God’s Organized Body—
Who
is it? What is it? Where is it?
When
is it? And Why is it? Where is
the Porch and the Altar Today?
Joel 2:17 Let the priests, the ministers
of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people,
O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule
over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where [is] their
God?
“'Where two or three are gathered together in My name,
there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is even among the humble
few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of the High and Holy One
who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p. 315.
"The warning for the last church [Laodicea] also must be
proclaimed to all who claim to be Christians. The Laodicean message, like a
sharp, two--edged sword, must go to ALL
THE CHURCHES:... It is our work to proclaim this
message. Are we putting forth every effort that the churches may be
warned?" Testimonies, vol. 6, p. 77.
I promise you in the name of the God
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that any professing Seventh-day Adventist who
carefully and prayerfully reads this document will be in for the shock of
his/her life as a Seventh-day Adventist. If I had the means,
I would give every Seventh-day Adventist in the world $100 or more to read this
document. I would give them another $100 to any who tried to refute it!
I would/will publish on my Website, the rebuttal of any professing Seventh-day
Adventist who thinks he/she can refute the weight of evidence in this document.
That is as fair, just, and honest as anyone could be.
As of 2011, Adventists have been
an entity on the earth for 167 years. Would you agree that it is about time
Adventist learn WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN AND WHY God’s organized body is? I will
tell you of a truth friend that to this
day, Adventists still have a wrong conception of God’s organized body and that
wrong conception will be the reason most Adventists will lose out on eternal
life. Because this is true, this issue is of extreme unction to God’s people
the world over.
In one short, easy to understand
statement, Ellen White defined God’s church and what it IS NOT. Please
carefully and prayerfully note:
"God has a church. It
is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment,
neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep
His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.' Where Christ is
even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence of
the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a
church." Upward Look, p. 315.
· God indeed has a
church. That is the subject.
· God’s church is not
the great cathedral or the mega churches.
· It is not any national
establishment established by any nation such as the Anglican church
established by the nation of Great Britain.
· And most
importantly—for Seventh-day Adventists, IT IS NOT THE VARIOUS DENOMINATIONS! Is
professing Seventh-day Adventism an organized denomination since 1863? Oh yes
indeed it is! It that DENOMINATION God’s church? NO! NO! NO! Not if you believe
its prophetess Ellen Gould White.
Thus far we have learned WHAT
God’s church IS NOT. Now we will review WHO, WHAT,
WHERE AND WHEN IT IS:
· God’s church
(organized body) is the people who love God and KEEP His commandments.
· WHERE two or three are
gathered together in My name, there God is in the
midst of them.' If Jesus is with one other person, is that TWO gathered
together? Ellen White says that Jesus would have died for any ONE person on
earth. WOULD JESUS AND THAT ONE PERSON have constituted His church on earth?
WHERE Christ is, even among any humble few who love Him and KEEP His
commandments, this is Christ’s church, His organized body.
· WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN
AND HOW is a church constituted? Only God’s PRESENCE can constitute a church.
When His presence is amongst any who love Him and KEEP His commandments,
that is God’s organized body, HIS CHURCH.
Some, like Walter Veith and his
followers, as well as the highest leaders in the SDA professing new movement
church (1SM 204-205) believe very sincerely that Laodicean is the final church
of God because it is the 7th and last church mentioned in Revelation
chapters 2 and 3. Is that a true belief or it is purely a fallacious lie, that
if trusted, will result in the loss of most professing Seventh-day Adventists?
Let’s have a further look at Laodicea as defined by a woman Seventh-day
Adventists PRETEND to accept as their prophetess, while MOST really don’t
believe much of what she says at all.
"The church is in the
Laodicean condition. The presence of God in not in her
midst." Notebook Leaflets,
p. 99.
Let’s carefully, prayerfully
consider some important facts about Laodicea:
· God gave us a licence
to come together and reason by instructing us to do exactly that.
· Ellen White said that
the 7th and final church is in the Laodicean (lukewarm) condition
and that the presence of God is not in her midst’s.
· Ellen White said that only
the presence of God can constitute a church. So is Laodicea a church?
· Laodicea does not
qualify as a church unless God’s presence is found in her?
· What is Laodicea when
God’s presence is not found in her? It is the Synagogue of Satan.
·
Did Ellen White say Satan entered Laodicea a many
decades ago?
·
“PH086 - Special Testimony
to Battle Creek Church (1898)
· The Lord Jesus demands that every soul make a reality of truth. Show
that you believe that you are not half with Christ and half with the world. Of
all such Christ says, "I would thou wert cold or hot. So then, because
thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will
spew thee out of my mouth." He who appreciates
the love of Christ, will be an earnest worker with Christ to bring other souls
as sheaves to the Master. Thorough work is always done by all who are connected
with Christ. They bear fruit to his glory. But indolence and carelessness and
frivolity separate the soul from Christ, and Satan comes in to work his will
with the poor worldly subject, We have a great truth,
but through careless indifference the truth has lost its force upon us. Satan has come in with his specious temptations, and has led the
professed followers of Christ away from their Leader, classing them with the
foolish virgins. {PH086 23.2}
· So 113 years ago, in
1893, Satan entered the professing SDA church and it became classed with the
foolish virgins?
· Has the professing SDA
church become better or worse since 1898? Was the
church to get better or worse? Was apostasy to cease or wax stronger?
·
Wax stronger "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great
apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the
Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are
to hold fast the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from
strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been
substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our
experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more
earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the
manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning,
after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the
confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving
heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any
languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special
Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).
“I am charged to tell our people
that some do not realize that the devil has device after device that he carries
out in ways that make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am
laid to rest great changes will take place.” Elmshaven, February 24, 1915. Unpublished testimony of Ellen G. White. February 24, 1915. http://www.theoriginalpath.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/When-I-Am-Laid-To-Rest.pdf
[It is not difficult to understand why this
statement is an “unpublished” statement!]
· Great changes after Ellen
White’s death: “I am charged to tell our
people, that do not realize, that the devil has device after device, and he
carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make
sinners out of saints. I tell you now,
that when I am laid to rest GREAT CHANGES will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I
desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them
fully before my death.” E.G. White,
Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915.
· The above statement no longer
appears at the Ellen G. White Complete Works at this link: https://egwwritings.org/ It appears in the
works of the following SDA Ministers: Robert J. Wieland and Donald K. Shorts
1888 Examined, and the following work by Vance Ferrell:
·
I
tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place.... I
want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death. Manuscript
1, February 24, 1915. Quoted by Vance Ferrell at this link: http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-Resource%20Library/Last-Day-Events.pdf
· 1888 Examined, Robert J. Wieland and Donald K. Short: http://www.gospel-herald.com/wieland/1888re_ex/rx_chapter_12.htm
·
Can God hold it against ANY true SDA for believing
Ellen White’s final statement to the church in 1915, that when she died, great
changes would take place in the church and Satan would continue to make sinners
of saints. Does this sound like a change for the better since the 1898 entrance
of Satan into the church and classed it with the foolish virgins?
·
Are foolish virgins saved? Can a foolish virgin
“church” SEAL and SAVE YOU? Can any denomination SEAL and SAVE you? Not that I
know of!
·
Is a foolish virgin “church” the “Jerusalem” we are
SEALED BY AND IN?
·
Is a foolish virgin Synagogue of Satan (because he
entered and took over) where the porch and the altar is wherein we are to weep
between?
·
Have SDA leaders, including Dr. Walter Veith, errantly
instructed us that the porch and the altar between which we are to weep for
God’s people, resides in the foolish virgin Synagogue of Satan?
·
Ellen White said that ALL the ancient prophets wrote
more for us than the Jews. Does this UPDATE Isaiah 56:10-12 to NOW? Is Walter
Veith excluded from these verses when they include ALL the watchmen THREE TIMES? Is Roger
Morneau excluded from these verses? Is any “watchman” who is a member of the
foolish virgin Synagogue of Satan which has removed God, (1SM 205), excluded
from Isaiah 56:10-12? Can God EVER fault us for believing such serious
instruction as Isaiah 56:10-12, JUST AS IT READS, when Ellen White says that
all who don’t take the Word “just as it reads will be taken in a snare?”
·
Are most SDA’s today taken in a snare because they
refuse to update the sayings of all the ancient prophets to NOW?
·
Would the Bible be a far more exciting and compelling
Book to EVERYONE, and so importantly OUR YOUTH, if every Seventh-day Adventists
would UPDATE its sayings to NOW?
·
Does Dr. Walter Veith and
ALL other SDA leaders who are members of the new movement Satan has formed
“among” (within) believe Isaiah 56:10-12 applies to them? Not that I know of!
·
Does Ellen White reapply Isaiah 56:10-12 in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, to NOW,
wherein she mentions the “dumb-dogs” who will NEVER AGAIN show the House of
Jacob its sins?
·
Is Babylon the House of Jacob?”
·
Is Babylon those who have been “privileged with great
light?”
·
SDA leaders say in the compilation book Last Day Events, that Ellen White made
only ONE STATEMENT that expressed a loss of confidence in the SDA church. That
is far from true as the document at this link proves: https://omega77.tripod.com/leavestate.htm
·
The above statement was made in 1915, the same year
Ellen White died. She died July 16, 1915. So just five months before Ellen
White died, she said that God charged her to tell professing Seventh-day
Adventists that the devil would make sinners out of saints and that great
changes would take place when she was laid to rest. And she said the apostasy
would wax stronger. Some of us KNOW that is EXACTLY what has happened.
·
Is cold apostasy a lukewarm state? Not that I know of!
·
Can Laodicea be God’s organized church if God’s
presence is not in her midsts?
·
Can God hold ANYONE responsible for believing Ellen G.
White’s statements that only Christ’s presence can constitute a church and that
His presence in not in Laodicea’s midst?
·
Does God and His
prophetess speak with a forked-tongue on this issue so that we cannot be sure
of what either means on this all important issue of defining His church? I
would not think so, since God instructs us to let our conversation be YEA or
NAY and that all in-between is of Satan.
Let’s carefully,
prayerfully, study more about Laodicea, to wit:
"The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E.
G. White, Review and Herald Articles,
Vol. 2, 420, 8/19/1890.
Questions:
· If Laodicea is the foolish virgin state of the church, and all who
remain in that state are lost, how is Laodicea the final church?
· When one heeds the counsel of the True Witness in the message to
Laodicea, Revelation 3, is he/she still classed as a Laodicean (lukewarm or
cold apostate)?
Did Ellen White call ALL CHURCHES in the world Laodicean? Did she say
that the Laodicea message applied to ALL OF THEM? Please carefully and
prayerfully note: "The warning for the last church
[Laodicea] also must be proclaimed to all who claim to be Christians. The
Laodicean message, like a sharp, two--edged sword, must go to ALL THE CHURCHES:...It
is our work to proclaim this message. Are we putting forth every effort that
the churches may be warned?" Testimonies, vol. 6, p. 77.
· If Loadicea is the 7th and final church and applies ONLY TO THE
SDA CHURCH, as ALL SDA LEADERS ERRANTLY TEACH, including Dr. Walter Veith, how
is it that Ellen White applied Laodicea to ALL THE CHURCHES—TO ALL WHO CLAIM TO
BE CHRISTIANS? Count the number of denominations who claim to be Christian. AND
while you are counting, consider that SDA LEADERS AND LAITY ALIKE, SAY THAT ANY
OTHER LAODICEA OTHER THAN SDA LAODICEA WOULD CONSTITUTE AN 8TH
CHURCH. Do you see anything wrong with this picture? Do you see PURE DELUSION?
Do you see Satanic “device” delusion? If you don’t,
you should go into your closet, close the door, and pray until you do see
something Satanically wrong with professing SDA’s teaching that Laodicea
applies only to them AS THE FINAL AND FAITHFUL CHURCH TRIUMPHANT, and that any
other church would be an 8th, 9th, 10th, etc.,
etc., ad infinitum! How foolish can foolish virgins get?
· Ellen White said that all the messages to the seven churches of
Revelation 2 and 3 apply to the end-time:
"The names of the seven churches are symbolic of the church
in different periods of the Christian Era. The number indicates completeness,
and is symbolic of the fact that the messages [plural] extend to the end of
time, while the symbols used reveal the condition of the church [collectively
and generally] at different periods in the history of the world." E.G.
White, The Acts of the Apostles, 585.
Christ’s Object
Lessons, pp. 405, 406, mentions three classes amongst
two groups.
1.
Class #1: The bride’s
house, p. 405. Lingering near the bride’s house (not at it) are ten young
virgins.
2.
Class #2: Five wise
virgins.
3.
Class #3: Five foolish
virgins.
The voice of God and the voice of the bride,
awakens all ten virgins and Matthew 25 says they all slumbered and slept.
The bride is distinguished from the 10 virgins whom she awakens. And
since there are two groups amongst the ten virgins, this makes 3 classes: The
bride, the wise virgins and the foolish virgins. But one could reckon them as
only two groups, because the bride are wise virgins as well, but very special
bethulah (Hebrew) virgins, Isaiah 62:1-5 who are married, and all other virgins
are brides maidens and guests at the wedding. If guests they cannot be the
bride and if the bride they cannot be the guests.
“Christ with His disciples is seated upon the Mount of Olives. The sun
has set behind the mountains, and the heavens are curtained with the shades of
evening. In full view is a dwelling house lighted up brilliantly as if for some
festive scene. The light streams from the openings, and an expectant company
wait around, indicating that a marriage procession is soon to appear. In many
parts of the East, wedding festivities are held in the evening. The bridegroom
goes forth to meet his bride and bring her to his home. By torchlight the bridal party proceed from her father's house
to his own, where a feast is provided for the invited
guests.
In the scene upon which Christ looks, a
company are awaiting the appearance of the bridal party, intending to join the
procession.
Lingering
near the bride's house are ten young women robed in white. Each carries a
lighted lamp and a small flagon for oil. All are anxiously watching for the
appearance
of the bridegroom. But
there is a delay. Hour after hour passes; the watchers become weary and fall
asleep. At midnight the cry is heard, "Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out
to meet him." The sleepers, suddenly awaking, spring to their feet. They see the
procession moving on, bright with torches and glad with music. They hear the voice of
the bridegroom and the voice of the
bride. The ten maidens seize their lamps and begin to trim them, in haste to
go forth. But five have neglected to fill their flasks with oil. They did not
anticipate so long a delay, and they have not prepared for the emergency. In
distress they appeal to their wiser companions saying, "Give us of your
oil; for our lamps are going out." (Margin.) But
the waiting five, with their freshly trimmed lamps, have emptied their flagons.
They have no oil to spare, and they answer, "Not so; lest there be not
enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for
yourselves."
While
they went to buy, the procession moved on, and left them behind. The five with
lighted lamps joined the throng and entered the house with the bridal train,
and the door was shut. When the foolish virgins reached the banqueting hall,
they received an unexpected denial. The master of the feast declared, "I
know you not." They were left standing without, in the empty street, in
the blackness of the night.
As
Christ sat looking upon the party that waited for the bridegroom, He told His
disciples the story of the ten virgins, by their experience illustrating the
experience of the church that shall live just before His second coming.
The two
classes of watchers represent the two classes who profess to be waiting for
their Lord. They are called virgins because they profess a pure faith. By the
lamps is represented the word of God. The psalmist says, "Thy word is a
lamp unto my feet, and a light unto may path." Christ’s Object Lessons, 405, 406.
"To the end of time, the
presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.
Another
Coming Out: "As reformers they had come out of the denominational
churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We
hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out." Ellen
G. White, The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, Vol. 1, p. 356-7.
Here
is what SDA leaders who compiled Last Day Events, say about the above
statement. This is one of the most bigoted, lying abominations ever penned by
SDA leaders. This is how they fulfill Isaiah 9:16 to lead SDA’s to destruction:
“I was confirmed in all I had stated in
Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be
made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon
the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and
privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but
they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that
there would not be the necessity for another coming out.
[THIS IS THE ONLY KNOWN STATEMENT FROM THE PEN OF ELLEN WHITE INDICATING THAT
SHE MIGHT HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH
ORGANIZATION. THE DOUBT WHICH SHE EXPRESSED HERE WAS NEVER REPEATED DURING THE
REMAINING TWENTY-SIX YEARS OF HER LIFE.] While
we will endeavor to keep the "unity of the Spirit" in the bonds of
peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry.”--EGW'88
356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}
SDA
leaders add that notation (in caps) to the above statement as it appears in Last
Day Events, which is their compilation book of Ellen White statements on
the end-time. They say the above statement is the ONLY
ONE she ever made
that expressed a loss of confidence in the SDA church. That is a diabolical
die, for there are many, many statements wherein Ellen White expressed a loss
of confidence in the church with the greatest of them all being her prophecy of
the final outcome of the church militant, to wit:
"Jesus
sends HIS PEOPLE a message of
warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing
work in the great plan of man's redemption. He
beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting
gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation,
and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and
give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that
made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6,
7.].
The
angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message,
symbolizes a class of faithful
men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings
of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to
the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their
connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE
NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in
darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children
of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night
nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5].
The watchmen upon the walls of Zion
should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to
lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to
warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of
peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS
CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet
destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of
religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone
could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces
of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism,
vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the
signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to
fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED
THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED
TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his
promises were NOT FULFILLED to them." E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy,
vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The
Great Controversy, 199, 200].
Ellen White is speaking directly to the people
who received the Revelation 14 commission of the three angel’s messages. The
church knew the truth and backslid from it. The church refused to comply with
the conditions, so God’s promises WERE NOT fulfilled to it. This could not be
any plainer.
Are you are aware that the leaders let the
1884 edition of The Great Controversy lapse out of copyright and quit
printing it. It was not available for awhile until an SDA Doctor began to
reprint it on his own. The General Conference took the Doctor to court to stop
the publication of the 1884 edition of the Great Controversy (Spirit of
Prophecy, vol. 4), but the Doctor won the case. So the GC began to publish
the book once again. God showed me that the reason the GC did not want the book
in circulation is because of Ellen White’s statement (pp. 199, 200) above which
shows the final outcome of the church.
Combine that statement with Ellen White’s
statement that after her death there would be great changes made—implying that
Satan’s devices would be employed in the church to make sinners our of saints
and many other “loss of confidence” statements by Ellen White about the church,
and you will know what liars the leaders are to tell you that the following
statement is the only ONE Ellen White ever made that showed a loss of
confidence in the church:
https://omega77.tripod.com/leavestate.htm
Another
Coming Out: “I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last
message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors.
I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong
to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the
soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such
gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error,
we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in
the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without
being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is
forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The
angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of
the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels;
and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness.” {EW 124.3}
"Even
though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles,
leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah
refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not
permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his
safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will
endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve
before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with
them Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not
the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and
ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review
& Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.
"If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not
stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as
having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul
spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had
opportunities to hear and receive the truth, and who have united with the
Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people
of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the
nominal churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the
churches who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.
If
Laodicea is not regarded with any more favor by God than the fallen churches,
and the call of Laodicea is to all churches, then there is no difference
between Laodicea and the fallen churches as far as being in a fallen state is
concerned. Different churches believe different aspects of Babylonian
teachings, but Ellen White equates them all as far as falling from the favor of
God is concerned, and as far as constituting the cage of every unclean and
hateful bird.
God’s True Organized Body
God says in Isaiah 56:10-12 that professed “watchmen” like Dr. Walter
Veith and other SDA leaders, ALL cannot understand the
truth. Do you
believe God? Or does your mind instantly begin to reflect
on your favorite SDA leaders whom YOU THINK to be pure wheat? They will not understand or agree with what
constitutes the real organized body of Christ. It would be too demeaning to
their ecclesiastical, spiritual and human pride to cede to a mere “pawn” messenger like me. I am as nothing to them. And in essence, Ellen White is as nothing to them because they
glean from her only what supports their perverted preferences. And what is far
worse, God’s Word is as nothing to them because they grossly violate it.
In Testimonies,
Vol. 5, 211, Ellen White indicts them with UNBELIEF. They don’t really believe
her or God’s Word. Thus, they grossly violate both. The church claims the gift
of prophecy as a device or proselytizing numbers, but like the Jews, they do
not heed the prophets.
But
getting back to God’s True organized body, we are going to study the experience
of that body past and present. Jesus asked poignant questions as a teaching
device, so that is what I am going to employ in regard to God’s organized body.
Questions:
· Going way back to Shiloh, the first civilized encampment of the
Tabernacle after the 40 years Israel wandered in the Sinai desert, who was
God’s organized church per the following statement: "The recreant priests added
licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by
their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come
into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt
course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up
to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed,
their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their
sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to
God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the
Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the
Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.
· Was the apostate “organized” appointed place
(Sanctuary—the Tabernacle) God’s organized body, His true church, or was it
those who worshipped at home and offered sacrifices themselves?
· Was the above group God’s church split into atoms, a
cult, stray offshoots here and there, or were they actually
God’s church where His presence was? Was His presence at the apostate
Sanctuary?
· Who, what, where, when and why, was God’s organized
body (church) in the following Bible verses?
9And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the
inhabitants of Jerusalem.
10They are turned back to the
iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went
after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have
broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
11Therefore thus saith the
LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to
escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.
12Then shall the cities of
Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they
offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their
trouble.
13For according to the number
of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the
streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars
to burn incense unto Baal.
14Therefore pray not thou for this people,
neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time
that they cry unto me for their trouble.
15What hath my beloved to do in mine house, seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.” Jeremiah 11:9-15.
· Who is implied by the words “my beloved?” Is it not
the faithful bride of Christ?
· Who is God’s organized body in the above Bible verses?
· Where was the porch and the
altar the faithful were to weep between in the above verses?
· Where was sealing, saving virtue?
· Who is implied by the words “she hath wrought lewdness
with many?” Those words indict the Temple leaders and all who followed them in
apostasy.
· What do the words “...and the holy flesh is passed
from thee” mean? God departed because He cannot remain where sin is practised.
· What do the words: “....when thou doest evil, then
thou rejoicest” mean? I’ll tell you exactly what they mean in application to
the modern-day apostasy of SDA’s who joined Vatican II’s Celebration Movement,
which also embraced the vile actions of the Pentecostal movement. And what did
SDA’s doe when they did evil by joining that movement? They celebrated! They
REJOICED! They rejoiced in their iniquity. And Ellen White saw them raucous
rejoicing in that iniquity right up to just before the probation, to wit:
· "The things you
have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take
place just
before the close of probation. Every
uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music,
and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot
be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy
Spirit.
The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of
noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for
making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating,
ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of
God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last
January was represented to me would be brought into
our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of
converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and pervert that which if
conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with
the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirits
working." Selected Messages, Vol. 2, p. 36.
· Tell me friends, how
does a church imbibe every uncouth thing up to just before the close of probation
and THEN develop the character to be saved? Please write and tell me all about
it and I will publish your response on my Website. But do us both a favor and
don’t forget to reconcile Ellen White’s 1884 prophesied outcome of the church
in your statement of rebuttal. The Great
Controversy, 1884 edition, pp. 199, 200, cited in this document. And before
you submit your rebuttal, please ask Dr. Walter Veith and your pastor to explain
that statement. Why is not the young couple who interviews Dr. Veith on YouTube
not asking these types of questions? Is it because they do not want to know the
truth? Is it because they don’t want to disturb the status quo and peace and
safety by rocking the proverbial boat? I’ll let them answer these questions if
they will, and I will publish their response on my Website. I promise!
· God’s people conspired with His enemies. That was
unpardonable sin.
· Will God have to apologize to the apostate Jews of
Jeremiah 11:9-15, because He permits His people today to conspire/confederate
with His enemies today—Babylon associations, counsels/councils, girdings and
confederacies/conspiracies via ecumenical liaison with Babylon EVEN IF IT WERE
ONLY MEMBERSHIP IN BABYLON’S LOCAL MINISTERIAL ASSOCIATIONS, WHICH EVERY SDA MEMBER CAN PROVE, even when the leaders lie about more
deeply entrenched ecumenical MEMBERSHIP in most of the National Councils of Churches in the civilized world.
· Can Walter Veith and any other SDA leader understand
and define the point at which the professing SDA committed unpardonable sin?
Two credentialed ministers with their Doctorate of Divinity, Dr.’s John
Grosboll and the late Dr. Ralph Larson, rightly concluded that the church had
committed unpardonable sin. The unpardonable sins are:
1. The antichrist embracement of Rome’s central doctrine,
the Trinity Doctrine.
2. Disobedience of Isaiah 8:9-12, via ecumenical
conspiracy/confederation/association with fallen Babylon, God’s enemies, with
the only option being “broken in pieces,” stated three times because of the
seriousness of this issue.
3. Embracing an antichrist doctrine on the human nature
of Jesus Christ.
4.
The worst abominations
are not knows to us says Ellen White, to wit:
“The abominations for which the faithful ones were sighing and crying were all that could be discerned by finite eyes, but by far the worst sins, those which provoked the jealousy of the pure and holy God, were unrevealed. The great Searcher of hearts knoweth every sin committed in secret by the workers of iniquity. These persons come to feel secure in their deceptions and, because of His long-suffering, say that the Lord seeth not, and then act as though He had forsaken the earth. But He will detect their hypocrisy and will open before others those sins which they were so careful to hide.” {5T 211.3}Which church was God’s organized body in the following statement? Was this church split into atoms? Was it “disorganized?” Was it an offshoot cult?
"The
Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem,
from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been
instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His
message, and to gather out those who should carry the
gospel to all nations.
As the
light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the
days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of
separating themselves from the established church but
the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and
those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the
truth.
In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by
their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented.
Often [PRESENT TENSE] those who follow in
the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love,
in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who
are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of
their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.
· What? I thought God does not withdraw from His people!
What is that word “withdrawal” doing in that statement anyway?! And it says Christ’s withdrawal has occurred in every succeeding generation! What?!
Is this a generation?! Are there true reformers in this generation?!
· Where was the porch and altar when Jesus left the
Temple and gathered out those who would take the gospel to the world?
· Where was the “organized church body” when Jesus left
and gathered out His disciples from the apostate church?
· Why did the true reformers leave the churches of their
fathers? What is the ONE REASON?
· Do the leaders today tolerate the light I am
presenting in this document?
· Are such PRESENT DAY Reformers a cult? Are they mere
offshoots? Are they split off atoms? Have they split the apostate church into
atoms? Have they split God’s true church into atoms? Are they an organized
UNDER CHRIST body? If not friend, why not?!
Who, What, Where, When and Way was the true organized body of Christ in
the following statements by Holy Spirit to our church?
"Christ
was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and
ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the
reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
·
I thought the wheat and
tares are supposed to grow together until the harvest at the end of time—until
the close of probation, Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 70 and on.
·
Was Christ an offshoot? Did
He break the true church up into atoms? Did He form a strayed cult? Did he
split the organized church up into atoms?
·
Was there no organized
church through whom Christ would work when He gathered out those who would do
His will?
·
Was the Reformation an
offshoot cult? Or were the Reformation Reformers the true church of their day
organized under Christ?
·
Didn’t Christ know the
wheat and tares were supposed to dwell together until the end of time, until
the end of probation? Did He violate His own message? Or are tares different
from open sinners?
·
If you have to impugn
(judge) the motives of tares in order to uproot them, are they different from
open sinners whom we are instructed to REFORM OR UPROOT IF THEY WON’T REPENT?
Tares are insincere believers, NOT OPEN SINNERS.
·
Where was
the porch and the altar in the days of Christ’s ministry on earth and in the
days of the Protestant Reformation?
Paul
left
"And
as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into
the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three
months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But
when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before
the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing
daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.
"Fearing
that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association
with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the
disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles,
p. 286.
·
Where was the organized church
when Paul separated and separated the disciples?
·
Where was
the porch and the altar where they could weep between?
·
Were they offshoots
splitting the organized church up into atoms?
·
Why did Paul separate by
departing from the apostates?
·
Didn’t Paul know that the
wheat and the tares were supposed to dwell tighter until the harvest at the
very end of time?!
·
Will Paul be lost because
he violated that condition?
Home Churches in Scripture
It
should be clear that if Christ and His Holy Spirit are not present, no valid
church accrues. Christ and His Holy Spirit are the leader of any valid church.
Act
13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and
teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene,
and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Rom
16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved
Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
Phm
1:2 And to [our] beloved Apphia, and Archippus our
fellow soldier, and to the church in thy house:
1Cr
16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and
Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
Col
4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church
which is in his house.
1
Corinthians 14:26 describes an early church meeting, in which everyone present
shared in providing hymns, instruction, revelation, tongues, or interpretation.
1Cr
14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together,
every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a
revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
Act
14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every
church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom
they believed.
Act
14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the
church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had
opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
1Pe
5:13 The [church that is] at Babylon, elected together
with [you], saluteth you; and [so doth] Marcus my son.
Rom
16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church
which is at Cenchrea:
Col
4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the
church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the [epistle] from
Laodicea.
1Cr
1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in
Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the
name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
·
Where these churches of
“separated brethren” offshoots who split the true church up into atoms? Were
they a stray offshoot cult? Was Christ in their presence?
·
Where was the porch and the alter when these churches were formed?
·
Where were the members of
those churches sealed and saved?
·
Were these churches God’s
organized church through whom He worked?
"There
is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them
where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that
the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their
ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.
·
Where was the true church
when these young men and woman were placed where they would come into contact
with the established church as little as possible? Were they offshoots? Did
they break the established church organization up into atoms? Were they stray
offshoots here and there?
·
If Ellen White gave the
above instruction in the alpha heresy, what in God’s world would she say today
in the omega heresy WERE SHE CONSISTENT and she said consistency is a jewel.
The Holy Spirit is consistent!
Ellen
White on Home Churches
When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy
in the church, what did they do where did they meet for worship?
"There is a little
hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will
come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of
piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it
means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.
"Brother and sister
Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have
gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible
readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the
hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are
regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected
with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible
readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a
number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p.
108.
Where was God’s Organized Body in 1844?
In the spring and summer of
1844, it was estimated that
Adventists numbered from 50,000 to 120,000, yet on the morning of October 22,
1844, only fifty (50) souls remained faithful out of the large number that had
professed to believe in Christ’s coming at that date.
·
Who was the organized body
of Christ on that day?
·
Was that small number of 50
an offshoot sect, a cult?
·
Did that small number
divide God’s church into atoms?
·
Were they called a cult
until 1957?
·
Why did they separate from
apostasy if the wheat are to dwell with the tares
until the close of probation, IF TARES ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM APOSTATES?
Dr. Walter Veith on Intercession, Reconciliation
It is a distinct spiritual and criminal abomination in and of itself to
attempt to proffer, pedal and propose intercession and reconciliation as being
available to God’s people AS A CORPORATE
APOSTATE CHURCH, Laodicea, after that once church has committed unpardonable
sin. At that point God asks the same question He poses in Jeremiah 11:15,
“...what hath my beloved [bride] to do in mine house [church] since she has wrought
lewdness with many.”
Dr. Veith has not a clue as to the seriousness of the apostasy of the
SDA church leaders, and he denounces corporate responsibility for their gross
apostasies, such as that of the SDA leader of the German Union Conference who
signed the SDA church in Germany into ecumenical alliance with the German
Federation of Churches, Satan’s subsidiary to his World Council of Churches,
whose stated goal is to make all churches one, with the implied intention of
ONE WORLD DAY OF WORSHIP.
Consider Dr. Walter Veith’s (Contradiction to the Spirit of Prophecy)
admonition of the element of INTERCESSION as mentioned on his video on Laodicea cf. Ellen White’s quoting of the
apostles in prophesying that Jeremiah 11 would have another fulfillment, to
wit: [Please note the word INTERCESSION]:
The SDA COUNTERPART FACTOR to the Jews
COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray
not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer
for them neither make intercession
to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes
the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets
prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love
to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them
even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the
prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also
the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when
there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its
COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of
godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to
be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts,
'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her
borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers,
'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their
abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears
upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald,
11-07-82.
"Shall
the Lord be compelled to say, `Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up
cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to Me:
for I will not hear thee' [Jeremiah 7:16]? `Therefore the showers have been
withholden, and there hath been no latter rain....Wilt thou not from this time
cry unto Me, My Father, thou art the guide of my youth' [Jeremiah 3:3-4]?...
We are to be judged by the light that has been given us,(159) and we can find
no excuse by which to extenuate our course." Review
and Herald, Vol. 3, p 69-70 (August 1, 1893). (Brackets by Ellen White)
COUNTERPART: "In the time of the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the
precious jewels of truth with the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it was
impossible to distinguish the true from the false. The Saviour came to clear
away the rubbish of superstition and long-cherished errors, and to set the
jewels of God's word in the framework of truth. What would the Saviour do if he
should come to us now as he did to the Jews? He would have to do a similar work
in clearing away the rubbish of tradition and ceremony. The Jews were greatly
disturbed when he did this work [As are SDA's today!]. They had lost sight of
the original truth of God, but Christ brought it again to view. It is our work
to free the precious truths of God from superstition and error." E.G.
White, Review and
Herald, Vol. 2, 308.
The
Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, "Pray not thou for this
people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them; neither make intercession to
me; for I will not hear thee." The prophet thus describes the sins which
had called forth this fearful denunciation: "The prophets prophesy
falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have
it so; and what will ye do in the end thereof?" "From the least of
them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness; and
from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have
healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace,
peace, when there is no peace." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 8}
The apostles declare that this state of things will find its counterpart in the
last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the
power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at
their state. They say in their hearts, "The church is flourishing. Peace
and spiritual prosperity are within her borders." The words of the prophet
may well apply to these self-deceivers, "They have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their
delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." {RH, November 7, 1882
par. 9}
Who else but SDA’s could qualify as the COUNTERPART
of the Jews when they both are “chosen people” who claim to keep the
commandments of God and constitute a remnant?!
Many
SDA’s are worshipping the idol tales of Dr. Veith to their own damnation. I
recommend Dr. Veith’s materials because he gives a
lot of important truth but it is mingled with serious errors. Heed the truth
parts but avoid his serious errors or you will lose your salvation. And
remember that Satan uses that very device of mixing truth with error with such
deceptive adeptness that he appears to many as an
angel of light. And he is accusing those with the true light with this very
accusation.
May
God’s people awaken to the seriousness of the times, is my every continuum of
prayer.
—rwb
Note:
While I am writing a document I often make a note to myself with the words
“Begin Ron” so I can find my place when I have to be called away from writing.
So if I forget to delete such a reminder to myself, you will know what I mean.
I did that in the last document I wrote.