The Errant Teachings of Nader Mansour

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Adam,

 

Ellen White says very clearly that there are three distinct persons. Nader is misunderstanding the quotes he is using. He is interpreting them so that they contradict the following statements. When he works things out so that nothing contradicts, as I have done on the Godhead, he will arrive at the truth.

 

"In the first chapter of Second Peter is presented the progressive work in the Christian life. The whole chapter is a lesson of deep importance. If man, in acquiring the Christian graces, works on the plan of addition, God has pledged Himself to work in his behalf upon the plan of multiplication. “Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord.” The work is laid out before every soul that has acknowledged his faith in Jesus Christ by baptism, and has become a receiver of the pledge from the three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Manuscript 57, 1900).  {6BC 1074.9}

 

Chapter 3—Three Persons in the Godhead
"There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.—Evangelism, 615. {7ABC 441.9}
The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.—Counsels on Health, 222.  {7ABC 442.1}


"The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour.
There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ....  {SpTB07 63.2}

 

Jesus is ETERNAL GOD

 

"The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father."  {1SM 247.4}

 

"In speaking of His pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him."—The Signs of the Times, August 29, 1900.  {7ABC 440.4}

 

"The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity—The eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit—arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, ... would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin."—Manuscript 145, 1901.  {Ev 616.4}


"Personality of the Holy Spirit—We need to realize that
the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds."—Manuscript 66, 1899 (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.).  {Ev 616.5}


"
The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God...."  {Ev 616.6}


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The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”—Manuscript 20, 1906.  {Ev 617.1}


The Power of God in the Third Person—The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God
in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit."—Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897).  {Ev 617.2}


"In Co-operation With the Three Highest Powers—We are to co-operate with
the three highest powers in heaven,—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,—and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God."—Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905).  {Ev 617.3}

----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Beaulieu

To: adventist Hot Issues

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:59 AM

Subject: Misinterpretation running rampant!

 

I want to demonstrate how Nader Mansour misapplied a very important quote on his video. I don't say he did it intentionally, but he does not begin to understand how the Holy Spirit is the pre-Incarnated person of the Son's DIVINE ONLY personage that was divested from the humanity of the son because His humanity cumbered that Spirit. Nader uses the following quote to substantiate his errant premise that the holy Spirit is not a third person, but rather the Spirit of God. Nader cites only this portion of the following quote in an attempt to prove that the Holy Spirit is the presence of God, not Christ: "I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you."

 

The divine Spirit that the world's Redeemer promised to send, is the presence and power of God." Here is the full statement in context. "I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you." The divine Spirit that the world's Redeemer promised to send, is the presence and power of God. He will not leave his people in the world destitute of his grace, to be buffeted by the enemy of God, and harassed by the oppression of the world; but he will come to them. The world cannot see the truth; they know not the Father or the Son, but it is only because they do not desire to know God, they do not wish to look upon Jesus, to see His goodness, His love, His heavenly attractions. Jesus is inviting all men to accept him; and wherever the heart is open to receive him, He [Christ, via His Holy Spirit] will come in, gladdening the soul with the light and joy of His presence.”

 

The above statement in its full context proves that Jesus is God, for the presence and power of God is further delineated as the presence of God. What the above statement proves is that Christ is God, when we apply more of the weight of evidence defining grace:

 

"They must have His grace, the SPIRIT OF CHRIST [NOT THE FATHER], to help their infirmities, or they cannot form a Christian character. Jesus loves to have us come to Him, just as we are--sinful, helpless, dependent." Faith and Works, p. 38. In all actuality, all three persons come to us via the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT, John 14:23, to wit: Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." John 14:23. In context, John 14 discusses the Comforter, the Spirit of Christ, coming to us. Ellen White says Jesus is the Comforter.

 

Ellen White and the Bible agree on the work of the Holy Spirit via the Son:

 

Act 3:26  Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

All blessings,

 

Ron

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Adam Golebiewski

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Restitution ministries

 

 

Thank you for the link. I am watching the lecture of Nader Mansour on Alpha and Omega (Trinity and SDA):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iQcrbi774U

 

What do you think about it?

 

Adam