How to Respond to The Shepherd's Rod Message and the Davidian Seventh-day Adventists

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Dear Reader,

I have been conversing with a Davidian Seventh-day Adventist on the Internet.  This document will demonstrate a huge error in the interpretations of their prophet, one Victor Houteff.  Davidian Adventists regularly attend the Seventh-day Adventist church and believe that they will purge and purify that church before probation closes.

----- Original Message -----

From: WS

To: Sda Issues

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:54 AM

Subject: [SDAIssues] The Ezk. 9 Question

 

Hi Ron 

A while ago you sent: 

“Walt, 

Ellen White saw Ezekiel 9 fulfilled after the close of probation, per The Great Controversy, p. 656.  How do you reconcile this fact with Victor Houtef'f’s teaching that it occurs before probation closes.  Yesterday you expressed the need for accuracy in handling the truth.  Please give an accurate resolution to the contradiction Houteff makes to Ellen White's timing for Ezekiel 9. 

Shepherd's Rod book, Vol.  1 35

Ezekiel 9 cannot meet its fulfillment at the time Christ comes in the clouds, for the slaughter is in the church.  The church of Christ must be pure and clean, free from every stain long before Jesus comes.  If we are not in this pure condition, we can not hope to stand in the time of trouble, nor can we escape the effects of the plagues.  The church could not stand without an intercessor after probation nor before, if there is one unclean thing in the camp of Israel.  "For thus saith the Lord God of Israel, there is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O Israel: Thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you. " Joshua 7:13. 

When the concept of “type” and “antitype” is understood, along with the point that there necessarily must be more than one close of probation, that is: probation does not close for all at the same time, the statement on 656 can more easily be understood in its relation to some of the others she has also made according to the subject.  [In Testimonies 3 & 5 she speaks the same in regards to a pure house, Achan etc.]

It is to be noted who are modern “Israel” and “Judah”, for that is to whom the passage in the Bible (Ezk. 9), is addressed.  Two “houses”, are addressed.  Why?  Does the fact also seem to allow for a pagan entity as the focal point?  Where does the slaughter begin?  Who are naturally, justly and logically likely to be first?  Is God to use the judgment of one, as an instruction (warning), to the other?  

The Shepherd Rod concept of the terms “Israel” and “Judah” give insight into the matter, for it clearly sets the terms as both literal and symbolic, and would state that in one representation, “Judah” relates more to the SDA denomination (the southern kingdom), while “Israel” coincides with the other denominations (the northern tribes).  [We can see something similar in the historical picture that has been left.  All we have to do is to take a close look at the divided kingdom to see that one {the greater portion}, was into a false way from the start, were literally scattered, and are now thought to be of no account – a thing of nought.]  And yet it (the Rod), will also state in another representation, that the SDA is at times termed “Israel” for the simple fact that it is where the 144,000 (Israel), are found.   

The terms have various, applicable meanings according to the context.  This is the way it is in the Bible also, for the word “Israel” can mean all 12 (13), tribes; just Judah, or just the northern tribes (Ephraim).  

In any instance one may have to study to find whether Ezekiel 9 has two applications: one first to the church SDA, which sets the 144,000 apart for their holy service, and another that comes later to separate the wicked and the righteous in the other denominations often termed the “world” or Babylon.   Two groups emerge: the 144,000 and the “great multitude” of Rev. 7, and join into one kingdom of righteous souls fulfilling Ezk. 37:15 -28 – the first separation being as a type to the other.

 The Rod has a powerful and bold statement the does say in effect: “no type, no truth.” 

It is also interesting to note that in ancient times God dealt with the northern tribes first, and such was to be a warning to ancient Judah.  Today though, as is often seen, the situation is reversed, for those who should know the most (“the ancient men...before the house”), are dealt with at the outset. 

I hope this helps.  If not, ask again. 

Walt

Ron responds to Walt:

Walt,

 

I will agree with you on one thing:  “NO TYPE, NO TRUTH.”  Everything I am going to say to you is based on TYPE and the truth of Scripture and Ellen White.  Houteff’s interpretation countermands Ellen White’s type as you will soon see in short-shrift (quick work).

 

Certainly, according to Ellen White, A.D. 70 was a fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.  She said that destruction was a PREFIGURE TYPE that would "begin at His Sanctuary," but also symbolized the destruction of the world after beginning at His Sanctuary.

 

Houteff did not understand Ezekiel 5:1-5.  The slaughter occurs in the church AFTER a small remnant escape.  The church will continue on after the Sunday Law and no buy and sell time, and tell its members to keep Sunday sacred, tantamount to taking the Mark of the Beast. 

"The Lord has a controversy with his professed people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers, will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 1, p. 405, col. 3.

The fallen Babylonian churches will recognize the following things that will highly agitate them and Satan their leader:

·        The SDA church militant will have forsaken the Sabbath, one of it main reasons for existence.

·        The SDA church will have joined Babylon’s Associations, Councils, Girdings, and Confederacies, which is strictly forbidden by God, Isaiah 8:9-13.

·        The SDA church will take the Mark of Satan’s authority, Sunday sacredness.

·        The SDA church will thus have forfeited its mission to the world, the three angel’s messages.

·        The SDA church has thus accepted Satan as its leader, but it wants to remain a separate and distinct church.  That will infuriate Satan.  Thus, the rest of fallen Babylon will destroy their harlot sister, because she still refuses to become one with them and want to remain a separate church, even after she has renounced all the distinctives that made her a viable separate church at her inception.

Babylon will destroy the church as the SDA Bible Commentary on Ezekiel 9 says, for this reason: 

 

The church forsakes its only doctrines that ONCE gave it reason to exist as a separate church, but still will not forsake its existence as a separate church after renouncing all that it has used as reason for a distinct and separate church in the first place.  The church wants to keep going for its love of mammon, money.  This angers Satan and his Babylon churches.  For this reason, Satan's church confederacy will attack and slaughter the professing SDA church before Jesus comes.  The faithful church will be out in hiding in the wilderness, Ezekiel 20:34, 38.  This is the SDA Church triumphant from which and by which the tares are shaken out of the heavenly Jerusalem.  Their message separates the wheat from the tares and the tares are burned in the churches.  Then worldlings will destroy the Babylonian Christian churches.  You can accept this or not Walt.  This is the scenario God showed me clearly in vision.

 

Houteff was mistaken in believing that the church militant would be purged and purified to leave it the church triumphant.  That is totally wrong.  The good will leave the bad just like the PREFIGURE of A.D. 70, Chapter 1, The Great Controversy.  Houteff is applying Joshua 7:13, out of context.  Before Israel's probation closed, Joshua 7:13 was applicable and feasible.  After 34 A.D., Joshua 7:13 was no longer possible because Israel's probation had closed.  So the good left the bad. 

 

"For thus saith the Lord God of Israel, there is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O Israel: Thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you. " Joshua 7:13. 

 

Apostate Israel could not stand before its enemies in A.D. 70, because it’s probation and the offer of Joshua 7:13 has lapsed.  The same thing has occurred already in the SDA church militant.  The church closed its probation by forming a conspiratorial confederacy with Satan’s brothel, Babylon, the Synagogue of Satan.  Jeremiah 11:9-15, says not to even pray for a church that does that.  We can pray for individuals, but not for a church that so apostatizes.

 

The same author of Ezekiel 5 and 9, authored Ezekiel 22:17-31, and remember there were no chapter separations and/or designations in the original manuscripts.  Where were the bad (tares, dross) gathered in the PREFIGURE TYPE of A.D. 70?  In the midst of Jerusalem, the apostate church.

 

Ellen White said that the church and the world are the field.  Tares are burned in the field in both cases.

 

"The 'field,' Christ said, 'is the world.' But we must understand this as signifying the church of Christ in the world. The parable is a description of that which pertains to the kingdom of God, His work of salvation of men and this work is accomplished through the church. True, the Holy Spirit has gone out into all the world everywhere it is moving upon the hearts of men but it is in the church that we are to grow and ripen for the garner of God." Christ's Object Lessons. 70.

 

I have proven this week that the professing Seventh-day Adventist church is a MEMBER of the French Federation of Protestant Churches.  This Federation is the National Council of Churches of France.  SDA Membership in such strictly forbidden organizations requires that the church pays large annual dues.  In 1988, Butler, the General Conference Treasurer, told me that the church paid $8,000 plus to the National Council of Churches of Christ in the U.S.A. for that year.  If the church gives money to Babylon, it thus supports the vile doctrines of Babylon, and becomes responsible for those doctrines.

 

http://members.tripod.com/omega77/sdaecumenical2.htm

 

This Federation is listed in my Directory of Christian Councils, published by the World Council of Churches, as a MEMBER of the World Council of Churches, a Satanic, terrorists supporting organization.

 

http://omega77.tripod.com/WCCRDigArt.htm

 

Every member of the professing Seventh-day Adventist church militant is corporately responsible for this liaison with Babylon.  SDA’s cannot call people out of Babylon, the three angel’s messages, when they are so implicated themselves!

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.

Ezekiel 22

17 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 18 Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross: all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace; they are even the dross of silver. 19 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you. 21 Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst therof. 22 As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you. 23 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation. 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. 30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD

Walt, it is my sincere prayer that you and all of your fellow believers in Victor Houteff, will see his errors and follow the true PREFIGURE TYPE of A.D. 70, the last fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, which Ellen White says will find another literal fulfillment beginning “at His Sanctuary,” (5T, 211), and ending with the destruction of the world.

 

Blessings on your study of His Word,

 

Ron

Other links:

http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-D/Davidians-what.pdf

http://www.sdadefend.com/WolvesinFleeces/Rods%202.htm