My Vision on Walter Veith’s View of the Church’s Mission:

Faithful Watchman or Dumb Dogs That Will NEVER

AGAIN Bark? 5T 211 and Isa. 56:10-12

Isa 56:10   His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. 

Isa 56:11   Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. 

Isa 56:12   Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. 

“In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.” [Testimonies for the Church 4:147, 148 (1876).] {5T 661.1}

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On Sabbath, January 19, 2019, I was given a vision on the three angel’s messages, and all that they entail, versus what Walter Veith limits the three angels’ messages to. This was a most important and interesting Revelation which I believe any who read this will greatly profit from. Ellen White said that not all our ministers really understand what constitutes the three angel’s message.

"The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers [the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and then the World Council of Churches, in 1948] began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform [Ecumenical] movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message [the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this time." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 714, 715.

Walter Veith says near the end of his recent video that he believes God will unify the church by the end-time. That is contradictory to the E.G. White statements in the remainder of this document. It would behoove you to read this vision before listening to Walter’s video, so that you won’t be deceived by his smooth sayings about a new movement that has “removed God.” 1SM 205.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbUegn0YHY

 

The Three Angel’s Messages

 

Walter Veith says in a number of his videos, as well as the one under discussion, that the three angel’s message are our MISSION, which is true, but NOT OUR ONLY MISSION. Also, the three angel’s messages include far more than most ministers understand says Ellen White. In this vision God has given me a revelation of what the three angel’s messages include, as well as the truth about the God the first angel’s message admonishes us to worship. To conclude that this knowledge is NONSENSE, as Walter Veith intones near the end of his video, is nothing short of blasphemy and dumb-dog mindedness (Isaiah 56:10-12) and Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211, where the dumb dogs will NEVER AGAIN bark to show God’s people their sins.

 

In Revelation 14, the three angel’s messages are prefaced by a description of the bride, the 144,000, who gives the final Midnight Loud Cry of those messages to the world. In Christ’s Object Lessons, pp. 405-406, it says that the voice of God and the voice of the bride, awaken all 10 virgins, and in Matthew 25 it says that all those virgins slumbered and slept.

 

Mat 25:5   While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 

 

In Isaiah 62:1-12, it is Zion, the bride (verse 5) that gives the final Loud Cry as verses 11 and 12, are a paraphrase of the Midnight Cry, “Behold the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet Him.” Matthew 25:6.

 

Rev 14:1  And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 

Rev 14:2   And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 

Rev 14:3   And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 

Rev 14:4   These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 

Rev 14:5   And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. 

Rev 14:6  And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 

Rev 14:7   Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 

Rev 14:11   And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 

Rev 14:12  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 

Rev 14:13  And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 

Rev 14:14  And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 

Rev 14:15   And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 

Rev 14:16   And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 

Rev 14:17  And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 

Rev 14:18  And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 

Rev 14:19   And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 

Rev 14:20   And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

·       The first angel’s message instructs us to fear (respect) God, and give glory to only Him, for the hour of His Judgment is come. We are to worship Him as the Creator of heaven and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters.

·       The first angel’s message is about God, the Godhead. Near the end of his video, Veith says that the things being taught on the Godhead are NONSENSE. There is nonsense being taught on the Godhead, but that does not negate THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GODHEAD.

·       The alpha heresy taught error on the Godhead. Ellen White said that the omega heresy would surely come and be far worse than the alpha. So the omega heresy must involve the Godhead, contrary to Walter Veith’s suggestion that all that is being taught on the Godhead is NONSENSE spoken by bleating sheep.

·       Which is worse, dumb-dogs that will NEVER AGAIN BARK to show the House of Jacob its sins (5T 211, Isa. 56:10-12), or bleating sheep who are scared by the wolves God says are AMONG them? 1SM 204-205.

·       The True Reformers are not BLEATING SHEEP.

·       "Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151, & Review and Herald, Oct. 13, 1891.

·       The Trinity Doctrine taught by new movement Adventism, sweeps away the entire Christian economy, just as Kellogg’s errors on the Godhead did. How? By its teaching that there are THREE co-ETERNAL persons to the Godhead. Were that true, then the humanity PERSON of the Godhead, produced by the Incarnation of the Son of God, which was divested from His Divine Holy Spirit HIMSELF, to be an INDEPENDENT PERSON, would be a fourth person, which is not true. Nor is it true that the humanity person is co-ETERNAL with the Holy Spirit Divine Person of Christ, and the person of the Father.

·       John 14 presents the Godhead in its truth and simplicity. Jesus as a human on earth is speaking to Phillip, Thomas and Judas, (Not Iscariot).

He tells Phillip that He (Christ) is the Comforter, to wit:

Jhn 14:16   And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 

Jhn 14:17   Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.  Jhn 14:18   I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

·       We are dealing with three distinct persons, but Christ is both a DIVINE and HUMAN PERSON.

 

1.    The Father

2.    Christ as the pre-Incarnation Holy Spirit DIVINE SON OF GOD

3.    Christ as the Incarnate HUMAN Son of God, as the result of Christ coming in the likeness of sinful human flesh.

 

Rev 14:8  And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

·        The second angel’s message tells us that Babylon is fallen and that we are to come out of her.

 

Rev 14:9  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 

Rev 14:10   The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

·       The third angel’s message informs us that if ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

·       Ellen White said that the three angel’s messages are righteousness by faith in verity.

 

The Third Angel’s Message in Verity—Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the third angel’s message, and I have answered, “It is the third angel’s message in verity.”—The Review and Herald, April 1, 1890. {Ev 190.3}

 

It Presents an Uplifted Saviour—This message was to bring more prominently before the world the uplifted Saviour, the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. It presented justification through faith in the Surety; it invited the people to receive the righteousness of Christ, which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God. Many had lost sight of Jesus. They needed to have their eyes directed to His divine person, His merits, and His changeless love for the human family. All power is given into His hands, that He may dispense rich gifts unto men, imparting the priceless gift of His own righteousness to the helpless human agent. This is the message that God commanded to be given to the world. It is the third angel’s message, which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice, and attended with the outpouring of His Spirit in a large measure. {Ev 190.4}

 

The uplifted Saviour is to appear in His efficacious work as the Lamb slain, sitting upon the throne, to dispense the priceless covenant blessings, the benefits He died to purchase for every soul who should believe on Him. John could not express that love in words; it was too deep, too broad; he calls upon the human family to behold it. Christ is pleading for the church in the heavenly courts above, pleading for those for whom He paid the redemption price of His own lifeblood. Centuries, ages, can never diminish the efficacy of this atoning sacrifice. The message of the gospel of His grace was to be given to the church in clear and distinct lines, that the world should no longer say that Seventh-day Adventists talk the law, the law, but do not teach or believe Christ. {Ev 191.1}

 

The efficacy of the blood of Christ was to be presented to the people with freshness and power, that their faith might lay hold upon its merits.... {Ev 191.2}

 

Speaking of the EFFICACY associated with Christ, let us first understand the definition of efficacy, and then apply such to the Incarnation sacrifice of Christ.

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The following two Spirit of Prophecy statements combined with John 14, teach with all clarity the truth on the Godhead, which is the most fundamental doctrines to Christianity, and which is advocated by the first angel’s message. We must KNOW the God we worship and what sacrifice He made for us to save us.

 

"Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.

In the gift of the Spirit [HIS LIFE--THE SOUL OF HIS LIFE], Jesus gave to man the highest good that heaven could bestow....

The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail....

It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, May 19, 1904, vol. 5, p. 42.

“Christ had stooped to take upon Himself man’s nature; He was to bear an infinite weight of woe as He should make His soul an offering for sin; yet angels desire that even in His humiliation the Son of the Highest might appear before men with a dignity and glory befitting His character.” E.G. White, The Great Controversy, pp. 313, 314.

"Cumbered with humanity Christ could not be in every place personally, therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them to go to His Father and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit.” E.G. White, (Manuscript Releases Volume 14 (No’s 1081-1135) MR No.1084.

 

Nicholas Petula of Presents of God Miistry, and his former associate Robert Sessler of Let there be Light Ministries, both say that there has been no divestment separation between the two persons of the Godhead, the HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF and the humanity of Christ. Ellen White attests to this DIVESTING SEPARATION in the above statement. If there was no divestment, THERE WAS NO HEAVENLY SANCTUARY ATONEMENT. That would sweep away the entire Christian economy, but these men don’t seem to have the spiritual discernment to understand that.

Additional Duties Attending the Three Angels’ Messages

Christ vs. Penance—When the third angel’s message is preached as it should be, power attends its proclamation, and it becomes an abiding influence. It must be attended with divine power, or it will accomplish nothing.... {Ev 191.4}

 

Penances, mortifications of the flesh, constant confession of sin, without sincere repentance; fasts, festivals, and outward observances, unaccompanied by true devotion—all these are of no value whatever. The sacrifice of Christ is sufficient; He made a whole, efficacious offering to God; and human effort without the merit of Christ, is worthless.... {Ev 192.1}

 

The plan of salvation is not understood to be that through which divine power is brought to man in order that his human effort may be wholly successful.... {Ev 192.2}

 

Without the transforming process which can come alone through divine power, the original propensities to sin are left in the heart in all their strength, to forge new chains, to impose a slavery that can never be broken by human power.—The Review and Herald, August 19, 1890. {Ev 192.3}

 

For years the church has been looking to man, and expecting much from man, but not looking to Jesus, in whom our hopes of eternal life are centered. Therefore God gave to His servants a testimony that presented the truth as it is in Jesus, which is the third angel’s message, in clear, distinct lines.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 91-93 (1896). {Ev 191.3}

 

A Present-Truth Message—We thank the Lord with all the heart that we have precious light to present before the people, and we rejoice that we have a message for this time which is present truth. The tidings that Christ is our righteousness has brought relief to many, many souls, and God says to His people, “Go forward.”—The Review and Herald, July 23, 1889. {Ev 192.4}

 

A Message for the Churches and New Fields—Ministers are to present Christ in His fullness both in the churches and in new fields, that the hearers may have an intelligent faith. The people must be instructed that Christ is unto them salvation and righteousness. It is Satan’s studied purpose to keep souls from believing in Christ as their only hope; for the blood of Christ that cleanseth from all sin is efficacious in behalf of those only who believe in its merit.—Gospel Workers, 162 (1915). {Ev 192.5}

 

Going to War Without the Gift of Prophecy

 

Walter Veith uses the story of Deborah in the Bible where it speaks of not going to war without the SOP gift to the church. But when one uses only the positive statements of the Spirit of Prophecy and refuses to BARK and show the House of Jacob its sins, that IS NOT GOING TO WAR WITH ALL THE SOP SUPPORT BEHIND YOU. That is doing exactly as the Jews did. They took certain promises of God to them and reckoned them as being UNCONDITIONAL, and many Jews still do this to this very day. Walter Veith and most Adventists are making this same tragic and foolish mistake.

 

Making the SOP of non-effect. Going to war while making it of non-effect. This is the EFFECT of not taking all pertinent CONDITIONAL SOP statements concerning the “church,” into consideration. Ellen White prophesied the CONDITIONS would be refused, and that is the case. Walter Veith, as well, refuses to cite the CONDITIONAL, UNPOPULAR STATEMENTS OF THE SOP AND THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO GOING TO WAR WITHOUT THE BACKING OF THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.

 

Veith says: “God has a marvelous way of bringing people into harmony with the SOP,” but Veith is not giving the unpopular prophesying’s of Ellen White. God’s marvelous way of bringing the rest of the Spirit of Prophecy to the people is via True Reformers.

 

Veith seems “dogged minded determined” that neither he nor his hearers will ever REPUDIATE the new movement, nor sigh and cry aloud per Isaiah 58 to show God’s people their sins and abominations. Apparently he disagrees with God that such is a necessary CONDITION to being sealed, Exzekiel 9. Thus he declines the unpopular DUTY per Ezekiel 9 and the following SOP statements concerning Isaiah 58, and most other SDA leaders I know exhibit the very same attitude:

 

Ellen White says that Isaiah 58 is a DIVINE PRESCRIPTION. Show this writer wherein Walter Veith crys aloud to show God’s people their sins. Show me the evidence. I have viewed scores of his videos and have never seen or heard him do so. Rather, he says that is not necessary; to just focus on the church’s mission, THE THREE ANGEL’S MESSAGES.*Isaiah 58 A DIVINE PRESCRIPTION

 

Isaiah 58 and the Third Angels Message DIVINE PRESCRIPTION  https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/152.102?ss=eyJwYXJhbXMiOnsicXVlcnkiOiJXTSAzMiIsImxhbmciOiJlbiJ9LCJzZ19pbmRleCI6MH0%3D#115

 

“This is our work. The light that we have upon the third angel’s message is the true light. The mark of the beast is exactly what it has been proclaimed to be. All in regard to this matter is not yet understood, and will not be understood until the unrolling of the scroll, but a most solemn work is to be accomplished in our world. The Lord’s command to His servants is “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” {CTr 350.4}

 

The Church to Arise and Repent

 

“Let the church arise, and repent of her backslidings before God. Let the watchmen awake, and give the trumpet a certain sound. It is a definite warning that we have to proclaim. God commands His servants, “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins” (Isaiah 58:1). The attention of the people must be gained; unless this can be done, all effort is useless; though an angel from heaven should come down and speak to them, his words would do no more good than if he were speaking into the cold ear of death. {1SM 126.1}

 

“The old standard bearers knew what it was to wrestle with God in prayer, and to enjoy the outpouring of His Spirit. But these are passing off from the stage of action; and who are coming up to fill their places? How is it with the rising generation? Are they converted to God? Are we awake to the work that is going on in the heavenly sanctuary, or are we waiting for some compelling power to come upon the church before we shall arouse? Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come.” {1SM 122.1}

 

Obviously, if Ezekiel 9 begins at His Church, His Sanctuary, why would that happen if the whole church revived and came into unity as Walter says he believes it will.

 

Again, the command is given, “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” It is not the wicked world, but those whom the Lord designates as “my people,” that are to be reproved for their transgressions. He declares further, “Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God.” [Isaiah 58:1, 2.] Here is brought to view a class who think themselves righteous, and appear to manifest great interest in the service of God; but the stern and solemn rebuke of the Searcher of hearts proves them to be trampling upon the divine precepts. {GC88 452.2}

 

The Chapter That Defines Our Work—The whole of the fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah is to be regarded as a message for this time, to be given over and over again.—Special Testimonies, Series B 2:5. {WM 29.1}

 

“What saith the Lord in the fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah? The whole chapter is of the highest importance.”—Testimonies for the Church 8:159. {WM 29.2}

 

I have been instructed to refer our people to the fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah. Read this chapter carefully and understand the kind of ministry that will bring life into the churches. The work of the gospel is to be carried by means of our liberality as well as by our labors. When you meet suffering souls who need help, give it to them. When you find those who are hungry, feed them. In doing this you will be working in lines of Christ's ministry. The Master's holy work was a benevolent work. Let our people everywhere be encouraged to have a part in it.—Manuscript 7, 1908. {WM 29.3}

 

The Work Outlined—"Please read Isaiah 58: ‘Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord? Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy rereward. Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and He shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; and if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: and the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.” {WM 29.4} This is the special work now before us. All our praying and abstinence from food will avail nothing unless we resolutely lay hold of this work. Sacred obligations are resting upon us. Our duty is plainly stated. The Lord has spoken to us by His prophet. The thoughts of the Lord and His ways are not what blind, selfish mortals believe they are or wish them to be. The Lord looks on the heart. If selfishness dwells there, He knows it. We may seek to conceal our true character from our brethren and sisters, but God knows. Nothing can be hid from Him. {WM 30.1}

 

The Twofold Reform of Isaiah 58—"The work specified in these words [Isaiah 58] is the work God requires His people to do.” Special Testimonies, Series A 10:3, 4. {WM 32.1}

 

The Third Angel’s Message is to be One With Isaiah 58

 

“The Counsel Is Explicit—I have no fears of workers who are engaged in the work represented in the fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah. This chapter is explicit, and is enough to enlighten anyone who wishes to do the will of God. There is plenty of opportunity for everyone to be a blessing to humanity. The third angel's message is not to be given a second place in this work, but is to be one with it. There may be, and there is, a danger of burying up the great principles of truth when doing the work that is right to do. This work is to be to the message what the hand is to the body. The spiritual necessities of the soul are to be kept prominent.—Letter 24, 1898. {WM 33.1}

 

Our God-appointed Work—I cannot too strongly urge all our church members, all who are true missionaries, all who believe the third angel's message, all who turn away their feet from the Sabbath, to consider the message of the fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah. The work of beneficence enjoined in this chapter is the work that God requires His people to do at this time. It is a work of His own appointment. We are not left in doubt as to where the message applies, and the time of its marked fulfillment, for we read: “They that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.” Verse 12. God's memorial, the seventh-day Sabbath, the sign of His work in creating the world, has been displaced by the man of sin. God's people have a special work to do in repairing the breach that has been made in His law; and the nearer we approach the end, the more urgent this work becomes. All who love God will show that they bear His sign by keeping His commandments.... {WM 33.2}

 

When the church accepts its God-given work, the promise is: “Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy rereward.”—Testimonies for the Church 6:265-267. {WM 34.1}

 

Veith quotes the following EGW statement, but he is not giving the people Ellen White’s most severe CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS on the final fate of the church.

*   “In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.” [Testimonies for the Church 4:147, 148 (1876).] {5T 661.1}

THE THIRD ANGEL’S MESSAGE

“The third angel's message is to be given in straight lines. It is to be kept free from every thread of the cheap, miserable inventions of men's theories, prepared by the father of lies, and disguised as was the brilliant serpent used by Satan as a medium of deceiving our first parents. Thus Satan tries to put his stamp upon the work God would have stand forth in purity.” {2SM 37.4}

Walter Veith quotes Ellen White about God regarding the church with supreme regard. Again, one must consider TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE. Does God regard an omega of apostasy new movement that has removed Him, with supreme regard? Does He bring down to hell a church that He holds in supreme regard? Does He begin Ezekiel 9 slaughter at a church that He holds in supreme regard?

On Sabbath a.m. January 19, 2019, the Lord gave me a vision on Walter Veith’s view of the church’s mission regarding his current oft stated position that our only duty is to give the three angel’s messages to the world, and that all other issues are NONSENSE. In his most recent video as of this date entitled Leadership and End-time Prophecy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbUegn0YHY  Walter makes a very strange and startling statement at minute 1:01:09 That we are not better than anyone else.”

Then he quotes:

“As the end draws near and the work of giving the last warning to the world extends, it becomes more important for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of the nature and influence of the Testimonies, which God in His providence has linked with the work of the third angel’s message from its very rise.”  {CCh 91.1}

Veith DOES NOT contribute to an ENTIRE understanding and influence of the Testimonies, because there are many CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS that he does not deal with.

“In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.” {CCh 91.2

That is a true statement, but one had better take ALL THE CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS AS WELL!

The Curse of Meroz

Jdg 5:23 Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the LORD, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty.

When you think of the curse of Meroz, which Veith mentions, think of the Dumb-dogs that will NEVER AGAIN BARK to show the House of Jacob, God’s people, their sins. 5T 211, Isaiah 58, and Isaiah 56:10-12. It is the True Reformers Bride of Christ, Isaiah 62, that comes to the help of the Lord by repairing the breach made in the truth, pillar doctrines. They are written/registered in heaven as restorers, but Walter Veith refers to them as bleating sheep.

How is Walter Veith coming to the aid of the Lord, when he won’t even mention the new movement he defends, as having removed God, and will allow nothing to stand in their way. Is Veith rather coming to the aid of Satan? Ellen White said we should REPUDIATE the new movement. Veith says those who are trying to repudiate the new movement are just “bleating sheep.” He won’t defend the sheep who are surrounded by Trojan Horse wolves, when Ellen White said there is much more to fear from WITHIN than from WITHOUT.

The new movement destroyed the vestiges of the Protestant Reformation by the truncated book The Great Hope, where all chapters having to do with the Protestant Reformation were eclipsed from the book.

No Time to Listen to the Bleating of the Sheep Saying What is Wrong With the Church

Contrary to the Divine Prescription of Isaiah 58, and the dumb-dog “watchmen” who will NEVER AGAIN BARK to show God’s people their sins, Walter Veith says at minute: 1:15:35 that we have NO TIME TO LISTEND TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE CHURCH. NO TIME TO SIT WITH THE BLEATING SHEEP LISTENING TO THEIR LITTLE DRUMS AND THEIR LITTLE MUSIC. That is precisely what 5T 211 says the dumb-dog watchmen will say. And this contradicts Isaiah 58, God’s DIVINE PRESCRIPTION to cry aloud and spare not—show my people their sins. THIS IS A DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF THE BIBLE, let alone the Spirit of Prophecy, while Veith pretends to go to warfare with all the Spirit of Prophecy! NOT SO! This is a total mocking of the True Reformers who are BARKING, NOT BLEATING, TO SHOW THE HOUSE OF JACOB ITS SINS, WHILE VEITH SAYS THERE IS NO TIME FOR THAT!

WALTER VEITH SAYS WE HAVE NO TIME TO BE SEALED

This is a classic example of how an apparently intelligent mind can go TOTALLY OFF THE TRACK. God almighty says in Ezekiel 9, the same words as Ellen White says below. Yet, Walter Veith says FLAT OUT THAT WE HAVE NO TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE CHURCH. WE HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS—LIKE WHAT GOD SAYS BELOW IS NOT MARCHING ORDERS, and the very CONDITION for being sealed for salvation. How many will be lost by taking Veith’s Word in lieu of God’s Word on this serious SEALING issue?

 

"Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those 'that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the church.' Testimonies, vol. 3, pp. 266-267.

“Warnings and reproofs are not given to the erring among Seventh-day Adventists because their lives are more blameworthy than are the lives of professed Christians of the nominal churches...but because they have great light, and have by their profession taken their position as God’s special, chosen people, having the law of God written in their hearts.” {CCh 91.3}

If God’s bride is not better than anyone else, why does He say she is WITHOUT FAULT?

Rev 14:5   And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. 

·     Why is the True Church that is supposed to be the REMNANT, given the commission of the Second Angel’s message to call people out of Babylon if she is no better than anyone else?

·     Wouldn’t it follow that if we are no better, we should have stayed in Babylon?

·     The Three Angel’s Messages say that God’s people KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. Are they no better than those who are destroyed because they don’t keep His commandments?

·     Isn’t it the heresy that we are no better than Babylon, that motivated church leaders to go to Babylon for help, when Nehemiah refused to come down and talk with them?

·     Does Revelation 14:1-5, The preface to the three angel’s messages, say that God’s people are NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE?

·     Does the second angel’s message read to the Babylonian: God’s remnant people are no better than you, but you are to come out of Babylon and join them?

·     How do you call people out of Babylon, while telling them the church you belong to IS NO BETTER? What kind of DOUBLE-SPEAK is that?

I was shown that one of the most serious mistakes SDA leaders make is believing that the church is the ship rather than the pioneer message being the ship, which the new movement has already well nigh sunk, thus the following “SHIP” statement that is never featured in any popular SDA seminar presentations:

 

#1: "I lately read of a NOBLE SHIP that was plowing its way across the sea, when at midnight, with a terrific crash, it struck upon a rock; the passengers were awakened only to see with horror their hopeless condition, and with the ship they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM [VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a moment's warning launched into eternity." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 128.

 

Noble Ship #2: "There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. Noble Ship If matters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 390.

For a true understanding as to how God attends to matters needing adjusting at the head of an apostate church, we need look no further than the typology of the final fate of His first “chosen people,” which Ellen White spoke of as a PREFIGURE TYPE in Great Controversy, p. 25.

"That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be--that is past".--Last Day Events 50.4

“As for the voice of the General Conference, there is no voice from God through that body that is reliable.” -Manuscript 57, October  12, 1895 & Manuscript Releases, vol 17, p 178.

  "A glorious light then rested down upon these companies, to enlighten all who would receive it. Some of those who were in darkness received the light and rejoiced. Others resisted the light from heaven, saying that it was sent to lead them astray. The light passed away from them, and they were left in darkness. Those who had received the light from Jesus joyfully cherished the increase of precious light which was shed upon them. Their faces beamed with holy joy, while their gaze was directed upward to Jesus with intense interest, and their voices were heard in harmony with the voice of the angel, 'Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come.' As they raised this cry, I saw those who were in darkness thrusting them with side and with shoulder. Then many who cherished the sacred light, broke the cords which confined them and stood out separated from those companies. As they were doing this, men belonging to the different companies and revered by them passed through, some with pleasing words, and others with wrathful looks and threatening gestures, and fastened the cords which were weakening. These men were constantly saying, 'God is with us. We stand in the light. We have the truth.' I inquired who these men were, and was told that they were ministers and leading men who had rejected the light themselves, and were unwilling that others should receive it."  -Early Writings 240.1&2

Walter Veith Verses God’s Word and Ellen White on the Identity of the Bride

What Keith Drury and Walter Veith are doing, in essence, is mocking the true bride of Christ, the True Reformers, while they regard all the people in the church as the bride of Christ. How can the ten-virgins be the bride when it is the voice of God and the voice of the bride that awakens ALL TEN of the slumbering virgins, Matthew 25 and COL, p. 405-406.

God’s Word gives us the identity of the players in the bible. And Ellen White has much to say about the bride as well. But Walter Veith has chosen to go to Babylon for man’s philosophy on the bride. Both Veith and Keith Drury, whom Veith quotes on the bride, make the great mistake of referring to their respective churches as the bride of Christ. They conflate the strictly pure bethulah virgins of Isaiah 62:5, the True Reformers written/registered in the church of heaven, with the people guests at the wedding supper. The word virgin in Isaiah 62:5, in Hebrew means “strictly pure,” and that distinguishes them from the ten virgin concubines.

"Those who think that the church militant is the church triumphant make a great mistake." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152.

The Church Triumphant.--The work is soon to close. The members of the church militant who have proved faithful will become the church triumphant.-- Letter 32, 1892. {Ev 707.1}

“Notwithstanding the spiritual darkness and alienation from God that exist in the churches which constitute Babylon, the great body of Christ's true followers are still to be found in their communion.”--GC 390 (1911). {LDE 198.1}

There is a general sense of the body of Christ which included even true followers who are still to be found in the communions of Babylon. But as Isaiah 62 teaches, Zion (Sion) is the bride of Christ, and she has sons and daughters whom Ellen White defined as “guests,” the people of the church, to wit:

 

“The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the capital and representative of the kingdom, is called "the bride, the Lamb's wife." Said the angel to John: "Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." "He carried me away in the spirit," says the prophet, "and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." Revelation

                                                                            427

21:9, 10. Clearly, then, the bride represents the Holy City, and the virgins that go out to meet the bridegroom are a symbol of the church. In the Revelation the people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper. Revelation 19:9. If guests, they cannot be represented also as the bride. Christ, as stated by the prophet Daniel, will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven, "dominion, and glory, and a kingdom;" He will receive the New Jerusalem, the capital of His kingdom, "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Daniel 7:14; Revelation 21:2. Having received the kingdom, He will come in His glory, as King of kings and Lord of lords, for the redemption of His people, who are to "sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob," at His table in His kingdom (Matthew 8:11; Luke 22:30), to partake of the marriage supper of the Lamb.” {GC 426.2}

·       It is very important to remember that “the people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper. (Revelation 19:9. And that “

If guests, they cannot be represented also as the bride.” This is crucial, because both Walter Veith and Keith Drury whom he quotes on the bride, reckon the bride as being what Ellen White refers to as “the people of God” who are said to be the guests at the marriage supper. And that if guests, they cannot be the bride.”

 

·       In Revelation 3:10-12, Philadelphia gets the name NEW JERUSALEM in her forehead. She is made pillars (lesser priests) in the Temple on Mt. Zion in heaven. Ellen White said only the 144,000 enter the Temple on Mt. Zion in heaven. God does not fault Philadelphia in Rev. 3. God does not fault the 144,000 in Revelation 14:1-5. The 144,000 have to be WITHOUT FAULT to be part of the spiritual corporate body of Christ, lest His body be corrupt. In Isaiah 62:5, the word virgin in Hebrew is bethulah which means a strictly pure virgin that is married as the bride of Christ. In Christ’s Object Lessons, pp. 405-406, Jesus goes to the house of the brides father [ye are of your father the devil—the Synagogue of Satan] and takes her to His House (Sion/Zion) the church in heaven by faith.

 

·       In the same reference, the ten virgins linger NEAR THE BRIDES HOUSE, BUT NOT AT IT.

 

·       At the Midnight Cry of COL 425, 426, the ten virgins slumber and sleep—ALL THOSE VIRGINS SLUMBERED AND SLEPT. Matthew 25 Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. The bride does not sleep, for the voice and God AND THE VOICE OF THE BRIDE awaken the ten virgins.

 

·       In Isaiah 62, the entire Chapter is about the bride of Christ, Zion. She has watchmen who do not sleep day or night, meaning they are awake watchmen to watch over the sheep that they be not taken by the wolves who exist IN THE MIDST OF THE CHURCH (JERUSALEM) Ezekiel 22:117-31.

 

“I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence, 

Isa 62:6, 7   And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.”

 

·       The True Watchmen are referred to as True Reformers by Ellen White, that are written/registered in Heaven, to wit:

 

"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151, & Review and Herald, Oct. 13, 1891.

 

·       In Isaiah 62:11, 12, and COL, 405, 406, it is clear that the 144,000 give the three angel’s messages, and NOT the apostate church, because that church is awakened by the voice of God and the voice of the bride.

 

“You who are appointed as directors are yourselves to be under the direction of Christ. Take your orders from him, and give them to the workers in the spirit of Christ, remembering that “all ye are brethren.” We are reformers, and we are not to accept a human standard but to be governed by the principles of heaven. It does not become reformers to confine the work of reform to some special points to the neglect of others. If wealth is brought to the sanitarium by the sacrifice of one Christlike attribute or principle, souls will be discouraged, and one soul is worth more than the whole world. Remember that Christ will deal with you as you deal with those under your care.” {20MR 388.4}

 

·       We are not to neglect duties other than the three angel’s messages, as does Walter Veith and most other leaders, in not sighing and crying for all the abominations and crying aloud to show God’s people their sins.

·       Walter Veith refers to these True Reformers as “bleating sheep” that we should not listen to. Walter Veith DOES NOT meet the specifications of a True Reformer, and he does all he can to disparage them and their warning message, as do the leaders of the new movement who are looking on but don’t seem to understand the omega of apostasy the new movement  has imbibed, and/or shrink from the unpopular duty to BARK and show the House of Jacob its sins. 5T 211, quoted elsewhere in this manuscript.

·       It should be clear that there are distinctions between the bride and the guests. Some don’t know that there has been faithful men as watchmen in every successive generation. Desire of Ages, 232. These faithful watchmen Reformers are the church triumphant if they continue to be faithful.

·       The church triumphant EXISTS AT ALL TIMES TO COME TO THE AID OF THE CHURCH MILITANT IF THAT CHURCH WILL ACCEPT THE AID OF THE TRUE REFORMERS: "The members of the church triumphant--the church in heaven--will be permitted to draw near to the members of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity." E. G. White, The Southern Watchman, Sep. 8, 1903.

·         “After Jesus opened the door of the most holy, the light of the Sabbath was seen, and the people of God were tested, as the children of Israel were tested anciently, to see if they would keep God's law. I saw the third angel pointing upward, showing the disappointed ones the way to the holiest of the heavenly sanctuary. As they by faith enter the most holy, they find Jesus, and hope and joy spring up anew. I saw them looking back, reviewing the past, from the proclamation of the second advent of Jesus, down through their experience to the passing of the time in 1844. They see their disappointment explained, and joy and certainty again animate them. The third angel has lighted up the past, the present, and the future, and they know that God has indeed led them by His mysterious providence. {EW 254.2}

·            “It was represented to me that the remnant followed Jesus into the most holy place and beheld the ark and the mercy seat, and were captivated with their glory. Jesus then raised the cover of the ark, and lo! the tables of stone, with the ten commandments written upon them. They trace down the lively oracles, but start back with trembling when they see the fourth commandment among the ten holy precepts, with a brighter light shining upon it than upon the other nine, and a halo of glory all around it. They find nothing there informing them that the Sabbath has been abolished, or changed to the first day of the week. The commandment reads as when spoken by the voice of God in solemn and awful grandeur upon the mount, while the lightnings flashed and the thunders rolled; it is the same as when written with His own finger on the tables of stone: "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." They are amazed as they behold the care taken of the ten commandments. They see them placed close by Jehovah, overshadowed and protected by His holiness. They see that they have been trampling upon the fourth commandment of the decalogue, and have observed a day handed down by the heathen and papists, instead of the day sanctified by Jehovah. They humble themselves before God and mourn over their past transgressions. {EW 255.1}

·       It should be evident that Philadelphians, the bride of Christ, have existed in all ages. They are members of the church in heaven BY FAITH NOW. God regards them as being WITHOUT FAULT, but Walter Veith says to his audience: “We are no better than anyone else.” Though the bride will not think herself better and act as though she is, if God says she is without fault, who is any man to say differently?

·       It would be a bit difficult to call folk out of Babylon while telling them there are none any better who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and teach a pure gospel of overcoming by love for and faith in Christ, and by the empowerment of His Holy Spirit which Divine Nature we are invited to partake of.

·       Walter Veith proposes that our only marching orders are the three angels’ messages, but those messages are righteousness by faith in verity, and comprehend more than Walter Veith attributes to them, such as Isaiah 58 which Ellen White states is our work, And God’s instruction in Ezekiel 9 to sigh and cry for all the abominations in the church as a CONDITION for being sealed. If Walter Veith and his patrons fail to do these other duties, they won’t be sealed. But I don’t think he and his patrons are aware of their narrow focus.

·       Walter Veith and his hearers cannot give the second angel’s message, because the new movement they defend is in strictly forbidden liaison with Satan’s World Council of Churches and its subsidiary Ministerial Associations, Councils/Counsels, and Confederacies, as is strictly forbidden in Isaiah 8:9-12. All who do this KNOWINGLY will be broken in pieces, stated three times for the seriousness of this offense against God. Many local SDA pastors, EVEN MOST, are MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL MINISTERIAL ASSOCIATION, which is a local arm of the World Council of Churches, and I called that agency in Canada and confirmed this fact. In my locale, an SDA minister has been the PRESIDEN of the local MINISTERIAL ASSOCIATION for years now.

The marginal reference for “slaughter weapons” in Ezekiel 9:2, is “a weapon of his breaking in pieces. So, one of the prime reasons Ezekiel 9 is literally fulfilled again, BEGINNING at the House of Jacob, SDA’s (5T 211) is because of this forbidden liaison. And every MEMBER is corporately responsible, so that they cannot honestly give the three angel’s messages, when they are in violation of them themselves. But Walter Veith terms this warning by the True Reformers as “the bleating of the sheep, and you should not listen to them.”

I have a Directory of Christian Churches that has a listing of FULL MEMBERS of the World Council of Churches, which lists Seventh-day Adventists AS FULL MEMBERS in FIVE COUNTRIES of the world, while SDA leaders lie about this liaison with Babylon.

Adventist are generally fooled by this lying, but Pastor David Bauer tells the case of a Naval Admiral who was into eight months of Bible Studies administered by an SDA Pastor, and one Wednesday evening when the pastor arrived at his doorstep to give his bible study, the Admiral answered the door and said: “Don’t you ever darken my doorstep again.” The pastor was understandably startled, and asked the reason.

The Admiral replied that he had been watching a TV program the evening before, that was about the National Council of Churches of Christ in the U.S.A. He stated that at the end of the program, at the running of the credits, he noticed the name Seventh-day Adventists listed as a MEMBER. He informed the pastor that he could not call him out of Babylon into his church, because his church was in liaison with Babylon itself. It’s a sorry state when folk in Babylon are more aware of the church’s violations on the counsel of Isaiah 8:9-12, than those who claim to be giving the three angel’s messages, AND THA INCLUDES WALTER J. VEITH.

 

 

 

 

The Church Triumphant is the body of Christ, the 144,000.

Veith makes the following statement on his video quoting Keith Drury.

I have decided to submit to Christ’s tastes in bride-picking.  If He wants the church as His bride I will accept her too.  Jesus Christ, the head of the body is easy to love.  The body of Christ is harder to love. But I have chosen to love here for one single reason—Christ loves her and considers her beautiful.  Perhaps he sees possibilities in her I don’t see?  Perhaps that’s how He sees me too?” Walter Veith’s quoting of Keith Drury’s Beheading Christ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Drury

Keith Drury (born 1945) is an Associate Professor of Religion at Indiana Wesleyan University. Drury spent more than twenty years (1971-1988, 1990-1996) in denominational leadership for the Wesleyan Church. As a writer, his blog engages pastors and church leaders on a variety of popular and scholarly ministry topics.

 

Beheading Christ

 

“It is popular for some today to try to take Jesus and reject the church, the body of Christ.  This leaves them with a beheaded Jesus—Christ without His body.  It is a handy way to escape being tarred by the brush that paints all Christians poorly.  But it is not the religion of Jesus Christ. I do, however understand the temptation.  I’d like to do this myself if I could.  But I have not been able to behead Jesus and remain a Christian.  Here’s my story:

 

1. I was unable to behead Christ and leave His body behind. 

It would be nice if Christianity allowed me to take just Jesus without the church like ordering a hamburger without the mayo. I’d be able to have a pure religion of “just Jesus and me.”   Then I’d escape getting smeared by association by all those half-wits in the church or on TV getting condemned as “one of them.”  If I could take Jesus without the church I could go camping for my worship every weekend and sit on the edge of a canyon listening to my iPod. I’d “whisper a prayer in the morning” and consider that my primary duty to God.  God would talk to me directly from the Bible and I’d always know exactly what He wanted of me.  I would be able to ignore all the troublesome passages of Scripture and Jesus would focus on my favorite subject: me!  In fact, on Sundays I wouldn’t have to take a shower or get dressed up—I’d just go out on my back porch and read my Bible alone or listen to my favorite CDs.   Maybe I’d go walk in the garden with Jesus, or take him hiking with me. Jesus could become my regular “Tonto” and provide me companionship and support in my personal life.  I could escape shallow Sunday school classes and avoid weird religious people doing their therapy in class discussions.  I wouldn’t have to be a volunteer on the teen ski trip, or to work with screaming babies in the nursery.  If I could take Jesus without the church I could have a much better religion—a religion that is bounded on the North, East South and west by… me!  I could “have it my way.”  I admit this idea appeals to me as a good American.  It had great appeal when I was younger. The trouble is—this religion wouldn’t be Christianity.  I’d have a religion, and I’d have spirituality, but it would not be the religion of Jesus Christ.  Jesus the Christ does not come with a detachable head.  Christ comes attached to His body—the church.

 

2. I’ve learned to love the bride of Christ for one single reason.

I didn’t always love the church.  I wondered when I was young how Christ could choose the church as His bride.  Did you ever see that handsome guy every girl on campus wanted show up at the alumni banquet with a real dog of a wife?  You say under your breath, “how did she get him? That’s how I used to feel about Jesus and the church.  Why would he select such a dog?  Face it, the church is no hottie. I saw her warts, her limp, her scars and the open running sores on her face.  “Seems like Jesus could do better.”  Yet He chose the church to be His bride.  He loved her enough to die for her.  He died to make her holy, purifying her so that she will be “without spot or wrinkle” in eternity.  She’s may appear drab and uncomely to me but to Jesus she’s a beauty.  If anything proved the adage, “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” it is this choice of His.   Here’s what I’ve found through life.  The older I’ve got the better I’m able to see the church like He does—as a thing of beauty.  Maybe it is just a change that comes with aging.  When I was a kid-preacher I wanted the church to be delectable sexy model of perfection in order to be worthy of Christ (and worthy of me too).  But as I’ve gotten older I have come to see the church more like Christ must see her.  I no longer compare the church to some air-brushed fantasy that doesn’t exist.  Christ loves her “as is” and has tremendous hope for her. I suppose if you wrestled me to the ground I’d have to admit she is not very pretty—but I’ve decided she is a beauty for one reason—He thinks she’s beautiful.

 

3.  The theoretical construct of “the invisible church” is of little use to me.

Now I know many will try to “correct” my (theologically accurate) view of the church to tell me that the “invisible church”  is the real beauty and the real church—and the organized actual-peopled-building down the street has nothing to do with the real invisible church.  I understand that construct assigning all the “real Christians” to some theoretical worldwide invisible church.  But the notion has little practical use any more than saying I have an invisible marriage. Where is this invisible church of “real” Christians?  Can I worship with them?  Study the Bible with them?  Go on a ski trip with their youth? Organize relief for hurricane victims with them?  See?  It may be a clever mental gymnastic for categorizing thought but all I’ve got in the real world is a real assembly of real people who worship, pray, serve, study, grow, and reach out together—in the building down the street.  Sure, there are some folk in this visible church who are not in the theoretical invisible one. So what?  When next Sunday rolls around I can’t attend the invisible church so I’m left with the one Christ established and Paul extended 2000 years ago—the visible assembly of God’s people in a real place down the street from me.

 

4.  I’ve come to believe “there is no salvation outside the church.”

I know this is an unpopular notion among Protestants and most of my readers are Protestants.  Over the years I’ve come to believe that there is no salvation outside the church—the gathered assembly of believers.  I don’t believe there is such a thing as a lone Christian who refuses to connect with other Christians.  You probably disagree and I hope you are correct.  But I don’t think so. I’ve met too many men who despise Christians, despise the church, and “would rather go to my bar than you’re your church any day” I hope you are right—that they can make it to Heaven without the church. I hope all the people with new-Age privatized do-it-yourself relationships with God will be saved in the end.  I hope you’re right.  (I even hope the universalists are right—that in the end everybody will be saved).  But I don’t think either of these ideas is right.  I have come to believe that one cannot be a son or daughter without becoming a brother and sister.  For a while, maybe… but not for long.  The repressive Communist regimes were right: “Follow a Christian long enough and you will always find a group of Christians.”

 

5.  I now think a minister should delay her or his ordination until they learn to love the church.

I used to like the idea of hurry-up ordinations—get your education done, grab a couple years of practical experience and get ordained then get on with your life.  I no longer feel that way.  Now I say, “Take your time, think it through.”  Why?  Because I want young women and men to learn to love the church before they marry the lifetime vocation of ministry.  Does seeing Christ’s bride bring an involuntary gag to your throat?  If so, wait a while to be ordained.  If a ministerial candidate does not love the church—with all her warts and sores included—I think they should simply say “pass” and wait another year for ordination.  Sure, you should keep working in the church.  Sure, you should keep hanging around this bride of Christ.  See if you fall for her.  Even if you are like a son who comes to believe his mother is pretty only because his father says so.  When you’ve come to love the church because Christ loves her—then you are ready to be ordained.

By Keith Drury 10/18/2005

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Veith (cont)

 

I have decided to submit to Christ’s tastes in bride-picking.  If He wants the church as His bride I will accept her too.  Jesus Christ, the head of the body is easy to love.  The body of Christ is harder to love. But I have chosen to love her for one single reason—Christ loves her and considers her beautiful.  Perhaps he sees possibilities in her I don’t see?  Perhaps that’s how He sees me too?

 

Ron speaking:

 

Why go to an Evangelical like Keith Drury for a depiction of the bride of Christ? Why not take the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy in making such an important evaluation of such an important subject?

Who is the Bride of Christ?

Walter Veith strongly sets forth the notion that the NEW MOVEMENT church organization that has REMOVED GOD BY REMOVING PILLAR DOCTRINES, is the bride of Christ? Is that true according to the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy? Is that God’s acknowledged church which receives His supreme regard? Who did God regard as His supreme church in every succeeding generation of the withdrawal of true reformers, DA 232?

The Bible distinguishes between the bride and the church, the ten virgins, for in Isaiah 62, Zion (Sion) is married (verses 1-5), and she is instructed that upon her walls are the true watchmen placed; that she has sons and daughters, and that she should repair the breach.

 

Isa 62:1   For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. 

Isa 62:2   And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. 

Isa 62:3   Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. 

Isa 62:4   Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. 

Isa 62:5   For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. 

Isa 62:6   I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence, 

Isa 62:7   And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth. 

Isa 62:8   The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured: 

Isa 62:9   But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness. 

Isa 62:10   Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people. 

Isa 62:11   Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. 

Isa 62:12   And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

 

Zion, as True Reformers, prepares the way for the people, the ten virgins. Zion is a virgin (bethulah) a STRICTLY PURE virgin, and IS NOT one of the ten sleeping virgins whom she awakens, for the voice of God and the voice of the bride, awaken ALL TEN VIRGINS, for they ALL slumbered and slept. COL 405-406.

 

In the Great Controversy, pp. 426, 427, Jerusalem is the bride, and the people of the church are the guests at the wedding. It says if bride, she cannot be the guests and if guests, they cannot be the bride. 

 

In Revelation 3, it is Philadelphia that is made pillars (leaders) in the Temple on Mt. Zion, and only the 144,000 enter that Temple, EW, p. 19.

 

In Revelation 3:10-12, Philadelphia receives the name NEW JERUSALEM in her forehead.

 

Zion is the bride of Rev. 14:1-4, for she is not defiled with women (apostate churches), the ten virgins derive from.

 

Zion (Sion) is the True Reformers:

 

"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151, & Review and Herald, Oct. 13, 1891.

 

“It is no argument against the truth that there are few who are willing to accept it. Few accepted the world's Redeemer. Though the multitude flocked around him, eager to receive temporal blessings, yet he sadly declared: "Ye will not come to me that ye might have life." Men are now no more favorable to practical godliness; they are just as intently seeking earthly good, to the neglect of eternal riches. And reformers of the present day will meet with the same discouragements as did their Master.” {ST, January 28, 1886 par. 3}

 

Indifference and Neutrality in a Crisis: "If God abhors one sin above another, of which HIS PEOPLE are guilty, it is of doing nothing in a case of emergency. Indifference or neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 1, p. 136. Also, Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 281.

 

The once SDA church militant, that militated for pure truth, fell in 1955, to accept serious errors of the Evangelical churches in regard to the human nature of Christ come in the likeness of sinful flesh, the Atonement, the Sanctuary message, and the Godhead, and the correct version of the Human Nature of Christ, to later (1980) vote in General World Conference The Trinity Doctrine, which sweeps away the entire Christian economy.

 

Walter Veith, being a former Catholic, still accepts the Trinity Doctrine, which is Rome’s Central Doctrine on the Godhead. He cannot bring himself to believe how he could have been and still is in such serious error on the Godhead, so he pronounces all teaching by True Reformers as NONSENSE near the end of his video under discussion. This is NEUTRALITY IN THE GREATEST OMEGA HERESY CRISIS possible, for it involves the most fundamental beliefs of true Christians, THE GODHEAD.

 

Because Walter Veith does not understand the truth on this issue, he glibly sloughs it off as NONSENSE. This is MAJOR INDIFFERENCE IN A RELIGIOUS CRISIS, which ALL the dumb-dog’s of Isaiah 56:10-12 do not understand. They did not understand the truth on the
Godhead in the Alpha heresy. NONE OF THE MINISTERING BRETHREN seemed to understand, to wit:

 

Sanctuary Gone Atonement Gone -- "In a representation which passed before me, I saw a certain work being done by medical missionary workers. Our ministering brethren were looking on, watching what was being done, but they did not seem to understand. The foundation of our faith, which was established by so much prayer, such earnest searching of the Scriptures, was being taken down, pillar by pillar. Our faith was to have nothing to rest upon--the sanctuary was gone, the atonement was gone." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152.

 

If the ministering brethren did not understand what was being done in the Alpha heresy, it follows that they don’t understand what has transpired in the Omega heresy, when BOTH, involved/involve the Godhead.

 

"A new order of things has COME INTO the ministry. There is a desire to pattern after other churches and simplicity and humility are almost unknown. The young ministers seek to be original, and to introduce new ideas and new plans for labor. Some open revival meetings, and by this means call large numbers into the church. But when the excitement is over, where are the converted ones? Repentance and confession of sin are not seen. The sinner is entreated to believe in Christ and accept Him, without regard to his past life of sin and rebellion. The heart is not broken. There is no contrition of soul. The supposed converted ones have not fallen upon the Rock, Christ Jesus." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, pp. 18, 19.

I have to agree with Walter Veith that much of the discussion in the new movement on the Godhead and the human nature of Christ is NON-SENSE, but that does not negate the fact that error should be corrected, because error on these issues is automatically ANTICHRIST!

Be it known that what the new movement states on the Godhead in its baptismal vows, is far more than mere nonsense. It is antichrist theology. And Walter Veith, being a MEMBER of the new movement, is corporately responsible for what the new movement asserts on the Godhead and the human nature of Christ, as is Andrew Henriques and EVERY MEMBER of the new movement that has removed God.

Most SDA’s have no concept of what the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy teach on corporate responsibility. The following scholarly article by Miroslav Danihel, of Andrew’s University, in his Master’s Thesis, gives the Bible alone on corporate responsibility:

https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=theses

Ellen White on Corporate Responsibility

 

"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.

 

"The names of those who sin and refuse to repent should not be retained on the church books, lest the saints be held accountable for their evil deeds. Those who pursue a course of transgression should be visited and labored with, and if they then refuse to repent, they should be separated from church fellowship, in accordance with the rules laid down in the Word of God." {11MR 208.3}

 

"Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church..." E. G. White,  Christ's Object Lessons, 71.

 

What happens when the church leaders are the wolves who bring in “AMONG” the church, the apostasy?

 

Walter Veith says that the Reformers are Bleating Sheep

 

God’s Word says that the wolves are the leaders. When wolves surround a herd of sheep, even the sheep will bleat. Who does God identify as the wolves? The following biblical verses may give you a new meaning as to why Ellen White says that the greater threat is from WITHIN.

 

Eze 22:25   There is a conspiracy of her prophets [leaders] in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 

Eze 22:26   Her priests [LEADERS[ have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 

Eze 22:27   Her princes [leaders] in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 

Eze 22:28   And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 

Eze 22:29   The people of the land (now spiritual Jerusalem) have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. 

Eze 22:30   And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 

Eze 22:31   Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD. 

·       The broad dictionary word prophets in verse 25, means those who claim to represent God, the leaders. Like when I called B.B. Beach and reproved him for the church’s ecumenical liaisons, he told me I had better be careful how I talked to the PROPHETS, meaning he and his fellow leaders.

·       The prey are the members IN THE MIDST THEREOF. They are devoured by the apostasy of the wolf leaders.

·       The leaders have violated God’s law and have profaned holy things, pillar doctrines like the Godhead, the human nature of Christ, the Sanctuary, and the Atonement.

·       All the principles of God’s Law have been broken by violating all of the three angel’s messages and the pillar doctrines of historic Adventism. Break one and you break them all.

·       Teaching antichrist doctrines violates the first angel’s message to worship God. You cannot adopt and teach antichrist doctrines and worship God at the same time!

·       You cannot return to the iniquities of your forefathers (Babylon) to conspire with them and worship God as well. I refer to issues like the Godhead, the human nature of Christ, and the true gospel on overcoming all known sin, which the new movement says is impossible this side of glorification. In Walter Veith’s video on Ellen G. White, he and Francois Du Plessis marginalize the Bible’s and Ellen White’s admonition to be perfect.

·       All Veith’s co-pastors https://amazingdiscoveries.org/AD-about-our-speakers are corporately responsible for the same debauchery of the Word and the Spirit of Prophecy, while quoting “cherry picked” quotes by Ellen White that “seem” to support their one-sided use of the SOP. We deal with both types of EGW quotes and reckon them so that nothing contradicts as she instructed.

·       The princes are the leaders who God says are like wolves.

·       The wolves have made her many widows in the midst thereof, by removing the husband God, Jesus Christ, 1SM 205.

·       The treasure and precious things are the pure doctrines that the leaders have dispensed with, because Babylonian preacher Rick Warren told them in his book The purpose Driven Life, to dispense with doctrine because it divides the church.

·       Actually the Shaking is the result of disunity caused by the perversion of true doctrine in the church beginning in 1955, when the leaders held Evangelical Conferences with the Evangelicals Martin and Barnhouse, and agreed to change pillar doctrines of historic Adventism.

·       Verse 31 will be fulfilled when Ezekiel 9 is literally fulfilled BEGINNING AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY.

 

The Personality of God and Christ

 

As stated earlier, Walter Veith says in a number of his videos that ALL we should do is give the three angel’s messages, because that is our ONLY MISSION. I submit to you that Ellen White said that Isaiah 58 is our duty, and she said we should REPUDIATE the new movement. In the following statement, she said we must VINDICATE THE TRUTH.

 

“But it has been a most trying thing to see made of no effect the Word of the Lord in cautions and warnings regarding students not going to Battle Creek to obtain their education. The college was taken out of Battle Creek; yet students are still called there, and there they become indoctrinated with the very sentiments regarding the personality of God and Christ that would undermine the foundation of our faith. The sanctuary question, which means so much to the heavenly family and to the believers on earth, has been made as nothingness. This has been presented to me as that which would be done. We must vindicate the truth. {Lt72-1906.5}

 

In the following statement Ellen White strongly implies the DUTY of the watchmen to cry aloud to warn God’s people, the house of Jacob, of their sins and says that the DUMB-DOG WATCHMEN WILL NEVER AGAIN DO THIS:

 

Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.

 

The above statement begins on page 207, quoting Ezekiel 9.

 

·       Why will Walter Veith NEVER AGAIN lift up his voice like a trumpet to show God’s people their transgressions and the House of Jacob their sins? Is it because he is correct in saying our only focus and duty is THE THREE ANGEL’S MESSAGES? No! it is because Ellen White, the Spirit of Prophecy, prophesied that the dumb-dog watchmen would NEVER AGAIN life up their voice and BARK to show the House of Jacob its sins. Walter Veith is remarkably fulfilling Ellen White’s above prophecy!

 

·       All the above is why Ezekiel 9 SLAUGHTER BEGINS at the church, the Lord’s Sanctuary, the House of Jacob.

 

·       Some think Ezekiel 9 destruction is only for those who leave the church. That is not true. All who leave the MESSAGE will be destroyed in one of the two literal fulfillments of Ezekiel 9. Ezekiel 9 is fulfilled upon apostate Jerusalem, FIRST, and upon Babylon later, Great Controversy, p. 653-656. It involves corporate churches in both cases and not just individuals.

 

·       "In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people should have and what they should not have. These take away the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not the seal of the living God. All who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly afraid lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards." E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55.

 

·       This above statement is hugely important and teaching. Take special notice of these words:

·       In the very courts of the temple scenes will be enacted that few realize. (The church is involved, not just individuals).

·       God's wrath in vengeance will be executed IN THE VERY COURTS OF THE TEMPLE, against those who sit in the gate at Washington, deciding what you and I should have and what we should not have. God gave it to Ellen White FOR ALL OF US!

·       What they ellipse is so important that she says they take away the KEY OF KNOWLEDGE, faith that WORKS BY LOVE FOR CHRIST.

·       They refuse to enter the straight way and hinder those who do--the true Reformers.

·       They will never bear the seal of God. This shows that those who do not receive the seal of Ezekiel 9 will be slaughterd in the very courts of the Temple, and not just some who have LEFT the Temple.

·       It proves that God's vengeance will be executed at His Sanctuary, like 5T 211 says. Like Ezekiel 9:6 says: BEGIN AT MY SANCTUARY.

Eze 9:6   Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

·       Ellen White says in The Great Controversy, p. 25, that the Ezekiel 9 destruction of Jerusalem (the title of Chapter 1) was a PREFIGURE (TYPE—TYPOLOGY) of the terrors of the last great day. And in 5T 211, and Ezekeiel 9:6, we find that it all BEGINS at HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, THE HOUSE OF JACOB.

·       In A.D. 70, the type, it did not begin with INDIVIDUALS. It began with an apostate corporate body, the Temple.

 

·       What I am teaching is a most startling, and unpopular SHAKING MESSAGE. There is no shaking message in the new movement—only peace and safety. All the dumb-dog’s won’t bark to tell you this message. It comes from the True Reformers, as it has in every succeeding generation, Desire of Ages, 232.

 

·       The dumb-dog leaders, like Walter Veith, are shirking this duty to BARK, TO CRY ALOUD AND SHOW GOD’S PEOPLE THEIR SINS. He shirks from this DUTY, THE SHAKING MESSAGE, because it would not bring him the popular support he now receives which enables him to live on LAKE RESORT PROPERTY, with expensive log buildings and a plush log home.

 

·       Some who are crying aloud for all the abominations, are not teaching that all MEMBERS of the new movement are corporately responsible for all those abominations AS LONG AS THEY ARE MEMBERS. They are not teaching the crucial TYPOLOGY of Christ’s response to the apostasy of the Jewish church in His day.

 

·       It is no argument against the truth that there are few who are willing to accept it. Few accepted the world's Redeemer. Though the multitude flocked around him, eager to receive temporal blessings, yet he sadly declared: "Ye will not come to me that ye might have life." Men are now no more favorable to practical godliness; they are just as intently seeking earthly good, to the neglect of eternal riches. And reformers of the present day will meet with the same discouragements as did their Master.” {ST, January 28, 1886 par. 3}

The fellowship of priestcraft [the ministerial leadership of which Veith is one], has crafted a one-sided presentation of “cherry picked” E.G. White statements, that have been used to brainwash and hypnotize the laity into believing that God needs the apostate new movement they call “church,” because He is destitute, since Laodicea is the last church in their estimation, when Ellen White says that ALL THE MESSAGES to the seven churches apply TO THE END OF TIME.

Definition of priestcraft https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/priestcraft

 

1 : professional knowledge and skill in respect to the exercise of priestly functions

2 : the scheming and machinations of priests : priestly intriguing 

The priest crafters INCLUDING ANDREW HENRIQUES, don’t give the rest of the story as portrayed by Ellen White, when she clearly prophesied the final fate of the church which they craftily conceal. Here is that prophesied fate Walter Veith and the rest of the dumb-dog false watchmen will never present to you. WHY IS IT THAT THEY NEVER SPEAK OF THESE STATEMENTS

 

“I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out. While we will endeavor to keep the "unity of the Spirit" in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry.”--EGW '88 356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}

 

Only "dumb-dog" watchmen would place the following statement immediately after the above one ON THE SAME PAGE:

The following statement is presented just as it appears in its reference. All bracketed portions are just as Ellen White inserted them.  The red print is by the leaders.  What a lie.  and notice the very next statement right below this one that appears on the SAME PAGE.  What could be more expressive of a lack of confidence in the SDA church militant than for Ellen White to say it will be brought down to hell!

“Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day." Ellen G. White, Review and Herald Articles, Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}

No Time to Haul Down Our Colors

It is the new movement that has hauled down the colors—pillar doctrines.

Church Brought Into Harmony BY THE SOP Before the End

A NEW MOVEMENT THAT HAS REMOVED GOD, that will NEVER AGAIN show God’s people their sins, will not be brought into harmony for the apostasy will wax stronger to the end and when the danger of the church is greatest, the apostate church will be doing after the manner of the world. 5T 209.

At minute 1:15:36, Veith says that there is much NONSENSE being preached on the Godhead. That is true, but that does not negate that there is PRESENT TRUTH on the Godhead, and the church he defends is teaching antichrist heresy on the Godhead.

 

During ages of spiritual darkness the church of God has been as a city set on a hill. From age to age, through successive generations, the pure doctrines of heaven have been unfolding within its borders. Enfeebled and defective as it may appear, the church is the one object upon which God bestows in a special sense His supreme regard. It is the theater of His grace, in which He delights to reveal His power to transform hearts. {AA 12.1}

 

The church is God’s fortress, His city of refuge, which He holds in a revolted world. Any betrayal of the church is treachery to Him who has bought mankind with the blood of His only-begotten Son. From the beginning, faithful souls have constituted the church on earth. In every age the Lord has had His watchmen, who have borne a faithful testimony to the generation in which they lived. These sentinels gave the message of warning; and when they were called to lay off their armor, others took up the work. God brought these witnesses into covenant relation with Himself, uniting the church on earth with the church in heaven. He has sent forth His angels to minister to His church, and the gates of hell have not been able to prevail against His people. {AA 11.2}

 

Through centuries of persecution, conflict, and darkness, God has sustained His church. Not one cloud has fallen upon it that He has not prepared for; not one opposing force has risen to counterwork His work, that He has not foreseen. All has taken place as He predicted. He has not left His church forsaken, but has traced in prophetic declarations what would occur, and that which His Spirit inspired the prophets to foretell has been brought about. All His purposes will be fulfilled. His law is linked with His throne, and no power of evil can destroy it. Truth is inspired and guarded by God; and it will triumph over all opposition. {AA 11.3}

 

During ages of spiritual darkness the church of God has been as a city set on a hill. From age to age, through successive generations, the pure doctrines of heaven have been unfolding within its borders. Enfeebled and defective as it may appear, the church is the one object upon which God bestows in a special sense His supreme regard. It is the theater of His grace, in which He delights to reveal His power to transform hearts. {AA 12.1}

 

God’s Promises Were Conditional Until the Church Committed Unpardonable Sin by Teaching Antichrist Doctrine

 

The angels of God in their messages to men represent time as very short. [See Romans 13:11, 12; 1 Corinthians 7:29; 1 Thessalonians 4:15, 17; Hebrews 10:25; James 5:8, 9; 1 Peter 4:7; Revelation 22:6, 7.] Thus it has always been presented to me. It is true that time has continued longer than we expected in the early days of this message. Our Saviour did not appear as soon as we hoped. But has the Word of the Lord failed? Never! It should be remembered that the promises and threatenings of God are alike conditional. [See Jeremiah 18:7-10; Jonah 3:4-10.]... {LDE 38.3}

 

We may have to remain here in this world because of insubordination many more years, as did the children of Israel, but for Christ’s sake His people should not add sin to sin by charging God with the consequence of their own wrong course of action.—Evangelism, 695, 696 (1901). {LDE 39.1}

 

Chapter 4—God’s Last Day Church

 

God’s People Keep His Commandments

 

God has a church on earth who are lifting up the downtrodden law, and presenting to the world the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.... {LDE 43.1}

 

There is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places.... {LDE 43.2}

 

Let all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given of the remnant people, who keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus.... God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God.... My brother, if you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 50, 58, 59 (1893). [The book of Revelation focuses on two sets of God’s people—the visible remnant (12:17) and “My people” in Babylon (18:4).

 

This chapter deals with the former, and chapter 14, “The Loud Cry,” deals with the latter.] {LDE 43.3}

 

They Have the Testimony of Jesus

 

As the end draws near and the work of giving the last warning to the world extends, it becomes more important for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of the nature and influence of the testimonies, which God in His providence has linked with the work of the third angel’s message from its very rise.—Testimonies for the Church 5:654 (1889). {LDE 44.1}

 

Men may get up scheme after scheme and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White and has given her a message will be safe from the many delusions that will come in these last days.—Selected Messages 3:83, 84 (1906). {LDE 44.2}

There will be those who will claim to have visions. When God gives you clear evidence that the vision is from Him, you may accept it, but do not accept it on any other evidence, for people are going to be led more and more astray in foreign countries and in America.—Selected Messages 2:72 (1905). {LDE 44.3}

 

Their “Landmark” Biblical Doctrines

 

The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God’s people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels’ messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, “The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God’s law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks.—Counsels to Writers and Editors, 30, 31 (1889). {LDE 44.4}

 

The Distinctive Mission of Seventh-day Adventists

 

The Lord has made us the depositaries of His law; He has committed to us sacred and eternal truth, which is to be given to others in faithful warnings, reproofs, and encouragement.—Testimonies for the Church 5:381 (1885). {LDE 45.1}

 

Seventh-day Adventists have been chosen by God as a peculiar people, separate from the world. By the great cleaver of truth He has cut them out from the quarry of the world and brought them into connection with Himself. He has made them His representatives and has called them to be ambassadors for Him in the last work of salvation. The greatest wealth of truth ever entrusted to mortals, the most solemn and fearful warnings ever sent by God to man, have been committed to them to be given to the world.—Testimonies for the Church 7:138 (1902). {LDE 45.2}

 

In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the Word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import—the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels’ messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention.—Testimonies for the Church 9:19 (1909). {LDE 45.3}

 

Reasons Why the Seventh-day Adventist Church Was Organized

 

As our numbers increased it was evident that without some form of organization there would be great confusion, and the work would not be carried forward successfully. To provide for the support of the ministry, for carrying the work in new fields, for protecting both the churches and the ministry from unworthy members, for holding church property, for the publication of the truth through the press, and for many other objects, organization was indispensable.... {LDE 46.1}

 

Light was given by His Spirit that there must be order and thorough discipline in the church—that organization was essential. System and order are manifest in all the works of God throughout the universe. Order is the law of heaven, and it should be the law of God’s people on the earth.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 26 (1902). {LDE 46.2}

 

Organization Will Always Be Essential

 

Unless the churches are so organized that they can carry out and enforce order, they have nothing to hope for in the future.—Testimonies For The Church 1:270 (1862). {LDE 46.3}

 

Christ takes the reins in His own hands and uses His True Reformer Bride, as His disciples were His bride, DA 179. Are they disorganized when it is the voice of God and the voice of this bride that awakens the 10 virgins at the end-time.

 

Oh, how Satan would rejoice if he could succeed in his efforts to get in among this people and disorganize the work at a time when thorough organization is essential and will be the greatest power to keep out spurious uprisings and to refute claims not endorsed by the Word of God! We want to hold the lines evenly, that there shall be no breaking down of the system of organization and order that has been built up by wise, careful labor. License must not be given to disorderly elements that desire to control the work at this time. {LDE 47.1}

 

Some have advanced the thought that, as we near the close of time, every child of God will act independently of any religious organization. But I have been instructed by the Lord that in this work there is no such thing as every man’s being independent. [From manuscript read before the delegates at the General Conference Session, Washington, D.C., May 30, 1909.]—Testimonies for the Church 9:257, 258 (1909). {LDE 47.2}

 

Many have an idea that they are responsible to Christ alone for their light and experience, independent of His recognized followers on earth. Jesus is the friend of sinners, and His heart is touched with their woe. He has all power, both in heaven and on earth; but He respects the means that He has ordained for the enlightenment and salvation of men; He directs sinners to the church, which He has made a channel of light to the world. {AA 122.3}

 

Ron’s Commentary: Because the leaders like Walter Veith will not admit that an omega of apostasy new movement that has removed God is in place, they cannot see that it is THEY who violate the above statement. 1SM 205 says “GOD BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless.”

 

QUESTIONS:

·       If God and pillar doctrines have been removed, as Ellen White states, is it not the new movement that is moving INDEPENDENT OF CHRIST’S TRUE REFORMER FOLLOWERS ON EARTH?

·       Ellen White said that when God is removed, dependence is placed on man. That is what Walter Veith and every other leader in the once “church” is doing, relying on man and their own personal opinion. They certainly are not following Christ by removing Him, and forming a new movement AMONG themselves.

·       Every time you hear Walter Veith or some other leader mention INDEPENDENT MINISTRIES, think of the new movement THEY REPRESENT THAT FORMED WITHIN, “AMONG” THE CHURCH, AND REMOVED GOD.

·       Thus, men like Walter Veith are guilty of everything they cite against those who will not join ANY new movement, EVEN ONE FORMED “AMONG”, WITHIN, the once church militant.

·       Any valid church militant militates for truth, but the new movement is now militating for antichrist error, which Water Veith brushes off as NONSENSE! There will be a big price for that, called Ezekiel 9 destruction.

 

Which is the worst state? God being removed, or working as Home Churches where Christ is present?

 

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.

 

“Those who keep God’s Commandments, those who live not by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God, compose the church of the living God.” (Ms. 24, 1891, in Manuscript Releases, vol. 19, p. 242)

 

MEMBERSHIP IN A CHURCH

 

“God calls the church His body. The church is the bride, the Lamb’s wife. God is the Father of the family, the Shepherd of the flock. But a mere outward connection with any church will not save a man. It is personal faith in a personal Saviour which brings the soul into spiritual union with Christ.” (Ms. 121, 1899, in Manuscript Releases, vol. 16, p. 277)

 

 

"The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be established. Books of a NEW ORDER would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the NEW MOVEMENT. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but GOD BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. 

Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] movement? We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth? E.G. White, Selected Messages,  Bk. 1, 204, 205.

 

What Constitutes a Church Militant? God’s Church?

 

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.

 

Christ’s PRESENCE has been REMOVED from the new movement formed “AMONG” the sleeping Laodiceans. The only other master is Satan. That new movement is run by Satan, so it is now the Synagogue of Satan, just as Christ branded the apostate Jewish church. This is why the voice of God and the bride give the Loud Cry, and not an imposter new movement. Men like Walter Veith and the other leaders fully believe that God needs an apostate church that has removed Him. Nothing could be further from the truth. God wanted the church but they refused His conditions. Likely, Walter Veith will NEVER SHOW YOU the following prophesied fate of the church by Ellen G. White:

 

Origin

pro·lep·sis

/proʊˈlɛpsɪs/ Show prolepsis Spelled[proh-lep-sis] Show IPA

noun, plural pro·lep·ses /-siz/ Show Spelled[-seez] Show IPA.

1. Rhetoric . the anticipation of possible objections in order to answer them in advance.

2. the assigning of a person, event, etc., to a period earlier than the actual one; the representation of something in the future as if it already existed or had occurred; prochronism.

3. the use of a descriptive word in anticipation of its becoming applicable.

4. a fundamental conception or assumption in Epicureanism or Stoicism arising spontaneously in the mind without conscious reflection; thought provoked by sense perception.

5. Pathology . the return of an attack of a periodic disease or of a paroxysm before the expected time or at progressively shorter intervals.

 

PROLEPSIS PROPHETIC STATEMENT:

Here is the Spirit of Prophecy prophesied prolepsis statement regarding the final fate of that once Noble Ship. This is a major LYNCHPIN to my warning message. Can you explain it away? Are you a passenger on this once NOBLE SHIP, that is about to sink to rise no more? NOTICE

WHO SEPARATES FROM WHOM:

 

"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message,  symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

 

 Note these important delineations in the above statement:

·       Ellen White is addressing HIS PEOPLE.

·       Ellen White is addressing those to whom God committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of Revelation 14.

·       Ellen White is defining the angel represented in prophecy as symbolizing a class of faithful men.

·       Ellen White is saying emphatically that the final Loud Cry message is delivered NOT BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men, because the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused light from heaven!

·       Ellen White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN BABYLON!

·       Twice Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.

·       It is the MEMBERS of said church that SEPARATE FROM GOD, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEPARATE FROM THEM OR BE CORPORATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR APOSTASY.

·       The above reasons are why there is another coming out of a faithful remnant FROM APOSTATE JERUSALEM AS WELL AS FALLEN BABYLON.

·       Isa 37:31   And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 

·       Isa 37:32   For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this. 

Ellen White is addressing a BACKSLIDING CHURCH whose leaders and laity alike failed and rejected light from heaven and who refused to comply with the conditions so that God's promises are not fulfilled to them. Consider the following commentary on the 1884 Great Controversy that the above statement is quoted from:

“Consider for a few moments the chapter in the first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV, published by Pacific Press in 1884. In Chapter XXVII, ‘The Snares of Satan,’ you find that about four pages in the latter part of the chapter were omitted from the later editions of Great Controversy. These four pages are to be found in Testimonies to Ministers, pages 472 to 475. The information contained in these four pages is very valuable to Seventh-day Adventists and was very appropriately included in the first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV, which when it was published was like the other volumes considered to be A MESSAGE ESPECIALLY TO SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS, and to [all] Christian people sympathizing with them in beliefs and aims.” W. C. White, Selected Messages, Appendix C, pp. 452, 453.

In the Literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 example of apostate Israel, (A. D. 27-70) all the good left the apostate Jewish church, the Synagogue of Satan. Ezekiel 22:17-31. In the next LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, the good leave the bad and the apostate church is destroyed:

Isa 37:31   And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 

Isa 37:32   For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

 

Walter Veith does not believe in REPUDIATING the new movement and its removal of pillar doctrine. He often refers to marching orders, as though the mission of giving the three angels’ messages is our only responsibility. But the three angel’s messages include FAR MORE THAN MOST MINISTERS ADMIT:

 

Not All Our Ministers Understand What Constitutes the Three Angel’s Message

 

"The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers [the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and then the World Council of Churches, in 1948] began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform [Ecumenical] movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message [the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this time." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 714, 715.

 

OUR MARCHING ORDERS

 

Walter Veith often refers to “our marching orders.” He limits them to the three angel’s messages, and THEN he does not understand how the new movement is violating those messages.

 

God has shown me the following marching orders to His people. Think of these every time you hear Walter Veith say that we should give only the three angel’s messages.

·       Ellen White says that the three angel’s messages are righteousness by faith in verity. So the people need to understand all that righteousness by faith entails and be able to distinguish between unpardonable sin and grace as pardon AND power. Rom. 1:5.

·       The First Angel’s message instructs us to worship God. The truth on the Godhead is necessary to know whom we worship.

·       God’s Word in Isa. 8:9-12 forbids ASSOCIATION in Babylon’s ASSOCIATIONS, COUNILS/COUNSELS, GIRDINGS AND CONFEDERACIES/CONSPIRACIES.

·       The giving of the health message which is the right arm of the gospel.

·       God’s Word and Ellen White teach corporate responsibility.

·       Corporate responsibility from the Bible alone: https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=theses

·       Walter Veith does not understand how the Trinity Doctrine sweeps away the entire Christian economy, and he is not interested in finding out.

·       The truth on the human nature of Christ is vital because the error taught by the new movement is antichrist.

·       Ecumenical matters are regarded by some, like Veith, as NONSENSE, because he says we should focus on the three angel’s messages ONLY. Exposing the Antichrist Trinity Doctrine is NONSENSE according to Veith. Sighing and crying about all the abominations is NONSENSE to him.

·       Ellen White said that Isaiah 58, CRYING ALOUD TO SHOW GOD’S PEOPLE THEIR SINS is our work. Veith says no!

·       Ezekiel 9 and Ellen White say that only those who SIGH AND CRY will receive the mark of the Man in Linen:

·       “Mark this point with care; those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by the man in linen, are those "that sigh and cry for all the abominations that are done" in the church. Their love for purity and the honor and glory of God is such, and they have so clear a view of the exceeding sinfulness of sin, that they are represented as being in an agony, even sighing and crying.” {RH, June 8, 1886 par. 2}

·       “But the general slaughter of all those who do not thus see the wide contrast between sin and righteousness, and do not feel as those do who stand in the counsel of God and receive the mark, is described in the order to the five men with slaughter weapons: "Go ye after him through the city, and smite; let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity; slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women; but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary." {RH, June 8, 1886 par. 3}

·       Giving the Straight Testimony that causes the Shaking whether they will hear or forbear, Ezekiel 3:18, 19:

Eze 3:18   When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 

Eze 3:19   Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

·       Veith quotes the following statement, but surely does not begin to live up to it, in that he does not confirm the MARCHING ORDERS spelled out above, and denounces those who do.

·       “As the end draws near and the work of giving the last warning to the world extends, it becomes more important for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of the nature and influence of the Testimonies, which God in His providence has linked with the work of the third angel’s message from its very rise. In the following pages are given extracts from what I have written during the last forty years, relating to my own early experience in this special work, and also presenting what God has shown me concerning the nature and importance of the Testimonies, the manner in which they are given, and how they should be regarded.” {5T 654.2}

 

As we near the final crisis, instead of feeling that there is less need of order and harmony of action, we should be more systematic than heretofore.—Selected Messages 3:26 (1892). {LDE 47.3}

 

The Special Authority of God’s Church

 

God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising, for in so doing he despises the voice of God.—Testimonies for the Church 3:417 (1875). {LDE 47.4}

 

God has bestowed the highest power under heaven upon His church. It is the voice of God in His united people in church capacity which is to be respected.—Testimonies for the Church 3:451 (1875). {LDE 47.5}

 

TIME, PLACE, CIRCUMSTANCE

 

The following statements which the leaders like Walter Veith never cite, show the importance of taking ALL THE WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE according to TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE:

 

The voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.—Manuscript Releases 17:185 (1896). {LDE 50.2}

 

It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.—Manuscript Releases 17:216 (1898). {LDE 50.3}

 

That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be—that is past.—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p. 25. {LDE 50.4}

 

A Time of Spiritual Weakness and Blindness

 

“I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out.

 

The leaders insert the following explanation about the above statement: [This is the only known statement from the pen of Ellen White indicating that she might have lost confidence in the Seventh-day Adventist Church organization. The doubt which she expressed here was never repeated during the remaining twenty-six years of her life.] While we will endeavor to keep the “unity of the Spirit” in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry.—The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, 356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}

 

That explanation simply IS NOT TRUE. Ellen White said in 1909 that Ezekiel 9 would be literally fulfilled again.

 

Study Ezekiel 9  "Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.

 

“The ruin of Jerusalem was a symbol of the final ruin that shall overwhelm the world. The prophecies that received a partial fulfillment in the overthrow of Jerusalem have a more direct application to the last days. We are now standing on the threshold of great and solemn events. A crisis is before us, such as the world has never witnessed. ” Thoughts From the Mount of Blessing, pp. 120, 121.

 

“The time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1903.

 

Ellen White said that ALL the ancient prophets wrote more for us than the Jews. That includes the following verses from Isaiah wherein God’s Word says that there will be another coming out of a REMNANT from Jerusalem, in addition to the Bible’s call out of Babylon.

 

Isa 37:31   And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 

Isa 37:32   For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this. 

 

 "The Bible for Our Time.--Never are we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of the ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that their prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which things the angels desire to look into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 3, p. 338.

 

The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880:  “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.” 

 

“The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with impunity.”  Prophets and Kings, 416.   

 

Prophets and Kings was published in 1914: https://library.swau.edu/adventist_heritage/ellen_white/egw_chronology.php

 

"In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people should have and what they should not have. These take away the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not the seal of the living God. All who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly afraid lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards." E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55.

 

“Christ foretold the destruction of Jerusalem, as well as of the temple. His words were spoken in the hearing of a large number of people; but when He was again alone, Peter, James, John, and Andrew came to Him, saying, “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus did not answer His disciples by taking up separately the destruction of Jerusalem, and the last great day of His coming. The city of Jerusalem represented the world, and the utterances regarding its destruction are to be connected with the world’s more terrible destruction. In speaking of Jerusalem, His prophetic words reached beyond that event to the conflagration that will take place in that day when the Lord shall rise “out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity.” The description of the two events is mingled, and the entire subject is a warning to those who shall live in the last scenes of earth’s history....The events that took place at the overthrow of Jerusalem will be repeated.” {ST February 20, 1901}

 

Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, “But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”—The Review and Herald, August 1, 1893. [The bracketed comments are by Ellen White.] {LDE 48.2}

 

“The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.—Notebook Leaflets 1:99 (1898). {LDE 49.1}

 

Ron’s Commentary: God says that the gates of hell will not prevail against His church. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

Ellen White says in the further up statement that Seventh-day Adventists who have great light, which are exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell. In the following statement she says why: but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them." 

 

So why does everyone say the church is going through as the ship when the people depart from God, separate themselves from His love, and REFUSE TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS so His promises WERE NOT FULFILLED TO THEM? Why does Walter Veith and the other leaders not give the FULL TRUTH on these serious issues?

In the Literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 example of apostate Israel, (A. D. 27-70) all the good left the apostate Jewish church, the Synagogue of Satan. The bad were gathered into the midst of the apostate Temple, Ezekiel 22:17-31. In the next LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, the good leave the bad and the apostate church is destroyed:

Isa 37:31   And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 

Isa 37:32   For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

Now back to the statements you quoted about the church. Ellen White was referring to the final true remnant of SDA’s. The church militant is not the remnant church. Like the Jewish “chosen people” church, it was supposed to be the remnant, but like the Jewish church, it has committed abomination apostasy. So the faithful once more will go forth OUT OF (SDA Spiritual) JERUSALEM, AS WELL AS OUT OF BABYLON, because both are apostate.

 

The following two statements are not included in Last Day Events to round out the picture:

 

 "The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E. G. White,  Review and Herald Articles,  Vol. 2, 420, 8/19/1890. 

 

"To the end of time, the presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.

 

Is it NORMAL to enquire:

1.    If Laodicea is the final church that goes through, as SDA leaders falsely teach, why does Ellen White say that Laodicea is the foolish virgin state of that church?

2.    Why does Walter Veith always stress that THE CHURCH IS GOING THROUGH, rather than the MESSAGE?

3.    What Does it mean when Ellen White said:  "The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E. G. White,  Review and Herald Articles,  Vol. 2, 420, 8/19/1890. 

"To the end of time, the presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.

“The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.—Notebook Leaflets 1:99 (1898). {LDE 49.1}

 

Abuse of Power at Church Headquarters

 

The General Conference is itself becoming corrupted with wrong sentiments and principles.... {LDE 49.2}

 

Men have taken unfair advantage of those whom they supposed to be under their jurisdiction. They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they would rule or ruin.... {LDE 49.3}

 

The high-handed power that has been developed, as though position has made men gods, makes me afraid, and ought to cause fear. It is a curse wherever and by whomsoever it is exercised.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 359-361 (1895). {LDE 49.4}

 

There are altogether too many weighty responsibilities given to a few men, and some do not make God their Counselor. What do these men know of the necessities of the work in foreign countries? How can they know how to decide the questions which come to them asking for information? It would require three months for those in foreign countries to receive a response to their questions, even if there was no delay in writing.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 321 (1896). {LDE 49.5}

 

Those living in distant countries will not do that which their judgment tells them is right unless they first send for permission to Battle Creek. Before they will advance they await Yes or No from that place.—Special Testimonies, Series A 9:32 (1896). {LDE 49.6}

 

It is not wise to choose one man as president of the General Conference. The work of the General Conference has extended, and some things have been made unnecessarily complicated. A want of discernment has been shown. There should be a division of the field, or some other plan should be devised to change the present order of things.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 342 (1896). [The Seventh-day Adventist Church was organized in 1863 with 3,500 members, half a dozen local conferences, about thirty ministerial laborers, and a General Conference Committee of three. The General Conference president was well able to provide the leadership and counsel required by such a small organization. He could personally attend every important meeting and in addition give personal attention to much of the business connected with the publishing work. However, by 1896 the work of the church had greatly expanded in the United States, and extended to Europe, Australia, and Africa as well. It was no longer possible for one man to give adequate supervision and direction to such a widespreading work. Ellen White urged a division of the field, so that our church members around the world would not look to just one man for counsel. This was accomplished by the creation of union conferences and world divisions.] {LDE 50.1}

 

Unwise Leaders Do Not Speak for God

 

“The voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.”—Manuscript Releases 17:185 (1896). {LDE 50.2}

 

“It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.”—Manuscript Releases 17:216 (1898). {LDE 50.3}

 

“That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be—that is past.”—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p. 25. {LDE 50.4}

 

A New Denomination Not Needed

 

When Jesus and His followers separated from the apostate church organization of His day, they did not begin a new denomination. They merely upheld the original instructions God gave to His church, and that is all True Reformers do today.

 

You will take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the shaking among God’s people, and you will talk of a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy.... Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them, we would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has ever been witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan wants.—Selected Messages 1:179 (1890). {LDE 51.1}

 

The Lord has not given you a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out of her. All the reasons you may present cannot have weight with me on this subject, because the Lord has given me decided light that is opposed to such a message.... {LDE 51.2}

 

I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.—Selected Messages 2:63, 68, 69 (1893). {LDE 51.3}

 

I tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will work.... When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God’s commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.—Selected Messages 3:17, 18 (1893). {LDE 51.4}

 

God Will Set Everything in Order

 

If you believe God setting everything in order changes the apostate new movement from bad to good, is that what happened to the apostate organization of Christ’s day which Ellen White said was a PREFIGURE of His end-time church, 5T 211, which begins on p. 207, quoting Ezekiel 9.

 

There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the work God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port.—Selected Messages 2:390 (1892). {LDE 52.1}

 

Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective members, that there are tares amid the wheat.... Although there are evils existing in the church, and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church, enfeebled and defective, needing to be reproved, warned, and counseled, is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 45, 49 (1893). {LDE 52.2}

 

The bulwarks of Satan will never triumph. Victory will attend the third angel’s message. As the Captain of the Lord’s host tore down the walls of Jericho, so will the Lord’s commandment-keeping people triumph, and all opposing elements be defeated.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 410 (1898). {LDE 52.3}

 

Distribution of Responsibility Urged

 

What we want now is a reorganization. We want to begin at the foundation, and to build upon a different principle.... {LDE 53.1}

 

Here are men who are standing at the head of our various institutions, of the educational interests, and of the conferences in different localities and in different States. All these are to stand as representative men, to have a voice in molding and fashioning the plans that shall be carried out. There are to be more than one or two or three men to consider the whole vast field. The work is great, and there is no one human mind that can plan for the work which needs to be done.... {LDE 53.2}

 

Now I want to say, God has not put any kingly power in our ranks to control this or that branch of the work. The work has been greatly restricted by the efforts to control it in every line.... There must be a renovation, a reorganization; a power and strength must be brought into the committees that are necessary.” [From Ellen White’s opening address on April 2, 1901, to the General Conference Session in Battle Creek.]—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, pp. 25, 26. {LDE 53.3}

 

New Conferences must be formed. It was in the order of God that the Union conference was organized in Australasia.... It is not necessary to send thousands of miles to Battle Creek for advice, and then have to wait weeks for an answer. Those who are right on the ground are to decide what shall be done.—The General Conference Bulletin, April 5, 1901, pp. 69, 70. {LDE 53.4}

 

The 1901 General Conference Session Responds

 

Who do you suppose has been among us since this Conference began? Who has kept away the objectionable features that generally appear in such a meeting? Who has walked up and down the aisles of this Tabernacle? The God of heaven and His angels. And they did not come here to tear you in pieces, but to give you right and peaceable minds. They have been among us to work the works of God, to keep back the powers of darkness, that the work God designed should be done should not be hindered. The angels of God have been working among us.... {LDE 54.1}

 

I was never more astonished in my life than at the turn things have taken at this meeting. This is not our work. God has brought it about. Instruction regarding this was presented to me, but until the sum was worked out at this meeting I could not comprehend this instruction. God’s angels have been walking up and down in this congregation. I want every one of you to remember this, and I want you to remember also that God has said that He will heal the wounds of His people.—The General Conference Bulletin, April 25, 1901, pp. 463, 464. {LDE 54.2}

 

During the General Conference the Lord wrought mightily for His people. Every time I think of that meeting, a sweet solemnity comes over me, and sends a glow of gratitude to my soul. We have seen the stately steppings of the Lord our Redeemer. We praise His holy name, for He has brought deliverance to His people.—The Review and Herald, November 26, 1901. {LDE 54.3}

 

It has been a necessity to organize union conferences, that the General Conference shall not exercise dictation over all the separate conferences. The power vested in the Conference is not to be centered in one man, or two men, or six men; there is to be a council of men over the separate divisions.—Manuscript 26, 1903 (April 3). [For further information regarding organizational changes made at the 1901 General Conference Session see the Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopedia (Vol. 10 of the Commentary Reference Series), Revised Edition, pp. 1050-1053.] {LDE 55.1}

 

Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed (TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE MUST BE CONSIDERED)

 

We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.—Selected Messages 2:390 (1905). {LDE 55.2}

 

In 1955, the once SDA church militant, stepped off the foundation laid by the pioneers and indeed did form a new organization that meant APOSTASY FROM THE TRUTH.

 

I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.—Selected Messages 2:397 (1908). {LDE 55.3}

 

God’s True Church will stand PERFECTLY UNITED IN THE SPIRIT AND COUNSEL OF THE LORD OF HOSTS TO THE END OF TIME. But if you think the new movement is PERFECTLY UNITED, you are very wrong. The latest disunity in the new movement is an authority war. George R. Knight has written a new book on this entitled Adventist Authority Wars. The church has been very ununited since 1955, when it began its trek into unpardonable sin antichrist apostasy.

 

At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God’s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected. {LDE 55.4}

 

God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work.—Testimonies for the Church 9:260, 261 (1909). {LDE 56.1}

 

God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising, for he who does this despises the voice of God.—The Acts of the Apostles, 164 (1911). {LDE 56.2}

 

I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding His people and that He will continue to be with them, even to the end.—Selected Messages 2:406 (1913). [From Ellen White’s final message to the Seventh-day Adventist Church in General Conference Session. These reassuring words were read to the session by the General Conference president, A. G. Daniells, on May 27, 1913.] {LDE 56.3}

 

A Statement by W. C. White

 

I told her [Mrs. Lida Scott] how Mother regarded the experience of the remnant church, and of her positive teaching that God would not permit this denomination to so fully apostatize that there would be the coming out of another church.—W. C. White to E. E. Andross, May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File. {LDE 56.4}

 

The above “hearsay” statement by Willie White, would contradict many statements by Ellen White, like the one that Ezekiel 9 will BEGIN AT HIS SANCTUARY, HIS CHURCH, THE HOUSE OF JACOB, 5T 211, which chapter begins on p. 207, quoting Ezekiel 9. It would also contradict the Bible in Isaiah 37:31, 32, which Ellen White said was written more for us than the Jews.

 

Spiritual Revival Still Needed

 

One day at noon I was writing of the work that might have been done at the last [1901] General Conference if the men in positions of trust had followed the will and way of God. Those who have had great light have not walked in the light. The meeting was closed, and the break was not made. Men did not humble themselves before the Lord as they should have done, and the Holy Spirit was not imparted. {LDE 57.1}

 

I had written thus far when I lost consciousness, and I seemed to be witnessing a scene in Battle Creek. {LDE 57.2}

 

We were assembled in the auditorium of the Tabernacle. Prayer was offered, a hymn was sung, and prayer was again offered. Most earnest supplication was made to God. The meeting was marked by the presence of the Holy Spirit.... {LDE 57.3}

 

No one seemed to be too proud to make heartfelt confession, and those who led in this work were the ones who had influence, but had not before had courage to confess their sins. {LDE 57.4}

 

There was rejoicing such as never before had been heard in the Tabernacle. {LDE 57.5}

 

Then I aroused from my unconsciousness, and for a while could not think where I was. My pen was still in my hand. The words were spoken to me: “This might have been. All this the Lord was waiting to do for His people. All heaven was waiting to be gracious.” I thought of where we might have been had thorough work been done at the last General Conference.—Testimonies for the Church 8:104-106 (January 5, 1903). {LDE 57.6}

 

I have been deeply impressed by scenes that have recently passed before me in the night season. There seemed to be a great movement—a work of revival—going forward in many places. Our people were moving into line, responding to God’s call.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 515 (1913). [From Ellen White’s first message to the General Conference Session of 1913.] {LDE 58.1}

 

The Patience of God With His People

 

The church has failed, sadly failed, to meet the expectations of her Redeemer, and yet the Lord does not withdraw Himself from His people. He bears with them still, not because of any goodness found in them, but that His name may not be dishonored before the enemies of truth and righteousness, that the satanic agencies may not triumph in the destruction of God’s people. He has borne long with their waywardness, unbelief and folly. With wonderful forbearance and compassion He has disciplined them. If they will heed His instruction He will cleanse away their perverse tendencies, saving them with an everlasting salvation and making them eternal monuments of the power of His grace.—The Signs of the Times, November 13, 1901. {LDE 58.2}

 

We should remember that the church, enfeebled and defective though it be, is the only object on earth on which Christ bestows His supreme regard. He is constantly watching it with solicitude, and is strengthening it by His Holy Spirit.—Selected Messages 2:396 (1902). {LDE 58.3}

 

God Works With Those Who Are Faithful to Him

 

The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. {LDE 59.1}

 

When a church proves unfaithful to the word of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.—Manuscript Releases 14:102 (1903). {LDE 59.2}

 

Judged by the Light Bestowed

 

In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. If her spiritual experience does not correspond to the advantages that Christ, at infinite cost, has bestowed on her, if the blessings conferred have not qualified her to do the work entrusted to her, on her will be pronounced the sentence: “Found wanting.” By the light bestowed, the opportunities given, will she be judged.... {LDE 59.3}

 

Solemn admonitions of warning, manifest in the destruction of dearly cherished facilities [The Battle Creek Sanitarium, the largest and best-known Adventist institution in the world, burned to the ground February 18, 1902. this was followed by the destruction of the Review and Herald Publishing Association, also by fire, on December 30, 1902.] for service, say to us: “Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works” (Revelation 2:5).... {LDE 60.1}

 

Unless the church, which is now being leavened with her own backsliding, shall repent and be converted, she will eat of the fruit of her own doing, until she shall abhor herself. When she resists the evil and chooses the good, when she seeks God with all humility and reaches her high calling in Christ, standing on the platform of eternal truth and by faith laying hold upon the attainments prepared for her, she will be healed. She will appear in her God-given simplicity and purity, separate from earthly entanglements, showing that the truth has made her free indeed. Then her members will indeed be the chosen of God, His representatives.—Testimonies for the Church 8:247-251 (April 21, 1903). {LDE 60.2}

 

Israel’s History a Warning to Us

 

In these last days God’s people will be exposed to the very same dangers as were ancient Israel. Those who will not receive the warnings that God gives will fall into the same perils as did ancient Israel and come short of entering into rest through unbelief. Ancient Israel suffered calamities on account of their unsanctified hearts and unsubmitted wills. Their final rejection as a nation was a result of their own unbelief, self-confidence, impenitence, blindness of mind, and hardness of heart. In their history we have a danger signal lifted before us.{LDE 60.3}

 

“Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.... For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end” (Hebrews 3:12, 14).—Letter 30, 1895. {LDE 61.1}

 

The Church Militant Is Imperfect

 

The church militant is not the church triumphant, and earth is not heaven. The church is composed of erring, imperfect men and women, who are but learners in the school of Christ, to be trained, disciplined, educated, for this life and for the future, immortal life.—The Signs of the Times, January 4, 1883. {LDE 61.2}

 

“Some people seem to think that upon entering the church they will have their expectations fulfilled, and meet only with those who are pure and perfect. They are zealous in their faith, and when they see faults in church members, they say, “We left the world in order to have no association with evil characters, but the evil is here also;” and they ask, as did the servants in the parable, “From whence then hath it tares?” But we need not be thus disappointed, for the Lord has not warranted us in coming to the conclusion that the church is perfect; and all our zeal will not be successful in making the church militant as pure as the church triumphant.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 47 (1893). {LDE 61.3}

 

Ellen White is clear in other statements that open sinners are to be separated from the church if they will not reform. She also says that it is IMPOSSIBLE to unite with the corrupt and remain/become pure. She defines tares as insincere Christians whose motives we would have to JUDGE in order to uproot them. Thorns, on the other hand, are open, apostate sinners, and if we can co-dwell with them and mature as Christians, we should go back to Babylon. But we can’t and that is one reason we were called out of Babylon.

 

The Church Triumphant Will Be Faithful and Christlike

 

The work is soon to close. The members of the church militant who have proved faithful will become the church triumphant.—Evangelism, 707 (1892). {LDE 62.1}

 

“The life of Christ was a life charged with a divine message of the love of God, and He longed intensely to impart this love to others in rich measure. Compassion beamed from His countenance, and His conduct was characterized by grace, humility, truth, and love. Every member of His church militant must manifest the same qualities, if he would join the church triumphant.”—Fundamentals of Christian Education, 179 (1891). {LDE 62.2}

 

God’s Promises Are Conditional

 

“The angels of God in their messages to men represent time as very short. [See Romans 13:11, 12; 1 Corinthians 7:29; 1 Thessalonians 4:15, 17; Hebrews 10:25; James 5:8, 9; 1 Peter 4:7; Revelation 22:6, 7.] Thus it has always been presented to me. It is true that time has continued longer than we expected in the early days of this message. Our Saviour did not appear as soon as we hoped. But has the Word of the Lord failed? Never! It should be remembered that the promises and threatenings of God are alike conditional.” [See Jeremiah 18:7-10; Jonah 3:4-10.]... {LDE 38.3}

 

“We may have to remain here in this world because of insubordination many more years, as did the children of Israel, but for Christ’s sake His people should not add sin to sin by charging God with the consequence of their own wrong course of action.”—Evangelism, 695, 696 (1901). {LDE 39.1}

 

What Christ Is Waiting For

 

“Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own.” {LDE 39.2}

 

It is the privilege of every Christian, not only to look for, but to hasten the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Were all who profess His name bearing fruit to His glory, how quickly the whole world would be sown with the seed of the gospel. Quickly the last great harvest would be ripened, and Christ would come to gather the precious grain.”—Christ’s Object Lessons, 69 (1900). {LDE 39.3}

 

“By giving the gospel to the world it is in our power to hasten our Lord’s return. We are not only to look for but to hasten the coming of the day of God” (2 Peter 3:12, margin).—The Desire of Ages, 633 (1898). {LDE 39.4}

 

“He has put it in our power, through cooperation with Him, to bring this scene of misery to an end.”—Education, 264 (1903). {LDE 39.5}

 

A Limit to God’s Forbearance

 

“With unerring accuracy the Infinite One still keeps an account with all nations. While His mercy is tendered with calls to repentance this account will remain open, but when the figures reach a certain amount, which God has fixed, the ministry of His wrath commences.—"Testimonies for the Church 5:208 (1882). {LDE 39.6}

 

“God keeps a record with the nations. The figures are swelling against them in the books of heaven, and when it shall have become a law that the transgression of the first day of the week shall be met with punishment, then their cup will be full.”—The S.D.A. Bible Commentary 7:910 (1886). {LDE 40.1}

 

God keeps a reckoning with the nations.... “When the time fully comes that iniquity shall have reached the stated boundary of God’s mercy, His forbearance will cease. When the accumulated figures in heaven’s record books shall mark the sum of transgression complete, wrath will come.”—Testimonies for the Church 5:524 (1889). {LDE 40.2}

 

“While God’s mercy bears long with the transgressor, there is a limit beyond which men may not go on in sin. When that limit is reached, then the offers of mercy are withdrawn, and the ministration of judgment begins.”—Patriarchs and Prophets, 162, 165 (1890). {LDE 40.3}

 

No one knows when their particular case comes up in the Judgment. Will you or I be sinning when that happens?

 

“The time is coming when in their fraud and insolence men will reach a point that the Lord will not permit them to pass and they will learn that there is a limit to the forbearance of Jehovah.”—Testimonies for the Church 9:13 (1909). {LDE 40.4}

 

There is a limit beyond which the judgments of Jehovah can no longer be delayed.—Prophets and Kings, 417 (c. 1914). {LDE 40.5}

 

Transgression Has Almost Reached Its Limit

 

“Time will last a little longer until the inhabitants of the earth have filled up the cup of their iniquity, and then the wrath of God, which has so long slumbered, will awake, and this land of light will drink the cup of His unmingled wrath.”—Testimonies For The Church 1:363 (1863). {LDE 41.1}

 

“The cup of iniquity is nearly filled, and the retributive justice of God is about to descend upon the guilty. —Testimonies for the Church 4:489 (1880). {LDE 41.2}

 

“The wickedness of the inhabitants of the world has almost filled up the measure of their iniquity. This earth has almost reached the place where God will permit the destroyer to work his will upon it.”—Testimonies for the Church 7:141 (1902). {LDE 41.3}

 

“Transgression has almost reached its limit. Confusion fills the world, and a great terror is soon to come upon human beings. The end is very near. We who know the truth should be preparing for what is soon to break upon the world as an overwhelming surprise.”—Testimonies for the Church 8:28 (1904). {LDE 41.4}

 

We Should Keep the Great Day of God Before Our Minds

 

“We must educate ourselves to be thinking and dwelling upon the great scenes of the judgment just before us and then, as we keep the scenes of the great day of God before us when everything will be revealed, it will have an effect upon our character. One brother said to me, “Sister White, do you think the Lord will come in ten years?” “What difference does it make to you whether He shall come in two, four, or ten years?” “Why,” said he, “I think I would do differently in some things than I now do if I knew the Lord was to come in ten years.” {LDE 41.5}

 

“What would you do?” said I. {LDE 42.1}

 

“Why,” said he, “I would sell my property and begin to search the Word of God and try to warn the people and get them to prepare for His coming, and I would plead with God that I might be ready to meet Him.” {LDE 42.2}

 

Then said I, “If you knew that the Lord was not coming for twenty years, you would live differently?” {LDE 42.3}

 

Said he, “I think I would.”... {LDE 42.4}

 

How selfish was the expression that he would live a different life if he knew his Lord was to come in ten years! Why, Enoch walked with God 300 years. This is a lesson for us that we shall walk with God every day, and we are not safe unless we are waiting and watching.—Manuscript 10, 1886. {LDE 42.5}

 

The Shortness of Time

 

May the Lord give no rest, day nor night, to those who are now careless and indolent in the cause and work of God. The end is near. This is that which Jesus would have us keep ever before us—the shortness of time.”—Letter 97, 1886. {LDE 42.6}

 

“When we shall stand with the redeemed upon the sea of glass with harps of gold and crowns of glory and before us the unmeasured eternity, we shall then see how short was the waiting period of probation.”—Manuscript Releases 10:266 (1886). {LDE 42.7}

 

Chapter 4—God’s Last Day Church

 

God’s People Keep His Commandments

 

“God has a church on earth who are lifting up the downtrodden law, and presenting to the world the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....” {LDE 43.1}

 

That “church” is NOT a new movement that has removed pillar doctrines and substituted antichrist teachings.

 

“There is but one church in the world who are at the present time standing in the breach and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places....” {LDE 43.2}

 

That was a LONG time ago. The church on earth that is PRESENTLY standing in the breach and making up the hedge, building up the old waste places, is the True Reformers. Isaiah 62.

 

“Let all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given of the remnant people, who keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus.... God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God.... My brother, if you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 50, 58, 59 (1893). [The book of Revelation focuses on two sets of God’s people—the visible remnant (12:17) and “My people” in Babylon (18:4). This chapter deals with the former, and chapter 14, “The Loud Cry,” deals with the latter.] {LDE 43.3}

 

Time, Place and Circumstance IS OF THE ESSENCE!

 

They Have the Testimony of Jesus

 

“As the end draws near and the work of giving the last warning to the world extends, it becomes more important for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of the nature and influence of the testimonies, which God in His providence has linked with the work of the third angel’s message from its very rise.—Testimonies for the Church 5:654 (1889). {LDE 44.1}

 

“Men may get up scheme after scheme and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White and has given her a message will be safe from the many delusions that will come in these last days.
—Selected Messages 3:83, 84 (1906). {LDE 44.2}

 

Their “Landmark” Biblical Doctrines

 

The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God’s people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels’ messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, “The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God’s law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks.”—Counsels to Writers and Editors, 30, 31 (1889). {LDE 44.4}

 

Ellen White identified the personality of God and Christ as pillar landmarks. Those have to do with the human nature of Christ, which is inseparable from the truth on the Godhead.

 

Godhead as a pillar doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor." {MR760 9.5}

 

Ellen White to Kellogg in the Alpha

 

"You are not definitely clear on the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself." EGW letter 300 1903.

The Distinctive Mission of Seventh-day Adventists

“The Lord has made us the depositaries of His law; He has committed to us sacred and eternal truth, which is to be given to others in faithful warnings, reproofs, and encouragement.”—Testimonies for the Church 5:381 (1885). {LDE 45.1}

“Seventh-day Adventists have been chosen by God as a peculiar people, separate from the world. By the great cleaver of truth He has cut them out from the quarry of the world and brought them into connection with Himself. He has made them His representatives and has called them to be ambassadors for Him in the last work of salvation. The greatest wealth of truth ever entrusted to mortals, the most solemn and fearful warnings ever sent by God to man, have been committed to them to be given to the world.”—Testimonies for the Church 7:138 (1902). {LDE 45.2}

“In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the Word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import—the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels’ messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention.”—Testimonies for the Church 9:19 (1909). {LDE 45.3}

A new movement that has removed God, should not call itself Seventh-day Adventist!

Reasons Why the Seventh-day Adventist Church Was Organized

“As our numbers increased it was evident that without some form of organization there would be great confusion, and the work would not be carried forward successfully. To provide for the support of the ministry, for carrying the work in new fields, for protecting both the churches and the ministry from unworthy members, for holding church property, for the publication of the truth through the press, and for many other objects, organization was indispensable....” {LDE 46.1}

“Light was given by His Spirit that there must be order and thorough discipline in the church—that organization was essential. System and order are manifest in all the works of God throughout the universe. Order is the law of heaven, and it should be the law of God’s people on the earth.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 26 (1902). {LDE 46.2}

Organization Will Always Be Essential

The Lord has shown me that He has taken the reins into His own hands. True Reformers are not without organization led by the Holy Spirit.

“Unless the churches are so organized that they can carry out and enforce order, they have nothing to hope for in the future.”—Testimonies For The Church 1:270 (1862). {LDE 46.3}

The new movement was organized but that did not keep the spurious wolves out. As God has led true reformers in every succeeding generation, He will lead them now. DA 232.

Ron’s Commentary: Ellen White said that God will take the reins in His own hands. He did so with the Jews. Was the church then disorganized. Of course not.

Where was the ORGANIZATION in 1844 when the first Midnight Cry went out? Who gave it? Faithful men who came out of apostate churches, WITHOUT ORGANIZATION! The church was not organized until 1862-3.

“The power which stirred the people so mightily in the 1844 movement will again be revealed. The third angel's message will go forth, not in whispered tones, but with a loud voice.”--5T 252 (1885). {LDE 202.1}

“I saw that this message will close with power and strength far exceeding the midnight cry.”--EW 278 (1858). {LDE 202.2}

And all without one thread of man’s devising she said.

Like the Day of Pentecost  

“It is with an earnest longing that I look forward to the time when the events of the Day of Pentecost shall be repeated with even greater power than on that occasion. John says, "I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory" [Rev. 18:1]. Then, as at the Pentecostal season, the people will hear the truth spoken to them, every man in his own tongue.”--6BC 1055 (1886). {LDE 202.3}

“In visions of the night, representations passed before me of a great reformatory movement among God's people. Many were praising God. The sick were healed, and other miracles were wrought. A spirit of intercession was seen, even as was manifested before the great Day of Pentecost.”--9T 126 (1909). {LDE 202.4}

Ellen White prophesied a primitive revival in all churches of the land. This occurs when the faithful in all churches respond to the Midnight Cry.

“The great work of the gospel is not to close with less manifestation of the power of God than marked its opening. The prophecies which were fulfilled in the outpouring of the former rain at the opening of the gospel, are again to be fulfilled in the latter rain at its close. . . .” {LDE 203.1}

 

“Servants of God, with their faces lighted up and shining with holy consecration, will hasten from place to place to proclaim the message from heaven. By thousands of voices, all over the earth, the warning will be given. Miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and signs and wonders will follow the believers.”--GC 611, 612 (1911). {LDE 203.2}

 

God Will Employ Agencies That Will Surprise Us

 

 “Let me tell you that the Lord will work in this last work in a manner very much out of the common order of things, and in a way that will be contrary to any human planning. There will be those among us who will always want to control the work of God, to dictate even what movements shall be made when the work goes forward under the direction of the angel who joins the third angel in the message to be given to the world. God will use ways and means by which it will be seen that He is taking the reins in His own hands. The workers will be surprised by the simple means that He will use to bring about and perfect His work of righteousness.--TM 300 (1885). {LDE 203.3}

Do not imagine that it will be possible to lay out plans for the future. Let God be acknowledged as standing at the helm at all times and under every circumstance. He will work by means that will be suitable, and will maintain, increase, and build up His own people.--CW 71 (1895). {LDE 203.4}

 

“The Comforter is to reveal Himself, not in any specified, precise way that man may mark out, but in the order of God--in unexpected times and ways that will honor His own name.”--EGW'88 1478 (1896). {LDE 204.1}

 

He will raise up from among the common people men and women to do His work, even as of old He called fishermen to be His disciples. There will soon be an awakening that will surprise many. Those who do not realize the necessity of what is to be done will be passed by, and the heavenly messengers will work with those who are called the common people, fitting them to carry the truth to many places.--15MR 312 (1905). {LDE 204.2}

 

Laborers Qualified by the Holy Spirit

 

“In the last solemn work few great men will be engaged. . . . God will work a work in our day that but few anticipate. He will raise up and exalt among us those who are taught rather by the unction of His Spirit than by the outward training of scientific institutions. These facilities are not to be despised or condemned; they are ordained of God, but they can furnish only the exterior qualifications. God will manifest that He is not dependent on learned, self-important mortals.--5T 80, 82 (1882). {LDE 204.3}

 

“To souls that are earnestly seeking for light and that accept with gladness every ray of divine illumination from His holy Word, to such alone light will be given. It is through these souls that God will reveal that light and power which will lighten the whole earth with His glory.”--5T 729 (1889). {LDE 205.1}

 

“It is discipline of spirit, cleanness of heart and thought that is needed. This is of more value than brilliant talent, tact, or knowledge. An ordinary mind, trained to obey a "Thus saith the Lord," is better qualified for God's work than are those who have capabilities but do not employ them rightly.--RH Nov. 27, 1900. {LDE 205.2}

 

The laborers will be qualified rather by the unction of His Spirit than by the training of literary institutions. Men of faith and prayer will be constrained to go forth with holy zeal, declaring the words which God gives them.”--GC 606 (1911). {LDE 205.3}

 

God Uses Even the Illiterate

 

“Those who receive Christ as a personal Saviour will stand the test and trial of these last days. Strengthened by unquestioning faith in Christ, even the illiterate disciple will be able to withstand the doubts and questions that infidelity can produce, and put to blush the sophistries of scorners.” {LDE 205.4}

 

“The Lord Jesus will give the disciples a tongue and wisdom that their adversaries can neither gainsay nor resist. Those who could not, by reasoning, overcome satanic delusions will bear an affirmative testimony that will baffle supposedly learned men. Words will come from the lips of the unlearned with such convincing power and wisdom that conversions will be made to the truth. Thousands will be converted under their testimony.” {LDE 205.5}

 

“Why should the illiterate man have this power, which the learned man has not? The illiterate one, through faith in Christ, has come into the atmosphere of pure, clear truth, while the learned man has turned away from the truth. The poor man is Christ's witness. He cannot appeal to histories or to so-called high science, but he gathers from the Word of God powerful evidence. The truth that he speaks under the inspiration of the Spirit is so pure and remarkable and carries with it a power so indisputable that his testimony cannot be gainsaid.--8MR 187, 188 (1905). {LDE 206.1}

 

“Oh, how Satan would rejoice if he could succeed in his efforts to get in among this people and disorganize the work at a time when thorough organization is essential and will be the greatest power to keep out spurious uprisings and to refute claims not endorsed by the Word of God! We want to hold the lines evenly, that there shall be no breaking down of the system of organization and order that has been built up by wise, careful labor. License must not be given to disorderly elements that desire to control the work at this time.” {LDE 47.1}

 

Satan came in “AMONG” the church and did exactly what Ellen White speaks of above, but the True Reformers are falsely accused of the spurious uprisings. The new movement broke down the system of organization, unity and order by their apostasy.

 

Who caused the disunity since 1955 and the first book of a new order, QUESTIONS ON DOCTRINE, and later MOVEMENT OF DESTINY? It was the spurious uprising of a new movement AMONG God’s people. 1SM 204-205. Did organization preclude that new movement prophesied by Ellen White? No! Did the organization of the Jewish church prevent its apostasy and destruction in A.D. 70. No!

 

“Some have advanced the thought that, as we near the close of time, every child of God will act independently of any religious organization. But I have been instructed by the Lord that in this work there is no such thing as every man’s being independent.” [From manuscript read before the delegates at the General Conference Session, Washington, D.C., May 30, 1909.]—Testimonies for the Church 9:257, 258 (1909). {LDE 47.2}

 

God takes the reins in His own hands and leads the True Reformers in giving the final Loud Cry to the world. Thus, they are not acting independently of the religious organization provided by the Holy Spirit.

 

Yes, the pure truth on this issue is that God takes the reins in His own hands and does exactly what He has done in every succeeding generation, Desire of Ages, 232. He uses True Reformers, and on that page Ellen White calls for more to follow their example. READ THAT PAGE if you want to know what God does in times of apostasy, and has done in EVERY SUCCEEDING GENERATION.

 

God leads the True Reformers, so are they without organization? Were the disciples without organization when they established Home Churches? Is God the leader in and of an omega of apostasy new movement that has removed Him by removing pillar doctrines, notwithstanding their protest that there are no abominations for which are  to sigh and cry.

 

Ron’s Commentary:

1.    The 1T 270 statement (further up) was written in 1862. Organization was very necessary, but let it be heard from the highest hilltops of the world, that organization, however useful and necessary over the decades of the church’s existence, DID NOT keep out the spurious uprising of a new movement since 1955.

2.    The spurious uprising that formed “AMONG” SDA,s beginning in 1955, is the omega apostasy that Ellen White said would allow nothing to stand in its way, and would wax stronger until Jesus comes.

3.    The new movement DID NOT refute claims not endorsed by the Word of God, eg. The Trinity Doctrine, the antichrist teaching on the human nature of Christ.

4.    The organization of God’s first chosen people, the Jewish Temple church, did not prevent its apostasy and the rejection of the Messiah.

5.    God did NOT say that any organization would be free from the pitfalls of apostasy. Rather, the Spirit of Prophecy says that when a  church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, HOWEVER HIGH AND SACRED THEIR CALLING, the Lord can no longer work with them, and that others are then chosen.

6.    The “others” that God has chosen are true reformers, who are giving the straight testimony. As long as they teach the pure truth, God is the leader and He is guiding them.

7.    Only Christ’s PRESENCE can constitute a church: "God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.

8.    The gift of Prophecy is still operative in God’s True Church, and He is leading His true followers in paths of pure truth, but the leaders will not acknowledge the current gift of prophecy any more than the Jews would acknowledge the Messiah among them.

9.    The statement below proves that God never said that any church would not and could not fall, except the final church triumphant.

10.   Any hint that Ellen White ever said the church could not fail, would be contradictory to the following statement.

11.   Ellen  White said that God will CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS PRINCIPAL WITH EVERY BRANCH OF HIS WORK. The teachings of the leaders like Walter Veith, deny this statement: The Upward Look, 131.

12.   The work would eventually have been forced to HOME CHURCHES, when the Sunday Law makes it impossible for the church to operate openly. Would it then not be organized by Christ?

13.   Does God need an apostate church that has placed itself in liaison with Babylon World Council and National of Churches, and local Ministerial Associations. To give the FINAL LOUD CRY OF THE THIRD ANGEL?

14.   How can a church that is so allied even give that message, when the second angel’s message is a call out of Babylon?

“The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.

God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25).” E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131.

“As we near the final crisis, instead of feeling that there is less need of order and harmony of action, we should be more systematic than heretofore.—Selected Messages 3:26 (1892). {LDE 47.3}

 

The Special Authority of God’s Church

 

The truth on this issue is that Ellen White clearly states that as we near the end, God takes the reins in His own hands, and the True Reformers, the bride, finish the work, as the voice of God and the voice of the bride give the final Loud Midnight Cry. COL, 405, 406.

 

God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising, for in so doing he despises the voice of God.—Testimonies for the Church 3:417 (1875). {LDE 47.4}

 

Ron’s Commentary.

The DATE that 3 Testimonies for the above quoted section was written was 1875. You can verify that in the CONTENTS section at the beginning of the book. In 1955, a new movement, new organization came in “among” the church and removed pillar doctrines on the Godhead, the human nature of Christ, the Sanctuary and Atonement and overcoming sin Last Generation Theology.

1.    That new movement thus DESPISED and still DESPISES GOD.

2.    That new movement IS NOT the Voice of God. It is the voice of Satan, because it removed God.

3.    Ellen White said that the General Conference was no longer the voice of God in 1888.

 

God has bestowed the highest power under heaven upon His church. It is the voice of God in His united people in church capacity which is to be respected.—Testimonies for the Church 3:451 (1875). {LDE 47.5}

 

A Time of Spiritual Weakness and Blindness

 

“I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out. [This is the only known statement from the pen of Ellen White indicating that she might have lost confidence in the Seventh-day Adventist Church organization. The doubt which she expressed here was never repeated during the remaining twenty-six years of her life.] While we will endeavor to keep the “unity of the Spirit” in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry.”—The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, 356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}

 

“Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, “But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”—The Review and Herald, August 1, 1893. [The bracketed comments are by Ellen White.] {LDE 48.2}

 

“The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.”—Notebook Leaflets 1:99 (1898). {LDE 49.1}

 

Abuse of Power at Church Headquarters

 

George R. Knight’s latest book is on the authority wars in the church. It is entitled Adventist Authority Wars. Away back in the Sabbath School Lessons Quarterly for January, February, March, 1987, p. 92, the leaders stated:

 

“It is our responsibility to study the Scriptures for ourselves, to ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to submit our understandings to those in the church WHO ARE ABLE TO JUDGE OUR FINDINGS, AND THEN TO ABIDE BY THE DECISIONS OF THE CHURCH IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE UNITY OF THE CHURH.”

 

In Ellen White’s day, she called that KINGLY POWER.

 

“The General Conference is itself becoming corrupted with wrong sentiments and principles....” {LDE 49.2}

 

“Men have taken unfair advantage of those whom they supposed to be under their jurisdiction. They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they would rule or ruin....” {LDE 49.3}

 

“The high-handed power that has been developed, as though position has made men gods, makes me afraid, and ought to cause fear. It is a curse wherever and by whomsoever it is exercised.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 359-361 (1895). {LDE 49.4}

 

“There are altogether too many weighty responsibilities given to a few men, and some do not make God their Counselor. What do these men know of the necessities of the work in foreign countries? How can they know how to decide the questions which come to them asking for information? It would require three months for those in foreign countries to receive a response to their questions, even if there was no delay in writing.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 321 (1896). {LDE 49.5}

 

“Those living in distant countries will not do that which their judgment tells them is right unless they first send for permission to Battle Creek. Before they will advance they await Yes or No from that place.”—Special Testimonies, Series A 9:32 (1896). {LDE 49.6}

 

It is not wise to choose one man as president of the General Conference. The work of the General Conference has extended, and some things have been made unnecessarily complicated. A want of discernment has been shown. There should be a division of the field, or some other plan should be devised to change the present order of things.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 342 (1896).

 

 [The Seventh-day Adventist Church was organized in 1863 with 3,500 members, half a dozen local conferences, about thirty ministerial laborers, and a General Conference Committee of three. The General Conference president was well able to provide the leadership and counsel required by such a small organization. He could personally attend every important meeting and in addition give personal attention to much of the business connected with the publishing work. However, by 1896 the work of the church had greatly expanded in the United States, and extended to Europe, Australia, and Africa as well. It was no longer possible for one man to give adequate supervision and direction to such a widespreading work. Ellen White urged a division of the field, so that our church members around the world would not look to just one man for counsel. This was accomplished by the creation of union conferences and world divisions.”] {LDE 50.1}

 

Unwise Leaders Do Not Speak for God

 

“The voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.”—Manuscript Releases 17:185 (1896). {LDE 50.2}

 

“It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.”—Manuscript Releases 17:216 (1898). {LDE 50.3}

 

“That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be—that is past.”—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p. 25. {LDE 50.4}

 

What would Ellen White say today now that the GC has removed God and is teaching antichrist heresies?

 

A New Denomination Not Needed

 

It is true that no new denomination is needed, just the heeding of the foundation laid by SDA pioneers. That is all True Reformers are doing. They are not calling for a new denomination. But new movement leaders, having removed God, have formed a new denomination—the Synagogue of Satan, for “God being removed,” there is only one other master. The church changed captains.

 

Note by Ron:

 

QUESTIONS:

1.    IS A NEW MOVEMENT, NEW ORGANIZATION THAT REMOVED GOD, NEEDED? 1SM 204-205.

2.    Is a NEW MOVEMENT, NEW ORGANIZATION that removed God and pillar doctrines, any consolation to not having a NEW DENOMINATION?

 

You will take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the shaking among God’s people, and you will talk of a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy.... Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them, we would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has ever been witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan wants.—Selected Messages 1:179 (1890). {LDE 51.1}

 

Ron’s Commentary: The above statement was written in 1890: Ellen White said to always consider TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE.

 

CONSIDERATIONS:

1.    Ellen White said that each of the ancient prophets wrote more for us than the Jews.

2.    Does the Bible give the state of ALL FORMALLY ORGANIZED CHURCHES at the end-time? Yes, it does. Isaiah 4:1-4. In these verses,

3.    All is to be weighed by the Bible as our guide. The question is: Does the Bible say there will be another coming out of SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM? Yes it does. Isaiah 37:31, 32.

4.    Anyone who takes Walter Veith’s advice to super glue themselves to a pew at the new movement, that has removed God, will be destroyed in the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.

5.    The great TYPE, PREFIGURE TYPOLOGY that Veith should be teaching, is found in The Great Controversy, Chapter 1, and page 25, where Ellen White calls that chapter a PREFIGURE of the terrors of the last great day.

6.    The above mentioned PREFIGURE TYPOLOGY, began with the earthly ministry of Jesus in A.D. 27, at which time He gathered out those who would carry the gospel to the world. In DA 232, Ellen White says that True Reformers have withdrawn from the church of their fathers in EVERY SUCCEEDING GENERATION. She calls for more REFORMERS OF THAT LIKE SPIRIT. Walter Veith calls them bleating sheep.

7.    God calls them His bride, Zion (Sion), true Reformer representatives of the church in Heaven, Heb. 12:22, 23.

REFERENCES FOR QUOTES REFERRED TO:

"The Bible for Our Time.--Never are we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of the ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that their prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which things the angels desire to look into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 3, p. 338.

         

Prophets Wrote for Their Own and Our Day.—“The last books of the Old Testament show us workers taken from the laborers in the field. Others were men of high ability and extensive learning, but the Lord gave them visions and messages. These men of the Old Testament spoke of things transpiring in their day, and Daniel, Isaiah, and Ezekiel not only spoke of things that concerned them as present truth, but their sights reached down to the future, and to what should occur in these last days.”--Letter 132, 1898. {3SM 419.5, 420}

 

The following statement was FULLY TRUE AND APPLICABLE according to TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE in 1893. Leaders have misrepresented the following statements since the death of Ellen G. White, in an effort to try to convince the laity to remain faithful to an apostate new movement NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.

 

“The Lord has not given you a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out of her. All the reasons you may present cannot have weight with me on this subject, because the Lord has given me decided light that is opposed to such a message....”{LDE 51.2}

 

LDE does not give the following statement. However, we should never refer to the new movement as Babylon. It is fallen spiritual Jerusalem, so that Isaiah 37:31, 32 applies. Ezekiel 9 BEGINS at spiritual Jerusalem, not Babylon. Judgment begins at the House of God, the House of Jacob.

 

"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.

 

 

“I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.—Selected Messages 2:63, 68, 69 (1893). {LDE 51.3}

 

God’s church is not broken up into independent atoms. He is the head of His church, and it is united on the Spirit of Prophecy, and that is the purpose of that gift to the church—unity!

 

God has entrusted the message to His True Reformer Bride, and the work is NOT disorganized, FOR GOD IS HOLDING THE REINS IN HIS OWN HANDS.

 

“I tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will work.... When anyone is drawing apart from the organized body of God’s commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then you may know that God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.”—Selected Messages 3:17, 18 (1893). {LDE 51.4}

 

The end-time organized body is the bride, the True Reformers. I have proven times over that it is they who give the final Loud Cry to the world, under the empowerment of the Holy Spriit.

 

A new movement with the brazen blasphemous act of removing God, is NOT His commandment-KEEPING people.

 

When weighing the church according to Isaiah 8:20 and the SOP’s counsel, we are not weighing according to our own human scales, but God’s appointed scales, as the True Reformers did in every succeeding generation. We must be sure we recognize GOD’S COMMANDMENT-KEEPING PEOPLE who are not breaking them and the three angel’s messages by REMOVING GOD and PILLAR DOCTRINES, especially the pillar doctrine on the Godhead.

 

God Will Set Everything in Order

 

“There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the work God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port.”—Selected Messages 2:390 (1892). {LDE 52.1}

 

The ship that bears God’s people safely into port IS NOT a new movement that has removed God, and thus has chosen Satan as its Captain. When the Jewish church apostatized, God gave the work to OTHERS, THE DISCIPLES, WHO ARE CALLED THE BRIDE, Desire of Ages, 179.

 

Read The Great Controversy, Chapter 1, so see how God set everything in order in the last TYPOLOGY of Ezekiel 9.

 

“Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective “members, that there are tares amid the wheat.... Although there are evils existing in the church, and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church, enfeebled and defective, needing to be reproved, warned, and counseled, is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 45, 49 (1893). {LDE 52.2}

 

Enfeebled and defective DOES NOT include removing God and teaching antichrist doctrines. The True Reformers are now God’s living church of which He is the captain and guide.

 

When the new movement formed in 1955, God began transferring His work to the True Reformers who are militating for truth. Defective members IS NOT TO INCLUDE OPEN SINNING APOSTATES, for Ellen White said that open sinners are to be removed from the church, but when those open, non-repentant sinners are the LEADERS, who will allow NOTHING TO STAND IN THEIR WAY, we have to follow the course of the True Reformers of every succeeding generation, DA 232.

 

“The bulwarks of Satan will never triumph. Victory will attend the third angel’s message. As the Captain of the Lord’s host tore down the walls of Jericho, so will the Lord’s commandment-keeping people triumph, and all opposing elements be defeated.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 410 (1898). {LDE 52.3}

 

Distribution of Responsibility Urged

 

Ellen White urged a reorganization with a committee of 25 men WITH NO PRESIDENT KING, in 1903. That never was implemented.

 

“What we want now is a reorganization. We want to begin at the foundation, and to build upon a different principle.... {LDE 53.1}

 

“Here are men who are standing at the head of our various institutions, of the educational interests, and of the conferences in different localities and in different States. All these are to stand as representative men, to have a voice in molding and fashioning the plans that shall be carried out. There are to be more than one or two or three men to consider the whole vast field. The work is great, and there is no one human mind that can plan for the work which needs to be done....” LDE 53.2}

 

Ellen White says that the final work will have not ONE THREAD of man’s devising. God empowers and leads it to victory.

 

“Now I want to say, God has not put any kingly power in our ranks to control this or that branch of the work. The work has been greatly restricted by the efforts to control it in every line.... There must be a renovation, a reorganization; a power and strength must be brought into the committees that are necessary.” [From Ellen White’s opening address on April 2, 1901, to the General Conference Session in Battle Creek.]—The General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, pp. 25, 26. {LDE 53.3}

 

The 1901 General Conference Session Responds

 

“Who do you suppose has been among us since this Conference began? Who has kept away the objectionable features that generally appear in such a meeting? Who has walked up and down the aisles of this Tabernacle? The God of heaven and His angels. And they did not come here to tear you in pieces, but to give you right and peaceable minds. They have been among us to work the works of God, to keep back the powers of darkness, that the work God designed should be done should not be hindered. The angels of God have been working among us....” {LDE 54.1}

 

“I was never more astonished in my life than at the turn things have taken at this meeting. This is not our work. God has brought it about. Instruction regarding this was presented to me, but until the sum was worked out at this meeting I could not comprehend this instruction. God’s angels have been walking up and down in this congregation. I want every one of you to remember this, and I want you to remember also that God has said that He will heal the wounds of His people.”—The General Conference Bulletin, April 25, 1901, pp. 463, 464. {LDE 54.2}

 

“During the General Conference the Lord wrought mightily for His people. Every time I think of that meeting, a sweet solemnity comes over me, and sends a glow of gratitude to my soul. We have seen the stately steppings of the Lord our Redeemer. We praise His holy name, for He has brought deliverance to His people.—The Review and Herald, November 26, 1901. {LDE 54.3}

 

But what Ellen White said should be in 1901, was not obeyed in 1903. A KING PRESIDENT was once again elected.

 

“It has been a necessity to organize union conferences, that the General Conference shall not exercise dictation over all the separate conferences. The power vested in the Conference is not to be centered in one man, or two men, or six men; there is to be a council of men over the separate divisions.—Manuscript 26, 1903 (April 3). [For further information regarding organizational changes made at the 1901 General Conference Session see the Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopedia (Vol. 10 of the Commentary Reference Series), Revised Edition, pp. 1050-1053.] {LDE 55.1}

 

Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed

 

“We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.”—Selected Messages 2:390 (1905). {LDE 55.2}

 

That wrong new organization formed from 1955 and on, and removed God by removing pillar doctrines, and substituting the Trinity Doctrine.

 

“I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.”—Selected Messages 2:397 (1908). {LDE 55.3}

 

Ron’s Comment: The only church that is perfectly united is the True Reformers who take every word of the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy, and interpret so that nothing contradicts. Ellen White CANNOT be speaking of the new movement “church” for that new movement IS NOT PERFECTLY UNITED. If Ellen White was referring to the new movement, she would have been a FALSE PROPHET, for that new movement is FAR FROM BEING PERFECTLY UNITED, and she prophesied the apostasy would WAX STRONGER UNTIL JESUS COMES, so how could we be perfectly united with an omega of apostasy “church.”

 

Walter Veith says he believes the church will come into unity as we near the end. Is that according to the following SOP prophesy? Does he meet the test of Isaiah 8:20 on this and many other points we have evaluated in this vision?

 

Wax stronger "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).

 

"The enemy will set everything in operation to uproot the confidence of the believers in the pillars of our faith in the messages of the past, which have placed us upon the elevated platform of eternal truth, and which have established and given character to the work. The Lord God of Israel has led out His people, unfolding to them truth of heavenly origin." "The truth for this time is precious, but those whose hearts have not been broken by falling on the Rock Christ Jesus, will not see and understand what is truth. They will accept that which pleases their ideas, and will begin to manufacture another foundation than that which is laid. They will flatter their own vanity and esteem, thinking that they are capable of removing the pillars of our faith, and replacing them with pillars they have devised. This will continue to be as long as time shall last." Notebook, Leaflets, pp. 61-62.

 

What is the Church Doing When its Danger is Greatest—The Time of the Sunday Law?

 

Wax stronger "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).

 

"The enemy will set everything in operation to uproot the confidence of the believers in the pillars of our faith in the messages of the past, which have placed us upon the elevated platform of eternal truth, and which have established and given character to the work. The Lord God of Israel has led out His people, unfolding to them truth of heavenly origin." "The truth for this time is precious, but those whose hearts have not been broken by falling on the Rock Christ Jesus, will not see and understand what is truth. They will accept that which pleases their ideas, and will begin to manufacture another foundation than that which is laid. They will flatter their own vanity and esteem, thinking that they are capable of removing the pillars of our faith, and replacing them with pillars they have devised. This will continue to be as long as time shall last." Notebook, Leaflets, pp. 61-62.

 

"The leaven of godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest, [the Sunday Law] the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are done in the land. But more especially will their prayers arise in behalf of the church because its members are doing after the manner of the world. (Ellen G. White, “The Seal of God,” Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, page 209.

 

What Will the New Movement be Doing Just Before the Close of Probation?

 

Walter Veith told his hearers not to listen to what is going on in the church! Why? Because his hearers would not take his advice and super glue themselves to a pew at the new movement if they knew THE REST OF THE STORY HE REFUSES TO TELL.

 

"The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. 

The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and pervert that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirits working." Selected Messages, Book 2, p. 36.

 

“At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God’s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected.” {LDE 55.4}

 

Are we required to respect a new movement that has removed God, and that we are instructed to REPUDIATE?

 

God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work.—Testimonies for the Church 9:260, 261 (1909). {LDE 56.1}

 

TAKING TIME, PLACE AND CIRRCUMSTANCE into consideration, should a new movement that has removed God be given authority?

 

“God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising, for he who does this despises the voice of God.—The Acts of the Apostles, 164 (1911). {LDE 56.2}

 

Since the new movement has committed omega heresy and antichrist apostasy, is that what God invests with special authority? Did God invest the apostate Jewish Temple with special authority, or did He choose OTHERS, and has He done the same thing NOW?

 

“I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding His people and that He will continue to be with them, even to the end.—Selected Messages 2:406 (1913). [From Ellen White’s final message to the Seventh-day Adventist Church in General Conference Session.” These reassuring words were read to the session by the General Conference president, A. G. Daniells, on May 27, 1913.] {LDE 56.3}

 

We do NOT question that God will guide HIS PEOPLE to the end. But the apostate new movement will be “guided” into a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and little children.

 

A Statement by W. C. White

 

I told her [Mrs. Lida Scott] how Mother regarded the experience of the remnant church, and of her positive teaching that God would not permit this denomination to so fully apostatize that there would be the coming out of another church.—W. C. White to E. E. Andross, May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File. {LDE 56.4}

 

The above is “HEARSAY,” and totally contradicts Isaiah 37:31, 32, and the PREFIGURE of Chapter 1, Great Controversy, p. 25. Look for the word PREFIGURE. If Willie White is correct, Ellen White would be a false prophet in saying that Ezekiel 9 will be literally be fulfilled BEGINNING AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, THE HOUSE OF JACOB, 5T 211.

 

She would be a false prophet by having said what she said God’s people would be doing AFTER THE MANNER OF THE WORLD, at the time when the danger to the church is greatest. The same thing applies to her statement about what will be going on at SDA CAMPMEETINGS “just before the close of probation.”

 

She would be a false prophet by her prophecy that the church will “REFUSE THE CONDITIONS SO THAT HIS PROMISES WERE NOT FULFILLED TO THEM”

 

Spiritual Revival Still Needed

 

TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE are crucial here. There can be no spiritual revival after the church has committed unpardonable sin by “removing God,” and pillar doctrines, and in light of the following statement which implies unpardonable sin, because we are instructed by God not to pray for such a church.

 

COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.

 

·       Who is Ellen White speaking to when she speaks of “this people” and my people love to have it so?

·       Who is Ellen White speaking of when in 5T 211, she says that the dumb-dog watchmen preach peace and safety and will NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob its sins?

·       Who is she speaking of when she says they say in their hearts: “The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders?”

·       Who is she speaking of when she says: “their soul delighteth in their abominations,” in light of the fact that the church leaders will not admit to any abominations being in the church—the church is not in apostasy they say.

·       Is she referring to men like Veith and Henriques who won’t teach coreporate responsibility for the apostasy? Is that a peace and safety message?

 

“One day at noon I was writing of the work that might have been done at the last [1901] General Conference if the men in positions of trust had followed the will and way of God. Those who have had great light have not walked in the light. The meeting was closed, and the break was not made. Men did not humble themselves before the Lord as they should have done, and the Holy Spirit was not imparted. {LDE 57.1}

I had written thus far when I lost consciousness, and I seemed to be witnessing a scene in Battle Creek.” {LDE 57.2}\

 

“We were assembled in the auditorium of the Tabernacle. Prayer was offered, a hymn was sung, and prayer was again offered. Most earnest supplication was made to God. The meeting was marked by the presence of the Holy Spirit.... {LDE 57.3}

No one seemed to be too proud to make heartfelt confession, and those who led in this work were the ones who had influence, but had not before had courage to confess their sins.” {LDE 57.4}

 

The meeting in 1901 had the presence of God, because Ellen White was there, but they did not act on the report of the minority committee of which she was a MEMBER!

 

“There was rejoicing such as never before had been heard in the Tabernacle.” {LDE 57.5}

 

They rejoiced and went ahead and elected a KING at the next conference in 1903! Daniels! But the leaders don’t tell you that in their “cherry picking of favorable EGW statements!

 

“Then I aroused from my unconsciousness, and for a while could not think where I was. My pen was still in my hand. The words were spoken to me: “This might have been. All this the Lord was waiting to do for His people. All heaven was waiting to be gracious.” I thought of where we might have been had thorough work been done at the last General Conference.”—Testimonies for the Church 8:104-106 (January 5, 1903). {LDE 57.6}

 

“I have been deeply impressed by scenes that have recently passed before me in the night season. There seemed to be a great movement—a work of revival—going forward in many places. Our people were moving into line, responding to God’s call.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 515 (1913). [From Ellen White’s first message to the General Conference Session of 1913.] {LDE 58.1}

 

Many Adventists will respond to the final Midnight Cry Call. Ellen White says that there will be a primitive revival in all churches. But that does not change the fate of the corporate new movement that waxes stronger in apostasy until Jesus comes and experiences another literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, and this is WHY NONE OF THE LEADERS, INCLUDING WALTER VEITH AND ANDREW HENRIQUES DO NOT TEACH HER STATEMENT ON EZEKIEL 9 BEGINNING AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, FOR THAT STATEMENT TOTALLY CONTRADICTS MANY OF THE ABOVE FAVORABLE STATEMENTS AND GOD’S TEACHING ON EZEKIEL 9 IN THE BIBLE. Will Ezekiel 9 be re-written? If and when the church repents to the world for the following abominations, and begins to teach the truth on these apostasies, we should return to the church, but NOT UNTIL:

 

1.    An antichrist view on the human nature of Christ.

2.    An antichrist view on the Godhead.

3.    Ecumenical liaison with Babylon.

4.    Not sighing and crying for all the abominations.

5.    Never AGAIN showing the House of Jacob its sins. How do you get a revival without that?

6.    Not admitting to any apostasy by the church leaders.

7.    Making homosexuals leaders. This is just some of the worst of the abominations.

 

The Patience of God With His People

 

“The church has failed, sadly failed, to meet the expectations of her Redeemer, and yet the Lord does not withdraw Himself from His people. He bears with them still, not because of any goodness found in them, but that His name may not be dishonored before the enemies of truth and righteousness, that the satanic agencies may not triumph in the destruction of God’s people. He has borne long with their waywardness, unbelief and folly. With wonderful forbearance and compassion He has disciplined them. If they will heed His instruction He will cleanse away their perverse tendencies, saving them with an everlasting salvation and making them eternal monuments of the power of His grace.—The Signs of the Times, November 13, 1901. {LDE 58.2}

 

The new movement statement says: “GOD BEING REMOVED…”

 

Serious Consideration involving Time, Place and Circumstance and the above statement:

 

I have explained many times how the church committed unpardonable sin per Jeremiah 11:9-15. When God says to no longer pray for a people, that connotes UNPARDONABLE SIN. Her COUNTERPART statement prophesies UNPARDONABLE SIN, as does Isaiah 8:9-12, because the church imbibed liaison with Babylon’s ASSOCIATIONS—its MINISTERIAL ASSOCIATIONS, which many SDA pastors have officiated as Presidents of. That is the case in my locality here in Alberta, Canada. It could well be the case in your locality, because I was shown that Satan holds out that “carrot” to SDA pastors, and that it flatters them.

 

COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.

 

The PREFIGURE of Ezekiel 9 won’t be re-written.

 

We should remember that the church, enfeebled and defective though it be, is the only object on earth on which Christ bestows His supreme regard. He is constantly watching it with solicitude, and is strengthening it by His Holy Spirit.—Selected Messages 2:396 (1902). {LDE 58.3}

 

Enfeebled and defective DOES NOT INCLUDE OPEN SIN APOSTASY, for Ellen White said OPEN SINNERS should be separated from the church.

 

"Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church..." E. G. White,  Christ's Object Lessons, 71.

 

"The names of those who sin and refuse to repent should not be retained on the church books, lest the saints be held accountable for their evil deeds. Those who pursue a course of transgression should be visited and labored with, and if they then refuse to repent, they should be separated from church fellowship, in accordance with the rules laid down in the Word of God." {11MR 208.3}

 

God Works With Those Who Are Faithful to Him

 

“The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. {LDE 59.1}

When a church proves unfaithful to the word of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.—Manuscript Releases 14:102 (1903). {LDE 59.2}

 

Judged by the Light Bestowed

 

“In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. If her spiritual experience does not correspond to the advantages that Christ, at infinite cost, has bestowed on her, if the blessings conferred have not qualified her to do the work entrusted to her, on her will be pronounced the sentence: “Found wanting.” By the light bestowed, the opportunities given, will she be judged....” {LDE 59.3}

 

“Solemn admonitions of warning, manifest in the destruction of dearly cherished facilities [The Battle Creek Sanitarium, the largest and best-known Adventist institution in the world, burned to the ground February 18, 1902. this was followed by the destruction of the Review and Herald Publishing Association, also by fire, on December 30, 1902.] for service, say to us: “Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works” (Revelation 2:5).... {LDE 60.1}

 

“Unless the church, which is now being leavened with her own backsliding, shall repent and be converted, she will eat of the fruit of her own doing, until she shall abhor herself. When she resists the evil and chooses the good, when she seeks God with all humility and reaches her high calling in Christ, standing on the platform of eternal truth and by faith laying hold upon the attainments prepared for her, she will be healed. She will appear in her God-given simplicity and purity, separate from earthly entanglements, showing that the truth has made her free indeed. Then her members will indeed be the chosen of God, His representatives.”—Testimonies for the Church 8:247-251 (April 21, 1903). {LDE 60.2}

 

The above statement was written in 1903, at which time Ellen White said that the church was refreshing from the Holy Spirit, and it had not yet committed unpardonable sin. But on page 250 of 8T, she calls the church a harlot. So apparently, the refreshing didn’t last for long.

 

Israel’s History a Warning to Us

 

“In these last days God’s people will be exposed to the very same dangers as were ancient Israel. Those who will not receive the warnings that God gives will fall into the same perils as did ancient Israel and come short of entering into rest through unbelief. Ancient Israel suffered calamities on account of their unsanctified hearts and unsubmitted wills. Their final rejection as a nation was a result of their own unbelief, self-confidence, impenitence, blindness of mind, and hardness of heart. In their history we have a danger signal lifted before us.” {LDE 60.3}

 

Ron’s Commentary: Walter Veith has shown a marked UNBELIEF as to the truth of the Godhead, the Nature of Christ, and our many duties other than the three angel’s messages, like sighing and crying aloud for all the abominations, which if done, would cost him his ministerial credentials.

 

“Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.... For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end” (Hebrews 3:12, 14).—Letter 30, 1895. {LDE 61.1}

 

The Church Militant Is Imperfect

 

The church militant is not the church triumphant, and earth is not heaven. The church is composed of erring, imperfect men and women, who are but learners in the school of Christ, to be trained, disciplined, educated, for this life and for the future, immortal life.—The Signs of the Times, January 4, 1883. {LDE 61.2}

 

Ellen White said open sinners are to be separated from the church if they wont reform. Erring and imperfect should not be conflated with OPEN SIN ANTICHRIST APOSTASY.

 

The church militant will not teach apostate error, for it militates for the truth. If a church militant can be antichrist apostate, then we all should return to Babylon! Jesus and His followers never should have separated!

 

"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.  

 

Paul left

 

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

 

"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.

 

Leave them "If God has any new light to communicate, He will let His chosen and beloved understand it, without their going to have their minds enlightened by hearing those who are in darkness and error. {EW 124.2}

 

“I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness. {EW 124.3}

 

I saw that we have no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus diverted, but should be occupied with the present truth,..." EW p. 125.

 

Antichrist fables are being taught at every new movement church, because all are corporately responsible for the apostasy of the church. Walter Veith tell us you not to listened to the bleating sheep, the Reformers, but he adamantly instructs you to super glue yourself to a pew at the new movement that teaches antichrist apostasy.

 

"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.

 

Scripture on Home Churches

 

Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

 

Ellen White on Home Churches

 

When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church, what did they do and where did they meet for worship?

 

Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:

 

"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.

 

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.

 

"The church is in the Laodicean condition. The presence of God is not in her midst." Notebook Leaflets, p.99.

 

"The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E.G. White, Review and Herald, 8/19/1890.

 

"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.--NL 99 (1898). Latter Day Events, p. 49.

 

"To the end of time, the presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.

1. “I was shown that those who are trying to obey God and purifying their souls through obedience to the truth are God’s chosen people, His modern Israel”. 2T-109.

2. “There is no other church than the assembly of those who have the word of God, and who are purified by it. Adventists, seeing that the churches rejected the testimony of God’s word, could no longer regard them as constituting the church of Christ.” 4 SP-237.

3. “God has a church. It is not the great cathedrals, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. ‘Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them’. Matthew 18:20. Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ’s church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.”
Upward Look, 315.

Who and What is The Church? The Church is, “those who are trying to obey God and purifying their souls through obedience to the truth”, “those who have the word of God, and who are purified by it”, “the people who love God and keep His commandments.”

 

"The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be established. Books of a NEW ORDER would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the NEW MOVEMENT. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but GOD BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. 

Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] movement? We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth? E.G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 1, 204, 205.  

 

“Some people seem to think that upon entering the church they will have their expectations fulfilled, and meet only with those who are pure and perfect. They are zealous in their faith, and when they see faults in church members, they say, “We left the world in order to have no association with evil characters, but the evil is here also;” and they ask, as did the servants in the parable, “From whence then hath it tares?” But we need not be thus disappointed, for the Lord has not warranted us in coming to the conclusion that the church is perfect; and all our zeal will not be successful in making the church militant as pure as the church triumphant.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 47 (1893). {LDE 61.3}

 

There is a vast difference from the church being imperfect and defective and being in omega, antichrist apostasy. Ellen White said open sin (evil) should be removed if the perpetrators refuse to reform. She also said that it is IMPOSSIBLE to unite with the corrupt and remain/become pure and ripened wheat.

 

"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137. 

 

Thorns are mere insincere believers (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 70-72. Thorns choke out and kill the wheat. Thorns are open sinners.

 

"Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation. To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.

 

The wheat can mature amongst tares [insincere believers whose motives we would have to judge in order to remove them], but the wheat cannot mature amongst thorns, open, apostate sinners, because they choke out and kill the wheat. This is why true reformers have separated from open sin apostate churches in every succeeding generation, Desire of Ages, 232. On that page, note that the only reason for separation of the true reformers given is that the ecclesiastical leaders would not tolerate light--truth.

 

The Church Triumphant Will Be Faithful and Christlike

 

The work is soon to close. The members of the church militant who have proved faithful will become the church triumphant.—Evangelism, 707 (1892). {LDE 62.1}

 

There is always an earthly representative of the church in heaven, and they are called True Reformers in every successive generation. DA 232.

"The members of the church triumphant--the church in heaven--will be permitted to draw near to the members of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity." E. G. White, The Southern Watchman, Sep. 8, 1903.  

True Reformers are Registered/Written Members of the Church in Heaven Where They Now Enter by Faith (EW 451-455.

"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151, & Review and Herald, Oct. 13, 1891. Also see DA 232.

 

Walter Veith says none are any better than all others. Is that true by the above statement and members of the church triumphant being permitted to draw near to the members of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity. There is always  a faithful church triumphant on earth. Is it BY GOD’S GRACE no better than anyone else?

 

Read about the True Reformers in every succeeding generation, DA 232, and faithful men in every age constituting the church, Acts of the Apostles, pp. 11, 12.

 

The life of Christ was a life charged with a divine message of the love of God, and He longed intensely to impart this love to others in rich measure. Compassion beamed from His countenance, and His conduct was characterized by grace, humility, truth, and love. Every member of His church militant must manifest the same qualities, if he would join the church triumphant.—Fundamentals of Christian Education, 179 (1891). {LDE 62.2}

 

“The old standard bearers knew what it was to wrestle with God in prayer, and to enjoy the outpouring of His Spirit. But these are passing off from the stage of action; and who are coming up to fill their places? How is it with the rising generation? Are they converted to God? Are we awake to the work that is going on in the heavenly sanctuary, or are we waiting for some compelling power to come upon the church before we shall arouse? Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come.” {1SM 122.1}

 

Conclusions

 

·       Walter Veith speaks against MARGINALIZING the Spirit of Prophecy and relegating things to 19th century thinking, but he continually avoids the application of the PREFIGURE (GC p. 25) of Ezekiel 9 (5T 211) TYPOLOGY in preference to ancient early B.C. typologies, after the manner of Jesuit preterists.

·       The latest most UP TO DATE TYPOLOGY in the Bible is the PREFIGURE ministry and example of Jesus Christ and His faithful followers. All who reject that example out of a motive of faith and love for Christ, will experience another literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.

·       Chapter One of The Great Controversy, is the TYPOLOGY (PREFIGURE, p. 25) Veith and Andrew Henriques, and every SDA true minister should be teaching. Ancient (Jesuit perterist) applications of typologies in the early experience of the Hebrews do not parallel the time and place of God’s modern-day Israel and their probationary time. Because they have the example of the Jews, they are not given the same time period of probation, so the ancient typologies do not apply as perfectly as the typology of Jesus and His followers beginning in A.D. 27 and ending in A.D. 70, in the destruction of His first “chosen” “remnant” people.

·       Walter Veith refers to the new movement as God’s bride. That is a total misnomer and misrepresentation.

·       The True Reformers have been the bride of Christ in every succeeding generation, DA 232. But these Walter Veith refers to as bleating sheep and tells the people not to listen to the bleating sheep.

·       We are to act on truth as soon as we learn it, otherwise Ellen White says we will not receive additional light.

 

In the Name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,

 

R. William Beaulieu