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What follows is truly a classic demonstration of blind error such as I have never witnessed in my lifetime. I would not be as severe on a beginner learning the truth, but I have been sparing with Gar for at least 8 years now going over and over Ezekiel 9. You need to understand that Gar has a Website devoted ENTIRELY to slandering me and misrepresenting everything I teach. If anyone is ever tempted to believe anything Gar says by way of his credibility as a teacher of truth, they should pray and read this three times a day! rb

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for Adventism at the Sunday Law

 

This is Gar’s classic error of all time. This should be saved by every member of this forum for future reference. You should pray and read this three times a day if you are even tempted to believe Gar is correct on Ezekiel 9.

 

Gar wrote: "I do not hold that The Conference will repent... I hold that the ancient men which were before the house [leadership] will suffer from Ezekiel 9. I do not believe we must leave the Church to escape Ezekiel 9.. God's people in the Church will not suffer from Ezekiel 9 just like the children of Israel did not suffer the plagues of Egypt. There is a separation that takes place and it is the Sunday Law that does it, because the Sabbath is the Test."

 

Ron responds:

·        You are truly a deceiver false prophet. Ezekiel 9 says that men, maidens and little children perish with mercy. Ellen White says the same thing in 5 T, 211. You have seen all this for at least 8 years. You have not the most elementary element of spiritual discernment or even worldly common sense. No child of 10 upon reading Ezekiel 9 would conclude that no one was killed except the ancient men. The ancient men leaders are punished 10 times more, says Ellen White, but they are not the only ones who suffer from Ezekiel 9. YOU POST ABOVE IS A CLASSIC GAR. THIS SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVE PROOF TO ANYONE WHO READS THIS STATEMENT BY YOU THAT YOU ARE NOW TOTALLY BLIND TO THE MOST SIMPLE TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE AND ARE NOT THE LEAST CAPABLE OF TEACHING TRUTH.

·        Ellen White said Ezekiel 9 will be literal. It was LITERAL IN A.D. 70. By that time, the faithful Christians had fled to Pella 3 1/2 years before, AND THEY HAD LEFT THE APOSTATE CHURCH SINCE A.D. 34, 36 YEARS PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION OF EZEKIEL 9! THAT'S HISTORY GAR.

·        The Sunday Law is the Final Time for separation. GOD WILL CAUSE ALL TO HEAR THE LOUD CRY AT THAT TIME. But like the Christians in the last LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, THE PREFIGURE OF IT, we are responsible for leaving as soon as we learn of the apostasy, OR WE ARE THEN CORPORATELY REPSONSIBLE FOR IT.

·        Ezekiel 22 tells exactly how Ezekiel 9 was fulfilled in A.D. 70. THERE WAS NOT ONE FAITHFUL MAN IN THE CITY. 30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

Gar, you prove yourself totally incompetent to teach anything after your statement (above from your post below) on Ezekiel 9!

 

Ezekiel 9


1 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. 2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. 3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; 4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

 

Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:52 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for Adventism at the Sunday Law

 

Ron,

 

I do not hold that The Conference will repent... I hold that the ancient men which were before the house [leadership] will suffer from Ezekiel 9. I do not believe we must leave the Church to escape Ezekiel 9.. God's people in the Church will not suffer from Ezekiel 9 just like the children of Israel did not suffer the plagues of Egypt. There is a separation that takes place and it is the Sunday Law that does it, because the Sabbath is the Test.

 

 Gar (Orion)

 

Ron responds:

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for Adventism at the Sunday Law

 

This paragraph (in blue below--THE RED PRINT PART). The SDA Corporation closed its probation long ago via ecumenical marriage to Babylon. You hold that the corporation will still be able to make a decision to change. Because it is already MARRIED to Babylon, any change of decision is impossible for the following reasons:

 

*Isaiah 8:9-15 says that anyone who violates these verses will be BROKEN IN PIECES--no option to choose later.

*Ellen White said in Word To the Little Flock, p. 14, that all who do so AFTER knowing and understanding the Midnight Cry will find it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the pathway to heaven again.

*In Jeremiah 11:9-15, when Israel conspired with Baal, that was CURTAINS for them! That generation closed its probation and God said not to even pray for them. That meant they had committed unpardonable sin, CLEAR AND SIMPLE!

*All of the above results in a CALL OUT message of Jeremiah 11:15.

*When that generation of Jews did that evil, unpardonable sin of conspiring (confederating) with Baal, then they rejoiced.

*When new movement Adventism did the same thing with Baal from the early 1960's and on (as members of the Hungarian Council of Free Churches, which is a MEMBER of THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES), admitted to by Neal C. Wilson, in the Adventist Review in the latter 1980's because of the Hungarian Adventist Revolt of True Reformers there, this is proof that the church was in ecumenical liaison since the early 60's because Wilson said the church had been a member for 30 years or more.

 

"Going back to the corporation – not only will people have to individually make the decision, but so too will corporations. The Seventh-day Adventist church has been a part of the ecumenical movement for years and it seems their only wish collectively is to not stick out and be different. As they have done so often in the past, they will conform so much that you will see them first in line. The Corporation will be faced with a choice – to disband as a corporation and return to being a movement or bow to the pope in order to maintain their vast worldly possessions and the leaders their positions. I have little doubt in my mind that they will do the latter because we are told the fallen Adventists will be the ones that will persecute the remnant the hardest. They will do this out of fear of losing the grace they receive from the pope as he will control the world’s commerce and debt. The Seventh-day Adventist church is deeply in debt and they will have no choice but to completely conform or else. They will feel threatened by the true remnant Sabbath keepers because the world will see that the church is not in control of their flock. Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary [church]. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house [leadership]. 7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city."

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gar (Orion)

To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:03 AM

Subject: [Adventist-fm] Proof that Probation Closes First for Adventism at the Sunday Law

 

·   What points in the article below do you disagree with?

·   What points do you agree with?

 

 The great issue so near at hand [enforcement of Sunday laws] will weed out those whom God has not appointed and He will have a pure, true, sanctified ministry prepared for the latter rain.--3SM 385 (1886).

Proof that Probation Closes First for Adventism at the Sunday Law

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is incorporated with the United Nations – prophetically, they are incorporated with the dragon power! When the Sunday law hits the USA, it will be under the guise of unity through control in order to repair the failing economy and failing society. You will not be able to buy or sell unless you bow to the beast and his image (Sunday worship).

Many will be obeying the papacy openly, believing that his way is the only way that the world’s problems will be solved – they will receive the mark of the beast on their forehead. Then there are those who, in the valley of decision, bend down to tie their shoes appearing to worship instead of standing proudly against idolatry as did the three worthies of Daniel 3. These wish not to be a part of the papacy’s control; but see no other way unless they bow to the pope’s Sunday worship requirement. They are the ones with the mark on their hand. Most of those who align themselves in the above manners will not have had the opportunity to completely understand the Sunday law and the false doctrine to make the correct choice. They have the need to be witnessed to by the 144,000 to have the God given opportunity to make an informed decision before the world wide close of probation. …but these shall escape out of his [the beast] hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. Daniel 11:41.

By their very name, Seventh-day Adventists have been informed of the true day of worship, and they are aware that they are not to put any other gods before the one true God. Adventists have been taught the three angel’s messages, they have had the opportunity to read the Great Controversy, and when they align themselves with the papacy they have rejected the three angel’s messages and thereby reject their salvation. There is no further light that can be given that will have any effect on their souls. If they fail this test, they thereby have ended their own probation.

"The time of God's destructive judgments is the time of mercy for those who have had no opportunity to learn what is truth. Tenderly will the Lord look upon them. His heart of mercy is touched; His hand is still stretched out to save, while the door is closed to those who would not enter." 9T 97. Close of Probation http://the2520.com 2

"Those who rejected and opposed the light of the first angel's message, lost the light of the second, and could not be benefited by the power and glory which attended the message, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh." Jesus turned from them with a frown; for they had slighted and rejected Him. Those who received the message were wrapped in a cloud of glory. They greatly feared to offend God, and waited and watched and prayed to know His will. I saw Satan and his angels seeking to shut this divine light from the people of God; but as long as the waiting ones cherished the light and kept their eyes raised from earth to Jesus, Satan could have no power to deprive them of its precious rays. The message given from heaven enraged Satan and his angels, and led those who professed to love Jesus, but despised His coming, to scorn and deride the faithful, trusting ones. But an angel marked every insult, every slight, every wrong, which the children of God received from their professed brethren." EW 249.

"When Seal of God Is Refused.--If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls "My holy day," you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God."--Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.

Going back to the corporation – not only will people have to individually make the decision, but so too will corporations. The Seventh-day Adventist church has been a part of the ecumenical movement for years and it seems their only wish collectively is to not stick out and be different. As they have done so often in the past, they will conform so much that you will see them first in line. The Corporation will be faced with a choice – to disband as a corporation and return to being a movement or bow to the pope in order to maintain their vast worldly possessions and the leaders their positions. I have little doubt in my mind that they will do the latter because we are told the fallen Adventists will be the ones that will persecute the remnant the hardest. They will do this out of fear of losing the grace they receive from the pope as he will control the world’s commerce and debt. The Seventh-day Adventist church is deeply in debt and they will have no choice but to completely conform or else. They will feel threatened by the true remnant Sabbath keepers because the world will see that the church is not in control of their flock. Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary [church]. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house [leadership]. 7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

"And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for If the mighty works which Close of Probation 

have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day."--RH Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] LDE 48.

The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.--1NL 99 (1898). LDE 49.

Here’s a question to ask your Adventist friends: "If you were told that you can continue to worship on Sabbath as long as you also worship on Sunday as well, what would you do?" Everyone I have asked this to answers "I would see it as a blessing, two days to worship God instead of just one".

It is this author’s belief that Corporate Adventists will be one of the foremost supporters of the Sunday Law as a humanitarian means to bring world peace and prosperity.

Orion (Gar)

 

Gar’s 2006 False Prophesied Death Threat to Ron

 

-----Original Message-----

 From: gar

 To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SDAIssues%40yahoogroups.com

 Sent: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 9:55 AM

 Subject: Re: Fw: [SDAIssues] I repent

 

Ron Beaulieu; The Lord hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people  to trust in a lie. Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will cast  thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because

thou hast taught rebellion against the Lord.

 

Ron Beaulieu wickedly declared himself the Lord's messenger, and he suffered death in consequence.

 

Gar

 

 

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: "stormforger_2000" <stormforger_2000@yahoo.com

 <mailto:stormforger_2000%40yahoo.com

  <mailto:stormforger_2000%40yahoo.com

   To: <SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SDAIssues%40yahoogroups.com

 <mailto:SDAIssues%40yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:39 PM

   Subject: [SDAIssues] I repent

 

 

  I was the one who pulled the hoax on ron i had no idea there  was a  real karl kime. i mean't no harm. i hope all will forgive me. I   remove    myself form this forum. you will never hear from me again

please forgive me.

 

storm