Walter
Veith’s Response to Apostasy—“Just Sit There!”
"Mark this point with care: Those who receive
the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost,
represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those 'that sigh and that cry for
all the abominations that be done in the church.' Testimonies, vol. 3, pp.
266-267.
Isaiah 58 Our Work
“This
is our work. The light that we have upon the third angel’s message is the true
light. The mark of the beast is exactly what it has been proclaimed to be. Not
all in regard to this matter is yet understood, and will not be understood
until the unrolling of the scroll; but a most solemn work is to be accomplished
in our world. The Lord’s command to His
servants is, “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show
My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” Isaiah 58:1. A message that
will arouse the churches is to be proclaimed. Every effort is to be made to
give the light, not only to our people, but to the world. I have been
instructed that the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation should be printed
in small books, with the necessary explanations, and should be sent all over
the world. Our own people need to have the light placed before them in clearer
lines.” {CH 520.3}
In Walter Veith’s
video (link below) at juncture 1:02.30, Walter is asked what we should do about
all the apostasy in the church? He says just sit in the pew and read your Bible
for the bad will be shaken out. He expresses in the video how much he hates
deception and how that is the motive for doing what he does. But there is a huge
problem here: If he hates deception in the world so much that he has to spend
all his ministry time warning of that deception, why does he advocate that we
just sit and stay, and do nothing about the deceptions in the church?
The problem goes much further in contradicting the
admonitions of God in the Bible and Ellen G. White. This document provides some
of the instruction of God and the Spirit of Prophecy when there is apostasy in
the church. Veith’s instruction to just sit there in
the pew and read your Bible, IS NOT according to the Word of God. Veith’s counsel that the bad will be shaken out of the SDA
church militant rather than Zion, the 144,000 church triumphant, is a major
error that will result in many Adventists just sitting in the pews when Ezekiel
9 is literally fulfilled beginning at HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, 5T 211.
While viewing Veith’s video,
ask yourself these questions:
·
When asked about a correct
response to the apostasy in/of the church, Veith
responded: “JUST SIT THERE!”
STAY IN THE CHURCH NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES! Is that what
Jesus did? Is that what the disciples did? Is that what Paul and the prophets
did? Is that what SDA reformers did in 1844? Is that what reformers did in the
Reformation?
·
If the bad are shaken out of the
SDA church militant (wheat and tare co-ed church), why would Ezekiel 9
destruction begin there?
·
Veith says to
stay with the church NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES! Ellen White spoke of the
possibility of ANOTHER COMING OUT.
·
Walter Veith
says the church will not fail. Ellen White prophesied that it would refuse the
CONDITIONS so that God’s promises would not be fulfilled to the church.
·
The Bible and Ellen White say
that the tares are shaken out of Zion by Zion, the THIRD ANGEL, FAITHFUL MEN,
the 144,000. Zion is the church triumphant. The bride gives the Loud Cry that
awakens all ten virgins. Christ’s Object
Lessons, p. 405.
·
God says to cry aloud and shown
His people their sins, Isa. 58:1. Ellen White says this is our work. Walter Veith’s counsel directly contradicts God’s Word.
·
Ezekiel 3 says that if we don’t
warn our brother, his blood will be on our backs. Ellen White said that we all
have the same responsibility as Ezekiel within our sphere. Walter Veith’s counsel contradicts both the Bible and Ellen G. White.
·
Ellen White says let there be war
rather than compromise with error. GC p. 45.
·
Walter Veith says that the church
militant has all the true doctrines. That is not true, for the Trinity Doctrine
is as antiChrist as any doctrine gets for it voids the Sanctuary and the
Atonement just as the Alpha heresy did. Without the Sanctuary and Atonement
sacrifice we have no human nature of Christ as an example for us. Ellen White
said the human nature of Christ means everything to us.
·
Walter Veith counsel denies
corporate responsibility for the apostasy of the church and in the church. The
principle of corporate responsibility is taught by Scripture and Ellen G.
White.
·
Walter Veith
cites the example of Elijah and the 7,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal,
out of context, because Israel still had 490 years of probation ahead (Dan. 9),
which ended in A.D. 34. It is in A.D. 34 that the TYPE begins that Veith should have cited: The disciples formed home churches
and gathered out the faithful from the apostate Jewish church.
·
Walter Veith
implies we need no more prophets. Ellen White said there would be more as does
the Bible.
·
Walter Veith does not sigh and
cry aloud (Isaiah 58:1) for all the abominations. He says JUST SIT THERE IN THE
PEW!
·
Walter Veith says Laodicea’s
candlestick is not removed, but rather the bad are spewed out. Ellen White gave
CONDITIONS under which the candlestick WOULD BE REMOVED:
“But O, sad picture! those who do not submit to the influence of the Holy
Spirit soon lose the blessings received when they acknowledged the truth as
from Heaven. They fall into a cold, spiritless formality; they lose their
interest in perishing souls: they have “left their first love.” And Christ says
unto them, “Remember therefore from whence
thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto
thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou
repent.” He will take his Holy Spirit
from the church, and give it to others who will appreciate it.
There is no greater evidence that
those who have received great light do not appreciate
that light, than is given by their refusal to let their light shine
upon those who are in darkness, and devoting their time and energies
in celebrating forms and ceremonies. Thoughts of the inner work, the necessary purity of heart, are not
entertained. The absence of harmony with God becomes apparent. The light grows dim, goes out;
the candlestick has been removed. There is much exercising of man-made authority by those to whom God has not
given his wisdom because they did not feel the need of the wisdom from above. This
wisdom, “first pure, then peaceable, gentle, easy to be entreated, full of
mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy,” is contrary
to their disposition. They have not the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit,
with which the believer in Jesus should be adorned. They do not represent the
meek and lowly Carpenter of Nazareth. The set aside as of little value that
which God has said “is of great price.” {RH July 16, 1895, Art. A, par. 12}
Doug Batchelor’s
counsel is similar to Veith’s and all the other
leaders in the church.
Walter Veith Questions and Answers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBy1oD52aV8
Dealing With Apostasy 1 Why Walter Veith and Doug Batchelor are Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l4MmJFzhJQ
Dealing With Apostasy 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW50s1ZdAcc
Dealing With Apostasy 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5iBlJ3e61w
The third video in Dealing With
Apostasy, denies corporate responsibility by saying you don’t have to leave a
fallen church, when the reason we left the other fallen churches in 1844, is
because of corporate responsibility along with the fact that THORNS (OPEN SIN
APOSTASY) choke the wheat and make it impossible to mature.
"Thorns
sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see
Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal.
5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate
position of being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it
withers and eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a
moral transformation [E.G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, p.
50] To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they
fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process
known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are
replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." Seventh-day
Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.
This
(above) is precisely what New Movement Seventh-day Adventists (Selected
Messages, vol. 1, 204-205), teaches—that
one can be saved in his/her sins, and that justification is the sum and
substance of religion.
“The Lord will not write as wise
those who cannot distinguish between a tree that bears thorn-berries and a tree
that bears olives.” {EGW, RH, September 7, 1897 par. 15}
The wheat can mature amongst
tares (insincere believers whose motives we would have to judge in order to
uproot them. COL, pp. 70-72), but open sinning apostates CHOKE AND KILL THE
WHEAT before it can mature.
Ellen White says that it is
IMPOSSIBLE to unite with the corrupt and remain pure. Walter Veith says it is
possible to be pure while united to corrupt apostates.
"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you
to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians
6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that
if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.
Walter Veith says that the
church that the church militant is the apple of God’s eye. Scripture makes it
clear that the apple of God’s eye is ZION, the church triumphant. God’s Word
says that Zion is the apple of His eye:
Zec
2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest
with the daughter of Babylon.
Zec 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the
glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth
you toucheth the apple of his eye.
Heb
12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an
innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of
just men made perfect,
Isa
60:14 The sons also of them that
afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee
shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of
Israel.
Walter Veith says that the bad
will be shaken out of the SDA church militant (wheat and tare) church and that
it will go through. Ellen White prophesied the final fall of the SDA church
militant saying it would fail to meet the CONDITIONS of God. That is the same
church that is destroyed by a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.
Ellen White said PILLAR
DOCTRINES would be removed. (1SM 205). Veith says that they are all there in
the church. Ellen White said that only the presence of God can constitute a
church. (UL 315). She said that the omega new movement, new organization, would
REMOVE GOD. The Trinity Doctrine removes the Sanctuary and the Atonement. THAT
REMOVES GOD.
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4.
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assumption in Epicureanism or Stoicism arising spontaneously in the mind
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disease or of a paroxysm before the expected time or at progressively shorter
intervals.
PROLEPSIS PROPHETIC STATEMENT:
Here is the Spirit of Prophecy prophesied prolepsis
statement regarding the final fate of that once Noble Ship. This is a major
LYNCHPIN to my warning message. Can you explain it away? Are you a passenger on
this once NOBLE SHIP, that is about to s? NOTICE WHO
SEPARATES FROM WHOM:
"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning
to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing
work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the
midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that
dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and
people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour
of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the
sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].
The angel represented in
prophecy as
delivering this message, symbolizes a class of
faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the
teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to
the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their
connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE
NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in
darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children
of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness'
[1 Thess. 5:4, 5].
The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch
the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim
him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were
at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their
sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with
pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful
observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility,
penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to
God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested
pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the
times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were
NOT FULFILLED to them." E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol.
4, pp. 199-200 [The
1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].
Note these important delineations in
the above statement:
·
Ellen
White is addressing HIS PEOPLE.
·
Ellen
White is addressing those to whom God committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of
Revelation 14.
·
Ellen
White is defining the angel represented in prophecy as symbolizing a class of
faithful men.
·
Ellen
White is saying emphatically that the final Loud Cry message is delivered NOT
BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men, because
the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused
light from heaven!
·
Ellen
White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN
BABYLON!
·
Twice
Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.
·
It is the MEMBERS of
said church that SEPARATE FROM GOD, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEPARATE FROM
THEM OR BE CORPORATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR APOSTASY.
·
The above reasons
are why there is another coming out of a faithful remnant FROM APOSTATE
JERUSALEM AS WELL AS FALLEN BABYLON.
·
Isa 37:31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house
of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:
·
Isa 37:32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a
remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts
shall do this.
Ellen White is addressing a BACKSLIDING CHURCH
whose leaders and laity alike failed and rejected light from heaven and
who refused to comply with the conditions so that God's promises are not
fulfilled to them. Consider the following commentary on the 1884 Great
Controversy that the above statement is quoted from:
“Consider for a few moments the chapter in the
first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV, published by Pacific
Press in 1884. In Chapter XXVII, ‘The Snares of Satan,’ you find that about
four pages in the latter part of the chapter were omitted from the later
editions of Great Controversy. These four pages are to be found in
Testimonies to Ministers, pages 472 to 475. The information contained in these
four pages is very valuable to Seventh-day Adventists and was very
appropriately included in the first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV,
which when it was published was like the other volumes considered to be A
MESSAGE ESPECIALLY TO SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS, and to [all] Christian people
sympathizing with them in beliefs and aims.” W. C. White, Selected Messages,
Appendix C, pp. 452, 453.
The Human Nature of
Christ
SDA leaders sold out to the Evangelicals in the mid
1950-s on the issue of the human nature of Christ, which Ellen White said means
everything to us. When asked a question about this issues from a member of his
audience, Veith begged off answering this question
which is very easy to address. The simple answer as to whether or not Jesus had
the nature of Adam before or after the fall, is that WHATEVER NATURE HE TOOK,
we are invited to partake of His DIVINE NATURE in the born again experience.
THAT LEVELS THE FIELD! That way JESUS HAD NO ADVANTAGE! But SDA leaders write
book after book and article after article as to why we cannot overcome as Jesus
did because we have propensities to sin He did not have.
Two Noble Ships
Walter Veith and most
professing Adventists are ignorant of the fact that Ellen White mentioned TWO
NOBLE SHIPS. They misapply the one that goes through, to the church militant
which sinks to rise no more:
Noble Ship #1: "I lately read of a NOBLE SHIP that was
plowing its way across the sea, when at midnight, with a terrific crash, it
struck upon a rock; the passengers were awakened only to see with horror their
hopeless condition, and
with the ship they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM [VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken
the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a moment's warning launched
into eternity." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 128.
The new movement, new organization SDA “church” has
a man at the helm because God has been removed per the prophesying of Ellen
White. 1SM 204-205.
Noble Ship #2: "There is no need to doubt, to
be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and
He will set everything in order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the
work, God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith
that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G.
White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 390.
If God works to “right every wrong” in a manner
that permits the church militant to shake out all its errant, why does Ezekiel
9 begin there? (5T 211). Why does Isaiah 37:31, 32 say that a remnant goes out
of Jerusalem (the daughter of Zion). Why does Ellen White prophesy that the
church militant would fail to meet the CONDITIONS so that His promises are not
fulfilled to that church?
The AntiChrist
Trinity Doctrine
Dr. George Knight, Andrews University Seminary
Theology Professor made the following statement in Ministry, the official
Seventh-day Adventist journal for ministers: "Most of the founders of
Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to
subscribe to the denomination's Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most
would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of
the trinity." - Ministry, October 1993, p. 10.
“Some will
tend to resist this doctrine (the trinity) because it is NOT FOUND expressly
stated in the scriptures.” –{Adventist Review Aug 20 1993 P-8} "ONLY by
FAITH can we accept the existence of the Trinity." Adventist Review,
Vol. 158, No. 31, p. 4.
"Likewise, the Trinitarian understanding of
God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early
Adventists. Even today a few do not subscribe to it.” (Adventist Review,
January 6, 1994, page 10, 11)
James White on the Trinity doctrine: "As
fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath
other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such
as sprinkling for baptism, the trinity, the consciousness of the dead and
eternal life in misery. The mass who have held these fundamental errors, have
doubtless done it ignorantly but can it be supposed that the church of Christ
will carry along with her these errors till the judgment scenes burst upon the
world? We think not." (James White, September 12, 1854, Review &
Herald, Vol. 6, No. 5, page 36, par. 8)
Citing Elijah, Moses and Daniel OUT
OF CONTEXT as to Time and Circumstance
Ever since Ellen White’s death, SDA leaders have
been misapplying her statements errantly in an effort to get folk to stay no
matter what the church does.
“Christ
was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation,
who rejected the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they
taught for doctrines the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and
hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full
of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the
apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and
ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They
simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us
as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people
as if it were a curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their
idolatry. {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}
When a corporate church engages
apostasy and will not put it away and out of the camp, the faithful must leave
or be corporately responsible. This is the reason Christ and His disciples
left. This is why Paul left. This is why Protestants left Rome. This is why
Adventists left the other churches in 1844, when they would not tolerate light.
"The plain straight
testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His
people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds
His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in
individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.
"The names of those who sin
and refuse to repent should not be retained on the church books, lest the
saints be held accountable for their evil deeds. Those who pursue a course
of transgression should be visited and labored with, and if they then refuse
to repent, they should be separated from church fellowship, in accordance with
the rules laid down in the Word of God." {11MR 208.3}
Jesus Left
"Christ
was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They
came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies.
Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply
accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review
and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
Paul left
“And he went into the synagogue,
and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the
things concerning the kingdom of God.
9But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that
way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples,
disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.” Acts 19:8, 9.
“Fearing
that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association
with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the
disciples into a distinct body.” E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p.
285, 286.
"The
recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet
they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden
with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel
witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their
families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from
Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at
last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this
would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the
abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the
Times, vol.
1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.
The Disciples Left
"The
Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the
priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed
in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.
As
the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the
days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again
and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When
the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating
themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not
tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class,
who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated
by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept
truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the
steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in
order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those
who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church
of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.
"Even
though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong
principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words.
Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he
would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God
were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses,
you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent
reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one
with them. Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch
not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you,
and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review
& Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.
Ellen
White did not leave in her day because she kept the abominations of apostasy
out of the church. But in Great Controversy, p. 25, she said what happened to
Jerusalem and the Temple in A.D. 70, was a PREFIGURE for the last days, which
BEGINS AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, 5T 211. All the faithful left the apostate
Jewish church organization beginning in A.D. 34 to A.D. 66, at which time they
fled to Pella, 3 ½ years before the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed.
Home Churches
Scripture on Home
Churches
Act
16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his
house.
Act
16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and
rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Act
16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia:
and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.
Act
18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named
Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
Rom
16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved
Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
1Cr
1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are
of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Cr
16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the
firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry
of the saints,)
1Cr
16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in
the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
Ellen
White on Home Churches
When
the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the
church, what did they do and where did they meet for worship?
Ellen
White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:
"There
is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them
where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that
the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their
ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript
Release #995, p. 5.
"Brother and
sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and
have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving
Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During
the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies
are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN
connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding
Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their
labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply
interested." Review and Herald,
September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p.
108.
My Vision on the Godhead: https://omega77.tripod.com/myvisionconclusiveproofgodhead.htm
A lot of professing Seventh-day Adventists are
going to experience Ezekiel 9 slaughter because of Walter Veith’s
and Doug Batchelor’s serious errors. And all SDA
leaders cite similar cherished errors in excusing the apostasy in and of the
church. If anyone has any questions concerning this document, I would be glad
to respond.
"Study
the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled; yet
the time is passing and the people are sleep. They refuse to humble their
souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the
people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who
refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time
is short. God is calling; will you hear?" Letter 106, 1909.
Ellen White and Scripture on More Prophets
Most
professing Seventh-day Adventists believe there are to be no more prophets
after Ellen White. That is not true according to Mrs. White and the Bible.
https://omega77.tripod.com/dreamdreamsvisions.htm
"It
would be poor policy to support from the treasury of God those who really mar
and injure His work, and who are constantly lowering the standard of
Christianity" (Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 553).
All
who support those who are teaching error to God’s people, He holds corporately
responsible for the apostasy and all the abominations for which Ezekiel 9 will
be the final result. This is far more serious than most Adventists discern. God
says His people perish for a lack of knowledge, and to a large degree it is the
leaders who are responsible for this condition existing in the church..
"In the very courts of the
temple, scenes
will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that
He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed
against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people should have and
what they should not have. These take away the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in themselves,
and those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not the seal of the living
God. All who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly
afraid lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards." E.G.
White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55.
The Key of Knowledge
Luk 11:52
Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Gal
5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither
circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision;
but faith which worketh by love.
“The gold tried in the fire is faith that
works by love.” Christ’s Object Lessons, 158.
“It is contrition and faith and
love that enable the soul to receive wisdom from heaven. Faith working by love is the key of knowledge, and everyone
that loveth "knoweth God." 1 John 4:7. Desire of Ages, 139.
The message to Laodicea to buy
gold tried in the fire—works based on love for Christ, and done by His
indwelling power (grace for obedienc) by His Holy
Spirit, has been rejected by the leadership of the professing Seventh-day
Adventist church in favor of the false gospel taught by the other fallen
churches – only believe. This is why the church is spewed out. But what of some
members of the church who don’t believe that way? They are corporately
responsible for those who do. That is why one must leave any church that is in
apostasy.
Relationship Includes Obedience
The church is full of false
teaching regarding a relationship with Christ; that there is no need of
obedience, just a relationship. There is no relationship without obedience.
Romans 1:5. Grace (the Holy Spirit) is given for obedience. The gift of the
Divine Nature of Christ (His Holy Spirit) is given that we may obey and live.
Obedience is the proof of a relationship with Christ. He gives the test: If you
love me you will keep my commandments. How do you know you love the brethren?
Keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth
them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my
Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jhn
15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
2Jo 1:6 And
this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment,
That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
1Jo 1:6 If
we say that we have fellowship
[RELATIONSHIP] with
him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 5:2 By
this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his
commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For
this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments
are not grievous.
1Jo 5:4 For
whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and
this is the victory that overcometh the world, even
our faith.
1Jo 2:3 And
hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He
that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the
truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5 But
whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know
we that we are in him.
1Jo
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he
walked.
~rwb