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Dear Reader, There is a document being circulated on the
Internet and directed specifically at me, which is entitled The Separatist
Movement Exposed, which proposes to entertain proof that separation from an
apostate church that has removed God, is not apropos at this time. I will respond to each charge after each
paragraph in this font
color. I will make references to the anti-separitist document
using those words. The writer of the anti-separatist document has not been an
Adventist for long. He comes from a
Lutheran background and has a very poor understanding of true Seventh-day
Adventism. Here is the document: The
Separatist Movement Exposed I invite the reader to review the 10 most important dates
beginning with the Destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. http://www.theologicalstudies.citymax.com/page/page/1572275.htm Christianity began in A.D. 27. Luther posted his 95 thesis to begin the
Protestant Reformation in A.D. 1517.
From A.D. 27 to the present (2006), that is 1979 years. From the beginning of the Protestant
Reformation in 1517, 489 years have lapsed!
God gave the Jews 490 years (Daniel 9:24), and we are just one year
away from receiving as many years as the Jews did from the date of the
Reformation. We really do not deserve
as much time as the Jews had because we have God’s validation of their
history in the Bible! Will God have to repent to the Jews for being partial to
us Gentiles in giving us more time? I
don’t know the answer to that question.
All I am trying to point out is that God has already given us
Protestants about as much time as He gave the Jews, lacking ONE YEAR. And we
had the examples of the Jews to boot!
We have had the entire example of man from day 1 to the present! We have no excuse to be in apostasy or
implying that we are due a lot more time to overcome apostasy, when we know
by the signs of the times that the coming of Jesus is very near. Separations in Past History Abraham was separated from his family so that the faithful
could mature in righteousness.
Scripture and the SDA Bible Commentary, both tell us that it is
impossible for the wheat to mature among thorns (open sinners) because of the
following reasons: · "Thorns
sprung up.--The thorns (open sinners)
made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:4). In the same
way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from
reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being
only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and
eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral
transformation (Christ's Object Lessons, p. 50). To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they
fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process
known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are
replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5,
405. · Tare are
insincere believers who motives we would have to judge to remove them from
the camp. Open, apostate sinners are
quite a different matter, and if the church will not separate them if they
will not be reformed, then true reformers must separate from the church,
because it is impossible to unite with the corrupt and remain pure. · "It is
IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain
pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host
would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become
corrupt." E. G. White, Review and
Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137. That is why the following
separations from apostasy took place in history: ·
In
early the early apostasy of Israel, the camp was kept pure of apostates by killing
them if they would not repent and reform. Moses separated the throng from
Korah, Dathan and Abiram from apostasy within 24 hours of that apostasy, by
having Korah and party killed—almost 15,000.
·
At
the golden calf incident, Moses separated those who repented from those who
did not. Nearly 3,000 apostates were
killed within a one day time frame, and then Moses prayed for those who had
repented. ·
Lot
was separated from Sodom and Gomorrah. ·
Abraham
was separated from his own sireling immediate family. ·
Achan
and family were killed off from Israel for one man’s apostasy in disobedience
to God’s commands to Israel. ·
The
faithful in the time of Shiloh separated from the apostate Jews of that
generation. ·
"The
recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes
yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and,
laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of
Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for
their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went
from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they
at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this
would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the
abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, Vol. 1, p.
264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. ·
The
above statement combined with Jeremiah 11:9-15, which Jeremiah wrote during
the times of Shiloh, proves that God dealt with apostasy on a “generational”
level. In other words, His beloved in
those verses were not found as His appointed place of worship, because of the
corruption, see verse 15, where God asks the question: What hath my beloved
(bride) to do in mine house (church), since she hath wrought lewdness with
many? The Holy flesh (God) left their
presence. What did they do when they
did such evil? The rejoiced! The celebrated, just as SDA’s are now
doing. Jer
11:15 What hath my beloved to do in
mine house, [seeing] she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh
is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest. ·
Paul
separated after three months. "And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the
apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space for
three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of
God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not,
but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and
separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus."
Acts, 19:8, 9. "Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered
by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from
them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286. ·
Protestants
separated from Rome (Before the harvest!) ·
Adventists
separated from the fallen protestants who rejected present truth (Before the
harvest!). "Nominal
Adventists.--"Those who united in sounding the first and second
angels' messages but who rejected the third angel's message with its Sabbath
truth, but nonetheless continued to espouse the Advent hope, are referred to
by Mrs. White as the 'nominal Adventists.' or those who 'reject the present
truth'(p. 69), also 'different parties of professed Advent believers (page
124)... or those who 'reject the
present truth.." Early Writings, p. 299, Appendix. ·
Ellen
White said that there has been a separation of the faithful true reformers in
every succeeding generation since Christ:
"The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent
upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the
temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law,
and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the
gospel to all nations. As the light and life of men was rejected by the
ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding
generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from
Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they
had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the
religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were
forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few
of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few
are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever
guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the
Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to
declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are
seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience."
E.G. White, Desire of Ages,
232. ·
And
most important, Jesus, as the first act of His ministry, set the example for
Reformers by separating His disciples and all true followers of His from
apostate Israel. · "Christ
was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They
came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies.
Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply
accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
Questions: ·
Can
you render obedience to the following command of God, while being a member of
a church that teaches two different gospels: ·
Gal
1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. ·
Gal
1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. ·
Can
we render obedience to God by joining a church that has conspired with His
enemies by joining Babylon’s Associations, Councils, and Confederacies, by
conspiracy, without ever taking it to the General Conference in Session, so
that the laity did not know about this for many years? The church teaches two different gospels: The one
Karl Wagner, William Johnsson, Morris Venden, Des Ford etc. teaches and the
one Dennis Priebe, Kirkpatrick, the Standish brothers, etc. teach. Since the
sacred tithe goes into a pool to pay all pastors, can one render obedience to
God, to accurse “another gospel,” and support such with his/her title? How can any sincere minister of the true
gospel recommend that you pay your tithe to a church that teaches two
gospels. Even Rome and her harlot
daughters do not do that. The Guidelines for
Separation – Does God Separate the Wheat From the Tares and/or Thorns (Open
Sinners) Before the Harvest? "'Whose fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly
purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner.' [Matt. 3:12]. This
was one of the times of purging (the time of John the Baptist’s ministry). By
the words of truth, the chaff was being separated from the wheat. Because
they were too vain and self-righteous to receive reproof, too world-loving to
accept a life of humility, many turned away from Jesus. Many are still doing
the same thing. Souls are tested today as were those disciples in the synagogue
at Capernaum. When truth is brought home to the heart, they see that their
lives are not in accordance with the will of God. They see the need of an
entire change in themselves but they are not willing to take up the
self-denying work. Therefore they are angry when their sins are discovered.
They go away offended, even as the disciples left Jesus, murmuring. This is
an hard saying who can hear it?'" Desire
of Ages, 392. "The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to
serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He
took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will
continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a
church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may
be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with
them. Others are then
chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not
purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and
holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict
and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place
and make them a reproach. God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as tough he needed any
thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The
Upward Look, 131. "He will take his Holy Spirit from the church and Give it to
OTHERS who will appreciate
it." E. G. White, Review and
Herald, July 16, 1895, Vol. 3,
272. The compiler of the anti-separationist document says that
the Reformation was given a long time to finally reject the Sabbath and the
three angel’s messages. The
reformation was given time to progress in the form of the various churches
represented, but it was not given long after the church of Philadelphia
presented the Sabbath and the three angel’s messages. Ellen White said that those who heard and
understood the Midnight Cry and first and second angel’s messages in 1844,
and then, or later, rejected those messages, received a shut door on salvation. That means that some folk closed their
probation within 8-12 weeks of hearing the first and second angel’s message
in the summer and autumn of 1844. She
never reneged on that part of the shut door, in fact that is the part she saw
in her first vision, to wit: "While praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost
fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark
world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not
find them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and look a little higher.'
At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow path cast up high
above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the City,
which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up
behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the
Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path, and gave light for their
feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus,
who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were safe. But soon
some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way of, and they expected
to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising his
glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light which waved over
the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly denied the light
behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The
light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they
stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell
off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for
them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world
which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after
another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the
day and hour of Jesus' coming.... By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On
their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star
containing Jesus' new name." E.G. White, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14. OUR COMMENTARY: The Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, called people out
of the fallen churches. All who ever hear and understand the Midnight Cry,
and thereafter take their eyes off the path lighted by that cry, by
re-joining the fallen churches they were called out of by membership or
confederacy in ASSOCIATION, COUNSEL ANDOR COUNCIL, GIRDING, OR LINKING WITH
THEM IN ANY WAY WHICH WOULD IDENTIFY US WITH THEM, FALL OFF THE PATH AND IT
IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET ON THE PATH AGAIN, WHICH IMPLIES SHUT DOOR
UNPARDONABLE SIN! God's Word implies the same unpardonableness for such
offense in Isaiah 8:9-20, and Revelation 14:9, 10. This is what Ellen White
really meant by "shut door!" Those who have committed this
unpardonable sin have grossly perverted her meaning. This is a most serious
consideration every SDA should weigh heavily before he/she determines to
enter ecumenical relationship with and/or join any of the fallen churches. Some think that Israel of old was given a long time to
repent—until the time of the stoning of Stephen in A.D. 34. That is not true. Out of the great
multitude of those who were to enter the land of Canaan, only two
qualified. Those who did not enter
were lost. Only Joshua and Caleb were
faithful, and Moses was translated later. And as I proved earlier from
Jeremiah 11:9-15, that generation of Jews who conspired with God’s enemies
committed unpardonable sin. How do you
know that? Because God told Jeremiah not to pray for them. Professing SDA’s have done the very same
thing the Jews did then: ·
The
conspired with Babylon in joining its Associations, councils and
confederacies. I have in my possession
all the evidence any judge would ever require as proof for this. ·
They
returned to the iniquities of their forefathers by adopting Babylon’s false
gospel and by adopting the central doctrine of Rome, the Trinity Doctrine, in
the 1930’s. ·
The
went to Babylon to learn Celebration worship.
As Jeremiah 11:15 says, when they do evil, they rejoice (celebrate)! ·
Ellen
White said that Jeremiah 11:15 has a COUNTERPART that will occur at the end
and the only parallel counterpart to Israel is SDA’s: COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient
servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift
up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not
hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this
fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear
rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in
the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them,
every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest,
every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of
my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The
apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the
last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the
power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at
their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and
spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may
well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and
their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their
delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath
Herald, 11-07-82. The above statement is God’s line in the sand! He tells us when to not pray for a people. Never, till exemplified in the sacrifice of Christ, were
the justice and the love of God more strikingly displayed than in His
dealings with Moses. God shut Moses out of Canaan, to teach a lesson which
should never be forgotten--that He requires exact obedience, and that men are
to beware of taking to themselves the glory which is due to their Maker. He
could not grant the prayer of Moses that he might share the inheritance of
Israel, but He did not forget or forsake His servant. The God of heaven
understood the suffering that Moses had endured; He had noted every act of
faithful service through those long years of conflict and trial. On the top
of Pisgah, God called Moses to an inheritance infinitely more glorious than
the earthly Canaan. {CC 111.3} The cowards and rebels had perished in the wilderness, but
the righteous spies ate of the grapes of Eschol. To each was given according
to his faith. The unbelieving had seen their fears fulfilled. Notwithstanding
God's promise, they had declared that it was impossible to inherit Canaan,
and they did not possess it. But those who trusted in God, looking not so
much to the difficulties to be encountered as to the strength of their
Almighty Helper, entered the goodly land. It was through faith that the
ancient worthies "subdued kingdoms, . . . escaped the edge of the sword,
out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight
the armies of the aliens." Hebrews 11:33, 34. "This is the victory
that overcometh the world, even our faith." 1 John 5:4. {PP 513.2} Anti-separatist document cont: The separatists claim joining the WCC makes us a part of
Babylon...EGW never said anything about that and in fact said many times that
we should join efforts of other churches when we don't have to compromise our
beliefs...such as health movements and efforts in evangelism and preaching in
their churches, etc. To constantly condemn them and say that only we love God
is destructive to effective witnessing...it continues until we think that a
brother Christian is a brother of Satan if he believes that he should take
off his shoes in the house while I think it's OK to leave them on. There are
times to separate yes...but there are times to stick together...and EGW
herself stuck together with the church when it was worse in significant ways than it is now... Ron responds: The
church was NEVER worse in any way that it is now! Ellen White would never tolerate two
gospels being taught. She would never
tolerate ecumenical linkage with Babylon.
She would never tolerate a New Movement that has removed God, by
fulfilling every specification of 1SM 204-5.
She would never tolerate a new movement that goes to Babylon to learn
to give a church service just like a rock concert via the Celebration
movement. Any who want the video, I am
now able to send it to you. Just send
a little for postage and I will send you the video made by an engineer SDA. He
did a professional job and you will never be the same after seeing this video
made at an SDA camp meeting youth tent in Oregon. There is loud rock music, dancing on the
platform, and every lewd and uncouth thing, such as a young college drama
student lying on the floor spreading her legs back and forth! Ellen White prophesied that this would have its
fulfillment at SDA Campmeetings JUST BEFORE PROBATION CLOSES: "The things you have described as taking place in Indiana,
the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation.
Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums,
music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused
that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the
moving of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a
bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious
methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying
truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music
than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was
represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this
time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of
noise shocks the senses and pervert that which if conducted aright might be a
blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to
have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirits working." Selected Messages, Vol. 2, p. 36. Ellen White simply WOULD NEVER tolerate this. She said that the Omega of Apostasy would
be far worse than the Alpha, and in the Alpha she said to take the youth as
far away from the church as possible: "There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men
and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our
churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this
day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian."
E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995,
p. 5. What would she say today in the Omega, which she said would
surely develop and continue until Jesus comes? Wax stronger "One thing it is certain is soon to be
realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing
stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven
with a shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated
faith, and go forward from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep
the faith that has been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the
earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger
breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the
Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to
confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day
all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing
from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.
There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p.
57). The separatists say joining the WCC violated God's line in the sand.
In actual fact it is not God's line..it is a line drawn by The separatists. Ron responds: Joining in confederacy with God’s enemies is
His line in the sand, Jeremiah 11:9-15 and Isaiah 8:9-13. Anti-separatist statement: To join a UN of churches is not at all joining Babylon in my
understanding...if we do not support things that we disagree with...and we
are not made to compromise...compromises of any kind with truth will be
wrong...but just joining a group to discuss issues and work for a better
world with more freedom of religion for all and helping people be healthier
etc...does not qualify as Babylon. Did Israel refuse all contact with all
other nations? Did she have no ambassadors? Obviously not. How in the WORLD
are you supposed to witness to people who you constantly condemn and call
100% Satanic esp. if you refuse to have any contact with them? Are you not
making exactly the same mistake that the Jews did when they excluded all
Gentiles from their lives? Do you think you have even 1 chance in
"hell" of converting them to the truth with that method? Ron responds: Ellen
White said that Israel trek downward into apostasy began with their
conspiracy of joining their enemies in association, council and
confederacy. Jeremiah 11:9-13, proves
her irrefutably correct! We do not
have to join Babylon in order to evangelize it. The prime objective of Babylon’s
associations is visible unity of the churches. The SDA church has had to conform and
compromise on vital points, such as evangelizing only the unchurched. It is required by the WCC and the various
other ecumenical confederacies that a church not “steal sheep.” The SDA church does it anyway on the sly,
but they have lied in saying that they will not do so. It is okay to contact members of Babylon, to witness to
them, but we are not to join their associations, councils and confederacies,
Isaiah 8:9-13. I have a book by the
World Council of Churches, entitled Directory World Councils, which lists
SDA’s as FULL MEMBERS in five countries of the world. It list them as participating members in
other countries. Ellen White said that
the fallen churches are led by Satan as a body. Early Writings, p. 173.
The church is making the same mistake as the Jews in conspiring with
God’s enemies, Jeremiah 11:9-15. Read testimonies to ministers THOROUGHLY!!! The call of Jesus is to
be IN the world, but not OF it. Being in the WCC does not at all mean that
you follow Catholic beliefs. You can be in many organizations as long as your
being their doesn't mean assent to any false beliefs. To refuse all contact individually
or officially with people who don't understand important truths and to
condemn them as Satanic nonstop is exactly the same as saying, "I don't
care about you one whit. Go to hell for all I care." Doing this is
actually one of the most Satanic things possible....it guarantees 100% that
no one will ever listen to the important truths that the separatists do
teach. I am sure that Satan laughs in glee when he sees people talking like
this just like he was thrilled to death to see the Jews excluding all the
gentiles from the truth...I for one have no interest in making Satan happy.
To follow standards is important, but to eliminate all contact with the lost
individually or not individually is a wonderful way to send them all to hell. Ron responds: There are other ways to evangelize the world
without joining Satan’s confederacies.
Jesus, His disciples and the seventy gave the gospel to the then known
world without Satan’s help! Ellen White told an SDA minister by the name of
Baker, that it is impossible to give the three angel’s messages on Babylon’s
turf! She was correct! Proof?
Not one convert to Adventism during all the church’s ecumenical
involvement since the early 1960’s.
Obviously, going against God’s commands does not work! And I don’t refer only to Ellen White, but
Isaiah 8:9-13 and Jeremiah 11:9-15. The serious part of it all is that the World Council of
Churches specifies that there will be no “sheep stealing” of members from
other churches. That is a direct
conflict of interest to the three angel’s message. Because the SDA church agreed to that
specification, and then lies by breaking it, they will eventually inflame
Babylon, and she will be the Ezekiel 9 destroyer, the men with the
slaughtering weapons who destroy the SDA church. Notice this from the SDA Bible Commentary on Ezekiel 9:2: “2. Six men.
These executioners of vengeance are pictured as human in form. In primary application they represent the
Babylonians, who were to execute the divine sentence upon the city. In
secondary application they portend the agencies of judgments which, at the
close of time, will execute sentence, first upon those who have professed to
be the spiritual guardians of the people, and later upon the wicked in
general.” SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, p. 605. No one is advocating not evangelizing Babylon! The church did it for decades without
joining her associations, councils and confederacies! It is a flat-out lie to
say that Ellen White never said anything about the ecumenical movement. She had plenty to say about the National
Reformers which was the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the
Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and later The World Council of Churches
in 1948. Here is what Ellen White said
about the National Reform Movement and any linkage to Babylon’s associations,
councils and confederacies. Here is a
manuscript documenting her teachings on Isaiah 8:9-13. https://omega77.tripod.com/egwisaiahchap8.htm The ecumenical movement has EVERYTHING to do with the
three angel’s messages: "The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in
its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the
position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to
spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National
Reformers [the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the Federal
Council of Churches in 1908, and then the World Council of Churches, in 1948)
began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should
have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to
counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been
kept from our people--the very present
truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are
giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that
message. The National Reform
[Ecumenical] movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance
that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have
even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct
from the third angel's message [the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May
the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this
time." E.G. White, Testimonies,
vol. 5, 714, 715. Scripture clearly says that he who is united to a harlot is one
with her and SDA fraternity with the ecumenical movement has not converted
ONE CONVERT TO ADVENTISM, since the church was involved as MEMBERS of the
Hungarian Council of Churches from the early 1960’s at least, as reported in
the Adventist Review, when it
reported on the Hungarian revolt of 1500 faithful Hungarians who protested
the membership in that National Council of Churches, which is a member of The
World Council of Churches. The first SDA representative to the ecumenical movement from
Andrews University, Dr. Earl Hilgert, has since converted to become a
Babylonian minister. I know of a
U.S.A. Navy Admiral who was on the verge of becoming an SDA (he has studied
for about 8 months with an SDA pastor), who told the pastor to never again
darken his doorway the next time he came for a Wednesday night Bible study.
The evening prior, the Admiral had watched a T.V. documentary put on by the
National Council of Churches in the U.S.A., listing SDA’s as a MEMBER at that
time. They hide it now! The Admiral
said: Don’t try to call me out of
Babylon, when you are part of it yourself!” You see, the Admiral was more
astute than most SDA’s, in recognizing that such membership is a violation of
the second angel’s message and Isaiah 8:9-10. Pastor David Bauer told the
story. Solomon's course brought its sure
penalty. His separation from God through communication with idolaters
was his ruin. As he cast off his allegiance to God, he lost the mastery
of himself. His moral efficiency was gone....He mistook license for liberty.
He tried--but at what cost!--to unite light with darkness, good with evil,
purity with impurity, Christ with Belial....God can do little for men who
lose their sense of dependence upon Him. "During these years of apostasy, the
spiritual decline of Israel progressed steadily. How could it be otherwise
when their king had united his interests with satanic agencies? Through these
agencies the enemy worked to confuse the minds of the Israelites in regard to
true and false worship, and they became an easy prey....Refusing to follow
the path of obedience, they transferred their allegiance to the enemy of
righteousness....the Israelites rapidly lost their abhorrence of idol
worship." Prophets and Kings,
p 51-59. Those who cannot reason from cause to
effect cannot see that it was via ecumenical “rubbing of shoulders” with
Babylon, that made their gospel appear appealing and caused SDA leaders to
copy-cat their Celebration mode of worship to attract numbers, and as well,
the Central Doctrine of Rome, the Trinity Doctrine. It was SDA conferences with the
Evangelical’s in the mid to latter 1950’s that began it all! But my detractor who is bereft of spiritual
discernment does not see these relationships from cause to effect. Total heresies have resulted from going on
Satan’s ground and speaking with his representatives. That is the result of conspiring with God’s
enemies, Jeremiah 11:9-15. No less so than the results of Eve’s conversation
with the enemy of all righteousness. Friend, past GC President, Robert
Folkenberg, said that the Celebration movement might be the working of the Holy
Spirit, and that we should wait and see.
How is it that I, a simple layman, knew inherently that we would not
receive the Holy Spirit from Babylon?!
When you see the DVD on Celebration worship that I will send you free
of charge, remember this saying by Robert Folkenberg! "There is a lesson for us in the
history of Solomon....He might have gone from strength to strength, from
character to character, ever approaching nearer the similitude of the
character of God, but how sad his history; he was exalted to most sacred
positions of trust, but he proved unfaithful....Association with idolaters
corrupted his faith; one false step led to another; there was a breaking
down of the barriers which God had erected for the safety of His people; his
life was corrupted...and at last he gave himself to the worship of false
gods.... "Oh, how can God bear with the
misdeeds of those who have had great light and advantages, and yet follow the
course of their own choosing, to their eternal harm! Solomon...chose his own way,
and in his heart separated from God....Solomon dishonored himself, dishonored
Israel, and dishonored God. "Looking upon this picture, we see
what human beings become when they venture to separate from God. One false
step prepares the way for another, and every step is taken more easily than
the last. Thus souls are found following another leader than Christ. Ibid. "All who occupy positions in our
institutions will be tested. If they will make Christ their pattern, He
will give them wisdom and knowledge and understanding; they will grow in
grace and aptitude in Christ's way; their characters will be molded after His
similitude. If they fail of keeping the way of the Lord, another spirit
will control the mind and judgment, and they will plan without the Lord
and will take their own course and leave the positions they have occupied.
The light has been given them; if they depart from it, let no man present a
bribe to induce them to remain. They will be a hindrance and a snare." Testimonies, Vol. 7 p 217-19. Anti-separationist
cont: Yes, true reformers have left churches throughout history...maybe
someday that will be necessary...but The separatists haven't convinced me
that it's time now. The education of the church and it's evangelistic
missions and efforts...Amazing Facts, Wiemar, and many schools and hospitals
are moving more and more closely to certain of God's instructions through
EGW...in health esp. and family and discipleship and other areas...in some
areas there is drastically better following of EGW now than ever before in
history. In others this is definitely not true though...so again...I’m not
100% praise...and there's a ton more work to be done in all areas...would
greatly like to see you doing some of the work that needs so much to be done rather
than criticize those workers of God who are trying to do the work...seems to
be too much of Sanballat in what you write and not so much of Nehemiah and
DOING the work. Ron responds: I know the person who submitted the
anti-separationist document to me and I can assure you that he rejects any
counsel of God’s and Ellen White concerning ecumenical involvement. But that is not the only abomination the
church is involved in. He excuses
and/or minimizes all the apostasies of the church and does not sigh and cry
for them on the many SDA internet forums he witnesses to. Ellen White says when to take the course
Nehemiah took: "They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs
28:4. When those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead
for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth,
we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is
prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and
should be resisted as resolutely today as them. Whatever influence would tend
to unsettle the faith of God's people in His guiding power, should be
steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets
and Kings, p. 661. Ellen White plainly said that the fallen churches cannot be
distinguished from the world, so to unite with them in their associations,
councils and confederacies, is like uniting with the world, Early Writings, 273. The separatist’s description of a perfect church on earth is
wonderful...I hope they create that...but it has never before existed as far
as I can tell..maybe it will someday when God gives the full measure of the
latter rain...I want to be part of that. Ron responds:
Philadelphia existed in the autumn of 1844, when fifty faithful souls
out of an estimated 150,000 who had received the Midnight Cry and the second
angel’s message up to the time of the great disappointment. The 144,000 of Revelation 14:4 will have no
guile. The church militant is not
perfect, but neither is it to be infested with open sinning thorns making it
IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature. Ellen White said that the Omega of Apostasy would surely
come and wax stronger until Jesus comes.
Most SDA’s have not a clue what the Omega of Apostasy involves. This is a serious fact, because Ellen White
said to keep the youth as far as possible from the church in the Alpha of
Apostasy, circa 1900-1905. She met
that apostasy head on and stifled it, but she said that “nothing would be
allowed to stand in the way of the New Movement, New Organization, 1SM, 204-5. I Agree with The separatists on evils of accreditation... but there
were and are VAST differences in the SDA School system and the worlds. Some
material is similar...but there is a LOT that is very different...it could
have been far better if we had not been accredited...but it's FALSE to say we
have accepted the world's curriculum. That's a complete lie. Ron responds: The writer is speaking double-speak out of
both sides of his mouth. On the one side he says that he agrees with the
evils of accreditation, and then out of the other side he defends it. That is not the yea or nay position that
God instructs us to take. SDA institutions are hiring more and more non-SDA
teaching staff! SDA institutions such
as Walla Walla College have been forced by their local board of
Accreditation, which is a group of Catholics, to teach the curriculum of the
Accreditation Board “or else!” There
has been a big to do about this! Ellen
White said that it would be better to close down our schools than to teach
the curriculum of the world. What a
perfect way for Satan to wrest the souls of our youth. Then the church wonders why the youth go
out the back door about as fast as new members come in. The divorce rate of the world is 1/3. The divorce rate of Christians who
marry in the church, pray and study the Bible together and attend church is
1/1000... The separatists should the math...are they
"commensurate"...no they are not...again there is a vast
difference. One of these separatists who talk about the divorce rate seems to
forget fact that his own divorce added to the divorce rate numbers! Ron responds: As you will quickly witness, the anti-separationist
writer’s statistics on SDA divorce are totally wrong! "We must as a people
arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and
unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger
of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become
corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and
hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure
the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18.
(Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies
on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193. You will see from the flagship paper of the SDA church, the Adventist Review, that the
licentiousness and unlawful intimacy and unholy practices (eg. Celebration
worship), have not been cleansed from the camp. The separatist the writer refers to above WAS NOT a member
of the church at the time of his divorce, and was granted permission by the
church to get married in the church after his divorce and a proper
investigation was conducted by the pastor.
The anti-separationist writer was informed a few months
ago about the following Adventist
Review statistics for divorce in the church. Here is the link to that message to him
dated in May of this year, 2006: He is thus telling a willful and woeful intentional lie
about the divorce statistics in the SDA New Movement church! I have the original post wherein I told him
this information on the sdaglobal
forum. The Adventist Review
reported on how the divorce rate of the church is equal to that of the world
in percentage rate per capita. The
following quote is taken from the Adventist
Review link below: http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1547/story1.html “Despite the energy that most churches put into premarital
training, the divorce rate for Christians, including Seventh-day is
comparable to that in society. It may be safe to assume that much of this
energy hasn't always been spent in the most effective manner.” The following quote below this link is taken from the Adventist Review: Divorce is more prevalent among
Christians than the rest of the population, leaving broken hearts, shattered
dreams and innocent children in its wake. http://www.adventistreview.org/2005-1514/story5.html The separatists claim The Adventist Church has become
worse then Babylon or a sister to Fallen Babylon and we should not pay tithe
to the Church, they redefine where the Storehouse is, usually they claim they
are now the storehouse in order to collect the tithe. By this scheme they
steal the Sacred Tithe from God. The separatists turn a blind eye to the
following quote from Ellen White: “Some have been dissatisfied and have said,
"I will not longer pay my tithe; for I have no confidence in the way
things are managed at the heart of the work." But will you rob God
because you think the management of the work is not right? Make your
complaint, plainly and openly, in the right spirit, to the proper ones. Send
in your petitions for things to be adjusted and set in order; but do not
withdraw from the work of God, and prove unfaithful, because others are not
doing right.--9T 249. Ron responds:
Another classic lie by the anti-separationsist. It seems he has a real integrity
problem. I merely quoted the following
statement by Ellen White, and the writer now attributes that statement by
Ellen White to me. That is not
Christian honesty and integrity. Ellen
White said that those who oppose truth would not have integrity, and such
lying is sure a sign that my detractor is very despotic. Such public lying is legally libelous. Worse than Babylon -- "God's professed people are selfish
and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God,
than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a
better way." Testimonies, Vol.
2, 441-442. Ellen White said that the tithe should go to the “swift
messengers” who have a message: I saw that the quick work
that God was doing on earth would soon be cut short in righteousness, and
that the swift messengers must speed on their way to search out the scattered
flock. An angel said, "Are all messengers? No, no, God's messengers have
a message." {RH, April 1, 1850 par. 6} The Lord has shown me that precious souls are starving, and dying
for want of the present, sealing truth, the meat in due season; and that the
swift messengers should speed on their way, and feed the flock with the
present truth. I heard an Angel say, "speed the swift messengers, speed
the swift messengers; for the case of every soul will soon be decided, either
for Life, or for Death." {RH, September 1, 1849 par. 8} I saw that those who had the means, were
required to help speed those messengers, that God had called to labor in his
cause, and as they went from place to place, they would be safe from the
prevailing pestilence. But if any went that were not sent of God, they would
be in danger of being cut down by the pestilence; therefore all should
earnestly seek for duty, and be sure and move by the direction of the Holy
Spirit. {RH, September 1, 1849 par. 9} What we have seen and
heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear.
Soon the dead and dying will be all around us. I saw that some will be so
hardened, as to even make sport of the judgments of God. Then the slain of
the Lord will be from one end of the earth, to the other; they will not be
lamented, gathered, nor buried; but their ill savor will come up from the
face of the whole earth. Those only who have the seal of the living God, will
be sheltered from the storm of wrath, that will soon fall on the heads of
those who have rejected the truth. {RH, September 1, 1849 par. 10} In fifty years of fulfilling the role of a “swift messenger,” God
has not seen fit to cut me down. Ellen White clearly said when to support the church or the
“regular lines,” as she referred to the church: Regular lines - “So often
the same old difficulties arise and are presented in regard to disturbing the
‘regular lines.’ But God will work in some way to make His people understand
that THE REGULAR LINES HAVE BECOME FULL OF IRREGULAR PRACTICES…God alone can
make men understand that working on REGULAR LINES has led to IRREGULAR
PRACTICES. God alone can make men’s
minds as they should be. The time has
come when we should hear les in favor of the REGULAR LINES. If we can GET AWAY FROM THE REGULAR LINES
into something which, THOUGH IRREGULAR, IS AFTER GOD’S ORDER, it may cut away
something of the IRREGULAR WORKING which has led away from Bible
principles.” E.G. White, Manuscript Release, #1450, p. 3, 4,
1901. “When we see the regular lines are altered and purified and
refined, and the God of the heavens mold is upon the regular lines, then it is our business to establish the
regular lines.” E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan Collection, p.
162-168. “The present showing is sufficient to prove to all who have the
true missionary spirit that the regular lines [organization] may prove to be a failure.” E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan Collection, p. 175. Written to Brother Daniels, June 28, 1901. They have proven to be a failure to any with spiritual
discernment. “The regular lines had need to be broken as a potter’s vessel is
broken, and reconstructed.” Ms. 29, 1903. pp. 1, 3 (General Manuscript, The Southern Work, undated. "It would be poor policy to support from the treasury of God
those who really mar and injure His work, and who are constantly lowering the
standard of Christianity." Testimonies,
Vol. 3, p. 553. The separatists claim that there are two gospels being taught in the
Church today... this is absolutely true. One is a false gospel in which we
are saved by works taught by the separatists, the other is the gospel is the
taught in Scripture and by Ellen White “by grace are ye saved through faith”
See (Eph 2:8) These separatists try to earn Salvation by keeping the Law,
little do they understand that unless one is already saved keeping the Law is
of no avail. Law keeping (obedience) is a requirement of those who are
already saved. Ron responds: The separatists I know do not believe that
they can earn anything relative to salvation.
They do believe that by partaking of the Divine Nature of Jesus Christ
they can be empowered to overcome by His grace given for obedience, Rom.
1:5. The gift of grace for obedience
is just as free and available to every sincere Christian as is the gift of
pardon or justification and one is not justified without accepting both free
gifts of His grace. There are two diametrically opposed gospels taught within
the professing SDA church today.
Separationists are not there!
For example, the Dr.’s Colin and Russell Standish, Dr. Ralph Larson,
Pastor Dennis Priebe, Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick and some other, teach the
traditional gospel taught by Ellen White, to her death, to wit: "Under the new
covenant, perfect obedience is the condition of life." God's Amazing Grace, p. 138. "Could there be an
excuse for disobedience, it would prove our heavenly Father unjust, in that He
had given us conditions of salvation with which we could not
comply." Sketches From the Life
of Paul, p. 296.
"God works; but man must cooperate with
Him in the great plan of salvation. The condition of eternal life is not
merely to believe, but to do the words of God." Home Missionary, 1 October
1897. "Implicit
obedience is the condition of salvation." Signs of the Times,
15 November 1899. "Obedience brings
salvation, disobedience, ruin." Manuscript
Releases, Vol. 7, p. 264. "The great gift of
salvation is freely offered to us, through Jesus Christ, on condition
that we obey the law of God; and individually we are to accept the
terms of life with the deepest humiliation and gratitude." Signs of the Times, 15 December
1887. "In the gift of His
only begotten Son He has ensured to us eternal life upon condition
of our faith and obedience." Signs
of the Times, 6 May 1889. "Entire obedience
to the law of God is the condition of salvation." Signs of the Times, 14 April 1898. Desmond Ford and some other apostate SDA’s try to say that Ellen White change her view on the gospel after 1888. Notice the date of the above statement, 1898, ten years later! Jesus does not once call the Seventh Day Adventist Church Babylon,
nor does He ask them to come out, {1MR 301.1} Ellen White CLEARLY states that
The Lord has not given them a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists
Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out of her, {2SM 63.2} where
then does such a message come from? From Satan! Ron responds: The
above statement was written to two men in 1893. They were calling the church Babylon at
that time and Ellen White said that the church was keeping the commandments
of God and heeding the Laodicean message at that time. Ellen White was very
specific about what she referred to as the Seventh-day Adventist church. They are those who keep the commands of God
and heed the Laodicean message. That
is who she was referring to in 1MR 301.1.
All the statements the anti-separationist writer gives concerning
Babylon are totally out of context, and, as stated, they were written to two
men who were calling the church Babylon in 1893. Ellen White said to consider time, place
and circumstance regarding the use of all her writings: "Regarding the testimonies, nothing is ignored nothing is
cast aside but time and place must be considered." 1SM p. 57. Circumstance: We see those
who will select from the testimonies the strongest expressions and, without bringing in or
making any account of the
circumstances under which the cautions and warnings are given, make
them of force in every case. Thus they
produce unhealthy impressions upon the
minds of the people. There are always those who are ready to
grasp anything of a character which
they can use to rein up people to a close, severe test, and who will work
elements of their own characters into the
reforms. This, at the very outset, raises the combativeness of the very ones they might help if they dealt
carefully, bearing a healthful
influence which would carry the people with them. They will go at the
work, making a raid upon the people. Picking out some things in the testimonies they drive them upon every one,
and disgust rather than win souls. They make divisions when they might and
should make peace. {3SM 285.4} The separatists moment has its own prophet Ron Beaulieu, this man
claims to be a swift messenger with a message to professing Seventh Day
Adventists that the Adventist Church has joined Babylon.... Ellen White
speaks of another man, a man named B. who claimed Seventh-day Adventists were
Babylon... Ellen White says this man certainly gave a loud cry, and they had
much trouble with him; his mind became unbalanced, and he had to be placed in
the insane asylum. {1MR 298.3} The Lord has a message to this false prophet:
“The Lord hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.
Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of
the earth:... because thou hast taught rebellion against the Lord.... Ron responds: Here
again, the writer takes Ellen White’s comments to specific individuals and
misapplies them to me because my last name begins with B. The same thing could apply to that writer
using the initial of his first name which is G. His last name begins with Z, so there are
none for that. I have been giving my
warning message for 50 years and God does not permit his true prophets to
become unbalanced in mind. This False Prophet Ron Beaulieu is an "accuser of the
brethren," and it is the spirit of Satan that inspires him to watch for
the errors and defects of the Lord's people, and to hold them up to notice,
while their good deeds are passed by without a mention! {GC88 395.2} He takes
passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the
shaking among God's people, and he will talk of a coming out from this people
of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy. .
. . Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them, we
would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has ever been
witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan wants.--1SM 179 Ron responds: What
I watch for as a faithful watchmen is not mere error and defects, but gross,
strictly forbidden apostasy. That is
not miss accusing the brethren for we are to sigh and cry for all the
abominations in “Jerusalem,” Ezekiel 9, and show God’s people, the House of
Jacob, their sins, Isaiah 58:1. Ellen
White said that entire chapter is “OUR WORK.”
It is an abomination to refer to gross, unpardonable sin apostasy, as
mere errors and defects! "My message
to you is: No longer consent to listen without protest to the perversion of
truth. Unmask the pretentious sophistries which, if received, will lead
ministers and physicians and medical missionary workers to ignore truth.
Every one now is to stand on his guard. God call upon men and women to take
their stand under the blood-stained banner of Prince Emmanuel. I have been
instructed to warn our people for many are in danger of receiving theories
and sophistries that undermine the foundation pillars or the faith."
Ellen G. White, Series B, No. 2: 29. “If God abhors one sin above another,
of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency.
Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a
grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God.”
(3T:281) The message to the Laodiceans is applicable to Seventh-day Adventists
who have had great light, and have not walked in the light. It is those who
have made great profession, but have not kept in step with their Leader, that
will be spewed out of His mouth unless they repent. The message to pronounce
the church Babylon and call the people of God out of her, does not come from
any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.
{1MR 300.3} If the message to pronounce the church Babylon and call the
people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any
human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.... where does it come from? To
claim that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, is to make the same
claim as does Satan, who is an accuser of the brethren!! {TM 42.1} Ron responds: Ellen White’s Instructor, the Holy Spirit,
called the church a harlot on four different occasions. I have only quoted
those statements by the Holy Spirit. God and Ellen White give the earmarks of
apostasy that link the church to being a harlot. I would never dare call the
true Seventh-day Adventist church that loves God and keeps His commandments
and heeds the Laodicean message any part of Babylon, nor do I. Calling a New Movement that has removed
God, a part of Babylon, is another matter.
Selected Messages, Bk. 1,
204-5. Ellen White said that even if
the church became Laodicean it would not stand in the favor any more than the
fallen churches that have become the cage of every unclean and hateful bird, language
God strictly reserves to define Babylon in Revelation 18:2. Again, Ellen White said how the church could become NOT
Babylon, but a sister to fallen Babylon: Babylon statements: "We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel.
Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among
us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen
Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every
foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear
unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White,
Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery,
and Divorce, p. 193. "If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any
more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become
the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of
every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear
and receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist
church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet
possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal
churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches
who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898. Did the church become Laodicean?
Has it remained Laodicean? "The world must not be introduced into the church, and
married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church
will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every
unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies
to Ministers, p. 265. The character of
my work is to BUILD UP THE OLD WASTE PLACES AND TEAR DOWN a church that has
committed the following unpardonable abominations, which become so after
knowing the truth. "Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the
characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of
the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's
commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in
the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it
that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell
in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven
as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many
generations." E. G. White, SDA
Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151.
"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the
characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of
the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's
commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in
the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls [awakens] them,
The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered
[written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the
foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151. Scripture says in Matthew 25, that all those virgins slept and
the voice of God and the bride awakens them.
What is the message? “Behold
the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet Him?
Out of what? The world and
churches that cannot be distinguished from the world and Isaiah 4:1-4, says
that all formally organized churches, symbolized by seven women (God’s all
inclusive, perfect number—women symbolizing churches) are eating their own
bread, their own teachings of man, and wearing their own apparel, their own
robes of Laodicean self-righteousness, rich, increased with good,
flourishing, thinking that they are in need of nothing! That is the attitude of the individual who
write against me. He defends the
church to the hilt everyday on SDA Internet forums, as though the church was
okay except for a few minor errors (faults) and defects. Friends, what do we need when our prophetess, Ellen White, said
that just before the close of probation, every uncouth thing will be being
brought into SDA Campmeetings? What do
we need friend? A kick in the face? It
is too late to get in line with God “just before probation closes!” Be sure to order the Celebration Video,
made by a member of the church. He
filmed it at an Oregon SDA campmeeting youth tent. You will never be the same after watching
this video. You will see Ellen White’s
statement about what she saw “just before probation closes,” fulfilled right
before your eyes. The church service
for the youth is like a rock concert with loud music, drums, and lewd
gestures. There are lewd drama skits.
One with a young lady lying on the floor flailing her legs apart! There are
high-placed SDA leaders present jiving to the loud rock music! Every uncouth
thing? Yes, friend, just as Ellen
White stated. The maker of the video is an SDA Engineer. He does an excellent job of proving from
SDA periodical statements that North American SDA leaders are spearheading
the project to establish 15 new Celebration churches, aimed at the
“unchurched,” every month. Watch how many times the leaders mention
“unchurched” in their statements as to whom the Celebration movement is
targeted at. You need this video like you need your next breath of air. Please order. Just send a little for postage. It is free otherwise. God bless all the deep truth seekers, Ron |