Walter
Veith’s Evil Attempt to Misrepresent True Reformers
and to Deceive the People of God
In one of his videos, Walter Veith makes an evil
attempt to misrepresent True Reformers as being guilty of obliquely calling the
church Babylon, by quoting the following statement by Ellen G. White. However,
the statement is by Ellen White, and a sister to fallen Babylon is a sister to
the daughters of Mother Babylon. Ellen White is saying it. True Reformers only
quote her.
“We must as a people arouse and cleanse the
camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are
coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to
fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with
every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be
clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil?” {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449,
pp. 17, 18.}
Actually,
Ellen White
said in another statement that the church would be worse than Babylon. Testimonies,
Vol. 2, from which the following statement is quoted, was penned in 1870. Why
do I say “would be?” Because in 1870, the church was
not yet worse than Babylon. In 1893, Ellen White said that the church was
receiving a refreshing from the Holy Spirit.
Worse than Babylon –
"God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They are idolaters,
and are worse, in the
sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no
knowledge of a better way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 440-442.
In
1904, Ellen White said that the church had become a harlot, to wit:
“The heavenly Teacher
inquired: “What stronger delusion can beguile the mind than the pretense that
you are building on the right foundation and that God accepts your works, when in reality you are working out many things according to
worldly policy and are sinning against Jehovah? Oh, it is a great deception, a
fascinating delusion, that takes possession of minds when men who have once
known the truth, mistake the form of godliness for the spirit and power
thereof; when they suppose that they are rich and increased with goods and in
need of nothing, while in reality they are in need of
everything.” {8T 249.3}
“God has not changed toward
His faithful servants who are keeping their garments spotless. But many are
crying, ‘Peace and safety,’ while sudden destruction is coming upon them.
Unless there is thorough repentance, unless men humble their hearts by
confession and receive the truth as it is in Jesus, they will never enter
heaven. When purification shall take place in our ranks, we shall no longer
rest at ease, boasting of being rich and increased with goods, in need of
nothing.{8T 250.1}
Who can truthfully say: “Our
gold is tried in the fire; our garments are unspotted by the world”? I saw our
Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them
off, He laid bare the defilement beneath. Then He said to me: “Can you not see
how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of
character? ‘How is the
faithful city become an harlot!’ My Father’s
house is made a house of merchandise, a place whence the divine presence and
glory have departed! For this cause there is weakness,
and strength is lacking.” {8T 250.2}
Is there any consolation to being an Adventist Harlot rather than a Babylonian Harlot?
Would it not be worse for the people who have advanced knowledge and a
prophetess to guide them? Apparently, Walter Veith doesn’t think so! Tens of
thousands are attaching themselves to his train to destruction! Much of his
presentations are good. But you better be able to distinguish between the good
and the bad. Better study for yourself than trust your salvation to a man who
instructs you to SUPER GLUE yourselves to a new movement, new organization (1SM
204-205) NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES! I would expect that from a Jesuit or a Mason,
but NOT A TRUE ADVENTIST!
I instruct my readers to NEVER
call the church Babylon, for that could be flattering in the case of a church
that has had advanced knowledge, but has rejected that
knowledge. And that because of Isaiah 37:31, 32, along with Isaiah 4:1-5, the
final Midnight Cry call is to ALL CHURCHES in the land, including the
professing SDA new movement church.
Ellen White said that Seventh-day Adventists would be brought down to hell. She spoke of TWO NOBLE SHIPS, one of which sinks to rise no more. But the leaders don’t tell you that fact. They always mention the NOBLE SHIP that goes through to port heaven, as though that ship was the new movement NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.
“Of those who boast of their light and yet
fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto
you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than
for you. And thou,
Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted
unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for
if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it
would have remained until this day."--RH Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED
COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}
As
well, Ellen White said that Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and little
children BEGINS at HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, THE HOUSE OF JACOB. 5T 211. She
is quoting Ezekiel 9:6. She says that Ezekiel 9 will be literally fulfilled
again and that the last literal fulfillment in A.D. 70, Chapter 1 Great
Controversy, p. 25, was a PREFIGURE of the terrors of the last great day,
which (again for important emphasis) BEGINS AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, THE
HOUSE OF JACOB, 5T 211 and (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September
26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.
A Call For Reformation
“Unless the church, which is now
being leavened with her own backsliding, shall repent and be converted, she
will eat of the fruit of her own doing, until she shall abhor herself.”
Will the church reform from
its apostasy?
Wax stronger until Jesus comes: "One thing it is certain
is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing
and waxing stronger, and will
continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our
denominated faith, and go forward from strength to
increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by
the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the
present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering
faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of
the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of
the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth,
when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and
doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G.
White, Special
Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).
"The enemy will set
everything in operation to uproot the confidence of the believers in the
pillars of our faith in the messages of the past, which have placed us upon the elevated platform of eternal truth, and
which have established and given character to the work. The Lord God of Israel
has led out His people, unfolding to them truth of heavenly origin."
"The truth for this time is precious, but those whose hearts have not been
broken by falling on the Rock Christ Jesus, will not see and understand what is truth. They will accept that which pleases their ideas, and will begin to
manufacture another foundation than that which is laid. They will flatter their own vanity and esteem, thinking that
they are capable of removing the pillars of our faith,
and replacing them with pillars they have devised. This will continue
to be as long as time shall last."
Notebook,
Leaflets, pp. 61-62.
The following statement from Series B, No. 7, p. 57, was penned in
context with the Alpha and Omega comments by Ellen White.
Wax
stronger "One
thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is
developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven
with a shout. We are to hold fast the first
principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from
strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been
substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our
experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more
earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the
manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning,
after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the
confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving
heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any
languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).
"The enemy will set everything in operation to uproot the confidence of the believers in the pillars of our faith in the messages of the past, which have placed us upon the elevated platform of eternal truth, and which have established and given character to the work. The Lord God of Israel has led out His people, unfolding to them truth of heavenly origin." "The truth for this time is precious, but those whose hearts have not been broken by falling on the Rock Christ Jesus, will not see and understand what is truth. They will accept that which pleases their ideas, and will begin to manufacture another foundation than that which is laid. They will flatter their own vanity and esteem, thinking that they are capable of removing the pillars of our faith, and replacing them with pillars they have devised. This will continue to be as long as time shall last." Notebook, Leaflets, pp. 61-62.
Brought Down to Hell
“Of those who boast of their light and yet
fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto
you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than
for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great
light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought
down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been
done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”--RH Aug. 1, 1893. [THE
BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}
There
isn’t much consolation to NOT BEING BABYLON, if the church is still brought
down to hell by waxing stronger in apostasy till the end, and
refusing the CONDITIONS for salvation. Have you ever heard the following
statement quoted by Walter Veith and/or Andrew Henriques? If not, why not? But
don’t hold your breath! I could tell you why not, but I have already done so in
other documents.
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Rhetoric . the anticipation of possible
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the assigning of a person, event,
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in the future as if it already existed or had occurred; prochronism.
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assumption in Epicureanism or Stoicism arising spontaneously in the mind without
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Pathology . the return of an attack of a periodic
disease or of a paroxysm before the expected time or at progressively shorter
intervals.
Ellen White’s PROLEPSIS
PROPHETIC STATEMENT prophesying the fate of the once SDA church militant
before it formed a new movement, new organization (1SM 204-205), that removed
God by removing pillar doctrines:
Here is the Spirit of Prophecy prophesied prolepsis
statement regarding the final fate of that once Noble Ship. This is a
major LYNCHPIN to my warning message. Can you explain it away? Are you a
passenger on this once NOBLE SHIP, that is about to sink to rise no more?
Always remember that Ellen White prophesied the
fate of TWO different “NOBLE SHIPS,” and one of them sinks to rise no more, to
wit:
The leaders NEVER speak of the
above NOBLE SHIP because the laity would enquire as to what it represents. It
represents unrepentant Laodicea who fell from a lukewarm, to a cold apostate
state. It represents the “church” mentioned in Ellen White’s prophetic PROLEPSIS
statement further down.
Noble Ship #2: "There is
no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the
head of the work, and He will set everything in order. Noble Ship If matters
need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to
right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship
which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G. White, Selected
Messages, vol. 2, 390.
The above statement represents
those who adhere to the TRUE MESSAGE of Philadelphia in 1844. It is the MESSAGE and those
who obey and abide by it that go through to port heaven.
NOTICE WHO SEPARATES FROM
WHOM:
"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to
prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing
work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the
midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that
dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and
people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour
of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the
sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].
The angel represented in
prophecy as
delivering this message, symbolizes a class of
faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the
teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to
the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their
connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN
therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye,
brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye
are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the
night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5].
The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch
the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim
him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were
at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their
sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with
pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful
observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility,
penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to
God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested
pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the
times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his
faithfulness to fail but they departed from him,
and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED
TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."
E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great
Controversy, 199, 200].
Note these important delineations in
the above statement:
·
Ellen
White is addressing HIS PEOPLE.
·
Ellen
White is addressing those to whom God committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of
Revelation 14.
·
Ellen
White is defining the angel represented in prophecy as symbolizing a class of
faithful men.
·
Ellen
White is saying emphatically that the final Loud Cry message is delivered NOT
BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men, because
the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused
light from heaven!
·
Ellen
White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN
BABYLON!
·
Twice
Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.
·
It is the MEMBERS of
said church that SEPARATE FROM GOD, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEPARATE FROM
THEM OR BE CORPORATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR APOSTASY.
·
The above reasons
are why there is another coming out of a faithful remnant FROM APOSTATE
JERUSALEM AS WELL AS FALLEN BABYLON.
·
Isa 37:31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house
of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:
·
Isa 37:32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a
remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts
shall do this.
Ellen White is addressing a BACKSLIDING CHURCH
whose leaders and laity alike failed and rejected light from heaven and
who refused to comply with the conditions so that God's promises are not
fulfilled to them. Consider the following commentary on the 1884 Great
Controversy that the above statement is quoted from:
“Consider for a few moments the chapter in the
first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV, published by Pacific Press
in 1884. In Chapter XXVII, ‘The Snares of Satan,’ you find that about four
pages in the latter part of the chapter were omitted from the later editions of
Great Controversy. These four pages are to be found in Testimonies to
Ministers, pages 472 to 475. The information contained in these four pages is
very valuable to Seventh-day Adventists and was very appropriately included in
the first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV, which when it was published
was like the other volumes considered to be A MESSAGE ESPECIALLY TO SEVENTH-DAY
ADVENTISTS, and to [all] Christian people sympathizing with them in beliefs and
aims.” W. C. White, Selected Messages, Appendix C, pp. 452, 453.
Begin at My Sanctuary --
"Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel
the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given
great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the
people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not
look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former
days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say:
The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit
His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who
will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to
show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These
dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an
offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together." E.
G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.
“The ruin of Jerusalem was a
symbol of the final ruin that shall overwhelm the world. The prophecies that
received a partial fulfillment in the overthrow of Jerusalem have a more direct
application to the last days. We are now standing on the threshold of great and
solemn events. A crisis is before us, such as the world has never witnessed. ” Thoughts
From the Mount of Blessing, pp. 120, 121.
“The time will soon come when
the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied,
for it will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials,
p. 1303.
The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880: “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a
solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.”
“The desolation of Jerusalem
in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels
and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be
disregarded with impunity.” Prophets and Kings,
416.
"In the very courts of
the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be
proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him
that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed against those who sit in the
gate, deciding what the people should have and what they should not have. These
take away the key of knowledge. They
refuse to enter in themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These
bear not the seal of the living God. All who now occupy responsible positions
should be solemnly and terribly afraid lest in this time they shall be found as
unfaithful stewards." E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson
Collection, p. 55.
“Christ foretold the destruction of Jerusalem, as well as
of the temple. His words were spoken in the hearing of a large
number of people; but when He was again alone, Peter, James, John, and
Andrew came to Him, saying, “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what
shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Jesus did not answer His disciples by taking up
separately the destruction of Jerusalem, and the last great day of His coming.
The city of Jerusalem represented the world, and the utterances regarding its
destruction are to be connected with the world’s more
terrible destruction. In speaking of Jerusalem, His prophetic words reached
beyond that event to the conflagration that will take place in that day when
the Lord shall rise “out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth
for their iniquity.” The description of the two events is mingled, and the
entire subject is a warning to those who shall live in the last scenes of
earth’s history....The events that took place at the overthrow of Jerusalem
will be repeated.” {ST February 20, 1901}
This is hugely important and teaching. Take special
notice of these words:
In
the very courts of the temple scenes will be enacted that few realize. (The
church is involved, not just individuals).
God's
wrath in vengeance will be executed IN THE VERY COURTS OF THE TEMPLE, against
those who sit in the gate at Washington, deciding what you and I should have
and what we should not have. God gave it to Ellen White FOR ALL OF US!
What
they ellipse is so important that she says they take away the KEY OF KNOWLEDGE.
They
refuse to enter the straight way and hinder those who do--the true Reformers.
They
will never bear the seal of God. This shows that those who do not receive the
seal of Ezekiel 9 will be slaughtered in the very courts of the Temple, and not
just some who have LEFT the Temple.
It
proves that God's vengeance will be executed at His Sanctuary, like 5T 211
says.
Egypt
-- “The church has turned back from following Christ her Leader and is steadily
retreating toward Egypt. Yet
few are alarmed or astonished at their want of spiritual power. Doubt
and even disbelief of the testimonies of the Spirit of God, is leavening our
churches everywhere. Satan would have it thus.” Testimonies, vol. 5,
217; see also ibid., 211; ibid., vol. 1, 608–609; ibid., vol. 9, 164; Gospel
Workers, 14, 15.
Walter
Veith loves typologies. Here is one for him to work on:
“The future was mercifully
veiled from the disciples. Had they at that time fully comprehend the two awful
facts-- the Redeemer's sufferings and death, and the destruction of their city
and temple--they would have been overwhelmed with horror. Christ presented
before them an outline of the prominent events to take place before the close
of time. His words were not then fully understood; but their meaning was to be
unfolded as His people should need the instruction therein given. The prophecy which He uttered was twofold
in its meaning; while foreshadowing the destruction of Jerusalem, it prefigured also the terrors
of the last great day.” The Great
Controversy, p. 25.
And where do those terrors
BEGIN? Ezekiel 9:6 and Testimonies,
Vol. 5, p. 211. Why is it that if a new movement that has removed God (1SM
204-5), is the ship that goes through to port heaven? And if all the bad leave
FOR ANY REASON, why does Ezekiel 9 BEGIN AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY?
"The
Bible for Our Time.--Never are we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy
and our salvation. Each of the ancient prophets spoke less for their own time
than for ours, so that their prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these
things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our
admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto
themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported
unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost
sent down from heaven which things the angels desire to look into' (1 Peter
1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 3, p. 338.
Prophets Wrote for Their Own and Our
Day.—“The last books of the Old Testament show us workers taken from the
laborers in the field. Others were men of high ability and extensive learning,
but the Lord gave them visions and messages. These men of the Old Testament
spoke of things transpiring in their day, and Daniel, Isaiah, and Ezekiel not
only spoke of things that concerned them as present truth, but their sights
reached down to the future, and to what should occur in these last
days.”--Letter 132, 1898. {3SM 419.5, 420}
Isaiah
was one of the ancient prophets who wrote more for us than the Jews BECAUSE OF
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THEIR EXAMPLE. Do you believe the following verses from
Isaiah 37:31, 32 were written more for you than the Jews in A.D. 66-70?
Isa
37:31 And the remnant that is escaped
of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit
upward:
Isa 37:32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a
remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts
shall do this.
There is ONE MORE GOING OUT
friend, notwithstanding Walter Veith’s demonic advice
to glue yourself to a pew of your nearest SDA new movement Synagogue of Satan,
so you will be slaughtered in the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. That
is what a Jesuit/Mason would advise you to do.
~rwb