through cooperation with Him, to bring this scene of
misery to an end.”—Education, 264 (1903). {LDE 39.5}
A Limit to God’s Forbearance
“With
unerring accuracy the Infinite One still keeps an account with all nations.
While His mercy is tendered with calls to repentance this account will remain
open, but when the figures reach a certain amount, which God has fixed, the
ministry of His wrath commences.—"Testimonies for the Church 5:208 (1882).
{LDE 39.6}
“God
keeps a record with the nations. The figures are swelling against them in the
books of heaven, and when it shall have become a law that the transgression of
the first day of the week shall be met with punishment, then their cup will be
full.”—The S.D.A. Bible Commentary 7:910 (1886). {LDE 40.1}
God
keeps a reckoning with the nations.... “When the time fully comes that iniquity
shall have reached the stated boundary of God’s mercy, His forbearance will
cease. When the accumulated figures in heaven’s record books shall mark the sum
of transgression complete, wrath will come.”—Testimonies for the Church 5:524
(1889). {LDE 40.2}
“While
God’s mercy bears long with the transgressor, there is a limit beyond which men
may not go on in sin. When that limit is reached, then the offers of mercy are
withdrawn, and the ministration of judgment begins.”—Patriarchs and Prophets,
162, 165 (1890). {LDE 40.3}
No
one knows when their particular case comes up in the Judgment. Will you or I be
sinning when that happens?
“The
time is coming when in their fraud and insolence men will reach a point that
the Lord will not permit them to pass and they will learn that there is a limit
to the forbearance of Jehovah.”—Testimonies for the Church 9:13 (1909). {LDE
40.4}
There
is a limit beyond which the judgments of Jehovah can no longer be
delayed.—Prophets and Kings, 417 (c. 1914). {LDE 40.5}
Transgression Has Almost Reached Its Limit
“Time
will last a little longer until the inhabitants of the earth have filled up the
cup of their iniquity, and then the wrath of God, which has so long slumbered,
will awake, and this land of light will drink the cup of His unmingled
wrath.”—Testimonies For The Church 1:363 (1863). {LDE 41.1}
“The
cup of iniquity is nearly filled, and the retributive justice of God is about
to descend upon the guilty. —Testimonies for the Church 4:489 (1880). {LDE
41.2}
“The
wickedness of the inhabitants of the world has almost filled up the measure of
their iniquity. This earth has almost reached the place where God will permit
the destroyer to work his will upon it.”—Testimonies for the Church 7:141
(1902). {LDE 41.3}
“Transgression
has almost reached its limit. Confusion fills the world, and a great terror is
soon to come upon human beings. The end is very near. We who know the truth should be preparing for what
is soon to break upon the world as an overwhelming surprise.”—Testimonies
for the Church 8:28 (1904). {LDE 41.4}
We Should Keep the Great Day of God Before
Our Minds
“We
must educate ourselves to be thinking and dwelling upon the great scenes of the
judgment just before us and then, as we keep the scenes of the great day of God
before us when everything will be revealed, it will have an effect upon our character. One
brother said to me, “Sister White, do you think the Lord will come in ten
years?” “What difference does it make to you whether He shall come in two,
four, or ten years?” “Why,” said he, “I think I would do differently in some
things than I now do if I knew the Lord was to come in ten years.” {LDE 41.5}
“What
would you do?” said I. {LDE 42.1}
“Why,”
said he, “I would sell my property and begin to search the Word of God and try
to warn the people and get them to prepare for His coming, and I would plead
with God that I might be ready to meet Him.” {LDE 42.2}
Then
said I, “If you knew that the Lord was not coming for twenty years, you would
live differently?” {LDE 42.3}
Said
he, “I think I would.”... {LDE 42.4}
How
selfish was the expression that he would live a different life if he knew his Lord
was to come in ten years! Why,
Enoch walked with God 300 years. This is a lesson for us that we shall walk
with God every day, and we are not safe unless we are waiting and watching.—Manuscript
10, 1886. {LDE 42.5}
The Shortness of Time
“May the Lord give no rest, day
nor night, to those who are now careless and indolent in the cause and work of
God. The end is near. This is that which Jesus would have us keep ever
before us—the shortness of time.”—Letter 97, 1886. {LDE 42.6}
“When
we shall stand with the redeemed upon the sea of glass with harps of gold and
crowns of glory and before us the unmeasured eternity, we shall then see how
short was the waiting period of probation.”—Manuscript Releases 10:266 (1886).
{LDE 42.7}
Chapter
4—God’s Last Day Church
God’s People Keep His Commandments
“God
has a church on earth who are lifting up the downtrodden law, and presenting to
the world the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....” {LDE
43.1}
That “church”
is NOT a new movement that has removed pillar doctrines and substituted
antichrist teachings.
“There
is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach and
making up the hedge, building up the old waste places....” {LDE 43.2}
That
was a LONG time ago. The church on earth that is PRESENTLY standing in the
breach and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places, is the True
Reformers. Isaiah 62.
“Let
all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given
of the remnant people, who keep the commandments of God and have faith in
Jesus.... God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none,
but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the
law of God.... My brother, if you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist
Church is Babylon, you are wrong.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers,
50, 58, 59 (1893). [The book of Revelation focuses on two sets of God’s
people—the visible remnant (12:17) and “My people” in Babylon (18:4). This
chapter deals with the former, and chapter 14, “The Loud Cry,” deals with the
latter.] {LDE 43.3}
Time,
Place and Circumstance IS OF THE ESSENCE!
They
Have the Testimony of Jesus
“As
the end draws near and the work of giving the last warning to the world
extends, it becomes more important for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of
the nature and influence of the testimonies, which God in His providence
has linked with the work
of the third angel’s message from its very rise.—Testimonies for the
Church 5:654 (1889). {LDE 44.1}
“Men
may get up scheme after scheme and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the
truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White and
has given her a message will be safe from the many delusions that will come in
these last days.
—Selected Messages 3:83, 84 (1906). {LDE 44.2}
Their “Landmark” Biblical Doctrines
The
passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our
astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and
having decided relation to God’s people upon the earth, [also] the first and
second angels’ messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was
inscribed, “The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” One of the
landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving
people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the
Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the
transgressors of God’s law. The nonimmortality of the
wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under
the head of the old landmarks.”—Counsels to Writers and Editors, 30, 31 (1889).
{LDE 44.4}
Ellen
White identified the personality of God and Christ as pillar landmarks. Those
have to do with the human nature of Christ, which is inseparable from the truth
on the Godhead.
Godhead as a pillar doctrine
--
Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek to remove the
old landmarks are not holding
fast they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories
that would remove the pillars of our
faith concerning the
sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as
blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set
the people of God adrift without an anchor." {MR760 9.5}
Ellen
White to Kellogg in the Alpha
"You are not definitely clear on
the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have
virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself." EGW letter 300 1903.
The Distinctive Mission of Seventh-day
Adventists
“The Lord
has made us the depositaries of His law; He has committed to us sacred and
eternal truth, which is to be given to others in faithful warnings, reproofs,
and encouragement.”—Testimonies for the Church 5:381 (1885). {LDE 45.1}
“Seventh-day
Adventists have been chosen by God as a peculiar people, separate from the
world. By the great cleaver of truth He has cut them out from the quarry of the
world and brought them into connection with Himself. He has made them His
representatives and has called them to be ambassadors for Him in the last work
of salvation. The greatest wealth of truth ever entrusted to mortals, the most
solemn and fearful warnings ever sent by God to man, have been committed to
them to be given to the world.”—Testimonies for the Church 7:138 (1902). {LDE
45.2}
“In a
special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and
light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing
world. On them is shining wonderful light from the Word of God. They have been
given a work of the most solemn import—the proclamation of the first, second,
and third angels’ messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They
are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention.”—Testimonies for the
Church 9:19 (1909). {LDE 45.3}
A new
movement that has removed God, should not call itself Seventh-day Adventist!
Reasons
Why the Seventh-day Adventist Church Was Organized
“As
our numbers increased it was evident that without some form of organization
there would be great confusion, and the work would not be carried forward
successfully. To provide for the support of the ministry, for carrying the work
in new fields, for protecting both the churches and the ministry from unworthy
members, for holding church property, for the publication of the truth through
the press, and for many other objects, organization was indispensable....” {LDE
46.1}
“Light
was given by His Spirit that there must be order and thorough discipline in the
church—that organization was essential. System and order are manifest in all
the works of God throughout the universe. Order is the law of heaven, and it
should be the law of God’s people on the earth.”—Testimonies to Ministers and
Gospel Workers, 26 (1902). {LDE 46.2}
Organization Will Always Be Essential
The
Lord has shown me that He has taken the reins into His own hands. True
Reformers are not without organization led by the Holy Spirit.
“Unless
the churches are so organized that they can carry out and enforce order, they
have nothing to hope for in the future.”—Testimonies For The Church 1:270
(1862). {LDE 46.3}
The
new movement was organized but that did not keep the spurious wolves out. As
God has led true reformers in every succeeding generation, He will lead them
now. DA 232.
Ron’s
Commentary: Ellen White said that God will take the reins in His own hands. He
did so with the Jews. Was the church then disorganized. Of course not.
Where
was the ORGANIZATION in 1844 when the first Midnight Cry went out? Who gave it?
Faithful men who came out of apostate churches, WITHOUT ORGANIZATION! The
church was not organized until 1862-3.
“The power which stirred the people so mightily in
the 1844 movement will again be revealed. The third angel's message will go
forth, not in whispered tones, but with a loud voice.”--5T 252 (1885). {LDE
202.1}
“I saw that this message will close with power and
strength far exceeding the midnight cry.”--EW 278 (1858). {LDE 202.2}
And all without one thread of man’s devising she
said.
Like the Day of
Pentecost
“It is with an earnest longing that I look forward
to the time when the events of the Day of Pentecost shall be repeated with even
greater power than on that occasion. John says, "I saw another angel come
down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his
glory" [Rev. 18:1]. Then, as at the Pentecostal season, the people will
hear the truth spoken to them, every man in his own tongue.”--6BC 1055 (1886).
{LDE 202.3}
“In visions of the night, representations passed
before me of a great reformatory movement among God's people. Many were praising God. The sick
were healed, and other miracles were wrought. A spirit of intercession was
seen, even as was manifested before the great Day of Pentecost.”--9T 126
(1909). {LDE 202.4}
Ellen White prophesied a primitive revival in all
churches of the land. This occurs when the faithful in all churches respond to
the Midnight Cry.
“The great work of the gospel is not to close with
less manifestation of the power of God than marked its opening. The prophecies
which were fulfilled in the outpouring of the former rain at the opening of the
gospel, are again to be fulfilled in the latter rain at its close. . . .” {LDE
203.1}
“Servants of God, with their faces lighted up and
shining with holy consecration, will hasten from place to place to proclaim the
message from heaven. By thousands of voices, all over the earth, the warning
will be given. Miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and signs and
wonders will follow the believers.”--GC 611, 612 (1911). {LDE 203.2}
God Will Employ
Agencies That Will Surprise Us
“Let me tell you that the Lord will work in
this last work in a manner very much out of the common order of things, and in
a way that will be contrary
to any human planning. There will be those among us who will always want
to control the work of God, to dictate even what movements shall be made when
the work goes forward under the direction of the angel who joins the third
angel in the message to be given to the world. God will use ways and means by which it will be seen that
He is taking the reins in His own hands. The workers will be surprised
by the simple means that He will use to bring about and perfect His work of
righteousness.--TM 300 (1885). {LDE 203.3}
Do not imagine that it will be possible to lay out
plans for the future. Let God be acknowledged as standing at the helm at all
times and under every circumstance. He will work by means that will be
suitable, and will maintain, increase, and build up His own people.--CW 71 (1895). {LDE 203.4}
“The Comforter is to reveal Himself, not in any specified, precise
way that man may mark out, but in the order of God--in unexpected times and
ways that will honor His own name.”--EGW'88 1478 (1896). {LDE 204.1}
“He
will raise up from among the common people men and women to do His work, even
as of old He called fishermen to be His disciples. There will soon be an
awakening that will surprise many. Those who do not realize the necessity of
what is to be done will be passed by, and the heavenly messengers will work with those who are
called the common people, fitting them to carry the truth to many
places.--15MR 312 (1905). {LDE 204.2}
Laborers Qualified by the Holy Spirit
“In the last
solemn work few great men will be engaged. . . . God will work a work in our day that but few
anticipate. He will raise
up and exalt among us those who are taught rather by the unction of His Spirit
than by the outward training of scientific institutions. These
facilities are not to be despised or condemned; they are ordained of God, but they can furnish only the
exterior qualifications. God will manifest that He is not dependent on learned,
self-important mortals.--5T 80, 82 (1882). {LDE 204.3}
“To souls that are earnestly seeking for light and
that accept with gladness every
ray of divine illumination from His holy Word, to such alone light will be
given. It is through these souls that God will reveal that light and power
which will lighten the whole earth with His glory.”--5T 729 (1889). {LDE
205.1}
“It is
discipline of spirit, cleanness of heart and thought that is needed. This is of more value than brilliant talent, tact, or
knowledge. An ordinary
mind, trained to obey a "Thus saith the Lord," is better qualified
for God's work than are those who have capabilities but do not employ them
rightly.--RH Nov. 27, 1900. {LDE 205.2}
“The
laborers will be qualified rather by the unction of His Spirit than by the
training of literary institutions. Men of faith and prayer will be
constrained to go forth with holy zeal, declaring the words which God gives
them.”--GC 606 (1911). {LDE 205.3}
God Uses Even
the Illiterate
“Those who receive Christ as a personal Saviour
will stand the test and trial of these last days. Strengthened by unquestioning
faith in Christ, even the illiterate disciple will be able to withstand the
doubts and questions that infidelity can produce, and put to blush the
sophistries of scorners.” {LDE 205.4}
“The Lord Jesus will give the disciples a tongue
and wisdom that their adversaries can neither gainsay nor resist. Those who
could not, by reasoning, overcome satanic delusions will bear an affirmative
testimony that will baffle supposedly learned men. Words will come from the lips of the unlearned with such convincing power and wisdom
that conversions will be made to the truth. Thousands will be converted under
their testimony.” {LDE 205.5}
“Why should the illiterate man have this power,
which the learned man has not? The illiterate one, through faith in Christ, has
come into the atmosphere of pure, clear truth, while the learned man has turned away from the truth.
The poor man is Christ's
witness. He cannot appeal to histories or to so-called high science, but he gathers from the Word of
God powerful evidence. The truth that he speaks under
the inspiration of the Spirit is so pure and remarkable and carries with
it a power so indisputable that his testimony cannot be gainsaid.--8MR 187,
188 (1905). {LDE 206.1}
“Oh,
how Satan would rejoice if he could succeed in his efforts to get in among this
people and disorganize the work at a time when thorough organization is
essential and will be the greatest power to keep out spurious uprisings and to refute claims not
endorsed by the Word of God! We want to hold the lines evenly, that
there shall be no breaking down of the system of organization and order that
has been built up by wise, careful labor. License must not be given to
disorderly elements that desire to control the work at this time.” {LDE 47.1}
Satan
came in “AMONG” the church and did exactly what Ellen White speaks of above,
but the True Reformers are falsely accused of the spurious uprisings. The new
movement broke down the system of organization, unity and order by their
apostasy.
Who
caused the disunity since 1955 and the first book of a new order, QUESTIONS ON
DOCTRINE, and later MOVEMENT OF DESTINY? It was the spurious uprising of a new
movement AMONG God’s people. 1SM 204-205. Did organization preclude that new
movement prophesied by Ellen White? No! Did the organization of the Jewish
church prevent its apostasy and destruction in A.D. 70. No!
“Some
have advanced the thought that, as we near the close of time, every child of
God will act independently of any religious organization. But I have been
instructed by the Lord that in this work there is no such thing as every man’s
being independent.” [From manuscript read before the delegates at the General
Conference Session, Washington, D.C., May 30, 1909.]—Testimonies for the Church
9:257, 258 (1909). {LDE 47.2}
God
takes the reins in His own hands and leads the True Reformers in giving the
final Loud Cry to the world. Thus, they are not acting independently of the
religious organization provided by the Holy Spirit.
Yes,
the pure truth on this issue is that God takes the reins in His own hands and
does exactly what He has done in every succeeding generation, Desire of Ages,
232. He uses True Reformers, and on that page Ellen White calls for more to
follow their example. READ THAT PAGE if you want to know what God does in times
of apostasy, and has done in EVERY SUCCEEDING GENERATION.
God
leads the True Reformers, so are they without organization? Were the disciples
without organization when they established Home Churches? Is God the leader in
and of an omega of apostasy new movement that has removed Him by removing
pillar doctrines, notwithstanding their protest that there are no abominations
for which are to sigh and cry.
Ron’s
Commentary:
1.
The 1T 270 statement
(further up) was written in 1862. Organization was very necessary, but let it
be heard from the highest hilltops of the world, that organization, however
useful and necessary over the decades of the church’s existence, DID NOT keep
out the spurious uprising of a new movement since 1955.
2.
The spurious
uprising that formed “AMONG” SDA,s beginning in 1955, is the omega apostasy
that Ellen White said would allow nothing to stand in its way, and would wax
stronger until Jesus comes.
3.
The new movement DID
NOT refute claims not endorsed by the Word of God, eg.
The Trinity Doctrine, the antichrist teaching on the human nature of Christ.
4.
The organization of
God’s first chosen people, the Jewish Temple church, did not prevent its
apostasy and the rejection of the Messiah.
5.
God did NOT say that
any organization would be free from the pitfalls of apostasy. Rather, the
Spirit of Prophecy says that when a
church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their
position may be, HOWEVER HIGH AND SACRED THEIR CALLING, the Lord can no longer
work with them, and that others are then chosen.
6.
The “others” that
God has chosen are true reformers, who are giving the straight testimony. As
long as they teach the pure truth, God is the leader and He is guiding them.
7.
Only Christ’s
PRESENCE can constitute a church: "God
has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church),
neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various
denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where
two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of
them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for
the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone
constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.
8.
The gift of Prophecy
is still operative in God’s True Church, and He is leading His true followers
in paths of pure truth, but the leaders will not acknowledge the current gift
of prophecy any more than the Jews would acknowledge the Messiah among them.
9.
The statement below
proves that God never said that any church would not and could not fall, except
the final church triumphant.
10.
Any hint that Ellen
White ever said the church could not fail, would be contradictory to the
following statement.
11.
Ellen White said that God will CONTINUE TO WORK ON
THIS PRINCIPAL WITH EVERY BRANCH OF HIS WORK. The teachings of the leaders like
Walter Veith, deny this statement: The Upward Look, 131.
12.
The work would eventually
have been forced to HOME CHURCHES, when the Sunday Law makes it impossible for
the church to operate openly. Would it then not be organized by Christ?
13.
Does God need an
apostate church that has placed itself in liaison with Babylon World Council and
National of Churches, and local Ministerial Associations. To give the FINAL
LOUD CRY OF THE THIRD ANGEL?
14.
How can a church
that is so allied even give that message, when the second angel’s message is a
call out of Babylon?
“The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to
serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took
from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this
principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord,
whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord
can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important
responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from
every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all
their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and,
unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.
God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25).” E. G.
White, The
Upward Look,
131.
“As we
near the final crisis, instead of feeling that there is less need of order and
harmony of action, we should be more systematic than heretofore.—Selected
Messages 3:26 (1892). {LDE 47.3}
The Special Authority of God’s Church
The
truth on this issue is that Ellen White clearly states that as we near the end,
God takes the reins in His own hands, and the True Reformers, the bride, finish
the work, as the voice of God and the voice of the bride give the final Loud
Midnight Cry. COL, 405, 406.
God
has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be
justified in disregarding and despising, for in so doing he despises the voice of God.—Testimonies
for the Church 3:417 (1875). {LDE 47.4}
Ron’s
Commentary.
The
DATE that 3 Testimonies for the above quoted section was written was 1875. You
can verify that in the CONTENTS section at the beginning of the book. In 1955,
a new movement, new organization came in “among” the church and removed pillar
doctrines on the Godhead, the human nature of Christ, the Sanctuary and
Atonement and overcoming sin Last Generation Theology.
1.
That new movement
thus DESPISED and still DESPISES GOD.
2.
That new movement IS
NOT the Voice of God. It is the voice of Satan, because it removed God.
3.
Ellen White said
that the General Conference was no longer the voice of God in 1888.
God
has bestowed the highest power under heaven upon His church. It is the voice of
God in His united people in church capacity which is to be
respected.—Testimonies for the Church 3:451 (1875). {LDE 47.5}
A Time of Spiritual Weakness and Blindness
“I
was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through
the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were
upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious
opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the
denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the
churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another
coming out. [This is the only known statement from the pen of Ellen White
indicating that she might have lost confidence in the Seventh-day Adventist
Church organization. The doubt which she expressed here was never repeated
during the remaining twenty-six years of her life.] While we will endeavor to
keep the “unity of the Spirit” in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or
voice cease to protest against bigotry.”—The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials,
356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}
“Of
those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, “But I
say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of
judgment than for you. And
thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art
exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell:
for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it
would have remained until this day.”—The Review and Herald, August 1, 1893.
[The bracketed comments are by Ellen White.] {LDE 48.2}
“The
church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her
midst.”—Notebook Leaflets 1:99 (1898). {LDE 49.1}
Abuse of Power at Church Headquarters
George
R. Knight’s latest book is on the authority wars in the church. It is entitled Adventist Authority Wars. Away back in
the Sabbath School Lessons Quarterly for January, February, March, 1987, p. 92,
the leaders stated:
“It
is our responsibility to study the Scriptures for ourselves, to ask for the
guidance of the Holy Spirit, to submit our understandings to those in the
church WHO ARE ABLE TO JUDGE OUR FINDINGS, AND THEN TO ABIDE BY THE DECISIONS
OF THE CHURCH IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE UNITY OF THE CHURH.”
In
Ellen White’s day, she called that KINGLY POWER.
“The
General Conference is itself becoming corrupted with wrong sentiments and
principles....” {LDE 49.2}
“Men
have taken unfair advantage of those whom they supposed to be under their
jurisdiction. They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they would rule or ruin....”
{LDE 49.3}
“The
high-handed power that has been developed, as though position has made men
gods, makes me afraid, and ought to cause fear. It is a curse wherever and by
whomsoever it is exercised.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers,
359-361 (1895). {LDE 49.4}
“There
are altogether too many weighty responsibilities given to a few men, and some
do not make God their Counselor. What do these men know of the necessities of
the work in foreign countries? How can they know how to decide the questions
which come to them asking for information? It would require three months for
those in foreign countries to receive a response to their questions, even if
there was no delay in writing.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers,
321 (1896). {LDE 49.5}
“Those
living in distant countries will not do that which their judgment tells them is
right unless they first send for permission to Battle Creek. Before they will
advance they await Yes or No from that place.”—Special Testimonies, Series A
9:32 (1896). {LDE 49.6}
“It is not wise to choose one man
as president of the General Conference. The work of the General
Conference has extended, and some things have been made unnecessarily
complicated. A want of discernment has been shown. There should be a division
of the field, or some other plan should be devised to change the present order
of things.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 342 (1896).
[The Seventh-day Adventist Church was
organized in 1863 with 3,500 members, half a dozen local conferences, about
thirty ministerial laborers, and a General Conference Committee of three. The
General Conference president was well able to provide the leadership and
counsel required by such a small organization. He could personally attend every
important meeting and in addition give personal attention to much of the
business connected with the publishing work. However, by 1896 the work of the
church had greatly expanded in the United States, and extended to Europe,
Australia, and Africa as well. It was no longer possible for one man to give
adequate supervision and direction to such a widespreading
work. Ellen White urged a division of the field, so that our church members
around the world would not look to just one man for counsel. This was
accomplished by the creation of union conferences and world divisions.”] {LDE
50.1}
Unwise Leaders Do Not Speak for God
“The
voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how
the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.”—Manuscript Releases
17:185 (1896). {LDE 50.2}
“It
has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice
of God.”—Manuscript Releases 17:216 (1898). {LDE 50.3}
“That
these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the
people, as we once believed the General Conference to be—that is past.”—The
General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p. 25. {LDE 50.4}
What
would Ellen White say today now that the GC has removed God and is teaching
antichrist heresies?
A New Denomination Not Needed
It is
true that no new denomination is needed, just the heeding of the foundation
laid by SDA pioneers. That is all True Reformers are doing. They are not
calling for a new denomination. But new movement leaders, having removed God,
have formed a new denomination—the Synagogue of Satan, for “God being removed,”
there is only one other master. The church changed captains.
Note by Ron:
QUESTIONS:
1.
IS A NEW MOVEMENT,
NEW ORGANIZATION THAT REMOVED GOD, NEEDED? 1SM 204-205.
2.
Is a NEW MOVEMENT,
NEW ORGANIZATION that removed God and pillar doctrines, any consolation to not
having a NEW DENOMINATION?
You
will take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of
the shaking among God’s
people, and you will talk of a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people that will arise.
Now all this pleases the enemy.... Should many accept the views you advance,
and talk and act upon them, we would see one of the greatest fanatical
excitements that has ever been witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is
what Satan wants.—Selected Messages 1:179 (1890). {LDE 51.1}
Ron’s
Commentary: The above statement was written in 1890: Ellen White said to always
consider TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE.
CONSIDERATIONS:
1.
Ellen White said that
each of the ancient prophets wrote more for us than the Jews.
2.
Does the Bible give
the state of ALL FORMALLY ORGANIZED CHURCHES at the end-time? Yes, it does.
Isaiah 4:1-4. In these verses,
3.
All is to be weighed
by the Bible as our guide. The question is: Does the Bible say there will be
another coming out of SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM? Yes it does. Isaiah 37:31, 32.
4.
Anyone who takes
Walter Veith’s advice to super glue themselves to a
pew at the new movement, that has removed God, will be destroyed in the next
literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.
5.
The great TYPE,
PREFIGURE TYPOLOGY
that Veith should be teaching, is found in The
Great Controversy, Chapter 1, and page 25, where Ellen White calls that
chapter a PREFIGURE of the terrors of the last great day.
6.
The above mentioned
PREFIGURE TYPOLOGY, began with the earthly ministry of Jesus in A.D. 27, at
which time He gathered out those who would carry the gospel to the world. In DA
232, Ellen White says that True Reformers have withdrawn from the church of
their fathers in EVERY SUCCEEDING GENERATION. She calls for more REFORMERS OF
THAT LIKE SPIRIT. Walter Veith calls them bleating sheep.
7.
God calls them His
bride, Zion (Sion), true Reformer representatives of the church in Heaven, Heb.
12:22, 23.
REFERENCES
FOR QUOTES REFERRED TO:
Prophets
Wrote for Their Own and Our Day.—“The last books of the Old
Testament show us workers taken from the laborers in the field. Others were men
of high ability and extensive learning, but the Lord gave them visions and
messages. These men of the Old Testament spoke of things transpiring in their
day, and Daniel, Isaiah, and Ezekiel not only spoke of things that concerned
them as present truth, but their sights reached down to the future, and to what
should occur in these last days.”--Letter 132, 1898. {3SM 419.5, 420}
The following statement was
FULLY TRUE AND APPLICABLE according to TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE in 1893.
Leaders have misrepresented the following statements since the death of Ellen
G. White, in an effort to try to convince the laity to remain faithful to an
apostate new movement NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.
“The
Lord has not given you a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists Babylon,
and to call the people of God to come out of her. All the reasons you may
present cannot have weight with me on this subject, because the Lord has given
me decided light that is opposed to such a message....”{LDE 51.2}
LDE
does not give the following statement. However, we should never refer to the
new movement as Babylon. It is fallen spiritual Jerusalem, so that Isaiah
37:31, 32 applies. Ezekiel 9 BEGINS at spiritual Jerusalem, not Babylon.
Judgment begins at the House of God, the House of Jacob.
“I
know that the Lord loves His
church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent
atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least
evidence that such a thing will be.—Selected Messages 2:63, 68, 69 (1893). {LDE
51.3}
God’s
church is not broken up into independent atoms. He is the head of His church,
and it is united on the Spirit of Prophecy, and that is the purpose of that
gift to the church—unity!
God
has entrusted the message to His True Reformer Bride, and the work is NOT
disorganized, FOR GOD IS HOLDING THE REINS IN HIS OWN HANDS.
“I
tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will
work.... When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God’s commandment-keeping people,
when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce
judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him. He is on
the wrong track.”—Selected Messages 3:17, 18 (1893). {LDE 51.4}
The
end-time organized body is the bride, the True Reformers. I have proven times
over that it is they who give the final Loud Cry to the world, under the
empowerment of the Holy Spriit.
A
new movement with the brazen blasphemous act of removing God, is NOT His
commandment-KEEPING people.
When
weighing the church according to Isaiah 8:20 and the SOP’s counsel, we are not
weighing according to our own human scales, but God’s appointed scales, as the
True Reformers did in every succeeding generation. We must be sure we recognize
GOD’S COMMANDMENT-KEEPING PEOPLE who are not breaking them and the three
angel’s messages by REMOVING GOD and PILLAR DOCTRINES, especially the pillar
doctrine on the Godhead.
God Will Set Everything in Order
“There is no need to doubt, to be
fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He
will set everything in order. If matters
need adjusting at the head of the work God will attend to that, and work to
right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship
which bears the people of God safely into port.”—Selected Messages 2:390
(1892). {LDE 52.1}
The
ship that bears God’s people safely into port IS NOT a new movement that has
removed God, and thus has chosen Satan as its Captain. When the Jewish church
apostatized, God gave the work to OTHERS, THE DISCIPLES, WHO ARE CALLED THE
BRIDE, Desire of Ages, 179.
Read
The Great Controversy, Chapter 1, so see how God set everything in order in the
last TYPOLOGY of Ezekiel 9.
“Has
God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the
church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective “members, that there
are tares amid the wheat.... Although there are evils existing in the church,
and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be
the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church, enfeebled and
defective, needing to be reproved, warned, and counseled, is the only object
upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard.—Testimonies to
Ministers and Gospel Workers, 45, 49 (1893). {LDE 52.2}
Enfeebled
and defective DOES NOT include removing God and teaching antichrist doctrines.
The True Reformers are now God’s living church of which He is the captain and
guide.
When
the new movement formed in 1955, God began transferring His work to the True
Reformers who are militating for truth. Defective members IS NOT TO INCLUDE
OPEN SINNING APOSTATES, for Ellen White said that open sinners are to be
removed from the church, but when those open, non-repentant sinners are the
LEADERS, who will allow NOTHING TO STAND IN THEIR WAY, we have to follow the
course of the True Reformers of every succeeding generation, DA 232.
“The
bulwarks of Satan will never triumph. Victory will attend the third angel’s
message. As the Captain of the Lord’s host tore down the walls of Jericho, so
will the Lord’s
commandment-keeping people triumph, and all
opposing elements be defeated.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers,
410 (1898). {LDE 52.3}
Distribution of Responsibility Urged
Ellen
White urged a reorganization with a committee of 25 men WITH NO PRESIDENT KING,
in 1903. That never was implemented.
“What
we want now is a reorganization. We want to begin at the foundation, and to
build upon a different principle.... {LDE 53.1}
“Here
are men who are standing at the head of our various institutions, of the
educational interests, and of the conferences in different localities and in
different States. All these are to stand as representative men, to have a voice
in molding and fashioning the plans that shall be carried out. There are to be
more than one or two or three men to consider the whole vast field. The work is
great, and there is no one human mind that can plan for the work which needs to
be done....” LDE 53.2}
Ellen
White says that the final work will have not ONE THREAD of man’s devising. God
empowers and leads it to victory.
“Now
I want to say, God has not put any kingly power in our ranks to control this or that branch of the
work. The work has been greatly restricted by the efforts to control it in
every line.... There must be a renovation, a reorganization; a power and
strength must be brought into the committees that are necessary.” [From Ellen
White’s opening address on April 2, 1901, to the General Conference Session in
Battle Creek.]—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, pp. 25, 26. {LDE
53.3}
The 1901 General Conference Session Responds
“Who
do you suppose has been among us since this Conference began? Who has kept away
the objectionable features that generally appear in such a meeting? Who has
walked up and down the aisles of this Tabernacle? The God of heaven and His
angels. And they did not come here to tear you in pieces, but to give you right
and peaceable minds. They have been among us to work the works of God, to keep
back the powers of darkness, that the work God designed should be done should
not be hindered. The angels of God have been working among us....” {LDE 54.1}
“I
was never more astonished in my life than at the turn things have taken at this
meeting. This is not our work. God has brought it about. Instruction regarding
this was presented to me, but until the sum was worked out at this meeting I
could not comprehend this instruction. God’s angels have been walking up and
down in this congregation. I want every one of you to remember this, and I want
you to remember also that God has said that He will heal the wounds of His people.”—The General
Conference Bulletin, April 25, 1901, pp. 463, 464. {LDE 54.2}
“During
the General Conference the Lord wrought mightily for His people. Every time I
think of that meeting, a sweet solemnity comes over me, and sends a glow of
gratitude to my soul. We have seen the stately steppings
of the Lord our Redeemer. We praise His holy name, for He has brought
deliverance to His people.—The Review and Herald, November 26, 1901. {LDE 54.3}
But
what Ellen White said should be in 1901, was not obeyed in 1903. A KING
PRESIDENT was once again elected.
“It
has been a necessity to organize union conferences, that the General Conference
shall not exercise dictation over all the separate conferences. The power
vested in the Conference is not to be centered in one man, or two men, or six
men; there is to be a council of men over the separate divisions.—Manuscript
26, 1903 (April 3). [For further information regarding organizational changes
made at the 1901 General Conference Session see the Seventh-day Adventist
Encyclopedia (Vol. 10 of the Commentary Reference Series), Revised Edition, pp.
1050-1053.] {LDE 55.1}
Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed
“We cannot now step off the foundation
that God has established. We cannot now
enter into any new
organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.”—Selected
Messages 2:390 (1905). {LDE 55.2}
That
wrong new organization formed from 1955 and on, and removed God by removing
pillar doctrines, and substituting the Trinity Doctrine.
“I am
instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us
as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His
church on earth shall
stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the
end of time.”—Selected Messages 2:397 (1908). {LDE 55.3}
Ron’s
Comment: The only church that is perfectly united is the True Reformers who
take every word of the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy, and interpret so that
nothing contradicts. Ellen White CANNOT be speaking of the new movement
“church” for that new movement IS NOT PERFECTLY UNITED. If Ellen White was
referring to the new movement, she would have been a FALSE PROPHET, for that
new movement is FAR FROM BEING PERFECTLY UNITED, and she prophesied the
apostasy would WAX STRONGER UNTIL JESUS COMES, so how could we be perfectly
united with an omega of apostasy “church.”
Walter
Veith says he believes the church will come into unity as we near the end. Is
that according to the following SOP prophesy? Does he meet the test of Isaiah
8:20 on this and many other points we have evaluated in this vision?
Wax
stronger "One
thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is
developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven
with a shout.
We are to hold fast
the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to
increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by
the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the
present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering
faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of
the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of
the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth,
when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and
doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G.
White, Special
Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).
"The
enemy will set everything in operation to uproot the confidence of the
believers in the pillars of our faith in the messages of the past, which have placed us upon the elevated platform of
eternal truth, and which have established and given character to the work. The
Lord God of Israel has led out His people, unfolding to them truth of heavenly
origin." "The truth for this time is precious, but those whose hearts
have not been broken by falling on the Rock Christ Jesus, will not see and
understand what is truth. They will accept that which pleases their ideas, and will begin to manufacture
another foundation than that which is laid. They will flatter their own vanity and esteem, thinking that
they are capable of removing the pillars of our faith, and replacing them with
pillars they have devised. This will continue to be as long as time
shall last." Notebook, Leaflets, pp. 61-62.
What is the Church Doing When
its Danger is Greatest—The Time of the Sunday Law?
Wax
stronger "One
thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is
developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven
with a shout.
We are to hold fast
the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to
increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by
the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the
present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering
faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of
the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of
the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth,
when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and
doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G.
White, Special
Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).
"The
enemy will set everything in operation to uproot the confidence of the
believers in the pillars of our faith in the messages of the past, which have placed us upon the elevated platform of
eternal truth, and which have established and given character to the work. The
Lord God of Israel has led out His people, unfolding to them truth of heavenly
origin." "The truth for this time is precious, but those whose hearts
have not been broken by falling on the Rock Christ Jesus, will not see and
understand what is truth. They will accept that which pleases their ideas, and will begin to manufacture
another foundation than that which is laid. They will flatter their own vanity and esteem, thinking that
they are capable of removing the pillars of our faith, and replacing them with
pillars they have devised. This will continue to be as long as time
shall last." Notebook, Leaflets, pp. 61-62.
"The
leaven of godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the
church are greatest, [the Sunday Law] the little company who are
standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are
done in the land. But more especially will their prayers arise in behalf of the
church because its members are doing after the manner of the world. (Ellen G.
White, “The Seal of God,” Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, page 209.
What Will the New Movement be
Doing Just Before the Close of Probation?
Walter
Veith told his hearers not to listen to what is going on in the church! Why?
Because his hearers would not take his advice and super glue themselves to a
pew at the new movement if
they knew THE REST OF THE STORY HE REFUSES TO TELL.
"The things you have described as taking place
in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be
demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing.
The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be
trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy
Spirit.
The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such
methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up
his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating,
ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of
God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which
last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time
needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise
shocks the senses and pervert that which if conducted aright might be a
blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have
a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirits working." Selected Messages, Book 2, p. 36.
“At
times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the
work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise
plans to restrict God’s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the
voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of
God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed
of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the
field should not be respected.” {LDE 55.4}
Are we
required to respect a new movement that has removed God, and that we are
instructed to REPUDIATE?
God
has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the
earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error
that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of
one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and
influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and voice of the
General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His
work.—Testimonies for the Church 9:260, 261 (1909). {LDE 56.1}
TAKING
TIME, PLACE AND CIRRCUMSTANCE into consideration, should a new movement that
has removed God be given authority?
“God
has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be
justified in disregarding and despising, for he who does this despises the
voice of God.—The Acts of the Apostles, 164 (1911). {LDE 56.2}
Since
the new movement has committed omega heresy and antichrist apostasy, is that
what God invests with special authority? Did God invest the apostate Jewish
Temple with special authority, or did He choose OTHERS, and has He done the
same thing NOW?
“I
am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding His people and that He
will continue to be with them, even to the end.—Selected Messages 2:406 (1913).
[From Ellen White’s final message to the Seventh-day Adventist Church in
General Conference Session.” These reassuring words were read to the session by
the General Conference president, A. G. Daniells, on May 27, 1913.] {LDE 56.3}
We
do NOT question that God will guide HIS PEOPLE to the end. But the apostate new movement will be
“guided” into a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and
little children.
A
Statement by W. C. White
I
told her [Mrs. Lida Scott] how Mother regarded the
experience of the remnant church, and of her positive teaching that God would
not permit this denomination to so fully apostatize that there would be the
coming out of another church.—W. C. White to E. E. Andross,
May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File. {LDE 56.4}
The
above is “HEARSAY,” and totally contradicts Isaiah 37:31, 32, and the PREFIGURE
of Chapter 1, Great Controversy, p. 25. Look for the word PREFIGURE. If Willie
White is correct, Ellen White would be a false prophet in saying that Ezekiel 9
will be literally be fulfilled BEGINNING AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, THE
HOUSE OF JACOB, 5T 211.
She
would be a false prophet by having said what she said God’s people would be
doing AFTER THE MANNER OF
THE WORLD, at the time when the danger to the church is greatest. The
same thing applies to her statement about what will be going on at SDA
CAMPMEETINGS “just before the close of probation.”
She
would be a false prophet by her prophecy that the church will “REFUSE THE
CONDITIONS SO THAT HIS PROMISES WERE NOT FULFILLED TO THEM”
Spiritual Revival Still Needed
TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE are crucial here. There can be no spiritual revival after
the church has committed unpardonable sin by “removing God,” and pillar
doctrines, and in light of the following statement which implies unpardonable
sin, because we are instructed by God not to pray for such a church.
COUNTERPART:
"The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this
people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither
make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes
the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets
prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so
and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the
greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even
unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of
the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no
peace.' The apostles
declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days.
Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof.
They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They
say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity
are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these
self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I
also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them."
E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.
· Who is Ellen White speaking to
when she speaks of “this people” and my people love to have it so?
· Who is Ellen White speaking of
when in 5T 211, she says that the dumb-dog watchmen preach peace and safety and
will NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob its sins?
· Who is she speaking of when
she says they say in their hearts: “The church is flourishing. Peace and
spiritual prosperity are within her borders?”
· Who is she speaking of when
she says: “their soul delighteth in their abominations,” in light of the fact
that the church leaders will not admit to any abominations being in the
church—the church is not in apostasy they say.
· Is she referring to men like
Veith and Henriques who won’t teach coreporate
responsibility for the apostasy? Is that a peace and safety message?
“One
day at noon I was writing of the work that might have been done at the last
[1901] General Conference if the men in positions of trust had followed the
will and way of God. Those who have had great light have not walked in the
light. The meeting was
closed, and the break was not made. Men did not humble themselves before the
Lord as they should have done, and the Holy Spirit was not imparted.
{LDE 57.1}
I
had written thus far when I lost consciousness, and I seemed to be witnessing a
scene in Battle Creek.” {LDE 57.2}\
“We
were assembled in the auditorium of the Tabernacle. Prayer was offered, a hymn
was sung, and prayer was again offered. Most earnest supplication was made to
God. The meeting was marked by the presence of the Holy Spirit.... {LDE 57.3}
No
one seemed to be too proud to make heartfelt confession, and those who led in
this work were the ones who had influence, but had not before had courage to
confess their sins.” {LDE 57.4}
The
meeting in 1901 had the presence of God, because Ellen White was there, but
they did not act on the report of the minority committee of which she was a
MEMBER!
“There
was rejoicing such as never before had been heard in the Tabernacle.” {LDE
57.5}
They
rejoiced and went ahead and elected a KING at the next conference in 1903!
Daniels! But the leaders don’t tell you that in their “cherry picking of
favorable EGW statements!
“Then
I aroused from my unconsciousness, and for a while could not think where I was.
My pen was still in my hand. The words were spoken to me: “This might have
been. All this the Lord was waiting to do for His people. All heaven was
waiting to be gracious.” I thought of where we might have been had thorough
work been done at the last General Conference.”—Testimonies for the Church
8:104-106 (January 5, 1903). {LDE 57.6}
“I
have been deeply impressed by scenes that have recently passed before me in the
night season. There seemed to be a great movement—a work of revival—going
forward in many places. Our people were moving into line, responding to God’s
call.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 515 (1913). [From Ellen
White’s first message to the General Conference Session of 1913.] {LDE 58.1}
Many
Adventists will respond to the final Midnight Cry Call. Ellen White says that
there will be a primitive revival in all churches. But that does not change the
fate of the corporate new movement that waxes stronger in apostasy until Jesus
comes and experiences another literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, and this is WHY
NONE OF THE LEADERS, INCLUDING WALTER VEITH AND ANDREW HENRIQUES DO NOT TEACH
HER STATEMENT ON EZEKIEL 9 BEGINNING AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, FOR THAT
STATEMENT TOTALLY CONTRADICTS MANY OF THE ABOVE FAVORABLE STATEMENTS AND GOD’S
TEACHING ON EZEKIEL 9 IN THE BIBLE. Will Ezekiel 9 be re-written? If and when
the church repents to the world for the following abominations, and begins to
teach the truth on these apostasies, we should return to the church, but NOT
UNTIL:
1.
An antichrist view
on the human nature of Christ.
2.
An antichrist view
on the Godhead.
3.
Ecumenical liaison
with Babylon.
4.
Not sighing and crying
for all the abominations.
5.
Never AGAIN showing
the House of Jacob its sins. How do you get a revival without that?
6.
Not admitting to any
apostasy by the church leaders.
7.
Making homosexuals
leaders. This is just some of the worst of the abominations.
The
Patience of God With His People
“The
church has failed, sadly failed, to meet the expectations of her Redeemer, and
yet the Lord does not withdraw Himself from His people. He bears with them
still, not because of any goodness found in them, but that His name may not be
dishonored before the enemies of truth and righteousness, that the satanic
agencies may not triumph in the destruction of God’s people. He has borne long
with their waywardness, unbelief and folly. With wonderful forbearance and
compassion He has disciplined them. If they will heed His instruction He will cleanse away their perverse
tendencies, saving them with an everlasting salvation and making them eternal
monuments of the power of His grace.—The Signs of the Times, November
13, 1901. {LDE 58.2}
The
new movement statement says: “GOD BEING REMOVED…”
Serious Consideration involving Time, Place
and Circumstance and the above statement:
I
have explained many times how the church committed unpardonable sin per
Jeremiah 11:9-15. When God says to no longer pray for a people, that connotes
UNPARDONABLE SIN. Her COUNTERPART statement prophesies UNPARDONABLE SIN, as
does Isaiah 8:9-12, because the church imbibed liaison with Babylon’s
ASSOCIATIONS—its MINISTERIAL ASSOCIATIONS, which many SDA pastors have
officiated as Presidents of. That is the case in my locality here in Alberta,
Canada. It could well be the case in your locality, because I was shown that
Satan holds out that “carrot” to SDA pastors, and that it flatters them.
COUNTERPART:
"The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this
people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither
make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes
the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets
prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so
and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the
greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even
unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of
the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no
peace.' The apostles
declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days.
Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof.
They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They
say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity
are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these
self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I
also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them."
E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.
The
PREFIGURE of Ezekiel 9 won’t be re-written.
We
should remember that the church, enfeebled and defective though it be, is the
only object on earth on which Christ bestows His supreme regard. He is
constantly watching it with solicitude, and is strengthening it by His Holy
Spirit.—Selected Messages 2:396 (1902). {LDE 58.3}
Enfeebled
and defective DOES NOT INCLUDE OPEN SIN APOSTASY, for Ellen White said OPEN
SINNERS should be separated from the church.
"Christ has plainly taught that those who
persist in open sin must be separated from the church..." E. G.
White, Christ's Object Lessons, 71.
"The
names of those who sin and refuse to repent should not be retained on the
church books, lest the saints be held accountable for their evil deeds.
Those who pursue a course of transgression should be visited and labored with, and
if they then refuse to repent, they should be separated from church fellowship,
in accordance with the rules laid down in the Word of God." {11MR
208.3}
God
Works With Those Who Are
Faithful to Him
“The
Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people
rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of God and
gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with
every branch of His work. {LDE 59.1}
When a church proves unfaithful to the word
of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their
calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear
important responsibilities. But, if these in
turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish
pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously
afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their
place and make them a reproach.—Manuscript Releases 14:102 (1903). {LDE 59.2}
Judged by the Light Bestowed
“In the balances of the sanctuary the
Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the
privileges and advantages that she has had.
If her spiritual experience does not correspond to the advantages that Christ,
at infinite cost, has bestowed on her, if the blessings conferred have not
qualified her to do the work entrusted to her, on her will be pronounced the
sentence: “Found wanting.” By the light bestowed, the opportunities given, will
she be judged....” {LDE 59.3}
“Solemn
admonitions of warning, manifest in the destruction of dearly cherished
facilities [The Battle Creek Sanitarium, the largest and best-known Adventist
institution in the world, burned to the ground February 18, 1902. this was
followed by the destruction of the Review and Herald Publishing Association,
also by fire, on December 30, 1902.] for service, say to us: “Remember
therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works”
(Revelation 2:5).... {LDE 60.1}
“Unless
the church, which is now being leavened with her own backsliding, shall repent
and be converted, she will eat of the fruit of her own doing, until she shall
abhor herself. When she resists the evil and chooses the good, when she seeks
God with all humility and reaches her high calling in Christ, standing on the
platform of eternal truth and by faith laying hold upon the attainments
prepared for her, she will be healed. She will appear in her God-given
simplicity and purity, separate from earthly entanglements, showing that the
truth has made her free indeed. Then her members will indeed be the chosen of
God, His representatives.”—Testimonies for the Church 8:247-251 (April 21,
1903). {LDE 60.2}
The
above statement was written in 1903, at which time Ellen White said that the
church was refreshing from the Holy Spirit, and it had not yet committed
unpardonable sin. But on page 250 of 8T, she calls the church a harlot. So
apparently, the refreshing didn’t last for long.
Israel’s History a Warning to Us
“In these last days God’s people will
be exposed to the very same dangers as were ancient Israel. Those who will not receive the warnings that God gives
will fall into the same perils as did ancient Israel and come short of entering
into rest through unbelief.
Ancient Israel suffered calamities on account of their unsanctified hearts and
unsubmitted wills. Their final rejection as a nation was a result of their own
unbelief, self-confidence, impenitence, blindness of mind, and hardness of
heart. In their history we have a danger signal lifted before us.” {LDE 60.3}
Ron’s
Commentary: Walter Veith has shown a marked UNBELIEF as to the truth of the
Godhead, the Nature of Christ, and our many duties other than the three angel’s
messages, like sighing and crying aloud for all the abominations, which if
done, would cost him his ministerial credentials.
“Take
heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in
departing from the living God.... For we are made partakers of Christ, if we
hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end” (Hebrews 3:12,
14).—Letter 30, 1895. {LDE 61.1}
The
Church Militant Is Imperfect
The
church militant is not the church triumphant, and earth is not heaven. The
church is composed of erring,
imperfect men and women, who are but learners in the school of Christ,
to be trained, disciplined, educated, for this life and for the future,
immortal life.—The Signs of the Times, January 4, 1883. {LDE 61.2}
Ellen
White said open sinners are to be separated from the church if they wont
reform. Erring and imperfect should not be conflated with OPEN SIN ANTICHRIST
APOSTASY.
The
church militant will not teach apostate error, for it militates for the truth.
If a church militant can be antichrist apostate, then we all should return to
Babylon! Jesus and His followers never should have separated!
"Christ was a
protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out
and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and
his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as
presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
Paul left
"And as they
persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the
synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and
persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were
hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he
departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school
of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.
"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by
continued association with these opposers of the truth,
Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct
body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.
Leave them "If God
has any new light to communicate, He will let His chosen and beloved understand
it, without their going to have their minds enlightened by hearing those who
are in darkness and error. {EW 124.2}
“I was shown the
necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are
daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should
attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach
error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the
commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered
us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith
He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we
go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to
those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the
will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we
are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and
the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with
the darkness. {EW 124.3}
I saw that we have no
time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus
diverted, but should be occupied with the present truth,..." EW p. 125.
Antichrist fables are
being taught at every new movement church, because all are corporately
responsible for the apostasy of the church. Walter Veith tell us you not to
listened to the bleating sheep, the Reformers, but he adamantly instructs you
to super glue yourself to a pew at the new movement that teaches antichrist
apostasy.
"Even though you may
not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave
them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with
those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to
associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a
Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing
of Him who is invisible. But
a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their
devices makes you one with them Come out from among them and be separate, saith
the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be
a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord
Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.
Scripture on
Home Churches
Act 16:32 And they spake
unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Act 16:34 And when he had
brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing
in God with all his house.
Act 16:40 And they went
out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had
seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.
Act 18:7 And he departed
thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that
worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet]
the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the
firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
1Cr 1:11 For it hath been
declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of
Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren,
(ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and
[that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)
1Cr 16:19 The churches of
Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the
church that is in their house.
Ellen White on Home
Churches
When the young men and
women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church, what did they do
and where did they meet for worship?
Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha of
Apostasy:
"There is a little
hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they
will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low
grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what
it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995,
p. 5.
"The church is
in the Laodicean condition. The presence of God is not in her
midst." Notebook Leaflets, p.99.
"The state of the Church represented by the
foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E.G. White, Review and Herald,
8/19/1890.
"The church is in
the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.--NL 99 (1898). Latter
Day Events, p. 49.
"To the end of time,
the presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.
1. “I was shown that those who are trying to obey God and purifying their souls
through obedience to the truth are God’s chosen people, His modern Israel”. 2T-109.
2. “There is no other church than the assembly of those who have
the word of God, and who are purified by it. Adventists, seeing that the churches rejected the testimony of God’s
word, could no longer regard them as constituting the church of Christ.” 4 SP-237.
3. “God has a church. It is not the great cathedrals, neither is it
the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is
the people who love God and keep His commandments. ‘Where two or three are gathered together in My name,
there am I in the midst of them’. Matthew
18:20. Where Christ is even
among the humble few, this is Christ’s church, for the presence of the High and
Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.”
Upward Look, 315.
Who and What is The Church? The Church is, “those who
are trying to obey God and purifying their souls through obedience to the
truth”, “those who have the word of God, and who are purified by
it”, “the people who love God and
keep His commandments.”
"The enemy of souls
has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take
place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in
giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging
in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would
result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant
church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental
principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be
accounted as error. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be established. Books of a NEW
ORDER would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be
introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a
wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the
God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the NEW
MOVEMENT. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but GOD
BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without
God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and
tempest would sweep away the structure.
Who has authority to
begin such a [NEW] movement? We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested
to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of
no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with
this truth? E.G. White, Selected Messages,
Vol. 1, 204, 205.
“Some
people seem to think that upon entering the church they will have their
expectations fulfilled, and meet only with those who are pure and perfect. They
are zealous in their faith, and when they see faults in church members, they say, “We left the
world in order to have no association with evil characters, but the evil is
here also;” and they ask, as did the servants in the parable, “From whence then
hath it tares?” But we
need not be thus disappointed, for the Lord has not warranted us in coming to
the conclusion that the church is perfect; and all our zeal will not be
successful in making the church militant as pure as the church
triumphant.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 47 (1893). {LDE 61.3}
There
is a vast difference from the church being imperfect and defective and being in
omega, antichrist apostasy. Ellen White said open sin (evil) should be removed
if the perpetrators refuse to reform. She also said that it is IMPOSSIBLE to
unite with the corrupt and remain/become pure and ripened wheat.
"It is IMPOSSIBLE
for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II
Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have
men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G.
White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4,
p. 137.
Thorns are mere insincere
believers (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 70-72. Thorns choke out and kill the
wheat. Thorns are open sinners.
"Thorns sprung
up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In
the same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23)
from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of
being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and
eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral
transformation. To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion,
and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the
process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and
tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol.
5, 405.
The wheat can mature
amongst tares [insincere believers whose motives we would have to judge in
order to remove them], but the wheat cannot mature amongst thorns, open,
apostate sinners, because they choke out and kill the wheat. This is why true
reformers have separated from open sin apostate churches in every succeeding
generation, Desire
of Ages, 232. On that page, note that the only reason for
separation of the true reformers given is that the ecclesiastical leaders would
not tolerate light--truth.
The
Church Triumphant Will Be Faithful and Christlike
The
work is soon to close. The members of the church militant who have proved
faithful will become the church triumphant.—Evangelism, 707 (1892). {LDE 62.1}
There
is always an earthly representative of the church in heaven, and they are
called True Reformers in every successive generation. DA 232.
"The members of the church
triumphant--the church in heaven--will be permitted to draw near to the members
of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity." E. G. White, The
Southern Watchman, Sep. 8, 1903.
True Reformers are Registered/Written Members of the Church
in Heaven Where They Now Enter by Faith (EW 451-455.
"Characteristics
of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be
reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who
avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are
earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old
waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The
restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in
heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many
generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151, & Review
and Herald, Oct. 13, 1891. Also see DA 232.
Walter
Veith says none are any better than all others. Is that true by the above
statement and members of the church triumphant being permitted to draw near to
the members of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity. There is
always a faithful church triumphant on
earth. Is it BY GOD’S GRACE no better than anyone else?
Read
about the True Reformers in every succeeding generation, DA 232, and faithful
men in every age constituting the church, Acts of the Apostles, pp. 11, 12.
The life
of Christ was a life charged with a divine message of the love of God, and He
longed intensely to impart this love to others in rich measure. Compassion
beamed from His countenance, and His conduct was characterized by grace,
humility, truth, and love. Every member of His church militant must manifest
the same qualities, if he would join the church triumphant.—Fundamentals of
Christian Education, 179 (1891). {LDE 62.2}
“The old standard bearers knew
what it was to wrestle with God in prayer, and to enjoy the outpouring of His
Spirit. But these are passing off from the stage of action; and who are coming
up to fill their places? How is it with the rising generation? Are they
converted to God? Are we awake to the work that is going on in the heavenly sanctuary,
or are we waiting for some compelling power to come upon the church before we
shall arouse? Are we
hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come.” {1SM
122.1}
Conclusions
·
Walter Veith speaks
against MARGINALIZING the Spirit of Prophecy and relegating things to 19th
century thinking, but he continually avoids the application of the PREFIGURE
(GC p. 25) of Ezekiel 9 (5T 211) TYPOLOGY in preference to ancient early B.C.
typologies, after the manner of Jesuit preterists.
·
The latest most UP
TO DATE TYPOLOGY in the Bible is the PREFIGURE ministry and example of Jesus
Christ and His faithful followers. All who reject that example out of a motive
of faith and love for Christ, will experience another literal fulfillment of
Ezekiel 9.
·
Chapter One of The Great Controversy, is the TYPOLOGY
(PREFIGURE, p. 25) Veith and Andrew Henriques, and every SDA true minister
should be teaching. Ancient (Jesuit perterist)
applications of typologies in the early experience of the Hebrews do not
parallel the time and place of God’s modern-day Israel and their probationary
time. Because they have the example of the Jews, they are not given the same
time period of probation, so the ancient typologies do not apply as perfectly
as the typology of Jesus and His followers beginning in A.D. 27 and ending in
A.D. 70, in the destruction of His first “chosen” “remnant” people.
·
Walter Veith refers
to the new movement as God’s bride. That is a total misnomer and
misrepresentation.
·
The True Reformers
have been the bride of Christ in every succeeding generation, DA 232. But these
Walter Veith refers to as bleating sheep and tells the people not to listen to
the bleating sheep.
·
We are to act on
truth as soon as we learn it, otherwise Ellen White says we will not receive
additional light.
In the Name of the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
R. William Beaulieu