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  There Specific Instruction in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy That There
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  Home PageDear Reader, By way of a challenge to my detractors, I
  know of a wealthy person who is willing to give a large sum of money to
  anyone who can successfully disprove the assertions of this document.  Please submit your rebuttals and I will
  forward them to my acquaintance.  So
  far, he admits that any rebuttal he has read of late is not sufficient to
  disprove my message.  I will give you
  his answer(s) and tell you why he accepts or rejects your rebuttal, and then
  you will be put in contact with the man. The person I speak of has a wife who loves
  the church more than God, and he would be all too happy to reward you for
  relieving his guilt for not wanting to accept my message for fear of losing
  his wife and children.  I think he
  would accept it were it not for his wife who has threatened to leave him if
  he embraces my message.  She has not
  studied it.  She is just blindly
  convinced by church leaders that they are right.  If
  you are successful, he is an honest man and he will reward you greatly and
  will also give a large sum to the professing  I am sure SDA leaders would be all too
  happy to kick-in a goodly reward because my message has taken money away from
  the coffers of the apostate New Movement SDA church. If you personally, or if you know of any
  detractors of my warning message that you consider able and ready
  individuals, please give them this challenge and/or take it yourself. Good luck, and I
  do not believe in luck.  That is why I
  say good luck, because neither do I believe that there is any such evidence
  that will disprove my warning message. I received the following questions from
  Walt.  The Holy Spirit led me to the
  fact that my answers would be most instructive and of benefit to many who
  need an outline form answering the questions in the heading above.  So I will publish to you my answers to Walt
  on the Internet.  First, Walt’s
  questions to me and then my response. *** Original Message From:
  "WS" <sd4a@yahoo.ie To: "Sda
  Issues" <sdaissues@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SDAIssues]
  Re: Amended Copy Clark Floyd's Article Date: Thursday, February 09,
  2006 8:08 AM Hi Ron   I might have a question or two to ask,
  for clarification sake.  That is: not
  for aggression or argument, but to get a “handle” on what you are saying and
  to just know and declare the whole truth – to leave something behind for all
  to consider. _______________   That the wheat cannot "fully"
  mature among open sinners -- is true, but does such mean that they cannot
  grow, even though the growth be "retarded" (slow)?   And if the above be true, is there not then
  specified a separation that must at some time, take place?  Does EGW say anything on the matter?  Is this what she speaks of with the mention
  of the church being purified?   Thus being determined (that a separation
  is needed), is it to take place by the wheat being moved (transplanted), or
  are the tares plucked out?     What does the "Scriptural"
  record foretell?   Let me know what you think on these specific question, and perhaps I’ll be able to share
  a thing or two.   Take Care   Walt Ron’s response: In response to your question Walt:  “That the wheat cannot "fully"
  mature among open sinners -- is true, but does such mean that they cannot
  grow, even though the growth be "retarded" (slow)?” The Bible says that the thorns choke the
  Word and make it unfruitful.  The
  thorns achieve that by teaching another false gospel.  Were it possible to dwell with such
  thorns, we would never had to come out of  Mat 13:22 He also that received seed
  among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and
  the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh
  unfruitful.  Mar 4:19 And the cares of this world, and
  the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. "The thorns of sin will grow in any soil they need no
  cultivation but grace must be carefully cultivated. The briers and thorns are
  always ready to spring up, and the work of purification must advance
  continually.... The thorns that have been cut off but not uprooted grow space,
  until the soul [and or the church] is overspread with them." E. G.
  White,  Christ's Object Lessons, 50.   Quiescent, insincere believer tares, are
  not to be uprooted until the close of probationary time, Christ's Object
  Lessons, 72. Open sinning thorns are to be uprooted, or the church will be
  overspread with them and they will choke out and kill the wheat, making it
  impossible for the wheat to mature. This is why the wheat must be separated
  from a church that is controlled by open sinning, apostate thorns.   "Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open
  sin must be separated from the church..."  Christ's Object Lessons,
  71. Where did Christ plainly teach that those who persist in open sin
  must be separated from the church? "It is impossible for you to unite with those who are
  corrupt, and still remain pure. (II
  Corinthians 6:14, 15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host
  would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become
  corrupt." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.  Will SDA leaders separate sinners who refuse to be reformed? Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the Lord's
  sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient
  men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians
  of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had
  taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked
  manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These
  words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit
  His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace
  and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice
  like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of
  Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones
  who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little
  children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. Tell me Walt, how are sinners removed from the church when the
  leaders will NEVER AGAIN show them their sins?  And you who think that the church will be
  reformed and purged of its sinners to leave it the purified SDA Church
  triumphant, how will that occur since the people rise no higher than their
  leaders?  Also, the chapter containing
  the above Ellen White statement, begins quoting
  Ezekiel 9.  Why does the slaughter of
  men, maidens and little children begin at His Sanctuary, those who have been
  privileged with great light, if that church is purged and purified of its sinners.  That
  personal opinion theory of professing Seventh-day Adventists is not according
  to the PREFIGURE we will study later in this document. That is why Christ separated Himself and His followers from the
  open sin apostasy of the Jewish organized church: "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ
  and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of
  forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed
  religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
  apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.  "The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the
  harvest and the harvest is THE END OF PROBATIONARY TIME." Christ's
  Object Lessons, p. 72. Most folk don’t know about the thorns. They know only of the
  tares. “This labor of purifying the church is a painful work, but one
  that must not be neglected, if the church would have the commendation of
  God." E. G. White, Review and Herald Articles, 
  06-07-1887, paragraph 16. "Men in responsible positions are uniting with those in the
  church and out of the church, whose counsel is misleading." Testimonies,
  vol. 8, p. 69. Valid Question—Valid Answer: 
  So why did not Ellen White leave in light of all her serious
  statements like those above?  Because,
  like  ·      Formed an
  Omega of Apostasy New Movement that has fulfilled every specification of
  Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5, thereby it has “removed God.” ·      Adopted the
  Trinity doctrine that denies the Sacrifice the Son Made at His Incarnation in
  giving His life and Soul--prior DIVINE ONLY LIFE--as a gift to us for
  regeneration into the image of God. 
  For more on how the Trinity Doctrine denigrates the Holy Spirit, see
  the following link:  https://omega77.tripod.com/godheadpurpose.htm ·      Formed
  forbidden alliances and liaisons with the fallen churches of  The bride of Christ can never KNOWINGLY be so defiled with any
  church (woman).  Christ thus marries a
  pure (bethula) virgin, the meaning of virgin in
  Isaiah 62:5, while the ten virgins are concubines. "Any connection with infidels and UNBELIEVERS which would
  identify us with them is FORBIDDEN by the word. We are to come out from them
  and be separate. in no case are we to link ourselves
  with them in their plans or work." E. G. White, 
  Fundamentals of Christian Education,  482.  "We must AS A PEOPLE arouse and cleanse the camp of  "The world must not be introduced into the church, and
  married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church
  will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every
  unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 265.   "The church cannot measure herself
  by the world nor by the opinion of men nor by what she ONCE was. Her faith
  and her position in the world as they NOW ARE must be COMPARED (JUDGED) with
  what they would have been if her course had been continually onward and
  upward. The church will be weighed in the balances of the sanctuary. If her
  moral character and spiritual state do not correspond with the benefits and
  blessings God has conferred upon her, SHE WILL BE FOUND WANTING."
  Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 83, 84. Also tell me and my wealthy friend why, if the church is purged
  and purified, that every uncouth thing will be coming into its campmeetings JUST BEFGORE PROBATION CLOSES—a little late
  for reformation then! "The things you have described as taking place in    The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a
  bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious
  methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere,
  elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the
  worship of God blended with music, than to use musical instruments to do the
  work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our campmeetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of
  this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the
  senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The
  powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival,
  and this is termed the Holy Spirit's working." E. G. White,  Selected Messages, Vol. 2, 36. The Strongest Evidences for Separation as a Response to Apostasy: 1. The response of Christ is our prime
  source of truth regarding a correct
  response to apostasy:   "Christ
  was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They
  came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies.
  Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply
  accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review
  and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.  2. God’s instruction to Jeremiah is a prime example
  to follow: 9 And
  the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of  3. God’s instruction to Isaiah in the even of ecumenical
  liaison of God’s people is critical: Associate yourselves, O ye people, and
  ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird
  yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall
  be broken in pieces. 10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God
  is with us. 11 For the LORD spake thus
  to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way
  of this people, saying, 12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this
  people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. 13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and
  let him be your dread.  4. God’s instruction to Ezekiel is most important as
  to how a separation of a remnant occurred and will occur at the end time: Ezekiel
  5 
 5. The few in number are those who escape! 
  Separate! 6.  31
  And the remnant that is escaped of the house of  7. God’s instruction through Isaiah is paramount and
  to the point: Isaiah
  4 
 8. Who was  9. Which was True Jerusalem--the home churches Jesus
  and the disciples developed, or the apostate  10. Who left who in the PREFIGURE?  The followers of Christ left the apostate
  church and formed home churches. 
  Later, 3 ½ years before Jerusalem was destroyed in A.D. 70, all the
  true Christians fled to the mountains of Pella in the land of Peraea.  Here is
  the account for your convenience and for those around the world who do not
  own or have access to the SDA Bible Commentary: “In the autumn of A.D. 66, Cestius
  next concentrated his entire force upon Jerusalem.  He arrived during the celebration of the
  Feast of Tabernacles, and although it was Sabbath, the Jews abandoned their
  religious rites and rushed out to attack Cestius’
  troops.  To the amazement of both
  Romans and Jews, they broke the Roman ranks. 
  Indeed, Josephus declares that only a flank attack by a force of
  footmen and cavalry saved Cestius’ forces.  More than 500 Roman soldiers were killed,
  whereas the Jews lost only 22 men (War
  ii. 198, 2 [519]).  At this point
  Agrippa sent an embassy to the Jews; their reaction was to attack his
  representatives, killing one and wounding the other.  Encouraged by a promise of the royalist
  party in Jerusalem to open the gates for him, Cestius
  then gathered his troops to a fresh assault, and penetrated as far as the
  north wall of the Temple.  Then an
  astounding thing happened: Cestius withdrew his
  troops, and placed himself strategically in such a
  poor position among the Judean hills that the Jews were able to attack him
  and kill more than 5,000 infantry and nearly 500 cavalry, including many
  officers, as well as to capture much materiel.   A Lull in
  the Storm.—The defeat and
  withdrawal of Cestius gave many of the conservative
  Jews a chance to flee from Jerusalem.  Some of them joined Agrippa, others sought
  quiet in country places, and still others left the country entirely.  It was at this time that the Christians
  in Jerusalem fled in accordance with the warning of Jesus recorded in Matt.
  24:15-19.  According to Eusebius,
  the 4th-century historian, the
  Christians in Jerusalem had been warned by prophets before the war began that
  they should leave the doomed city and find refuge at Pella in Peraea.  They
  now took this opportunity to make good their escape (Ecclesiastical History iii. 5, 3).” SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5,
  74, 75. Important facts: 
  Ellen White parallels the presence of Cestius’
  army on Jewish soil as being the time to leave the cities for smaller
  dwellings preparatory to having to leave for the mountains at the time of the
  National Sunday Law.  Many mistake this
  as the time to leave the apostate church. 
  That is not how it worked in the PREFIGURE.   The time of the National Sunday Law will be the last
  chance for any tares to leave the church as the following statement states.  But that is no excuse for those who know of
  the apostasy NOW.        “The days
  are fast approaching when there will be great perplexity and confusion.
  Satan, clothed in angel robes, will deceive, if possible, the very elect.
  There will be gods many and lords many. Every wind of doctrine will be
  blowing. Those who have rendered supreme homage to "science falsely so
  called" will not be the leaders then. Those who have trusted to
  intellect, genius, or talent will not then stand at the head of rank and file.
  They did not keep pace with the light. Those who have proved
  themselves unfaithful will not then be entrusted with the flock. In the
  last solemn work few great men will be engaged. They are self-sufficient,
  independent of God, and He cannot use them. The Lord has faithful servants,
  who in the shaking, testing time will be disclosed                                                                             
  81 to view. There are precious ones now hidden who
  have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have not had the light which has been
  shining in a concentrated blaze upon you. But it may be under a rough and
  uninviting exterior the pure brightness of a genuine Christian character will
  be revealed. In the day time we look toward heaven but do not see the stars.
  They are there, fixed in the firmament, but the eye cannot distinguish them.
  In the night we behold their genuine luster. {5T 80.1}      The time
  is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The mark of the
  beast will be urged upon us. Those who have step by step yielded to
  worldly demands and conformed to worldly customs will not find it a hard
  matter to yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to
  derision, insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. The contest is between
  the commandments of God and the commandments of men. In this time the gold
  will be separated from the dross in the church. True godliness will be
  clearly distinguished from the appearance and tinsel of it. Many a star
  that we have admired for its brilliancy will then go out in darkness.
  Chaff like a cloud will be borne away on the wind, even from places where we
  see only floors of rich wheat. All who assume the ornaments of the sanctuary,
  but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will appear in the shame of
  their own nakedness. {5T 81.1}      When
  trees without fruit are cut down as cumberers of the ground, when multitudes
  of false brethren are distinguished from the true, then the hidden ones
  will be revealed to view, and with hosannas range under the banner of
  Christ. Those who have been timid and self-distrustful will declare
  themselves openly for Christ and His truth. The most weak and hesitating in
  the church will be as David--willing to do and dare. The deeper the night for
  God's people, the more brilliant the stars. Satan will sorely harass the
  faithful; but, in the name of Jesus, they will come off more than conquerors.
  Then will the church of Christ appear "fair as the moon, clear as the
  sun, and terrible as an army with banners." {5T 81.2} Let’s review some very important aspects of the
  above statement: ·      There are precious ones now hidden who have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have
  not had the light which has been shining in a concentrated blaze upon you
  [SDA’s]. ·      Those who have step by step yielded to worldly
  demands and conformed to worldly customs will not find it a hard matter to
  yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to derision,
  insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. ·      In this time the
  gold will be separated from the dross in the church.  ·      When trees without fruit are cut down as cumberers
  of the ground, when multitudes of false brethren are distinguished from the
  true, then the hidden ones
  will be revealed to view, and with hosannas range under the banner of Christ. ·      In the first paragraph the precious ones now hidden who have not bowed
  the knee to Baal. And have not had the light which has been shining in a
  concentrated blaze upon you [SDA’s], are obviously the faithful in Babylon’s
  fallen churches who will heed the final call to come out. ·      In the last paragraph of 5T 80, those same HIDDEN
  ones will be revealed to view at the time of the National Sunday Law.  My important point being that the Sunday
  Law is the final time when ALL God’s faithful in all the fallen churches,
  including the SDA fallen church, will have opportunity to leave.  That is the time the final loud cry awakens
  the ten-sleeping virgins in all churches. ·      The bride, Christ’s beloved is awakened before the
  final Loud Cry, because she must be prepared to give that Loud Cry.  Who awakens the bride, the true reformers?  ·      "Characteristics
  of True Reformers.--Here are given
  the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner
  of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's
  commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in
  the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls [awakens] them,
  The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths
  to dwell in? It is God.
  Their names are registered
  [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the
  foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary,
  Vol. 4, 1151. ·      Who do they awaken? “Lingering near the
  bride's house are ten young women robed in white. Each carries a lighted lamp
  and a small flagon for oil. All are anxiously watching for the appearance of
  the bridegroom. But there is a delay [since 1844]. Hour after hour passes;
  the watchers become weary and fall asleep. At midnight the [Loud] cry is
  heard, "Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." The sleepers, suddenly
  awaking, spring to their feet. They see the procession moving on,
  bright with torches and glad with music. They hear the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride.”  E.G. White, Christ’s Object Lessons, p.
  405-6. ·      How many virgins slept? 
 Isa 62:1 For Zion's sake will I not hold my
  peace, and for Jerusalem's sake
  I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and
  the salvation thereof as a lamp [that] burneth.   Isa 62:2 And the Gentiles
  shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a
  new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.   Isa 62:3 Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD,
  and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. 
   Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall
  thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the
  LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land [New
  Jerusalem] shall be married.   Isa 62:5 For [as] a young
  man marrieth a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry
  thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoiceth over
  the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee.   Isa 62:6 I have set
  watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, [which] shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make
  mention of the LORD, keep not silence, 
   ·      What is the New Name the bride Zion gets? Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will
  I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I
  will write upon him the name of my
  God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem,
  which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. ·      Are you responsible for what you know?  Will you be judged according to what you
  know?  It is nice to be curious,
  friend, but that makes you responsible for what you have learned.  Can you know the awakening message to the
  bride and then disregard it to become one of her ten-virgin daughters?   ·      Does Ellen White further delineate between the bride
  and her daughter or “guests” at the wedding? ·      “The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the
  capital and representative of the kingdom, is called "the bride, the
  Lamb's wife." Said the angel to John: "Come hither, I will show
  thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." "He carried me away in the
  spirit," says the prophet, "and showed me that great city, the holy
  Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." Revelation 21:9, 10.
  Clearly, then, the bride represents the Holy City [is the earthly representative
  of the heavenly church of Heb. 12-22, 23], and the virgins that go out
  to meet the bridegroom are a symbol of the church. In the Revelation the
  people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper.
  Revelation 19:9. If guests, they
  cannot be represented also as the bride. Christ, as stated by the
  prophet Daniel, will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven,
  "dominion, and glory, and a kingdom;" He will receive the New Jerusalem, the capital
  of His kingdom, "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
  Daniel 7:14; Revelation 21:2. Having received the kingdom, He will come in
  His glory, as King of kings and Lord of lords, for the redemption of His
  people, who are to "sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,"
  at His table in His kingdom (Matthew 8:11; Luke 22:30), to partake of the
  marriage supper of the Lamb.” The Great Controversy, pp. 426-7. ·      "The
  people of God, symbolized by a holy
  woman and her children, were represented as greatly in the minority.
  In the last days only a remnant still existed. Of these John speaks as they
  'which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
  Christ." E. G. White, Signs of the Times,  Nov. 1, 1899, and
  Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary,  vol. 7, p. 972.  ·     
  Does
  the Bible say that the bride has sons and daughters and that she will say
  something to her daughter?
   Isaiah 62 
 ·      Verse 11
  (above) is actually another version of the Loud Cry message to the 10
  virgins. ·      Is the bride more developed character wise than her
  children? ·      Rev 14:4 These are they
  which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which
  follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were
  redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits
  unto God and to the Lamb. ·      The bride is not defiled with women (fallen church
  harlots).  She will never KNOWINGLY
  be so defiled. ·      The 144,000 are translated without seeing death. ·      Only the 144,000 go into the Temple on Mt. Zion. ·      Is there Biblical evidence for the above 2 points?  ·      Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep [protect] thee
  from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the
  world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly:
  hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy
  crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my
  God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name
  of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which
  cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
  13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit
  saith unto the churches. ·      A pillar in the Temple is a leader.
  Christ is the High Priest, and the bride is the lesser priests such as the
  earthly sanctuary had.  “By the
  decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of
  God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from
  righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to
  grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to
  clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold
  union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a
  Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the
  propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time
  has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near.” {5T
  451.1} “As the approach of the Roman armies was a sign to
  the disciples of the impending destruction of Jerusalem, so may this apostasy
  be a sign to us that the limit of God's forbearance is reached, that the
  measure of our nation's iniquity is full, and that the angel of mercy is
  about to take her flight, never to return. The people of God will then be
  plunged into those scenes of affliction and distress which prophets have described
  as the time of Jacob's trouble. The cries of the faithful, persecuted ones
  ascend to heaven. And as the blood of Abel cried from the ground, there are
  voices also crying to God from martyrs' graves, from the sepulchers of the
  sea, from mountain caverns, from convent vaults: "How long, O Lord, holy
  and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood
  on them that dwell on the earth?" {5T 451.2}   The following quote is
  gravely misunderstood and misinterpreted to mean that it is at the time of
  the National Sunday Law that we are to flee the church.  Is that what happened in the
  PREFIGURE?  No.  Here is what happened: ·      Faithful Jews, the
  disciples being the first, were “gathered out from the apostate church as the
  first act of Christ’s ministry in A.D. 27. 
 Scripture
  on Home Churches Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the
  word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.  Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set
  meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all
  his house.  Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house
  of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and
  departed.  Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain
  [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined
  hard to the synagogue.  Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house.
  Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.  1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren,
  by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among
  you.  1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits
  of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the
  saints,)  1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla
  salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. Ellen White on Home Churches When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of
  apostasy in the church, what did they do where did they meet for worship? ·      Christ’s
  followers were gathered out of the apostate Jewish church beginning in A.D.
  27 and lasting until the autumn of A.D. 66, when they fled to the mountains
  of Pella. ·      The Sunday
  Law is the time to leave the cities. This should never be confused with the
  time to leave an apostate church.  Many
  Adventists are confused on this point and some of them quite willfully so.     Home
  Churches  "There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men
  and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our
  churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this
  day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian."
  E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.    When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of
  apostasy in the church, what did they do where did they meet for worship?   "Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of
  the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers,
  who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing
  medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their
  experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG
  MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough
  training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord
  has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others
  are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905,
  Evangelism, p. 108.   The above scenario is the prescribed mode for the worship service
  of every Seventh-day Adventist church, as admonished in Testimonies, vol. 7.
  Notice:    "There are times when it is fitting for our ministers
  to give on the Sabbath, in our churches, short discourses, full
  of the life and love of Christ. But the church members are not to expect a
  sermon every Sabbath....Let the church members, during the week, act their
  part faithfully, and on the Sabbath relate their experience. The meeting will
  then be as meat in due season, bringing to all present new life and fresh
  vigor.. When God's people see the great need of
  working as Christ worked for the conversion of sinners, the testimonies borne
  by them in the Sabbath service will be filled with power. With joy they will
  tell of the precious experience they have gained in working for others."
  Testimonies, vol. 7, p. 19.    11. Did Christ and all True Christians separate and
  flee the apostate church  12. Is the PREFIGURE repeated? 13. Will it be repeated exactly
  (literally--according to the PREFIGURE)? 14. "The future was mercifully veiled from the
  disciples. Had they at that time fully comprehend the two awful facts--the
  Redeemer's sufferings and death, and the destruction of their city and
  temple--they would have been overwhelmed with horror. Christ presented before
  them an outline of the prominent events to take place before the close of
  time. His words were not then fully understood; but their meaning was to be
  unfolded as His people should need the instruction therein given. The
  prophecy which He uttered was twofold in its meaning; while foreshadowing the
  destruction of  15. If  16. Was the destruction of  17. Were there two churches represented in  18. Is Ezekiel 9 LITERALLY fulfilled again?   "Study the 9th chapter of
  Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet
  the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their
  souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with
  the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who
  refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is
  short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU
  be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided
  for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in
  Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript
  Releases Volume One, p. 260. 19. Does Ezekiel chapters 1-9 give the reason why Ezekiel 9
  occurred and will occur again? 20. What are the
  abominations of Ezekiel 9, that we are to sigh and
  cry for? 21. Will one be sealed
  if he/she does not bother to educate him/herself concerning these
  abominations? 22. Can one be a
  faithful watchman and not show God's people these sins? 23. According to Ellen
  White in Desire of Ages, p. 232, true reformers have had to separate from the
  church of their fathers in every succeeding generation since Christ. Husbands, you are to be the priest of the
  family.  Some wives may not agree with
  the true message of separation because of friendships and fellowship
  acquaintances, but you should not be molded by women who would so lead their
  families astray.  And the final church
  will be lead by women and children—women and children who would rather
  celebrate than heed the word of God. 
  And make no mistake about it, there are men who are like weak women
  and would sacrifice the truth to appease their women. You women who would fault me, will only fault God
  because He is the one who said it: Isa 3:12 [As
  for] my people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over
  them. O my people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and destroy the
  way of thy paths. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or
  brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife [spouse], or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall
  receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit
  everlasting life.   The implication is that those who so do will not
  inherit everlasting life, and the prime reason is
  that like the rich young ruler, they love something more than Christ and His
  cause in heaven and earth. Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or
  mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth
  son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.   Friends, it is too late to play church.  If you choose your spouse, children,
  friend, fellowship, the church, or ANYTHING over God and His truth, just
  don’t do any of it!  Don’t pay
  tithe!  Don’t do any of it, because you
  are not going to make it.  Some play
  church and will brag about all the books they distribute to warn the
  world.  But what will the Lord say to
  such ones?  Depart from me for I know
  you not.  For they fall in the same
  class of all who claim to do great things for the Lord, while loving
  something more than  the way, the truth
  and the life, Jesus Christ. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord,
  Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
  name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
  wonderful works?   Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never
  knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. What good reason, other than separating from sin so
  the wheat can mature, is there for separating?  "I saw the nominal church and nominal Adventists, like
  Judas, would betray us to the Catholics to obtain their influence to come
  against the truth. The saints then will be an obscure [hidden] people, little
  known to the Catholics but the churches and nominal Adventists who know of
  our faith and customs (for they hate us on account of the Sabbath, for they
  could not refute it) will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics
  as those who disregard the institutions of the people that is, that they keep
  the Sabbath and disregard Sunday.    Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a
  decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of
  the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large,
  will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the
  image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked
  before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear
  fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that
  Jesus' work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there
  is finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the
  sins of Israel upon the head of the Scape Goat.
  Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues will come
  upon the wicked, and they do not come till Jesus puts on that garment, and
  takes His place upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are
  falling, the Scape Goat is being led away. He makes
  a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that leads him.
  If he should effect his escape, Israel would lose
  their lives. I saw that it would take time to lead away the Scape Goat into the land of forgetfulness after the sins
  were put on his head. The great white cloud I saw was not the holy place, but entirely
  separate from the holy and most holy place, entirely separate from the
  sanctuary.   Then the angel repeated these words, and said, 'This is the time spoken
  of in Isaiah. He saw that there was not man, and wondered that there was no
  intercessor. He had no mediator between God and man, and these plagues could
  be withheld no longer, for Jesus had ceased to plead for Israel, and they
  were covered with the covering of the Almighty God, and they could live in
  the sight of a holy God, and those who were not covered, the plagues fell
  upon them, for they had nothing to shelter or protect them from the wrath of
  God." E.G. White, Dorchester, Maine, October 23, 1850, Spalding--Magan's Unpublished Mss. Testimonies, pp. 1, 2.  Walt, you asked: “That the wheat cannot
  "fully" mature among open sinners -- is true, but does such mean
  that they cannot grow, even though the growth be
  "retarded" (slow)?   And if the above be true, is there not
  then specified a separation that must at some time, take place?  Does EGW say anything on the matter?  Is this what she speaks of with the mention
  of the church being purified?” Ron responds:  I will here deal with the second part of
  your question as treated by Scripture specifically.  Then I will deal more with specific
  separation statements mentioned by Ellen G. White. The following texts demand
  separation when and if they are violated by any church: a.      
  Ezekiel,
  chapters 1-9, fulfilled in A.D. 70, demand another coming out of a remnant,
  for in each past historic of those chapters either a remnant was preserved or
  returned to Jerusalem, eg. the
  tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi returned to rebuild the Temple.  Expressly, Ezekiel 5:3 mentions a remnant
  being saved out of a destroyed church. Ezekiel 9 says that the church will be
  destroyed.  Naturally, some will be
  saved out of that church. b.     
  Jeremiah
  11:9-15, demands a separation in the event of any conspiracy with God’s enemies.  Verse 15 commands that God’s beloved bride
  has no place in His ONCE church (house). c.      
  Isaiah
  8:9-12 demands non-participation with any Association, counsel, girding and
  confederacy with God’s enemies.  Babylon
  is one of those enemies that He expressly called Adventists out from by
  separation via the first and second angel’s messages.  The SDA church has defied that command with
  ecumenical liaisons. d.     
  Revelation
  14:1-4 demands that the bride of Christ not be defiled with women (fallen
  churches).  The SDA church has defied
  that demand with ecumenical liaisons. e.      
  Isaiah
  37:31, 32 demands another coming out. f.       
  God’s
  line in the sand is Confederacy with those who have turned back to the errors
  of their fathers. Jeremiah 11:9, with verse 14 commanding Jeremiah (and us)
  to not even pray for such violators. g.     
  A
  call to come out and be separate from sinners is a call to separate from any
  church that harbors open sinners to wit:  h.     
  1Pe
  2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
  peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the
  praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: i.       
  Hbr
  7:26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled,
  separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;  Though Christ ministered to sinners, He did
  not join in worship and/or communion supper with them. j.        
  Tts 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might
  redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar
  people, zealous of good works.  k.     
  2Cr 6:17
  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I
  will receive you, l.       
  God separated
  Lot and His Wife from Sodom. m.   
  God separated Abraham
  from his sinful relatives. n.     
  God separated
  His people from Egypt that they might be free to keep His commandments and
  avoid the evil influence of pagans. o.     
  For further
  evidence see this document: https://omega77.tripod.com/Separate
   Here is evidence from the Spirit of
  Prophecy for separation:     A. Another coming out—   Another Coming Out: "As reformers they had come out of the
  denominational churches, but they now
  act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that
  there would not be the necessity for another coming out." Ellen G.
  White, The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, Vol. 1, p. 356-7. If Ellen White thought that the church NOW ACTED (circa 1888—see
  date of statement) similar to the part the churches SDA  reformers came out of, what would
  she think today?  She and the faithful
  hoped there would not be another coming out, but again, what would she say
  today regarding a church that is so much like the world that little difference
  is seen, BUT, the church is in liaison with Babylon’s Associations
  (Ministerial Associations), counsels, girdings and
  confederacies. B.    
  Ellen White’s statement that the destruction of
  Jerusalem in A.D. 70 was a prefigure, p. 25, The Great Controversy. C.    
  Ellen White’s statement that Ezekiel 9 would be
  literally fulfilled again. D.   
  Ellen White’s example in the Alpha of Apostasy E.    
  Ellen White’s statement that the Omega of
  Apostasy would develop and wax stronger until Jesus comes. F.     
  Ellen White’s statement that the SDA church
  will be brought down to hell. G.    
  Ellen White’s statement that the SDA church is
  repeating the History of ancient Israel. H.   
  Ellen White’s Instructor’s statement that the
  church is a harlot and it’s refusal to remedy that situation after over 100
  years. I.       
  Ellen White’s statements concerning a
  COUNTERPART TO THE JEWS.  The only
  church that could qualify as a counterpart is some other “chosen people” who
  claim to be the remnant and a commandment-keeping people while violating
  serious commands of God, just as Israel did. J.      
  Ellen White’s statement that the church would
  form a New Movement that would “remove God.” 1SM 205. K.   
  Ellen White’s statement that the church is
  worse than heathen, graven image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a
  better way. L.     
  Ellen White’s statement that if the church
  BECAME Laodicean, it would not stand in any more favor with God than the
  fallen churches of Babylon—the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. M.  
  Ellen White’s statement that if the church did not
  clean up the licentious intimacy practices it would become a sister to fallen
  Babylon.  Not only has the church not
  cleaned up those practices, but adulterating ministers are merely removed
  from one locality to another IF THEY ARE GOOD AT THEIR JOB—GOOD SALESMEN IN
  PROSELYTIZING. N.   
  Ellen White’s statement that SDA leaders would
  instruct the people to keep Sunday when the crunch comes! O.   
  The church’s violation of Ellen White’s counsel
  in general and more seriously her counsel not to marry the church to the world.  The church did that in 1930, by accepting
  the World’s Accreditation Standards, whereby it must teach the world’s
  criteria (curriculum) in all its educational facilities.  Satan himself could not construct a better
  plan to marry the church’s youth to the world!  Ellen White said that the church would
  become a cage of every unclean and hateful bird if it married itself to the
  world! P.     
  Ellen White’s statement that SDA campmeetings would bring in every uncouth thing JUST
  BEFORE PROBATION CLOSES!  No time for
  reformation of character then! Q.   
  Ellen White’s statement that SDA are EXACTLY
  repeating the history of the apostate Jews. R.    
  Ellen White’s statement that if Christ came
  today He would have to do a similar work as He did among the Jews!  What did He do then? He separated from
  them. S.     
  Ellen White’s statement that Jesus gathered out
  those who would take the gospel to the world, DA 232. T.    
  Ellen White’s statement quoting Jeremiah 11:14,
  in application to SDAs. U.   
  Ellen White’s statement that SDA leaders were
  “dumb dog watchmen (Isa. 56:10-12) who would NEVER AGAIN show the house of
  Jacob its sins.  5T 211. V.   
  Ellen White’s statement that the Laodicean
  state of the church is the foolish virgin state.  The foolish virgins are not reformed. They
  are lost. W.  Ellen
  White’s admonition in the Alpha of Apostasy, that
  Haskell take the youth as far away from the church as possible.  What would the Omega demand? X.   
  Ellen White’s statement that the Omega would
  develop and wax stronger until Jesus comes—combined with her linked Omega
  statement that the church would remove God. Y.     
  Ellen White’s UNCONDITIONAL statement that the
  leaders of the church would change leaders and know it not. Z.      
  Ellen White’s prophecy that the last message of
  the three angel’s would not be committed to the
  leaders of the church because they had failed to give it and thus betrayed
  it. 
  The 1884 Great Controversy, "I then saw the THIRD ANGEL. Said my
  accompanying angel, 'Fearful is his work. Awful is his mission. He is the
  angel that is to select the wheat from the tares, and seal, or bind, the
  wheat for the heavenly garner." E.G. White, Early Writings, 118.   "The
  angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class
  of faithful men, who obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the
  teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth.
  This message WAS NOT to be committed to the religious leaders of the
  people.  They had failed to preserve
  their connection with God, and had refused the light from Heaven; therefore
  they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: ‘But ye, brethren,
  are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.  Ye are all the children of light, and the
  children of the day; we are not of the night nor of
  darkness. The
  watchmen upon THE WALLS OF ZION should be the first to catch the tidings of
  the Saviour’s advent, the first to lift their
  voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the
  people to prepare for his coming.  But
  they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep
  in their sins.  Jesus saw HIS CHURCH
  like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of
  precious fruit.  There was a BOASTFUL
  observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility,
  penitence and faith—which alone could render the service acceptable to
  God—was lacking.  Instead of the graces
  of the Spirit, there were manifested pride,
  formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression.  A backsliding church closed their eyes to
  the signs of the times.  God did not
  forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail; but they DEPARTED FROM HIM,
  and SEPARATED themselves from His love.  As they REFUSED to comply with the
  conditions, his promises WERE NOT fulfilled to them. Love
  for Christ and faith in his coming waxed cold.  Such is the sure result of neglect to
  appreciate and improve the light and privileges which God bestows… Obedience
  requires a sacrifice and involves a cross; and this is why so many of the
  professed followers of Christ REFUSED to receive the light from Heaven, and
  like the Jews of old, knew not the time of their visitation.  Because of their pride and unbelief, the
  Lord passed them by, and revealed his truth to men in humble life, who had
  given heed to all the light they had received.”" E. G. White, The Spirit
  of Prophecy, vol. 4, 199, 200. (Not to be confused with Testimonies, Vol.
  4.  Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, is the
  1884 edition of The Great Controversy.   Try
  to find the above statement in the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy!  Especially
  in light of the fact that Ellen White said that she would not change a word
  of that book! I
  have exhausted the alphabet in lettering the evidences of Ellen White
  concerning statements that state and/or imply a need for another
  separation.  But Scripture demands
  it!  Though I have exhausted the
  alphabet in lettering the example I have, I certainly have not exhausted the
  evidence, but if one will not accept the above evidence, they will not accept
  any evidence even though an angel should be raised from the dead in front of
  them. And finally, Walt, the last portion of the third
  part of your question:  “And if the above be true, is there not
  then specified a separation that must at some time, take place?  Does EGW say anything on the matter?  Is
  this what she speaks of with the mention of the church being purified?” 
 How was the church purged and purified in
  that PREFIGURE TYPE.  Part of the Bible
  evidence I neglected to cite is Ezekiel 22:17-31, where he tells exactly
  where the dross (tares) are gathered and burned—INTO THE MIDSTS OF JERUSALEM,
  just as in the PREFIGURE TYPE IN A.D. 70. You know something interesting folk, a
  lot of people have been greatly interested in this message at first, then like the stony ground hearers, when it does not sell
  well to their friends and relatives in the church, they become weary and
  scratch it.  That is  a shame in view of all the truth
  they are abandoning and in light of their loss of eternal life in exchange
  for the simple reasons they finally reject truth. It is all like those who heard Jesus’
  sermon on the Mount, and walked away saying “This is too hard an saying.”  All who
  are saved are going to have to drink of the cup of trial and testing of their
  faith.  This is not a popular message! God bless, Ron Beaulieu P.S. 
  If I have mentioned something Ellen White said but did not give the
  statement or the reference, feel free to ask and I will oblige you.   |