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----- Original Message -----

From: James King

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Church Syndrome and Matt. 23:15

 




James' general observations concerning:

 

http://omega77.tripod.com/churchsyndrome.htm

 

Excerpt:

 

I have attended a lot of SDA Evangelistic meetings in my life. I have noticed a common occurrence that is so common to all such meetings that one could properly refer to it as a syndrome. Here is how it works. Folk respond to the three angelís messages and join the SDA church. They are on fire for the truth. Like one man I knew, Rod Jacobs, they want to tell everyone they know the good news. Rod would excitedly tell the truth to his doctor, his dentist, his nurses and anyone who would listen to him.

 

But a strange phenomenon takes place. The Laodicean (do nothing) members of the church feel rebuked by the intensity of the new converts and in very sure but subtle ways they move to cool the fires of the new converts and their new, first love, Ephesus experience so that the new converts are soon just as indifferent as the Laodicean foolish virgin do nothings. This is part of the process by which new converts to the church are made twice the child of hell. ...

 

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Regarding the portion in RED, (above),

 

Perhaps the most visible way understanding what is being stated, is this:

 

Think back to when You first became a SDA. Chances are, you most likely did so from a result of "Revelation Seminars". Do you remember when you first came to a significant "understanding" of the Sabbath Issue, and the Mark of the Beast Issue?

 

-- And I would be willing to venture that you (like me), one day told your new-found Church Family that you thought it would be a good idea to "saturate" the Media (TV, Radio, Newspapers, Billboards, etc...), with relevent information concerning these topics.

 

-- And I would be just as willing to venture that you were informed by your Church Family that such thinking was not a "good idea", and that you shouldn't "rock the boat". ---- Which of course, you [and I] accepted that "counsel", (who are we kidding? you and I both know we did!), and of course, as a result your Christian Witnessing [of these issues] became rather stagnant.

 

On a somewhat different conversation: Now it is true that over the past few years the Media has become more and more "Centralized" (under the control of the very few elite), and thus, today there are far fewer Less "opportunities" to utilize these Outlets. -- (Thank God for the Internet !!) -- In fact, I believe this is indeed part of the very thing Ellen White was referring to in 5T, when she said: The work which the church has failed to do in a time of peace and prosperity she will have to do in a terrible crisis under most discouraging, forbidding circumstances. The warnings that worldly conformity has silenced or withheld must be given under the fiercest opposition from enemies of the faith. And at that time the superficial, conservative class, whose influence has steadily retarded the progress of the work, will renounce the faith and take their stand with its avowed enemies, toward whom their sympathies have long been tending. These apostates will then manifest the most bitter enmity, doing all in their power to oppress and malign their former brethren and to excite indignation against them. This day is just before us. The members of the church will individually be tested and proved. They will be placed in circumstances where they will be forced to bear witness for the truth. Many will be called to speak before councils and in courts of justice, perhaps separately and alone. The experience which would have helped them in this emergency they have neglected to obtain, and their souls are burdened with remorse for wasted opportunities and neglected privileges. {5T 463.2} -- However, there are several different conversations to be drawn from this one EGW passage! And I for one would be interested in pursuing some of those conversations. -- But nonetheless, I do hope you get the basic idea of what I was referring to.

 

It is also worth mentioning, that there are some folk who actually did utilize the Media (TV, Radio, Newspapers, Billboards, etc...), with relevent information concerning the Sabbath, beast, etc, topics. And interestingly enough, it is no secret as to how the Corporate SDA Church responded concerning those well meaning folk! -- But again, that too is something of a different conversation.

 

Returning to my original Subject matter,

 

I do hope my observation is worthy of consideration. That being, a brief commentary concerning how certain folk actually become Laodicean "do nothings".

 

That is, I would reiterate the above quote:

 

I have attended a lot of SDA Evangelistic meetings in my life. I have noticed a common occurrence that is so common to all such meetings that one could properly refer to it as a syndrome. Here is how it works. Folk respond to the three angelís messages and join the SDA church. They are on fire for the truth. ..., they want to tell everyone they know the good news. ... excitedly tell the truth to ... anyone who would listen to him.

 

But a strange phenomenon takes place. The Laodicean (do nothing) members of the church feel rebuked by the intensity of the new converts and in very sure but subtle ways they move to cool the fires of the new converts and their new, first love, Ephesus experience so that the new converts are soon just as indifferent as the Laodicean foolish virgin do nothings. This is part of the process by which new converts to the church are made twice the child of hell. ...

 



--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Lynn MacDonald <lynn2852@telus.net> wrote:


From: Lynn MacDonald <lynn2852@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Church Syndrome and Matt. 23:15
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 9:04 AM

 

This is a great article, and I hope you will post it on the Adventist fm forum. This could really help someone there! Even though Gar will attack it, it will shine through to those God is striving with!!

 

Lynn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@ yahoogroups. com ; Adventist-fm@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:49 AM

Subject: [AdventistHotIssues ] Church Syndrome and Matt. 23:15

 

 

http://omega77. tripod.com/ churchsyndrome. htm

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark TwoTwenty-eight

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:28 AM

Subject: RE: [AdventistHotIssues] VIVID DESCRIPTION OF SOP

 




Aímen Brother George and Sister Lynn!

 

Ours is a high privilege to be bearers of the truth and to hold the standard high giving the last message to a dying world. Praise God we can learn so much from Godís Messenger, Brother Ron! Together we have a mighty privilege to share even a small part in giving the Loud Cry to the World.

 

Steve.

 


From: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Jordache
Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 12:13 AM
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] VIVID DESCRIPTION OF SOP

 

 

Amen Lynn, my sister!

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Lynn MacDonald <lynn2852@telus.net> wrote:


From: Lynn MacDonald <lynn2852@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] VIVID DESCRIPTION OF SOP
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 5:09 PM

 

Amen Brother George,

 

I agree with you so much!! Praise God for truths given us via His messenger Ron. And yes, what a privilege is ours to support and fellowship with this Godly Ministry!! It is true that looking for His coming and warning others, is our only true happiness here on this "hell" of a world we are on.

 

Blessings,

Lynn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: George Jordache

To: AdventistHotIssues@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues ] VIVID DESCRIPTION OF SOP

 

Ron my brother, my teacher! Your shoes I am not worthy to bear! You are God's messenger for us! May our Lord give you power  and vision to encourage us my brother!

I have tears of joy in my eyes! Who am I to be worthy of staying besides you in  such a tremendous time, just prior to the second coming! May our Lord count you among the 144000 brother! Ron you are God's messenger! Those people who are rejecting you are rejecting God and His Son!

In Him,

George

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:32 PM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] VIVID DESCRIPTION OF SOP

 

My heart is overborne with sorrows for my people, but a few like you Brother George, ease the continuum of pain. Thank you for your prayers and encouragement. I need both. And thanks to all who accept the clear teachings of God's Word and Ellen White that I have put in a framework of truth to compose the full weight of evidence so that nothing contradicts. No one can do it without the Holy Spirit's leading.

 

In Jesus, I love you all,

 

Ron