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to Respond to Lies SDA Leaders Have Taught Since
Ellen White’s Demise
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Ever since the death of Ellen White in 1915, SDA leaders have
misinterpreted and misrepresented her statements to favor the church no matter
what it does. This practice will lead millions of surface reading Adventists
into Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and little children, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211 and Ezekiel
9:6. Here are correct responses to the lying misrepresentations of Ellen
White’s statements.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:14 PM
Subject: Fw: [AdventistHotIssues] by the words of truth the chaff was
being separated for the wheat.............
Are the wheat separated from the
tares ONLY AT THE END-TIME? NOT ACCORDING TO ELLEN WHITE'S STATEMENT LYNN
QUOTES BELOW! THANK YOU LYNN.
----- Original
Message -----
From: Lynn
MacDonald
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:08 AM
Subject: [AdventistHotIssues]
by the words of truth the chaff was being separated for the wheat.............
Dear Forum,
These are sobering words from the
Desire of Ages chapter "The Crisis in Galilee":
Page 392
" 'Whose fan is in His hand, and He will throughly
purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the DDner.'
Matt. 3:12
This was one of the times of purging. By the words of truth, the chaff was being separated from the wheat. Because they were too vain and self-righteous to
receive reproof, too world-loving to accept a life of humility, many turned
away from Jesus. Many are still doing the same thing. Souls
are tested today as were those disciples in the synagogue at Capernaum. When
truth is brought home to the heart, they see the need of an entire change in
themselves; but they are not willing to take up the self-denying work. Therefore
they are angry when their sins are discovered. They go away offended, even as the disciples left Jesus, murmuring, 'This is an hard saying' who can hear it?'
Praise and flattery would be pleasing
to their ears; but the truth is unwelcome; they cannot hear it. When the crowds
follow, and the multitudes are fed, and the shouts of triumph are heard, their
voices are loud in praise; but when the searching
of God's Spirit reveals their sin, and bids them leave it, they turn their
backs upon the truth, and walk no more with Jesus."
These words help destroy the
idea that SDA's feel you have to stay with the church to the end,as they believe only at the end the wheat will be
separated from the tares!
Blessings to all,
Lynn
----- Original
Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm]
Fw: The prophecy on Egypt now comes to fruition
Amen Adam.
Also, consider these statements.
Ellen White said God WILL, NOT MIGHT, remove His prospering hand from the
General Conference. Those blind dumb-dogs lead us right into a NEW MOVEMENT
that has removed God. Satan knew we would not join another new movement OUTSIDE
OF THE CHURCH, so he came in and formed one "AMONG" WITHIN the
church. And he began that new movement by coming in among us A LONG TIME AGO.
PH086 - Special Testimony to Battle
Creek Church (1898)
The Lord Jesus demands that every soul
make a reality of truth. Show that you believe that you are not half with
Christ and half with the world. Of all such Christ says, "I would thou
wert cold or hot. So then, because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spew thee out of my mouth." He who appreciates the love of Christ, will be an earnest
worker with Christ to bring other souls as sheaves to the Master. Thorough work
is always done by all who are connected with Christ. They bear fruit to his
glory. But indolence and carelessness and frivolity separate the soul from
Christ, and Satan comes in to work his will with the poor worldly subject, We have a great truth, but through careless indifference the
truth has lost its force upon us. Satan has come in with his specious temptations, and has led the
professed followers of Christ away from their Leader, classing them with the
foolish virgins. {PH086 23.2}
"Worldly policy is taking the
place of true piety and wisdom that comes from above, and God will remove His prospering hand from the conference. Shall the ark of the covenant be removed from
this people? Shall idols be smuggled in? Shall false principles and false
precepts be brought into the sanctuary? Shall antichrist be respected? Shall
the true doctrines and principles given us of God,
which have made us what we are, be ignored? This is directly where
the enemy, through blinded, unconsecrated men, is leading us." E. G. White, Manuscript 29, 1890.
"The Bible Prophets Wrote for
Our Time.--Never are we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our
salvation. Each of the ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for
ours, so that their prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things
happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon
whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto themselves, but
unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them
that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven
which things the angels desire to look into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White,
Selected Messages, vol. 3, p. 338.
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm]
Jeff Pippenger and his 911 'theory'
Jeff Pippenger
would have all remain in the church. He, like DD and the dumb-dog leaders
believe all the bad is shaken out of the new movement church. One of my
wife's sisters and her husband believe him because they want to remain in
the church.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam
Golebiewski
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: [Adventist-fm] Jeff Pippenger
and his 911 'theory'
Dears,
do you know Jeff Pippenger? What do you think about his lectures?
I read about his
September 11 2001 theory and now I can watch as he speaks about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdS1mrSUyXA -
3 minutes long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klw_oJ2qMPk -
4 minutes long
What is your
opinion on that issue? Do you agree with him?
Adam
----- Original
Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
; adam Golebiewski
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our
Day
Adam,
DD has vacillated 9 times over the
last ten years in agreeing with me and then disavowing and attributing what I
teach to Satan. Ellen White says that is unpardonable sin.
A huge part of his vacillating was
due to others who chided him saying he let Ron Beaulieu think for him and they
he could not think for himself. That is Satan's tactic. He wanted to prove that
he could think for himself. But he never succeeded in doing even that, for he
regularly quotes the errors of many others such as Ulicia Unruh, A. Leroy
Moore's (polar choossing what one prefers over
interpreting all so that nothing contradicts), Karl Wagner, Doug Batchelor and
the dumb-dog leaders who will NEVER AGAIN show the HOUSE OF JACOB its sins. Isaiah 56:10-12 and 5T 211.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam
Golebiewski
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day
DD,
before I had met Ron in
internet and before I had read his statements, I had similar thoughts on
many things he is writing about on his website. I'm really honest with you, DD.
Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: DD
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day
You have been confused by Ron Beaulieu--and
now even take issue with the plain utterance of Ellen White like he does.
DD
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011
at 10:46 AM, Adam Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:
DD,
Of course you're right. Absolutely. She's talking about the organized Church by the
Holy Spirit and not by the human beings. I just would like to know where the
Bible talks about 4 or 5 years of presidency or about democratic voting (and
about winning by the majority of votes). I'm reading in my Bible about casting
the lots and not about voting in democratic manner.
Adam
----- Original
Message -----
From: DD
To:
Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday,
February 03, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: Re:
[Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day
Please don 't
be so deceived! She was talking about the organized Church of course. How can
people be so deceived in to thinking she was not??????
DD
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Adam
Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:
DD,
how do you think what church was she writing about? About the Seventh-Day Adventist Church as an organized body as an
(religious) institution or maybe about the true Remnant?
Don't narrow down the word 'church'
only to the SDA Church, please.
Adam
----- Original
Message -----
From: DD
To:
Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday,
February 03, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: Re:
[Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day
The church may appear as about to
fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be
sifted out--the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible
ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.--2SM 380 (1886). {LDE 180.5}
DD
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Adam Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:
Is this not happening right now? I
mean the ministry of Jeremiah. Many say that our contemporary Jerusalem will
not fall....
Adam
----- Original
Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com ;
Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday,
February 03, 2011 9:27 AM
Subject:
[Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah
"Jeremiah's ministry prompted
naysayers to plot against him. Even the people from his hometown sought to kill
him, from Anathoth, where his father was from. (Jer.11) In
further attempts to counter Jeremiah’s proclamation of Jerusalem’s destruction,
false prophets came to declare just the opposite of his ministry. These false prophets
announced that Jerusalem would not be destroyed and that they needn’t worry
about war or famine. On the contrary, Jeremiah was to announce their doom and
anyone who listened to these false prophets. (Jer.14) Only by decreeing God’s
name and repenting would anyone have a chance to be restored back to the land
of their forefathers.[38] It had to be made known who God really was and his
name. (Jer.16) God had also reassured Jeremiah that his persecutors would be
put to shame. (Jer.17)
Physical persecution started when the
priest, Pashur ben Immer, a
temple official, sought out Jeremiah to have him beaten and put him in the
stocks at the Upper Gate of Benjamin for a day. Needless to say, Pashur, his family and friend’s fate were sealed. Jeremiah
specifically prophesied that they would be exiled to Babylon where they would
all perish. (Jeremiah 20:1-6) The physical and mental persecution that Jeremiah
underwent everyday became so heavy that at one point he felt God had deceived
him. However, his ministry burned inside him with such great fire that he
persisted to the letter. (Jeremiah 20:7-13)"
----- Original
Message -----
From: Ron
Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; adam Golebiewski
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our
Day
Adam,
DD has vacillated 9
times over the last ten years in agreeing with me and then disavowing and
attributing what I teach to Satan. Ellen White says that is unpardonable sin.
A huge part of his
vacillating was due to others who chided him saying he let Ron Beaulieu think
for him and they he could not think for himself. That is Satan's tactic. He
wanted to prove that he could think for himself. But he never succeeded in
doing even that, for he regularly quotes the errors of many others such as
Ulicia Unruh, A. Leroy Moore's (polar choossing what
one prefers over interpreting all so that nothing contradicts), Karl Wagner,
Doug Batchelor and the dumb-dog leaders who will NEVER AGAIN show the HOUSE OF
JACOB its sins. Isaiah 56:10-12 and 5T 211.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our
Day
Amen Adam, DD narrows down Ellen
White's statements to the new movement church. He says the bad will be shaking
out of that apostate church. God says that the bad will be shaken out of Zion,
the church triumphant via Ellen White and Ezekiel 20:34-38, to wit:
34And I will bring you out from the
people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with
a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35And I will bring you into the
wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36Like as I pleaded with your fathers
in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the
Lord GOD.
37And I will cause you to pass under
the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38And I will purge out from among you
the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of
the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of
Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Ezekiel 20:34-38.
The remnant, Zion, the bride of Christ, is gathered
out from the apostate people, just as the disciples as the bride (DA 179) was
gathered out by Christ as the first act of His ministry in A.D. 27. DA 232.
The true remnant, the final
generation, the 144,000, are brought into the bond of the covenant. And
all rebels are purged out of God's kingdom (Matthew 13:44 and on) by Zion, the
bride of Christ, when she gives the Loud Cry "Behold the Bridegroom
cometh, Go ye Out to Meet Him," Christ's Object Lessons, pp. 405-406, to
wit:
"Lingering near [not at] the
bride's house are ten young women robed in white. Each carries a lighted lamp
and a small flagon for oil. All are anxiously watching for the appearance of
the bridegroom. But there is a delay [since 1844]. Hour after hour passes the
watchers become weary and fall asleep. At midnight the cry is heard, 'Behold,
the bridegroom cometh go ye out to meet him.' The sleepers [all ten slept Matt. 25:5], suddenly awaking, spring
to their feet. They see the procession moving on, bright with torches
and glad with music. They hear the voice of the bridegroom and
the voice of the bride. The ten
maidens seize their lamps and begin to trim them, in haste to go forth, But five have neglected to fill their flasks with oil
[character]. They did not anticipate so long a delay, and they have not
prepared for the emergence." E. G. White, Christ's
Object Lessons, pp. 405, 406.
The ten virgins bridesmaidens (people of the church) GC 426, 427, are
guests at the wedding. If guests, they cannot be the bride, to wit:
"The marriage
represents the reception by Christ of His kingdom. The Holy City, the New
Jerusalem, which is the capital and REPRESENTATIVE of the kingdom, is called
'the bride, the Lamb's wife.' ...Clearly, then, the bride REPRESENTS [speaks on
behalf of] the Holy City, and the [ten] virgins that go out to meet the
bridegroom are a symbol of the church [militant body consisting of wheat and tares,
wise and foolish, while the bride is the representative of the
"invisible" church triumphant on earth and the heavenly kingdom
church of Hebrews 12:22, 23]. In the Revelation the people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper.
Revelation 19:9. If guests, they cannot be represented also as the bride.
Christ, as stated by
the prophet Daniel, will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven, 'dominion,
and glory, and a kingdom' He will receive the NEW JERUSALEM, the capital of His
kingdom, 'prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.'" E. G. White, The Great Controversy, 426, 427, the 1911 Edition.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our
Day
DD has been confused by Ulicia Unruh,
who convinced him of the preterist lie that Ezekiel 5 and 9 were fulfilled
under the Babylonian CAPTIVITIES of the Jews by Nebuchadnezzar in three
different sieges upon Jerusalem. The Jews were not slaughtered. They were taken
CAPTIVE FOR 70 YEARS. That is Bible. Being taken captive as a punishment from
God that they might see the error of their ways and repent and reform, is a far
flight from the Ezekiel 9 marking (sealing) by the man in linen after the 490
years of their probation was over in A.D. 34.
Ulicia Unruh interprets EVERY QUOTE DD
presents just as he does. She is an SDA minister's wife, and we can expect
nothing more from such a source--dumb dogs that cannot understand, Isaiah
56:10-12 and 5T 211.
Ulicia Unruh has been a HUGE FACTOR
in mentoring DD Z. She is his Jezebel.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Confidence in SDA
Organization Reaffirmed
It was a SMALL GROUP OF MEN who
formed a new movement "AMONG" Seventh-day Adventists. Ellen White
said the General Conference was no more the voice of God.
THE GENERAL CONFERENCE NO LONGER THE VOICE
OF GOD
"The
People Have Lost Confidence--It is working upon wrong principles that has
brought the cause of God into its present embarrassment. The people have
lost confidence in those who have the management of the work. Yet we hear that the voice of the Conference is the
voice of God. Every time I have heard this, I have thought it was almost
blasphemy. The voice of the Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not, because some in connection with it are not men of
faith and prayer, they are not men of elevated principle. There is not a
seeking of God with the whole heart; there is not a realization of the terrible
responsibility that rests upon those in this institution to mold and fashion
minds after the divine similitude."--Manuscript 37, 1901, p. 8 (April,
1901, Talk by Mrs. E. G. White in the Review Chapel reDDding
the Southern work). {ChL 20.4-21}
Notice the important QUALIFYING WORDS IN
EACH OF THE QUOTES DD PRESENTS:
I am
instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over,
God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto
Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in
the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.--2SM 397 (1908). {LDE 55.3}
Ellen White said that it is the
144,000 BRIDE, that stands PERFECTLY UNITED to the end
of time.
"By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and
perfectly united. Word to the Little Flock, pp. 14,
15.
At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the
general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference,
sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God's work, I have said that I
could no longer reDDd the voice of the General
Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not
saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of
duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be
respected. {LDE 55.4}
General Conference no longer the voice of God
Ellen White said she thought it was almost
blasphemy to call the GC the voice of God.
“The People Have Lost
Confidence--It is working upon wrong principles that has brought the cause of
God into its present embarrassment. The
people have lost confidence in those who have the management of the work. Yet we hear that the voice of the Conference
is the voice of God. Every time I have heard this, I have thought it was
almost blasphemy. The voice of the
Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not,
because some in connection with it are not men of faith and prayer, they are
not men of elevated principle. There is
not a seeking of God with the whole heart; there is not a realization of the
terrible responsibility that rests upon those in this institution to mold and
fashion minds after the divine similitude.”--Manuscript 37, 1901, p. 8 (April,
1901, Talk by Mrs. E. G. White in the Review Chapel reDDding
the Southern work). {ChL 20.4}
God has
invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disreDDding and despising, for he who does this despises the voice of God.--AA 164 (1911). {LDE 56.2}
God's church is the one that is
called DIRECTLY BY GOD:
"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the
characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of
the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping
people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the
universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it
that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers
of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22,
23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many
generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4,
1151.
"The members of the church triumphant--the church in heaven--will
be permitted to draw near to the members of the church militant, to aid them in
their necessity." E. G. White, The Southern
Watchman, Sep. 8, 1903.
I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God
of Israel is still guiding His people and that He will continue to be with them, even to
the end.--2SM 406 (1913). [FROM ELLEN WHITE'S FINAL MESSAGE TO THE SEVENTH-DAY
ADVENTIST CHURCH IN GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION. THESE REASSURING WORDS WERE
READ TO THE SESSION BY THE GENERAL CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, A. G. DANIELLS, ON MAY
27, 1913.] {LDE 56.3}
God's people keep his
commandments. They do not form a new movement that removes Him. They do not
instruct parents of children to send their children to school on Sabbath,
breaking the Sabbath TEST EVEN BEFORE THE SUNDAY LAW in Russia.
A Statement by W. C. White
I TOLD HER [MRS. LIDA SCOTT] HOW MOTHER REDDDED THE EXPERIENCE OF THE REMNANT CHURCH, AND OF HER POSITIVE TEACHING THAT GOD WOULD NOT
PERMIT THIS DENOMINATION TO SO FULLY APOSTATIZE THAT THERE WOULD BE THE COMING OUT OF ANOTHER CHURCH.--W. C. White to E. E. Andross,
May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File. {LDE 56.4}
Let's see whom Ellen White defines as
the REMNANT:
"The woman is a symbol
of the church, and the remnant of the church represents the
Christians of the last generation of men, living just prior to the second advent. The dragon makes war on these for keeping
the commandments of God, Sabbath and all, and having the testimony of
Jesus Christ, which, according to the inspired definition of chap. xix, 10, 'is
the spirit of prophecy.' Here, then, are the causes of the
dragon's warfare upon the remnant. They teach the observance of the ten commandments, and the revival of the gifts, and
acknowledge the gift of prophecy among them. When the Devil got one foot upon
the fourth commandment, and the other upon the gifts planted in the Christian
church by Jesus Christ, then his satanic majesty was filled with revengeful
delight. But when the remnant, whom God designs to
fit for translation to Heaven without seeing death, 'ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein,' then
the dragon is wroth, and makes war on them.
"The true spirit of the
dragonic host, which is already being somewhat developed, is vividly described
in Isa. xxx, 8-13, as being manifested just prior to the sudden destruction of
those who hate the pure testimony, and love smooth and deceitful things."
E. G. White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. III, 26, 27.
So the remnant keeps the commandments of God, Sabbath and all, and has the testimony of Jesus Christ, the Spirit of
Prophecy. The REMNANT is translated without seeing death. THAT IS THE
EXPERIENCE OF THE REMNANT CHURCH. Their will NEVER be
another SDA church than the one that was formed under the principles of
the true SDA pioneers in 1844.
God's Word says that a remnant will go
forth OUT OF JERUSALEM, Isaiah 37:31, 32. Ellen White said those words were
written more for us than the Jews. Proof absolute that these words apply to the
remnant at the end is because they describe EXACTLY what occurred in the last
literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 from A.D. 27-70, when Jesus "gathered
out" those who would give the gospel (His disciples) in A.D. 27, Desire of
Ages, 232, and the disciples then gathered out the faithful who accepted
Christ, into home churches, from A.D. 34 and on until A.D. 66, when
all true Christians fled to Pella in the land of Perea to avoid the Ezekiel 9
destruction of the apostate church.
The new movement formed "AMONG"
that church does not even qualify as a church because it has removed God, 1SM
205, and only His presence can constitute a church, The Upward Look, 315.
If Willie White's statement is true, then
Ellen White's following statement would not be true. How could God
possibly "CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS PRINCIPLE" if He knew that the
church would not apostatize to the point that there would not be another coming
out?
"The Lord Jesus will always have a
chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected
Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and
gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work
on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves
unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however
high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important
responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every
wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their
borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they
repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.
God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as
though he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G.
White, The Upward Look, 131.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: DD
To: Adventist-fm
Sent: Thursday, February
03, 2011 9:39 AM
Subject: [Adventist-fm]
Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed
Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed
We cannot now step off the foundation that God has
established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean
apostasy from the truth.--2SM 390 (1905). {LDE 55.2}
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Confidence in SDA
Organization Reaffirmed
The new movement prophesied in Selected
Messages, Bk. 1, 204-205 stepped off the foundation that God established
and removed God (p. 205). There is only one other leader, Satan.
The only people on earth who will stand
PERFECTLY UNITED is the 144,000.
"By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious
Star containing Jesus' new name. [REV. 3:12.] At our happy, holy state the
wicked
15
were enraged, and would rush violently up to lay hands on us to thrust us in
prison, when we would stretch forth the hand in the name of the Lord, and the
wicked would fall helpless to the ground. Then it was that the synagogue of
Satan knew that God had loved us who could wash one another's feet, and salute
the holy brethren with a holy kiss, and they worshipped at our feet. [REV.
3:9.] Soon our eyes were drawn to the East, for a small black cloud had
appeared about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the Sign of
the Son of Man. [MAT. 24:30.] We all in solemn silence gazed on the cloud as it
drew nearer, lighter, and brighter, glorious, and still more glorious, till it
was a great white cloud. [REV. 14:14.] The bottom appeared like fire, a rainbow
was over it, around the cloud were ten thousand angels singing a most lovely
song. And on it sat the Son of Man, [LUKE 21:27.] on his head were crowns,
[REV. 19:12.] his hair was white and curly and lay on his shoulders. [REV.
1:14.] His feet had the appearance of fire, [REV. 1:15.] in his right hand was
a sharp sickle, [REV. 14:14.] in his left a silver trumpet. [THESS.
4:16.] His eyes were as a flame of fire, [REV. 1:14.] which searched his
children through and through. Then all faces gathered paleness, and those that
God had rejected gathered blackness. Then we all cried out, who shall be able
to stand? Is my robe spotless? Then the angels ceased to sing, and there was
some time of awful silence, [REV. 8:1.] when Jesus spoke. Those who have clean
hands and a pure heart shall be able to stand, my grace is sufficient for you.
At this, our faces lighted up, and joy filled every heart. And the angels
struck a note higher and sung again while the cloud drew still nearer the
earth. Then Jesus' silver trumpet sounded, as he descended on the cloud,
wrapped in flames of fire [2 THESS. 1:7,8] He gazed on the graves of the
sleeping saints, then raised his eyes and hands to heaven and cried out, [JOHN
5:25.] Awake! Awake! Awake! ye that sleep in the dust,
and arise. Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead
came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, Hallelujah! as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them
by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with
them to meet the Lord in the air. [THESS. 4:17.] We
all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of
glass, when Jesus brought along the crowns and with his own right hand placed
them on our heads. [2 ESDRAS 2:43.] He gave us harps of gold and palms of
victory. [REV. 15:2. REV. 7:9.] Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a
perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some
crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly
satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white
mantle from their shoulders to their feet. [REV. 7:9.] Angels were all about us
as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the City. Jesus raised his mighty
glorious arm, laid hold of the gate and swung it back on its golden hinges, and
said to us, You have washed your robes in my blood,
stood stifly for my truth, enter in. [ISA. 26:2.] We
all marched in and felt we had a perfect right in the City. Here we saw the
tree of life, and the throne of God. Out of the throne came a pure river of
water, and on either side of the river was the tree of life. [REV. 22; 1,2.] On one side of the river was a
trunk of a tree and a trunk on the other side of the river, both of pure
transparent gold." Word to the Little Flock, pp.
14, 15.
----- Original Message -----
From: DD
To: Adventist-fm
Sent: Thursday, February
03, 2011 9:39 AM
Subject: [Adventist-fm]
Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed
Confidence in SDA Organization Reaffirmed
We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established.
We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy
from the truth.--2SM 390 (1905). {LDE 55.2}
I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the
world over, God has called us as a people to be a
peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall
stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the
end of time.--2SM 397 (1908). {LDE 55.3}
At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the
general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference,
sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God's work, I have said that I
could no longer reDDd the voice of the General
Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not
saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of
duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be
respected. {LDE 55.4}
God has ordained that the representatives of His church
from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have
authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the
mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of
authority and influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and
voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and
advancement of His work.--9T 260, 261 (1909). {LDE 56.1}
God has invested His church with special authority and
power which no one can be justified in disreDDding
and despising, for he who does this despises the voice of God.--AA 164
(1911). {LDE 56.2}
I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God
of Israel is still guiding His people and that He will continue to be with
them, even to the end.--2SM 406 (1913). [FROM ELLEN WHITE'S FINAL MESSAGE TO
THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH IN GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION. THESE
REASSURING WORDS WERE READ TO THE SESSION BY THE GENERAL CONFERENCE PRESIDENT,
A. G. DANIELLS, ON MAY 27, 1913.] {LDE 56.3}
A Statement by W. C. White
I TOLD HER [MRS. LIDA SCOTT] HOW MOTHER REDDDED THE
EXPERIENCE OF THE REMNANT CHURCH, AND OF HER POSITIVE
TEACHING THAT GOD WOULD NOT PERMIT THIS DENOMINATION TO SO FULLY APOSTATIZE
THAT THERE WOULD BE THE COMING OUT OF ANOTHER CHURCH.--W. C. White to E. E. Andross, May 23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence
File. {LDE 56.4}
DD
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] God Will Set
Everything in Order
God set everything in order in the
last literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, which was a PREFIGURE of how He will set
everything in order in the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. There is
NOTHING in Scripture or Ellen White to suggest that God will change the
apostate church--rather Ellen White says it allowed nothing to stand in its
way, and that the apostles said it would be so bad we are not to pray for it.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: DD
To: Adventist-fm
Sent: Thursday, February
03, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: [Adventist-fm] God
Will Set Everything in Order
God Will Set Everything in Order
There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work
will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in
order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the work God will attend to
that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to
carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port.--2SM 390 (1892). {LDE 52.1}
Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is
the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective
members, that there are tares amid the wheat. . . . Although there are evils
existing in the church, and will be until the end of the world, the church in
these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and
demoralized by sin. The church, enfeebled and defective, needing to be
reproved, warned, and counseled, is the only object upon earth upon which
Christ bestows His supreme reDDd.--TM 45, 49
(1893). {LDE 52.2}
The bulwarks of Satan will never triumph. Victory will
attend the third angel's message. As the Captain of the Lord's host tore down
the walls of Jericho, so will the Lord's commandment-keeping people triumph,
and all opposing elements be defeated.--TM 410 (1898). {LDE 52.3}
DD
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our
Day
The disciples were the bride of
Christ, Desire of Ages, 179. They were:
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: DD
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February
03, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm]
Jeremiah and Our Day
You will
take passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the
shaking among God's people, and you will talk of a coming out from this people
of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy. . .
. Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them, we
would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has
ever been witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan
wants.--1SM 179 (1890). {LDE 51.1}
The Lord has not given you a message to call the
Seventh-day Adventists Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out of
her. All the reasons you may present cannot have weight with me on this
subject, because the Lord has given me decided light that is opposed to such a
message. . . . {LDE 51.2}
I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be
disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least
consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will
be.--2SM 63, 68, 69 (1893). {LDE 51.3}
I tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized
body through whom He will work. . . . When anyone is drawing apart from the
organized body of God's commandment-keeping people, when he begins to weigh the
church in his human scales and begins to pronounce judgment against them, then
you may know that God is not leading him. He is on the wrong track.--3SM 17, 18
(1893). {LDE 51.4}
DD
----- Original Message -----
From: DD
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February
03, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm]
Jeremiah and Our Day
The church may
appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion
will be sifted out--the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is
a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.--2SM 380 (1886).
{LDE 180.5}
DD
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our
Day
She was speaking of Zion, the bride
of Christ. That is clear. And the bride is not the guests and the guests are
not the bride, GC 426, 427.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: Adventist-fm@yahoogroups.com ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Jeremiah and Our
Day
Adam,
Yes, you are
correct. It happens all the time on this forum and from the leadership of the
new movement. They do not even know God's definition of Zion, the bride that is
married, Isaiah 62:1-5. Of course she remains and it is by and from her that
the rebels are sifted out of the Kingdom of God, (See Ezekiel 20:34-38 and
Matthew 13:44 and on).
The obfuscations of
the apostate church MEMBERS reDDding these
truths is a terrible ordeal and the peace and safety lovers hate it
because it is terrible. They want everything to be quiet and peaceful. That
would be wonderful, but the foolish virgins teach falsities that must be met.
Ron
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011
at 9:57 AM, Adam Golebiewski <ad-gol@wp.pl> wrote:
Is this not happening right now? I
mean the ministry of Jeremiah. Many say that our contemporary Jerusalem will
not fall....
Adam