When
and When Not to Pray For Someone or the Church in General
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Dear Reader, I received the following response
from an SDA I have long conversed with but who still does not understand when
and when not to pray for God’s enemies.
This person has been just as rejecting of my warning message as Karl
Kime has been. He falls into the same
category, and defends the SDA church no matter what it does. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray
for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (Mat 5:44) Ron response: Karl Kim heard my warning message over a
long period of time. He not only
rejected that, but he has rejected the Sanctuary doctrine of the SDA church,
the prime pillar doctrine of Seventh-day Adventism. Has Karl Kime committed unpardonable
sin? Read the following to find God’s
instructional answer to this all important question. We are to pray for our enemies, but
we are not to pray for God's enemies when He instructs us not to, Jeremiah
11:9-15. Those who forsake the truth and return to the iniquities of
their forefathers are not to be prayed for. We can pray for them, But
God said He will not hear such prayers. Those with whom the Spirit of
God is working with, will know when the SDA church formed a conspiracy
(confederacy) with Babylon, and returned to the iniquities of their
forefathers, the Trinity Doctrine, which Roman Catholicism claims as her
"central doctrine," and a false gospel of forensic justification
ONLY as being meritorious toward salvation. That negates the
meritorious works of the Holy Spirit as being meritorious and as being the
basis of our salvation also. In fact, Ellen White says that the work of
the Holy Spirit is the "greatest good, crowning gift that heaven
bestows." And some on this forum are teaching that this greatest,
crowning gift is not meritorious toward our salvation, when it is the
greatest free gift of grace even before the cross. When men draw back that far from
the truth, AFTER KNOWING THE TRUTH, that is God's
line in the sand. We can pray for
individual in the church who are not aware of the
gross, strictly forbidden acts of apostasy it has committed, but not the
church in general. There are at least two prime Scriptural proofs of
this serious fact: Jeremiah 11:9-15, and the following verse: Hbr 10:26 For if we sin
willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there
remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Then there is the following vision
of the Spirit of Prophecy: "While praying at the
family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and
higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in
the world, but could not find them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and
look a little higher.' At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow
path cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were
traveling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a
bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel
told me was the Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path, and gave
light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes
fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were
safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way of,
and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them
by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light
which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly
denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them
out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect
darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of
Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was
just as impossible
for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all
the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along
the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters,
which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming.... By this time the 144,000 were all
sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New
Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name." E.G. White,
Word to the Little Flock, p. 14. Here we find that all who heard the
truth in 1844, but rejected it or later rejected it, committed unpardonable
sin making it IMPOSSIBLE to get on the path again. How do SDA's get off
today, by violating the Midnight Cry and the Second Angel's Message, by conspiring
and confederating with Babylon, and adopting Rome's Trinity doctrine and
teaching a false Calvinistic gospel of forensic justification ONLY? It has been stated on this forum by
a Catholic and by SDA's that the church is God's fortress NO MATTER WHAT IT
DOES. The Jews thought the same thing, and to this day they do not
believe that they committed unpardonable sin at the stoning of Stephen.
They are still waiting for their Messiah. All members of all formally
organized churches tend to feel that God will sanction their church no matter
what it does. Notice this post from Brandon Ogden, an SDA turned
Catholic, in which he says that God will even sanction a church that
sacrifices its children to Moloch. SDA's, please don't gasp in horror at
Brandon's statement, because your actions betray your same similar beliefs
about your own church. Your church has sacrificed men, maidens and
little children to Babylon, Testimonies,
Vol. 5, 211, and Ezekiel 9. Yet you believe that God sanctions your
church. Ron's response to Brandon: Brandon, Were you right on the sacrificing to Moloch and the notion that God will sanction a church no matter what it does just because they were ONCE chosen, that is ONE of the more obscene, perverted, unreal, blasphemic logic I have encountered. The fate of the Jews, His first church, circa A.D. 70, totally slays your conclusion. They sacrificed children to Moloch. They paid the price! Only a remnant escaped. They will be the recipients of the promises that you allude to. Only a remnant escaping from your church will be like recipients. Sadly, if Ellen White and Scripture are correct, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you and Marsha to escape after rejecting truth. Ellen White's following statement
gives the truth concerning any church militant that commits apostasy after
knowing the truth: Promises to Jews conditional
"The Jews had deceived themselves by misinterpreting the words of the
Lord through his prophets, of his eternal favor to his people Israel. 'Thus saith the Lord, which giveth
the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars
for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar the
Lord of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith
the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before
me forever. Thus saith the Lord: If heaven above can be measured, and the
foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the
seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.' Jer. 31:35-37. These words the Jews applied to
themselves. And because God had shown them so great favor and mercy, they
flattered themselves that, notwithstanding their sins and iniquities, he
would still retain them as his favored people, and shower especial blessings
upon them. They misapplied the words of Jeremiah and depended for their
salvation upon being called the [chosen] children of Abraham. If they had
indeed been worthy of the name of Abraham's children, they would have
followed the righteous example of their father Abraham, and would have done
the works of Abraham. This has been the danger of the people of God in all
ages and especially is this the danger of those living
near the close of time. . . . God would in no wise excuse sin in
a people who had been enlightened, even if he had, in their days of
faithfulness and purity, loved them, and given them especial promises. These
promises and blessings were always upon condition of obedience upon their
part. The Lord pronounced, by the mouth of Moses, blessings upon the
obedient, and curses upon the disobedient." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 1, 123. "The Lord Jesus will
always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected
Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it
unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every
branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord,
whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the
Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important
responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every
wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their
borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless
they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach. God is not 'worshipped with men's
hands, as tough he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The
Upward Look,
131. "We must as a people
arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and
unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger
of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become
corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and
hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure
the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript
Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. "If we turn from the testimony
of God's word, and accept false doctrines [Calvinism] because our fathers
taught them, we fall under the condemnation pronounced upon Babylon we are
drinking of the wine of her abominations." E. G White, The 1884 Great
Controversy entitled Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, 347, not to be confused with
Testimonies, Vol. 4. The four volume Spirit of Prophecy series,
can still be special ordered through any Adventist Book Store. "It is now the duty of God's
commandment--keeping people to watch and pray, to search the Scriptures
diligently, to hide the Word of God in the heart, lest they sin against Him
in idolatrous thoughts and debasing practices, and the church of God become
demoralized like the fallen churches whom prophecy represents as being filled
with every unclean and hateful bird." E. G. White, Review
and Herald, May
17, 1887. "In the balances of the
sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be
judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. . . .I saw our
Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping
them of, He laid bare he defilement beneath. Then He said to me: 'Can you not
see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of
character? How is the faithful city become an
harlot?" E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 8, pp. 247-250. God bless the understand of those
who care about pure truth, Ron |