William
Fagal Denied Ellen White Called the Church a
Harlot
in 8T 250
Isa 1:21 How is the faithful
city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it;
but now murderers.
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What reasonable person would deny that God
called apostate Israel a harlot in Isaiah? Yet the late William Fagal of the
White Estate, denied that Ellen White called the SDA church a harlot when she
quoted the same verse! Actually, it was God who called the SDA church a harlot
four times via Ellen G. White. Yet very foolish virgin SDA’s are ready to deny
the clear and pointed Word of God when it applies to their church. The
following letter by William Fagal is a modern-day testament as to how far some
professing Adventists are willing to go in denying the clear and present truth.
Both Fagal and Gar fail to see the simple
truth that when Ellen White said that God did not call the church Babylon, she
was writing to two men in 1893, Stanton and Caldwell, who were THEN calling the
church Babylon. Ellen White said that the church was keeping the commandments
of God and heeding the Laodicean message at that time. So of course God had
never given a message UP TO AND INCLUDING THAT TIME that the church was Babylon
or any part of it.
However, Ellen White had given a statement
long before 1893 that the church was worse than Babylon. It would not be fair
to call an entity Babylon when it was actually worse than Babylon:
"God's professed people are selfish and
self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the
heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better
way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 440-441.
The second volume of the Testimonies was written in
1870. See the flyleaf of that volume which gives the dates for the various
testimonies in that book, as do all the volumes of the Testimonies. So in 1870,
Ellen White said the church was worse than heathens and graven image
worshippers. That would be Babylon.
SDA leaders have misinterpreted and
misrepresented Ellen White’s statements on Babylon since her death. They
misconstrue them to mean that the church could NEVER become any part of
Babylon, and if she made ONE STATEMENT that the church could become a part of
Babylon, they are not telling the truth. And that is exactly the case, for
Ellen White said in a number of statements that the church could become the
cage of every unclean and hateful bird, which is language God’s uses in Revelation
18 to define Babylon. Just go to the White Estate and type in the words “cage
of every unclean and hateful bird, and see how may references you get. Here is
the address: http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates$fn=default.htm$vid=default
There are 53 items under that word search. I
have listed the first 20 of them at the bottom of this document.
I truly would not be surprised if apostate SDA
leaders tried to tell us the sun was the moon and the moon was the sun, for God
said they will call the night day and the day night, for God said they will
call evil good and good evil. Were I Gar, I would be ashamed to be found
agreeing with the dumb-dogs of Isaiah 56:10-12, for that makes him just as
dumb. Almost incredulously, this is what true reformers are having to deal with
at this end-time.
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good,
and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put
bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gar
To: Adventist-fm ; SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject:
[Adventist-fm] Is God calling the Adventist church a harlot in 8T 250
Subject: Is God calling the Adventist
church a harlot in 8T 250
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:20:30 -0400
From: EGWMAIL <mail@...>
To: Gar <orion@...>
Dear Gar_,
Thank you for contacting the Ellen G. White Estate. I don't see that in
8T 250 God is calling the Seventh-day Adventist church a harlot. That
would be the equivalent of calling it Babylon, wouldn't it? And Mrs.
White explicitly rejected this designation in reference to the
Seventh-day Adventist church. She wrote,
God has a church, a chosen people; and could all see
as I have seen
how closely Christ identifies Himself with His people, no such message
would be heard as the one that denounces the church as Babylon.
[Testimonies to Ministers, p. 20]
It will be found that those who bear false messages
will not have a
high sense of honor and integrity. They will deceive the people, and mix
up with their error the Testimonies of Sister White, and use her name to
give influence to their work. They make such selections from the
Testimonies as they think they can twist to support their positions, and
place them in a setting of falsehood, so that their error may have
weight and be accepted by the people. They misinterpret and misapply
that which God has given to the church to warn, counsel, reprove,
comfort, and encourage those who shall make up the remnant people of
God. Those who receive the Testimonies as the message of God will be
helped and blessed thereby; but those who take them in parts, simply to
support some theory or idea of their own, to vindicate themselves in a
course of error, will not be blessed and benefited by what they teach.
To claim that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, is to make
the same claim as does Satan, who is an accuser of the brethren, who
accuses them before God night and day. By this misusing of the
Testimonies, souls are placed in perplexity, because they cannot
understand the relation of the
43
Testimonies to such a position as is taken by those in error; for God
intended that the Testimonies should always have a setting in the
framework of truth. {TM 42.1}
Those who advocate error will say, "The Lord
saith," "when the Lord
hath not spoken." They testify to falsehood, and not to truth. If those
who have been proclaiming the message that the church is Babylon had
used the money expended in publishing and circulating this error, in
building up, instead of tearing down, they would have made it evident
that they were the people whom God is leading. {TM 43.1}
There is but one church in the world who are at the
present time
standing in the breach, and making up the hedge, building up the old
waste places; and for any man to call the attention of the world and
other churches to this church, denouncing her as Babylon, is to do a
work in harmony with him who is the accuser of the brethren. [TM 50.2]
"My brother, if you are teaching that the
Seventh-day Adventist
Church is Babylon, you are wrong, God has not given you any such message
to bear." [TM 59.2]
In the passage you asked about, I think Mrs. White is giving the church
stern warnings, as Scripture itself does, and she is pointing out where
the wrong path leads. But she is not making the application you
suggested. If you read the whole chapter, including the paragraph that
follows the one in question, I think this becomes clearer.
Something else that will help is if you review the underlying concern of
Volume 8. There is a good article about this on pp. 5-8 at the
beginning of the volume. It is called "The Times of Volume
Eight."
This will help to make clearer to you the nature of the primary evils
Mrs. White was addressing in the book. While she surely could branch
out beyond those in the volume's pages, I believe that these concerns
lay in the background of the counsel that she gave there.
I hope this helps. Thank you for writing, and God bless!
William Fagal
Associate Director
Ellen G. White Estate
12501 Old Columbia Pike
Silver Spring, MD 20904-6600 U.S.A.
Phone: 301 680-6550
FAX: 301 680-6559
http://www.WhiteEstate.org
Gar
Ron responds: Here are some of Ellen White “cage
of every unclean and hateful bird” references to Revealtion
18:2, which she applied to the church.
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