This is yet another expose`
of the Shepherd’s Rod errors. Asyria Falls is the owner of the Davidian
forum at the following address:
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From: asyriafalls
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Revelation 20:5-6
At the resurrection of
the wicked after the millennium the wicked live 100 years Isa 65:20. It
takes time to prepare for war against the H. City. It does not happpen in
a moment. They have to also build the wasted lands munitions plants etc.
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From: Ron Beaulieu
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Revelation 20:5-6
Also, Ellen White says:
"Jesus lifted the
veil from the future life. "in the resurrection," He said,
"they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the
angels of God in heaven" [Matt. 22:30]. DA 605 (1898).
So the Shepherd's Rod
interprets Isaiah 65 so as to CONTRADICT GOD ALMIGHTY AS WELL, let
alone Ellen White!
Ron
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From: Ron Beaulieu
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Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Revelation 20:5-6
Here is proof absolute that the Shepherd's Rod misinterprets
Isaiah 65:20:
Here is Isa. 65:23: "They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble;
for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring
with them."
If we apply Isaiah
65:20, which is in full context with v. 23, to after the millennium is
over, there would be BRINGING FORTH (BIRTH) in the new heavens and the
new earth. Here again, the Rod interprets Scripture to make Ellen G.
White a self-contradictory false prophet, for she says:
"There are men today who express their belief that there
will be marriages and births in the new earth, but those who believe the
Scriptures cannot accept such doctrines" (Medical Ministry 99).
Isaiah 65:20 implies that there will no more be an infant of
days (or infant death). Verse 21 and 22 in context with verse 20, (by the
Shepherd's Rod interpretation) would have the wicked as "mine
elect" in verse 22!
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1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are , and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Adam Clarke's Commentary and the
SDA
Bible Commentary both state that Isaiah 65 is referring to
CONDITIONAL PROMISES TO THE JEWS--CONDITIONAL TO THEIR REFORMATION AND
OBEDIENCE after their captivities under Nebuchadnezzar, and a type of New
Heaven and Earth the Jews would have experienced if they had obeyed God,
and not THE ULTIMATE NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH, though they would have
experienced some of the aspects of the final new heaven and earth. Their
lifespan had declined to about 70 years. God is saying in Isaiah 65:20
that their children would live to be one hundred (a round number meaning
an old age) if they would reform during their captivity under
Nebuchadnezzar and obey God's commandments and statutes.
Here is what the SDA
Bible Commentary says under
the world "child" in Isaiah 65:20:
"Child. Heb. na'ar, "a lad," "a youth." The
third group, the youth is now mentioned. The statement concerning them
parallels those concerning the other groups. The young people, too, would
not die until they had lived out the allotted span. The span is here
placed at 100 years. Why this particular figure was chosen is not made
clear. It was doubtless a round number, and in the time of Isaiah
represents a figure well above the average span of life. According to Ps.
90:10, of which Moses is thought to have been the author, man's span was
70 years. A few attained to 80 years. Of the kings of Judah from Rehoboam
to Jehoiakim whose approximate length of life can be calculated, the
average age at death was about 47 years. An age of 100 years for Isaiah's
contemporaries would thus be considerably above the age that the average
man hoped to reach.
The promises here made to Israel on the CONDITION that they would
cooperate with the divine program may be compared with the promises to
them at the time of the Exodus. At that time the Lord promised to take
away all sickness (Deut. 7:15). Upon the fulfillment of the
"conditions," the promise was verified to them. "There was
not one feeble person among their tribes" (Ps. 105:37; see further
COL 288). The same promises of longevity and immunity from suffering were
now once again offered Israel, and upon the same conditions.
The conditions here described--a spiritually revived Israel at last
working in harmony with Heaven's plan, and inheriting a once more
productive Palestine (Isa. 65:9, 10)--would have preceded the final
eradication of sin and sinners, the resurrection, and subsequent
immortality for the righteous. Isaiah is setting forth the steps leading
up to these final events as they would have been fulfilled to the nation
of Israel.
With the failure of Israel and the consequent fulfillment of these
promises in the Christian church (PK 713, 714), certain features will be
altered, but the final climatic event--the new heavens and the new earth,
in which dwelleth righteousness--is still the blessed hope of the saints
today (2 Peter 3:13; Rev. 21:1, 2). For this the church has long prayed
(Matt. 6:10).
Accursed.
In contrast with the blessings enjoyed by the righteous, the sinner, even
should he attain to old age, would be accursed." SDA Bible
Commentary, Vol. 4, pp. 333,
334.
There would be no
purpose in extending the life of sinners for 100 years after the
millennium! All of them are SINNERS. It would be superfluous and
redundant for Isaiah to say that SINNERS would be accursed! All who are
raised for the second death are ACCURSED!
Under infant of days in
Isaiah 65:20 it says:
"20. Infant of days. That
is, an infant who dies being but a few days old. Many expositors have
been greatly perplexed over this verse inasmuch as it presupposes the
continuance of death and sin at a time when they believe these would have
been abolished. The perplexity has been expressed thus: "What is
most remarkable in the description is that death and sin are represented
as still continuing" (Pulpit). The answer to this problem has
already been given (see on v. 17). Isaiah describes the new heavens and
the new earth in terms of how these conditions would have been brought
about with respect to the nation of Israel.
The resurrection and state of immortality would have been preceded by a
period in which adherence to the laws of God and cooperation with the
divine program would have largely banished sickness and premature death.
It is this feature that Isaiah emphasizes in this present verse. His language
is poetic, but the general meaning seems clear. His first point of
observation is with regard to infant mortality. There would be no infant
deaths.
Filled his days. That is, there would be no
premature deaths. Old men would not die until they had lived out their
allotted span." ibid., p. 333.
Comments on verse 17:
"17.
I create. In vs. 17-25
Isaiah describes new heavens and a new earth that would have been brought
about should Israel heed the messages of the prophets and fulfill the
divine purpose following the restoration from captivity. Israel failed:
hence, in secondary application, these verses point forward to the new
heavens and the new earth to be ushered in at the close of the
millennium. However, the description should be understood first in terms
of its local setting, and secondary application be made only in the light
of what the NT writers and the Spirit of Prophecy have to say regarding
the future life (see pp. 35-38). When such a principle of interpretation
is followed, the passage presents no problems. However, if attempts are
made to apply all details of the passage to the future new heavens and
new earth, several difficulties present themselves: (1) According to v.
20, unless the language is to be understood in a highly metaphorical
sense, death is still present (see on v. 20), whereas in the heaven and
earth of which John speaks there will be no death (Rev. 21:4).
Note by Ron: Children
would live to be a hundred and then die BEFORE the second death,
necessitating A THIRD DEATH! And the same would occur in the case of old
men who had fulfilled their days! This is preposterous! End note.
Comment on verse 17
continued:
"(2) According to Isa. 65:23 (see comments there) children are still being born. In the heavens and earth to which we
look forward those who are "accounted worthy to obtain that world .
. . neither marry, nor are given in marriage" (Luke 20:35). The
comment on this passage is too clear to be misapplied, "There are
men today who express their belief that there will be marriages and
births in the new earth, but those who believe the Scriptures cannot
accept such doctrines" (Medical Ministry 99).
(3) According to Isa. 66:23, 24
worshipers on the way to Jerusalem view the carcasses of those who have
transgressed against God, whereas according to Rev. 20-22 the fires of
the last day completely renovate the earth before it becomes the home of
the redeemed....
There will be new heavens and a new earth, but the manner in which they
will be ushered in is somewhat different now tat the purposes of God,
instead of being accomplished through Israel, the chosen nation, will be
accomplished through the Christian church (see PK 713, 714)." SDA
Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, p.
332. (All emphases mine--Ron)
Ron's
comments: Surely, one must consider the CONTEXT of Isaiah 65, remembering
that there were no chapter designations in the original manuscripts. Here
is Isa. 65:23:
"They
shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed
of the Lord, and their offspring with them."
Isaiah 65:20 implies that
there will no more be an infant of days (or infant death). Verse 21 and
22 in context with verse 20, (by the Shepherd's Rod interpretation) would
have the wicked as "mine elect" in verse 22!
Ron
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From: asyriafalls
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Revelation 20:5-6
At the resurrection of
the wicked after the millennium the wicked live 100 years Isa 65:20. It
takes time to prepare for war against the H. City. It does not happpen in
a moment. They have to also build the wasted lands munitions plants etc.
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