A Proper Response to Ellen White's Statements to the Church—
#1 Broken into Atoms
“I know that the Lord loves His
church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms.
There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence
that such a thing will be. Those who shall heed this false message and try to
leaven others will be deceived and prepared to receive advanced delusions,
and they will come to nought.” {2SM
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or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought
wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the
Bible." E.G. White, Second Advent
Review and Herald, 11-25-34, pr. 24. The following Ellen G. White statement is
always proffered by the apostate leaders and those who follow them, as their
support base for not separating from an apostate church no matter what it
does. Let’s analyze the statement sentence by
sentence: · “I know that the Lord love His church.”
God loved Israel as well, but they played the harlot to the point of
unpardonable sin in Jeremiah 11:9-15, as indicated by God’s instruction not
to pray for that generation of Israel. Ellen White said that only God’s
presence can constitute the church and God does not smell in a “church” that
aligns itself with Babylon’s associations, councils and confederacies, just
as His presence departed from the Jews in Jeremiah 11:15—“…the holy flesh is
passed from thee.” SDA’s have now done everything that generation of Jews did
in Jer. 11:9-15, plus all the omega of apostasy violations specified in Selected Messages, 204-5. · “It is not to be disorganized or broken
up into independent atoms.” The church will not be disorganized or broken
into atoms until it is destroyed in another Ezekiel 9 slaughter. Stanton and
Caldwell were trying to disorganize the church and break it up into atoms and
that was against Ezekiel 9, wherein Jerusalem will stand until it is
destroyed by God. But we know by other statements by Ellen White and
Scripture, that God does not tolerate in professing Seventh-day Adventists
what He did not tolerate in Israel--Jer. 11:9-15 and Isaiah 8:9-14. Ellen
White and the pioneers hoped beyond hope that there would not be the need of
another coming out, but the Bible and the example of Christ dictate why andwhen separation is necessary: "As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches,
but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped
that there would not be the necessity for another coming out." Ellen G.
White, The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, Vol. 1, p. 356-7. · “There is not the least consistency in
this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.” The only
way to interpret this statement so as not to make her contradict herself and
Scripture on another separation, is to conclude that indeed, the SDA church
that was later to commit omega apostasy, would not become disorganized and
extinct, for that would preclude the fulfillment of other statements by Ellen
White, to wit: · She said that the destruction of
Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was a prefigure. (GC,
p. 25). In that type, there was a separation from A.D. 27 to A.D. 66,
conducted by Christ first, and then His disciples. · There was not the least consistency that
the church was in danger at the time of Stanton and Caldwell’s teaching that
the church was Babylon, because Ellen White clearly says that the church was
heeding the Laodicean Message and keeping the commandments in 1893, and was
experiencing a spiritual refreshing. This is why Ellen White said what she
said in order to stifle a message that was running way ahead of the angel.
However, just 10 years later, Ellen White’s Instructor, called the church a
harlot, Testimonies, Vol. 8, p.
250, and one would be hard pressed to prove that the church has reformed from
that position in light of the omega apostasy, and the teaching by the church
of two diametrically opposed gospels. · How do we accurse (have nothing to do
with) a church that teaches another gospel (one of the two is dead wrong), and remain supporting members at
the same time?! How do we remain members and not corporately responsible for
the accursed gospel being taught, along with Satan’s teaching on the Godhead.
The Godhead is such a crucial issue because everything one believes pivots
and clusters around his/her understanding of the Godhead and the human nature
of Christ. · Ellen White gave a number of statements
as to how the church could become a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The church has fulfilled those statements. What now? Is there any virtue to
be gained by membering with and supporting a sister
to fallen Babylon? · Ellen White said that it is impossible to
unite with the corrupt and remain pure. She quotes Scripture to support her
statement. Here is that statement: "It
is impossible for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain
pure. (II Corinthians 6:14, 15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host
would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become
corrupt." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137. One would think that considering such a
serious pronouncement, that we are given the discernment to recognizing
corruption, or the counsel of that statement and its attending biblical
support are moot—meaningless to us. · The SDA
Bible Commentary says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature among
thorns which is a term symbolizing open sinners in the church. Open sinners
were to be disfellowshipped if they would not reform, but when the church
will NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob it’s sins, 5T, 211, what then? What
about the impossibility of the wheat maturing THEN? · Ezekiel 5:1-3 depicts a small remnant
being saved while the remainder of the church is destroyed. This occurred in
A.D. 70. This occurred in Nebuchadnezzar’s destructions of Jerusalem as well.
· Isaiah 37:31 and 32, teach that a remnant
will go forth out of Jerusalem, the church militant. Ellen White said that
all the ancient prophets wrote more for us than the Jews, and God said they wrote
as ensamples unto us to whom the end of the world is come. · Isaiah says that seven women (God’s all
inclusive number) symbolizing all formally organized churches at the end-time
will be doing their own thing; eating their own bread—their own opinions and
devisings of men, and wearing their own apparel—their robes of Laodicean
self-righteousness—rich, increased with goods, in need of nothing. · God says that the 144,000, Revelation
14:1-4, are not defiled with women or fallen churches. · Ellen White said that we are corporately
responsible for the sins of the church: "The
plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will
rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their
sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins
existing in individuals among them." Testimonies,
vol. 3, p. 269. The church will clearly not endure the plain straight
testimony. It is teaching two distinctly different gospels—one for the
conservatives and one for the liberals. The conservative gospel is correct,
but its advocates do not take a correct response to the apostasy when the
church has united with the world via association, counsel and confederacy
with the fallen churches; adoption of their false Trinity Doctrine, and their
Accreditation Standards for education, thus marrying the world to our youth
and vice versa. Also, Ellen White said that the fallen churches cannot be
distinguished from the world, EW, 273. So to unite with them in any way that
would identify us with them, which is exactly what Ellen White said we should
not do, unites the church with the world by the principle of corporate
responsibility. · Did God ever give any church an
unconditional promise that they were His people no matter what they did? Not
to my knowledge. The faithful must ask the following
questions: 1. Was the faithful church broken up into
atoms when Christ and His disciples separated? 2. Was the faithful church broken up into
atoms when Paul separated? 3. Was the faithful church broken up into
atoms when the Reformation occurred? 4. Was the faithful church broken up into
atoms when SDA's separated from the Reformation churches when they
apostatized by not accepting new light? 5. Was the faithful church broken up into
atoms in every succeeding generations since Christ,
DA 232, when the ecclesiastical leaders refused new light? 6. Is the church where God's presence
is--where two or three love God and keep the commandments, considered as
broken into atoms? 7. Is the final faithful church broken up
into atoms when the Ezekiel 9 separation mentioned by Ellen White occurs?
"The angel with the writer's ink horn is to place a mark upon the
foreheads of all who are separated from sin and sinners, and
the destroying angel follows this angel (Letter 12, 1886). {4BC 1161.5}.
Since it is impossible for the wheat to mature amongst open, corrupt sinners,
and that omega of apostasy is to wax stronger until the end, how can the
faithful remain among what we recognize to be open sin apostasy and be among
the wheat that matures? 8. When God causes the Ezekiel
9 separation from sin and sinners that occurs as a result of the
shaking (above EGW statement), is that considered as the church being
disorganized and being broken up into atoms? 9. When the SDA church should no longer
operate above ground after the Sunday Law time, is that the church being
broken up into atoms? 10. Is the true
church of Zion (Heb. 12:22, 23) the heavenly Jerusalem, ever broken up
into atoms? 11. Is it
possible for the wheat to remain pure and mature among the corrupt? If the
church won’t disfellowship the thorns, open
sinners, and if the very leadership is the prime runner in bringing sinful
apostasy into the church, what then? 12. Ellen White said that
the church would change leaders and know it not. What then? 13. If
the wheat and tares dwell together until the harvest, why did we have all the
examples of separation from sin that I have documented above? The truth is
that the church is not supposed to suffer thorns (open sinners) to exist in
the church. If the church violates it duty in this area and the leaders are
the culprits, which is the case with the SDA church militant, then we have
but one course, separation. And if we don’t separate, we become corporately
responsible for the KNOWN open sin committed. "The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the
curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient
Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately],
responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269. 14. Does God need the SDA church to give the final call to
Babylon? No. He said that if the church betrayed its commission the very
stones would cry out. Ellen White said God needs nothing: "The Lord
Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people
rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and
gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with
every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the
Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling,
the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear
important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives
from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in
all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and,
unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a
reproach. God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any
thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The
Upward Look, 131. Supporting elaborations by Ellen White
that answer the above questions correctly: "Christ was a protestant...The
Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated
themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers
did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by
Christ and the apostles." E.G. White,
Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 48, col. 2. Is not Christ our example? "The Sanhedrin had rejected
Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from
Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people
who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim
His message, and to gather out those who should carry the
gospel to all nations. As the light and life of men was rejected
by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been
rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the
history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the
Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating
themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not
tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class,
who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers
of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the
voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be
presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to
turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching
of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the
same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may
render obedience." E.G. White, Desire
of Ages, 232. The above statement clearly says that the
reason the reformers separated from the established church is because the
religious leaders would not tolerate light. That is a Spirit of Prophecy and
Bible sanctioned reason for separating from established churches. The early
Jews did the same thing during their early experience in Shiloh: "The recreant priests added
licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted
by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to
come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the
corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not
to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with
their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last
determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would
be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations
practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1,
p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. Paul left "And as they persisted in their
rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue,
and spake boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the
things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and
believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed
from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one
Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9. "Fearing that the faith of the
believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of
the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a
distinct body." E.G. White, Acts
of the Apostles, p. 286. Not all tares are to be separated from
the wheat. Ellen White defines tares as insincere believers whose motives we
would have to judge in order to remove them. However, she does recognize open sinning
tares, and says that they should be removed from the church if they will not
reform. When open sinning tares take over a church and become the majority to
the point that "nothing is permitted to stand in their way," then
the wheat must separate. "They [the tares in context] are of
Satan's sowing, and if left unchecked, will spoil the wheat by their rank
growth." E.G. White, Counsels to Parents, Teachers and Students, 189. Did Christ separate the wheat from the
chaff? "'Whose fan is in His hand, and He
will thoroughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner.'
[Matt. 3:12]. This was one of the times of purging. By the words of truth,
the chaff was being separated from the wheat. Because they were too vain and
self-righteous to receive reproof, too world-loving to accept a life of
humility, many turned away from Jesus. Many are still doing the same thing.
Souls are tested today as were those disciples in the synagogue at Capernaum.
When truth is brought home to the heart, they see that their lives are not in
accordance with the will of God. They see the need of an entire change in
themselves but they are not willing to take up the self-denying work.
Therefore they are angry when their sins are discovered. They go away
offended, even as the disciples left Jesus, murmuring. This is an hard saying who can hear it?'" Desire of Ages,
392. Since many of the E.G. White statements I
will be responding to involve the following letter to Stanton and Caldwell, I
here produce the letter in its entirety. Change
Leaders and Know it Not Change leaders : "There is
manifested on the part of men in responsible positions an unwillingness to
confess where they have been in the wrong and their neglect is working
disaster, not only to themselves, but to the churches....You will be left to
make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and
will can sin righteousness and righteousness sin. The multitude of deceptions
that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will change
leaders, and not know that you have done so." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 448. Change Leaders: "Men in positions of responsibility are in
danger of changing leaders. This I know, for it has been plainly revealed to
me." E.G. White, Series B, #2,
p. 48. Change Leaders: "Men who might have stood in clear light,
doing valiant service as ministers of the gospel and medical missionaries, have been accepting false theories and
sophistries which originated with the father of lies, and yet they do not
realize that they have changed." E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, #7, p. 13-16, November 20, 1905. Change Leaders: "Satan will set up his hellish banner right
in your homes, and you will be so blinded to the real nature of his
deceptions that you reverence it as the banner of Christ." E.G. White, The 1888 Materials, p. 505. Change Leaders: "They will not recognize him [Satan] as
their enemy, that old serpent, but they will consider him a FRIEND, one who
is doing a good work." Testimonies,
vol. 5, p. 294. Change Leaders: Satan has laid his plans to undermine our faith
in the history of the cause and work of God. I am deeply in earnest as I
write this. Satan is working with men in prominent positions to sweep away
the foundation of our faith. Shall we allow this to be done, brethren?"
E.G. White, Review and Herald, Nov.
19, 1903. Change Leaders if Mistakes are not Admitted and Changed: "If
when the Lord reveals your errors you do not repent or make confession, his
providence will bring you over the ground again and again. You will be left
to make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom,
and will call sin righteousness, and righteousness sin. The multitude of
deceptions that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you
will CHANGE LEADERS, AND NOT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE SO." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, p. 449. Change Leaders: "Satan has COME IN with his specious
temptations, and has led the professed followers of Christ away from the
[PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies to Ministers, p. 130. Change Leaders: "Refusing to follow in the path of
obedience, they transferred their allegiance to Satan. The enemy rejoiced in
his success in effacing the divine image from the minds of the people that
God had chosen as His representatives. Through [ECUMENICAL] intermarriage
with idolaters and CONSTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THEM [Isa. 8:9-20], Satan
brought about that for which he had long been working,--a national apostasy."
Fundamentals to Christian Education,
p. 449. Change Leaders: "The recreant priests added licentiousness
to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their
presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into
the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course
of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to
the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace
disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer
their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as
acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in
the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The
Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. Doing After
the Manner of the World at the Time When the Danger to the Church is Greatest "The leaven if godliness has not entirely lost its power. At
the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest,
the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying
for the abominations that are done in the land. But MORE ESPECIALLY will their prayers arise in behalf of the church because
ITS MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the world." Testimonies, vol. 5, 209, 210. The above statement is speaking of the great time of Jacob’s
trouble! There is a little company, the faithful remnant of Isaiah 37:31, 32,
and Ezekiel 5:1-3, who are standing in the light. Are they members of the
church? Evidently not, for the MEMBERS of the church are doing after the
manner of the world. And how do we know that the above statement is strictly speaking
about the professing Seventh-day Adventist church? Because in its context,
which begins on page 207,
Ellen White begins the chapter by quoting Ezekiel 9, and
Ezekiel 9 is concerned with Jerusalem, and spiritual Jerusalem at the
end-time is the professing SDA church militant. Friend, God has given us license to come and reason together. How
could all of the above facts be reasoned other than I have done, without
contradicting? If someone has the answer to this riddle, I will publish it on
my Website and renounce my warning message. But I forewarn you friend, my
message was given me by God Almighty, and you will not have an easy task
trying to refute the above conclusions. The most solid conclusion that anyone could come to in regard to
all “questionable” E.G. White statements relative to separation, is the fact
that finally, in 1909, just six years before her death, she said that Ezekiel
9 will be literally fulfilled. In A.D. 70, the fulfillment of Ezekiel 9
demanded another coming out from apostate Judaism. Ellen White called that a prefigure, as I have stated many times. Any
LITERAL FULFILLMENT of that chapter DEMANDS A SEPARATION from Jerusalem, the
SDA church, into which the tares, dross, will be shaken. The wheat is shaken
into the heavenly garner, Hebrews 12:22, 23. In all truthfulness, this evidence was stated in the first
publication of The Great Controversy,
but as stated, Ellen White hoped against hope that there would not be the
need for another coming out. But this 1909 statement, combined with her
stating that A.D. 70 was a prefigure, says it all: "Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be
literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They
refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer
will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths
revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual
experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive
His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every
case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909,
pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland
and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)"
E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p.
260. In the prefigure, the following took place: · Jesus
gathered out the faithful from the apostate church. DA 232, until A.D. 66, 3
˝ years before the destruction of Jerusalem, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, p. 74-77. · The dross
(tares and open apostate thorn sinners) were gathered into the midsts of Jerusalem for burning and melting, Ezekiel
22:17-31. · This
prefigure and Ellen White’s prophecy that it will be LITERALLY FULFILLED
again, is irrefutable evidence demanding another coming out. There is no room
for error. God bless all, Ron Beaulieu |