Then, those like yourself (S--) come to the conclusion that it is very difficult to meet those standards.
In my case, it's Romans 7:19+1st John 1:8+Vain efforts to reach this perfection.
S--.
RP to S--:
Yes, that is very true. We all have sinned, but notice that this is the past tense. Also notice that this does not say that we are actively sinning, but the indication is that we have the capability to sin. But this was also true of Jesus. He had the capability to sin, but He never activated that capability. How do we know? Because He testified that He did nothing except what His heavenly Father told Him to do. He never choose to do things His way.
And it is also true that when we choose to activate our will to do what God asks us to do, that this sin which indwells us strives for attention and demands obedience to our sinful desires. But consider this truism.
It isn't the greatness of the sin that overtakes a man that is the measure of the man, but the sin that he overcomes.
Perfection is a life style, not a destination. It is a way of living, not some level of accomplishment.
RP to S--:
Likewise, if you want to reach the perfection that so many claim or set up as the goal, all you need to do is lie about it like they do. It is that easy.
S-- to RP:
But, what about EGW said?
RP to S--:
I suspect that I have already addressed that question. If not, then repost it.
RP to S--:
P.S. There is a reachable standard of perfection, but it is seldom the one(s) most talk about.
What kind of standard do you mean?
God bless you,
S--.
RP to S--:
Just as I have already described. It is the standard outlined in James 1:2-4, where we get into the habit of choosing God's way in every situation. Where, as in Romans 7, we come to the realization that there is no escape from the sin which dwell within us, EXCEPT through Jesus Christ our Lord.
You are asking the most important questions that we can discuss as we stand in this end time of earth's history. Our eternal salvation hinges on how we believe here, not the nature of the trinity.
Note by Ron Beaulieu:
Our Salvation here depends on what we believe about what the Godhead has done for us (the greatest gift possible for mankind--the Holy Spirit life, breath and soul of Christ) as a regenerating agency. Without this, neither obedience, overcoming or perfection can be attained. RP here betrays his gross ignorance of the importance of the Godhead and who and what was given to us by the Sacrifice of the Son and Jesus Christ.
Now RP is still continuing his harangue against me and my message. Will he be next to receive the plight of his wife? If God permitted two she-bears to kill 42 children because they insulted Elisha and his bald head, what do you think He will permit when the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) of His Son Jesus, is insulted and maligned?
2Ki 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2Ki 2:2 And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said [unto him, As] the LORD liveth, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.
2Ki 2:3 And the sons of the prophets that [were] at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know [it]; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:4 And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, [As] the LORD liveth, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho.
2Ki 2:5 And the sons of the prophets that [were] at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know [it]; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:6 And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the LORD hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, [As] the LORD liveth, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.
2Ki 2:7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.
2Ki 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped [it] together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.
2Ki 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
2Ki 2:10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: [nevertheless], if thou see me [when I am] taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be [so].
2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki 2:12 And Elisha saw [it], and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
2Ki 2:13 He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan;
2Ki 2:14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where [is] the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.
2Ki 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which [were] to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
2Ki 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ki 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
2Ki 2:18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
2Ki 2:19 And the men of the city said unto Elisha, Behold, I pray thee, the situation of this city [is] pleasant, as my lord seeth: but the water [is] naught, and the ground barren.
2Ki 2:20 And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein. And they brought [it] to him.
2Ki 2:21 And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren [land].
2Ki 2:22 So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.
2Ki 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2Ki 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
2Ki 2:25 And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.
The above occurred after Elisha had just received a double-portion of the Holy Spirit which Elijah has possessed. Ironically enough, RP quotes James 5:17.
Elisha solicited a double portion of Elijah's (Elias') Spirit which was the ONE, ETERNAL, HOLY SPIRIT LIFE, BREATH AND SOUL of Jesus Christ, which was given as a regenerating agency. That regenerating agency can heal from sin and from afflictions resulting from sin. But that regenerating agency will not heal those who are blaspheming the Holy Ghost, which is unpardonable sin.
If 42 children were killed because of mocking Elisha's bald head, what do you think will happen to those who mock the Holy Spirit LIFE, BREATH AND SOUL of Jesus Christ, and those who teach the abominable, blasphemous error of the trinity doctrine that nullifies the Holy Spirit LIFE, BREATH AND SOUL of Jesus Christ? You have been forewarned.
No anointing service held, without repentance of such a grievous crime, will be honored by God. But more serious, such a heinous crime against the Holy Spirit is unpardonable according to the Bible and Ellen White. Both the messenger and the message depicting this unpardonable sin, have been cursed on this forum. Thus, the Holy Spirit has been cursed. It is still being mocked and cursed. The results will be recognized in the ensuing weeks and months regarding all who are willing to engage this serious blasphemy willingly, wantonly, knowingly.
I hereby prophesy again. I prophesy that no such anointing service can be honored. Beware of such cursing of the Holy Spirit of God and Christ, the ONE, ETERNAL, HOLY SPIRIT ESSENCE OF THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY GHOST, the very LIFE, BLOOD, BREATH AND SOUL of Jesus Christ. Also, beware of mocking and thus cursing the messengers who bring you the truth regarding such serious matters.
P.S.
Had I conducted the anointing service in mention, I would have counseled all participants prior to the service, that any unconfessed sin would nullify the intent of the service. That is what the attending minister should have done.
Ron Beaulieu