Ron's Original Questions to Gene, the SDA Church Elder

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Dear Reader,

It was the following questions that began my dialog with Gene, who is an elder of his church and who defends the SDA new movement vehemently.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: gardening@liveliberty.ws

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:00 PM

Subject: RE: Fw: [DefendEGW] Re: BOOKS OF A NEW ORDER

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe that Ellen and James White would invite high placed Catholics to speak at the General Conference Sessions which are supposed to be the voice of God to the world?

 

Gene responded: NO

 

Ron responds: The SDA church has done so!

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe James and Ellen White would mail out over 450,000 Ministry magazines to non-SDA pastors, stating that Jesus had the nature of Adam BEFORE the fall?

 

Gene responded: I know what the Whites say in the SOP about it.

 

Ron responds: Ellen White says that Christ took our sinful nature. It is serious apostasy to state anything else to 450,000 non-SDA ministers--saying that Christ took the nature of Adam BEFORE the fall. According to Scripture, that is anti-Christ.

 

"He took upon Him our sinful nature." Ellen White, RH, 12/15/96

 

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

The mainline denominational churches, now including the apostate SDA church, teach that Christ did not come in the sinful flesh, sinful nature of Adam. I believe the above verses concerning coming in the flesh mean sinful flesh. Rom. 8:3.

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe that James and Ellen White would approve of the Central doctrine of the Catholic church, the Trinity Doctrine? George Knight does not believe so. He said the pioneers would not join the church that is called Seventh-day Adventist today.

 

Gene responded: They didn't use the word Trinity I believed they used Godhead and heavenly trio.

 

Ron responds: Ellen White defined the Holy Spirit as being the life and soul of Christ:

 

"Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.

In the gift of the Spirit [HIS LIFE--THE SOUL OF HIS LIFE], Jesus gave to man the highest good that heaven could bestow....

The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail....

It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the

believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, May 19, 1904, vol. 5, p. 42.

 

Ron asked Gene: Did you realize that Ellen White said that what the pioneers taught on the godhead, the personality of God and Christ, are pillar doctrines of the church?

 

Gene responded: OK so? Was any different than she taught in the SOP?

 

Ron responds: Adoption of the Trinity Doctrine is totally different from Ellen White's definition of the Holy Spirit, as being the life and soul of Christ.

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe that Ellen White would send SDA pastors to Babylon in search of the Holy Spirit via Vatican II's Celebration Movement?

 

Gene responded: NO

 

Ron responds:

No Alliance with Unbelievers

"Those employed in any department of the work whereby the world may be transformed, must not enter into alliance with those who know not the truth. The world know not the Father or the Son, and they have no spiritual discernment as to the character of our work, as to what we shall do or shall not do. We must obey the orders that come from above. We are not to hear the counsel or follow the plans suggested by unbelievers. Suggestions made by those who know not the work that God is doing for this time will be such as to weaken the power of the instrumentalities of God. By accepting such suggestions, the counsel of Christ is set at nought.". . . {TM 463.2}

 

Ellen White said that the fallen churches cannot be distinguished from the world, EW, 273.

 

“One sinner may diffuse darkness which will exclude the light of God from the entire congregation. When the people realize that darkness is settling upon them, and they do not know the cause, then they should earnestly seek God in great humility and self-abasement, until the wrongs which grieve God's Spirit are searched out and put away from among them."{RH, September 23, 1873 par. 1} 

 

“Does anyone suppose that the messages of warning will not come to those whom God reproves? The ones reproved may rise up in indignation and seek to bring the law to bear upon God's messenger, but in doing this, they are not bringing the law upon the messenger, but upon Christ, who gave the reproof and the warning. When men endanger the work and cause of God by their own wrong course of action, shall they hear no voice of reproof? If the wrongdoer only were concerned, and the work reached no farther than him, he alone should have the words of warning; but when his course of action is doing positive harm to the cause of truth, and souls are imperiled, God requires that the warning be as broad as the injury done. The testimonies will not be hindered. The words of rebuke and warning, the plain "Thus saith the Lord," will come from God's appointed agencies; for the words do not originate with the human instrument; they are from God, who appointed them their work. If a suit is instituted in earthly tribunals, and God suffers it to come to trial, it is that His own name may be glorified. But a woe will be upon the man who gives himself to do this work. God reads the motives, whatever they may be. I pray that the Lord will teach our brethren to be straightforward, and make no compromise in the matter. The cause of God has been bruised and wounded by any such men connecting with it, and the sooner they are separated from it, the better. . . . {2SM 152.4}

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe that Ellen White would approve of hard-rock music being played in the youth meetings at our Campmeetings? Along with dancing, shouting and every uncouth thing? Mike could send you hard evidence of this! Would you like it?

 

Gene responded: I've seen some of it and NO she would not and neither do I.

 

Ron responds: That is what Ellen White prophesied would be brought into our campmeetings JUST BEFORE THE CLOSE OF PROBATION. Do you believe that bodes well for the church at such a serious time? I believe it constitutes gross apostasy. You say you don't approve of it but you don't seem very concerned about it!

 

Ron asked Gene: Would Ellen White approve of two different gospels being taught in the SDA church when God says to let anyone who comes with another gospel be accursed (anathema--doomed) ?

 

Gene responded: Yeah well you can say what you want it doesn't mean they will take it to heart. I ran across a teacher that said right there in class that we wouldn't stop sinning before Jesus comes.

 

Ron responds: I know of a large portion of the church which agrees with the false gospel that we will not stop sinning before Jesus comes. But that is not the issue! Jesus said: Let him be ACCURSED, even an angel, if one should come with any other gospel than truth. Accursed means anathema--have nothing to do with such persons. You support them with your tithe and offerings!

 

Gene said: Do you realize that we are required to stop sinning before Jesus                 comes through His grace of course? I did object don't you know. I also teach the class so I will have a chance to educate that person.

 

Ron responds: God did not instruct you to try to educate such persons. Ellen White and the Bible has "educated" them, but they have rejected what those sources say, so why would they accept your "education?" God says to let them be ACCURSED. Further, some SDA leaders teach the heresy that we cannot overcome before Jesus comes in the flagship Church paper, the Adventist Review. They should be accursed. The represent a new movement we were never to join.

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would instruct SDA's in Russia to send their          children to school on Sabbath?

 

Gene responded: NO that is not right and is only avoiding the inevitable. What about Daniel                 and his friends?

 

Ron responds: Of course it is not right! But it goes beyond that! Such a coarse is violation of    

           

Isaiah 8:20, and the entire church is responsible for such apostasy.

       

1Cr 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith     he, shall be one flesh.

           

"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His     people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a  body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.

 

Corporate responsibility: "For evils that we might have checked, we are just as responsible as    if we were guilty." Desire of Ages, p. 44.

 

"We are just as responsible for evils that we might have checked in others by exercise of parental or pastoral authority as if the acts had been our own." Patriarchs Prophets, 578.2.

 

How might we CHECK such evil? Ellen White answers this question. True reformers of every succeeding generation have left the church of their fathers when the leaders would not listen to truth, Desire of Ages, 232, and the following statement: 

           

Corporate responsibility:

 

 

"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would give a gold medallion to the Pope of Rome and receive one from him on behalf of the church?

 

Gene responded: NOPE

 

Ron responds: Gene, I will tell you brother, neither would she respond with a mere NOPE! Again, you don't seem concerned and you are or have been an elder in the church!

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would join the World Council of Churches and its subsidiary organizations and as a CONDITION for joining, agree to evangelize only the unchurched?

 

Gene responded: NOPE but I pay no attention to it as well as many others as far as evangelism.

 

Ron responds: Since joining the WCC and its subsidiary organizations violates strictly forbidden counsel in Scripture (ISAIAH 8:9-13), and those who do so are broken in pieces, you don't seem too concerned. I would think a person who is highly responsible to the people as an elder would be far more troubled by such serious violation of God's Word!

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would approve of New Age Seminars at Loma Linda?

 

Gene responded: I didn't know they did that. NO I should say not. 

 

Ron responds: As a responsible leader of the sheep (as an elder), you should know such things. How is it that thousands of true reformers know of that horrendous apostasy and you don't?

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would approve of an SDA Elder in Colorado, who teaches pure spiritualism and instructs his hearers to tune into spirit guides, such as his own personal guide Thoth, a pagan god?

 

Gene responded: That guy if he exists should be disfellowshiped.

 

Ron responds: He exists http://omega77.tripod.com/sdaspiritualism.htm but he won't be disfellowshipped because Ellen White prophesied that the leaders would NEVER AGAIN show THE HOUSE OF JACOB, its sins:

 

Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.            

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would serve coffee in SDA Sanctuaries when she said it is a sin to drink coffee?

 

Gene responded: NO Not a good thing.

 

Ron responds: Is that all you have to say?! As an elder?!

 

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would approve of unmarried couples living together?

 

Gene responded: She never did to the best of my knowledge. Who does?

 

Ron responds: Mike has videos of SDA leaders saying it is alright for unmarried couples to live together.

Ron asked Gene: Do you believe Ellen White would approve of homosexual couples living together?

 

Gene responded: NO

 

Ron responds: Some new movement SDA pastors are doing so and your tithe monies goes to support them as well as those who don't do this.

 

The last time I was at an SDA Campmeeting, there was a full-fledged football game going on in from of the main auditorium on Sabbath afternoon. It was led by Edson Phipps, who was a theology student here at Canadian Union College. He is a cousin of Wintley Phipps, the singer, who sings on SDA T.V. programs. Do you believe Ellen White would approve of football games at Campmeeting on Sabbath afternoon?

 

Gene responded: Of course not. They would be breaking the Sabbath. So do you know we shouldn't even heat our food in warm weather? Do you toast your bread on Sabbath in warm weather?

 

Ron responds: I defend what Ellen White teaches. The point is, the Sabbath is treated lightly by those who claim to be commandment-keepers.

 

Ron asked Gene: Ellen White spoke against competitive sports and said that it develops the baser instincts that will lead to the same spirit that contributed to Christians being killed in past ages. Do you believe she would approve of SDA's being engaged in competitive sports today?

 

Gene responded: NOPE

 

Ron responds: New Movement Adventism is violating the counsel of the Holy Spirit gift to the church and this is apostasy from the truth.

 

Ron asked Gene: A week or so ago, Mike posted a news item involving students being arrested at Oakwood College, over a sports brawl! Was Ellen White right or not? Especially when you consider what occurs at Soccer games around the world!

 

Gene responded: It is shameful.

 

Ron responds: It is more than shameful because it is apostasy from the educational blueprint Ellen White outlined for our schools and it is an avenue for bringing the world into the church and marrying the church to the world.

 

Ron asked Gene: Would Ellen White approve of a New Movement that has removed God, which accounts for all of the above AND FAR MORE? 1SM 204-5.

 

Gene responded: Well here is a problem with your belief system in Satan's supposition. As far as I know the church holds the same doctrine. We'd have to be participating in Alice's wonderland to think different? We haven't given up our doctrines. Do you even know what the omega is. It is supposed to be of a most startling nature I believe. Ron, the enemy, she says, was trying to undermine the foundation of our faith through the dissemination of seductive theories and I have shown you the results and she doesn't mention if it was the alpha or the omega or both that her duty pertained to but I would have to believe she has covered all the bases, the vessel was injured, but not beyond repair. She rebounded from the contact, trembling from stem to stern, like a living creature. Then she moved forward on her way. So it seems what ever the problem was it was resolved. Can you tell me

 

Ron responds: Ellen White said in 1SM 204-5 that if that New Movement evolved, and elsewhere she said the omega would surely develop and wax stronger until Jesus comes, it would allow NOTHING TO STAND IN ITS WAY. If you say she stood in the way of the omega which NEVER DEVELOPED until after she was dead, you make her a lying prophet.

 

Gene said: then where the ship goes after that? I can tell you.

 

1.   The Faith I Live By (1958), page 282, paragraph 3

Chapter Title: A Purified Church

There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port.

 

God Bless,

 

Gene

 

Ron responds: Yes, Gene, I can tell you where the ship goes after that! if you will define the ship. I believe the ship is Christ and that the Captain is Christ. Now, which ship would you have me remain aboard:

 

 "We ARE NOT saved as a sect no denominational name has any virtue to bring us into favor with God. We are saved individually as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, vol. 2, p. 464.

 

 

Which Ship

 

 

Defective Ship: We can know that if a ship has false teaching it will not survive the rigors of the ocean of strife and turmoil: "You have had too great confidence in the ability of these men. A ship may be sound in nearly every respect but if there is one defect,--a bit of timber worm-eaten,--the lives of all on board are imperiled." E.G. White, Testimonies, vol. 4, 322.

 

 

Ship Drifting at Sea Without Chart or Compass: "The facts concerning the real condition of the professed people of God, speak more loudly than their profession, and make it evident that some power has cut the cable that anchored them to the Eternal Rock, and that they are drifting away to sea, without chart or compass." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 128, (Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 231). (Also see Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 348).

 

 

"Every ship sailing the sea of life needs to have the divine Pilot on board but when storms arise, when tempests threaten, many persons push their Pilot overboard, and commit their bark into the hand of finite man, or try to steer it themselves. Then disaster and wreckage generally follow, and the Pilot is blamed for running them into such dangerous waters." E.G. White, Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 348.

 

 

Is the Pilot on board the SDA New Movement, New Organization Ship described in Selected Messages, vol. 1, 204-5? Page 205 says He [God] has been removed!

 

 

Noble Ship #1: "I lately read of a NOBLE SHIP that was plowing its way across the sea, when at midnight, with a terrific crash, it struck upon a rock the passengers were awakened only to see with horror their hopeless condition, and with the ship they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM [VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a moment's warning launched into eternity." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 128.

 

 

Noble Ship #2: "There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If maters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 390.

 

 

Immediately preceding the above statement is the admonition:

 

 

"We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization for this would mean apostasy from the truth.--Manuscript 1290, 1905. Selected Messages, vol. 2, 390.

 

 

In light of all the statements involving a ship, we must interpret them all so that none contradict. The best way to achieve this goal is to look for qualifying words. In the above statement the qualifying words are NOBLE SHIP and THE PEOPLE OF GOD. Who are the people of God? Those who keep His commandments and heed the Laodicean message.

 

 

Change Leaders and Know it Not:

 

 

Change Leaders: "There is manifested on the part of men in responsible positions an unwillingness to confess where they have been in the wrong and their neglect is working disaster, not only to themselves, but to the churches....You will be left to make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and will can sin righteousness and righteousness sin. The multitude of deceptions that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will change leaders, and not know that you have done so." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 448.

 

 

Change Leaders: "Men in positions of responsibility are in danger of changing leaders. This I know, for it has been plainly revealed to me." E.G. White, Series B, #2, p. 48.

 

 

Change Leaders: "Men who might have stood in clear light, doing valiant service as ministers of the gospel and medical missionaries, have been accepting false theories and sophistries which originated with the father of lies, and yet they do not realize that they have changed." E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, #7, p. 13-16, November 20, 1905.

 

 

Change Leaders: "Satan will set up his hellish banner right in your homes, and you will be so blinded to the real nature of his deceptions that you reverence it as the banner of Christ." E.G. White, The 1888 Materials, p. 505.

 

 

Change Leaders: "They will not recognize him [Satan] as their enemy, that old serpent, but they will consider him a FRIEND, one who is doing a good work." Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 294.

 

 

Change Leaders: Satan has laid his plans to undermine our faith in the history of the cause and work of God. I am deeply in earnest as I write this. Satan is working with men in prominent positions to sweep away the foundation of our faith. Shall we allow this to be done, brethren?" E.G. White, Review and Herald, Nov. 19, 1903.

 

 

Note: The foundation of our faith involves pillar doctrines, and Newell Hammond says this is not now, was not and never will be a problem. Again, Ellen White refutes such foolhardy error.

 

 

Change Leaders if Mistakes are not Admitted and Changed: "If when the Lord reveals your errors you do not repent or make confession, his providence will bring you over the ground again and again. You will be left to make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and will call sin righteousness, and righteousness sin. The multitude of deceptions that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will CHANGE LEADERS, AND NOT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE SO." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, p. 449.

 

 

Change Leaders: "Satan has COME IN with his specious temptations, and has led the professed followers of Christ away from the [PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies to Ministers, p. 130.

 

 

Change Leaders: "Refusing to follow in the path of obedience, they transferred their allegiance to Satan. The enemy rejoiced in his success in effacing the divine image from the minds of the people that God had chosen as His representatives. Through [ECUMENICAL] intermarriage with idolaters and CONSTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THEM [Isa. 8:9-20], Satan brought about that for which he had long been working,--a national apostasy." Fundamentals to Christian Education, p. 449.

 

 

Change Leaders: "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, Vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.

 

 

A confederacy: The World will form a confederacy of (beast)papists, protestants (false prophet) and New Agers (dragon). Their purpose will be declared as being the "saving of the world" from the problems that are obviously causing much distress. They will gird themselves with swords of militant power to enforce their plan. They will have great councils and wonderful sounding plans-but they will not succeed, instead they will be heading for total disaster.

 

 

Godhead as a pillar doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor." {MR760 9.5}

 

 

After the truth has been proclaimed as a witness to all nations, every conceivable power of evil will be set in operation, and minds will be confused by many voices crying. "Lo, here is Christ; lo, He is there. This is the truth, I have the message from God, He has sent me with great light." Then there will be a removing of the landmarks, and an attempt to tear down the pillars of our faith. A more decided effort will be made to exalt the false sabbath, and to cast contempt upon God Himself by supplanting the day He has blessed and sanctified. This false sabbath is to be enforced by an oppressive law. {Mar 192.2}

 

 

     In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith. {Mar 192.3}

 

 

As we near the end of time, falsehood will be so mingled with truth, that only those who have the guidance of the Holy Spirit will be able to distinguish truth from error. We need to make every effort to keep the way of the Lord. We must in no case turn from His guidance to put our trust in man. The Lord's angels are appointed to keep strict watch over those who put their faith in the Lord, and these angels are to be our special help in every time of need. Every day we are to come to the Lord with full assurance of faith, and to look to Him for wisdom. . . . Those who are guided by the Word of the Lord will discern with certainty between falsehood and truth, between sin and righteousness. {Mar 192.5}

 

 

"I entreat every one to be clear and firm regarding the certain truths that we have heard and received and advocated. The statements of God's Word are plain. Plant your feet firmly on the platform of eternal truth. Reject every phase of error, even though it be covered with a semblance of reality, which denies the personality of God and of Christ." {RH, August 31, 1905 par. 11}

 

 

Pillars -- Landmarks of Adventism -- "The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth [also] the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, 'The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus' [KJV]. One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. The non-immortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks [1888-1900, etc.] is all imaginary. Ellen G. White, Manuscript, 1889 The Landmarks Defined, Counsels to Writers and Editors, pages 30, 31.

 

 

Sanctuary Doctrine  

 

 

"After the truth has been proclaimed as a witness to all nations, every conceivable power of evil will be set in operation, and minds will be confused by many voices crying, 'Lo, Here is Christ, Lo, he is there. This is the truth, I have the message from God, he has sent me with great light.' Then there will be a removing of the landmarks, and an attempt to tear down the pillars of our faith...(Ellen G. White, 'Let the Trumpet Give a Certain Sound' (Concluded), Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, December 13, 1892 (Original source) See Also, Maranatha, page 189 Maranatha, p. 192 Selected Messages, Vol. 3, p. 406 SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 985).

 

 

After the truth has been proclaimed as a witness to all nations, every conceivable power of evil will be set in operation, and minds will be confused by many voices crying. "Lo, here is Christ; lo, He is there. This is the truth, I have the message from God, He has sent me with great light." Then there will be a removing of the landmarks, and an attempt to tear down the pillars of our faith. A more decided effort will be made to exalt the false sabbath, and to cast contempt upon God Himself by supplanting the day He has blessed and sanctified. This false sabbath is to be enforced by an oppressive law. {Mar 192.2

 

 

"The Lord would teach man the lesson though united in church capacity, he is not saved until the seal of God is placed upon him." E.G. White Comments, SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p.

969.

 

"Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those 'that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the church.' Testimonies, vol. 3, pp. 266-267.

 

 

"In every nation whosoever believes with all his heart in the Lord Jesus is accepted of God. Here, truly, is the church, out[side] of which no one can be saved." The Great Controversy,  p. 181.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: gardening@liveliberty.ws

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 5:13 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [DefendEGW] Re: BOOKS OF A NEW ORDER

 

I don't have time for you Ron you haven't answered my questions.

 

They are numbered 1-14 and I threw a 15th in there but I no longer want to parley with you because I can't see it going anywhere.

 

God Bless,

 

Gene

 

Ron responds:

 

I get so many emails in a day that somehow Gene’s 15 questions got deleted. However, I later found them and responded. What you have read above is a dialog occurring before I responded to Gene’s 15 questions.

 

Ron