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classic demonstration of blind error such as I have never witnessed in my lifetime. I would not be as
severe on a beginner learning the truth, but I have been sparing with Gar for
at least 8 years now going over and over Ezekiel 9. You need to understand
that Gar has a Website devoted ENTIRELY to slandering me and misrepresenting
everything I teach. If anyone is ever tempted to believe anything Gar says by way of his credibility as a teacher of
truth, they should pray and read this three times a day! rb ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron
Beaulieu To:
Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for
Adventism at the Sunday Law This is Gar’s classic error of all time. This
should be saved by every member of this forum for future reference. You
should pray and read this three times a day if you are even tempted to
believe Gar is correct on Ezekiel 9. Gar wrote: "I do not hold that The
Conference will repent... I hold that the ancient men which were before the house [leadership] will suffer from Ezekiel 9. I do not believe we must leave the
Church to escape Ezekiel 9.. God's people in the Church will not suffer from
Ezekiel 9 just like the children of Israel did not suffer the plagues of
Egypt. There is a separation that takes place and it is the Sunday Law that
does it, because the Sabbath is the Test." Ron responds: ·
You are truly a deceiver false prophet. Ezekiel 9 says that
men, maidens and little children perish with mercy. Ellen White says the same
thing in 5 T, 211. You have seen all this for at least 8 years. You have not
the most elementary element of spiritual discernment or even worldly common
sense. No child of 10 upon reading Ezekiel 9 would conclude that no one was
killed except the ancient men. The ancient men leaders are punished 10 times
more, says Ellen White, but they are not the only ones who suffer from
Ezekiel 9. YOU POST ABOVE IS A CLASSIC GAR. THIS SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVE PROOF
TO ANYONE WHO READS THIS STATEMENT BY YOU THAT YOU ARE NOW TOTALLY BLIND TO
THE MOST SIMPLE TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE AND ARE NOT THE LEAST CAPABLE OF TEACHING
TRUTH. ·
Ellen White said Ezekiel 9 will be literal. It was LITERAL IN A.D.
70. By that time, the faithful Christians had fled to Pella 3 1/2 years
before, AND THEY HAD LEFT THE APOSTATE CHURCH SINCE A.D. 34, 36 YEARS PRIOR
TO THE EXECUTION OF EZEKIEL 9! THAT'S HISTORY GAR. ·
The Sunday Law is the Final Time for separation. GOD WILL CAUSE
ALL TO HEAR THE LOUD CRY AT THAT TIME. But like the Christians in the last
LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, THE PREFIGURE OF IT, we are responsible for
leaving as soon as we learn of the apostasy, OR WE ARE THEN CORPORATELY
REPSONSIBLE FOR IT. ·
Ezekiel 22 tells exactly how Ezekiel 9 was fulfilled in A.D. 70.
THERE WAS NOT ONE FAITHFUL MAN IN THE CITY. 30 And I sought for a man among them,
that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land,
that I should not destroy it: but I found none. Gar, you prove yourself totally incompetent to teach
anything after your statement (above from your post below) on Ezekiel 9! Ezekiel 9
Begin at My Sanctuary --
"Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to
feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had
given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests
of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we
need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in
former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and
they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too
merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the
cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show
God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These
dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an
offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all
perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gar To:
Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for
Adventism at the Sunday Law Ron, I do not hold that The Conference
will repent... I hold that the ancient
men which were before the house [leadership] will suffer
from Ezekiel 9. I do not believe we must leave the Church to escape Ezekiel
9.. God's people in the Church will not suffer from Ezekiel 9 just like the
children of Israel did not suffer the plagues of Egypt. There is a separation
that takes place and it is the Sunday Law that does it, because the Sabbath
is the Test. Gar (Orion) Ron responds: ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron
Beaulieu To:
Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for
Adventism at the Sunday Law This paragraph (in blue below--THE RED
PRINT PART). The SDA Corporation closed its probation long ago via ecumenical
marriage to Babylon. You hold that the corporation will still be able to make
a decision to change. Because it is already MARRIED to Babylon, any change of
decision is impossible for the following reasons: *Isaiah 8:9-15 says that anyone who
violates these verses will be BROKEN IN PIECES--no option to choose later. *Ellen White said in Word To the Little Flock, p. 14, that all who do so AFTER knowing
and understanding the Midnight Cry will find it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the
pathway to heaven again. *In Jeremiah 11:9-15, when Israel
conspired with Baal, that was CURTAINS for them! That generation closed its
probation and God said not to even pray for them. That meant they had
committed unpardonable sin, CLEAR AND SIMPLE! *All of the above results in a CALL OUT
message of Jeremiah 11:15. *When that generation of Jews did that
evil, unpardonable sin of conspiring (confederating) with Baal, then they
rejoiced. *When new movement Adventism did the same
thing with Baal from the early 1960's and on (as members of the Hungarian
Council of Free Churches, which is a MEMBER of THE WORLD COUNCIL OF
CHURCHES), admitted to by Neal C. Wilson, in the Adventist Review in the latter 1980's because of the Hungarian
Adventist Revolt of True Reformers there, this is proof that the church was
in ecumenical liaison since the early 60's because Wilson said the church had
been a member for 30 years or more. "Going back to the corporation – not only
will people have to individually make the decision, but so too will
corporations. The Seventh-day Adventist church has been a part of the
ecumenical movement for years and it seems their only wish collectively is to
not stick out and be different. As they have done so often in the past, they
will conform so much that you will see them first in line. The Corporation
will be faced with a choice – to disband as a corporation and return to being
a movement or bow to the pope in order to maintain their vast worldly
possessions and the leaders their positions. I have little doubt in my mind that
they will do the latter because we are told the fallen Adventists will be the
ones that will persecute the remnant the hardest. They will do this out of
fear of losing the grace they receive from the pope as he will control the
world’s commerce and debt. The Seventh-day Adventist church is deeply in debt
and they will have no choice but to completely conform or else. They will
feel threatened by the true remnant Sabbath keepers because the world will
see that the church is not in control of their flock. Eze 9:6 Slay utterly
old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near
any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary [church].
Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house [leadership].
7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the
slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city." ----- Original Message ----- From: Gar (Orion) To:
Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:03 AM Subject: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for
Adventism at the Sunday Law ·
What
points in the article below do you disagree with? ·
What
points do you agree with? The great issue so near at hand
[enforcement of Sunday laws] will weed out those whom God has not appointed
and He will have a pure, true, sanctified ministry prepared for the latter
rain.--3SM 385 (1886). Proof that
Probation Closes First for Adventism at the Sunday Law 1 Peter 4:17 For
the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it
first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of
God? The Seventh-day
Adventist Church is incorporated with the United Nations – prophetically,
they are incorporated with the dragon power! When the Sunday law hits the
USA, it will be under the guise of unity through control in order to repair
the failing economy and failing society. You will not be able to buy or sell
unless you bow to the beast and his image (Sunday worship). Many will be
obeying the papacy openly, believing that his way is the only way that the
world’s problems will be solved – they will receive the mark of the beast on
their forehead. Then there are those who, in the valley of decision, bend
down to tie their shoes appearing to worship instead of standing proudly
against idolatry as did the three worthies of Daniel 3. These wish not to be
a part of the papacy’s control; but see no other way unless they bow to the
pope’s Sunday worship requirement. They are the ones with the mark on their
hand. Most of those who align themselves in the above manners will not have
had the opportunity to completely understand the Sunday law and the false
doctrine to make the correct choice. They have the need to be witnessed to by
the 144,000 to have the God given opportunity to make an informed decision
before the world wide close of probation. …but these shall escape out of his
[the beast] hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of
Ammon. Daniel 11:41. By their very
name, Seventh-day Adventists have been informed of the true day of worship,
and they are aware that they are not to put any other gods before the one
true God. Adventists have been taught the three angel’s messages, they have
had the opportunity to read the Great Controversy, and when they align
themselves with the papacy they have rejected the three angel’s messages and
thereby reject their salvation. There is no further light that can be given
that will have any effect on their souls. If they fail this test, they
thereby have ended their own probation. "The time of
God's destructive judgments is the time of mercy for those who have had no
opportunity to learn what is truth. Tenderly will the Lord look upon them.
His heart of mercy is touched; His hand is still stretched out to save, while
the door is closed to those who would not enter." 9T 97. Close of
Probation http://the2520.com
2 "Those who
rejected and opposed the light of the first angel's message, lost the light
of the second, and could not be benefited by the power and glory which
attended the message, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh." Jesus turned
from them with a frown; for they had slighted and rejected Him. Those who
received the message were wrapped in a cloud of glory. They greatly feared to
offend God, and waited and watched and prayed to know His will. I saw Satan
and his angels seeking to shut this divine light from the people of God; but
as long as the waiting ones cherished the light and kept their eyes raised
from earth to Jesus, Satan could have no power to deprive them of its
precious rays. The message given from heaven enraged Satan and his angels,
and led those who professed to love Jesus, but despised His coming, to scorn
and deride the faithful, trusting ones. But an angel marked every insult,
every slight, every wrong, which the children of God received from their
professed brethren." EW 249. "When Seal
of God Is Refused.--If the light of truth has been presented to you,
revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no
foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling
to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls
"My holy day," you receive the mark of the beast. When does this
take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on
Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible
showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive
the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God."--Review and Herald,
July 13, 1897. Ev 235. Going back to the
corporation – not only will people have to individually make the decision,
but so too will corporations. The Seventh-day Adventist church has been a
part of the ecumenical movement for years and it seems their only wish
collectively is to not stick out and be different. As they have done so often
in the past, they will conform so much that you will see them first in line.
The Corporation will be faced with a choice – to disband as a corporation and
return to being a movement or bow to the pope in order to maintain their vast
worldly possessions and the leaders their positions. I have little doubt in
my mind that they will do the latter because we are told the fallen
Adventists will be the ones that will persecute the remnant the hardest. They
will do this out of fear of losing the grace they receive from the pope as he
will control the world’s commerce and debt. The Seventh-day Adventist church
is deeply in debt and they will have no choice but to completely conform or
else. They will feel threatened by the true remnant Sabbath keepers because
the world will see that the church is not in control of their flock. Eze 9:6
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but
come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary [church].
Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house [leadership].
7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the
slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. "And thou,
Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art
exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell:
for If the mighty works which Close of Probation have been done in
thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day."--RH
Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] LDE 48. The church is in
the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.--1NL 99 (1898). LDE 49. Here’s a question
to ask your Adventist friends: "If you were told that you can continue
to worship on Sabbath as long as you also worship on Sunday as well, what
would you do?" Everyone I have asked this to answers "I would see
it as a blessing, two days to worship God instead of just one". It is this author’s
belief that Corporate Adventists will be one of the foremost supporters of
the Sunday Law as a humanitarian means to bring world peace and prosperity. Orion (Gar) Gar’s 2006 False Prophesied Death
Threat to Ron -----Original
Message----- From: gar To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:SDAIssues%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [SDAIssues] I repent Ron
Beaulieu; The Lord hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie. Therefore thus saith the
Lord; Behold, I will cast thee from
off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast
taught rebellion against the Lord. Ron
Beaulieu wickedly declared himself the Lord's messenger, and he suffered
death in consequence. Gar ----- Original Message ----- From: "stormforger_2000"
<stormforger_2000@yahoo.com <mailto:stormforger_2000%40yahoo.com <mailto:stormforger_2000%40yahoo.com To: <SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:SDAIssues%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:SDAIssues%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: [SDAIssues]
I repent I was the one who pulled the hoax on ron i had no idea there was a
real karl kime. i mean't no harm. i hope all will forgive me. I remove
myself form this forum. you will never hear from me again please
forgive me. storm |