My Vision on Daniel and Revelation

Mysteries Part 2

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

In the historic interpretation pertaining to the two witnesses, Ellen White defines the time period of 3 ½ days in Revelation 11:9, 11, as 42 months or 1,260 days, as well. Since there are fulfillments of the latter verses in Revelation 11 that directly relate to the last day, we can only interpret that the 42 month interpretation still applies in the end-time fulfillment of the remainder of the verses after verses 9 and 11 of Revelation 11.

Thus, we can only conclude that Ellen White meant no more day for a year literal time relative to the ending of the 2300 days, for that was the entire context of her statement for no more day for a year time after 1844. The pioneers kept moving up the date for Jesus to come, and her entire effort was to stop that continuum of date setting.

"Said the angel of the Lord: “The holy city [the true church] shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth....And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.... And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.” [Revelation 11:2-11.] {GC88 266.1}

“The periods here mentioned—“forty and two months,” and “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”—are the same, alike representing the time in which the church of Christ was to suffer oppression from Rome. The 1260 years of papal supremacy began with the establishment of the papacy in A. D. 538, and would therefore terminate in 1798. At that time a French army entered Rome, and made the pope a prisoner, and he died in exile. Though a new pope was soon afterward elected, the papal hierarchy has never since been able to wield the power which it before possessed.” {GC88 266.2}

Revelation 11:3, 2, and 9, depict the same forty two month time. In verses 2 and 3, literal time applies to the end-time application. These will have another literal fulfillment at the end time, so that the events of “THE LAST DAY” will be fulfilled in connection with the 42 month (1260) day time period. Revelation, verses 12-19 were not fulfilled in the historic version in connection with the times mentioned earlier in the chapter. So the primary application will be literal at the end-time.

Revelation 11

¹And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

²But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

³And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

⁴These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

⁵And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

⁶These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

⁷And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

⁸And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

⁹And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

¹⁰And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

¹¹And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

¹²And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

¹³And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

¹⁴The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

¹⁵And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

¹⁶And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

¹⁷Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

¹⁸And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

¹⁹And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Conclusion

The most instructive part of this vision is that verses 12-19 were not fulfilled in the historic version of this prophecy and in connection with verses 1-11. This demands another literal fulfillment in literal time.

—rwb

A response from Brother Jordache in Romania:

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From: George Jordache

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Vision on Daniel and Revelation Mysteries

Dear brother Ron

I couldn't imagine the meaning of those 31/2 days as representing The Day of the Lord, that is a symbolic interpretation of the same period of time, 3 1/2 years or 1260 days from Daniel, up to this moment...Now a larger and clearer pespective is in my sight, the things are getting sense and now one can understand Revelation 11 as a global repetition of the French Revolution...Not to mention the logical sequence of events starting with the angel measuring the Temple of God that is the SDA apostate Sanctuary of God...and continuing his mission with the Gentiles, the Court without the Temple (God's Church) that is the Loud Cry for the Gentiles...This interpretation makes sense but unfortunately SDA would not recognize their apostate condition before God, this is why they can't understand the real meaning of these prophecies...it is only by accepting the whole Truth for the Remnant of God for this time that somebody can understand these prophecies....Blessings,

George

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From: Ron Beaulieu

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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:53 AM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Vision on Daniel and Revelation Mysteries

Dear Brother George,

The same forces (Free Masonry) that organized and financed the French Revolution, is fomenting and financing world revolution via the current OCCUPY movement that is totally atheist, Sodom/Egypt like, satanic socialist Marxism in ideology. As Ellen White said, that which has been in the past will occur again.

All blessings,

Ron

A response from Brother Rob Sterbenc in British Columbia:

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From: Robert Sterbenc

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Vision on Daniel and Revelation Mysteries

Dear Brother Ron,

Thank you so much for the Holy Spirit's revelation to you, regarding your Vision on Daniel and Revelation Mysteries. I found it so profound and sobering as to what is yet to transpire and how history will indeed repeat itself. Indeed the last day application according to definition #3 of ''days'' will take place just before the resurrection of the righteous dead in Revelation 11:11, and the seventh angel hasn't sounded yet in full force.

However, I do have a brief comment: Referring to Revelation 11:15-19, I believe there was a partial fulfillment of this prophecy in 1844, when Jesus our High Priest entered the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary at the end of the 2300 days in 1844. Daniel 7:9-14 seems to closely correlate with Revelation 11:15-19 regarding the Investigative Judgment that began in 1844. But the main fulfillment will occur in the last day when the dead wicked are judged by the Saints in Heaven during the 1000 year reign with Christ (Rev 20:4-6). Ellen White stated in the Great Controversy:

The holy places of the sanctuary in heaven are represented by the two apartments in the sanctuary on earth. As in vision the apostle John was granted a view of the temple of God in heaven, he beheld there "seven lamps of fire burning before the throne." Revelation 4:5. He saw an angel "having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne." Revelation 8:3. Here the prophet was permitted to behold the first apartment [415] of the sanctuary in heaven; and he saw there the "seven lamps of fire" and "the golden altar," represented by the golden candlestick and the altar of incense in the sanctuary on earth. Again, "the temple of God was opened" (Revelation 11:19), and he looked within the inner veil, upon the holy of holies. Here he beheld "the ark of His testament," represented by the sacred chest constructed by Moses to contain the law of God.

Perhaps you could mention that there was a partial fulfillment of Revelation 11:15-19 at the time of the beginning of the Investigative Judgment in 1844, whereas the main application is according to Definition #3 of ''days'' in Revelation 11:9, 11.

Thanks, brother!

Blessings to you and everyone in Christ - Rob

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From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:20 PM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Vision on Daniel and Revelation Mysteries

Dear Brother Robert,

If we take the verses in their contextual order, verses 12 and 13 would have to precede what occurs in verse 15. During the Great Controversy experiment, although Christ is Lord, He has given Satan dominion over this earth to prove whose methods are right. Therefore, I don't believe we can say that the kingdoms of this world are yet become the kingdoms of our Lord until the Great Controversy is over.

¹²And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

¹⁴The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Here is Ellen White's description using the very words of Revelation 11:15:

“About his coming cluster the glories of that “restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” [Acts 3:21.] Then the long-continued rule of evil shall be broken; “the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.” [Revelation 11:15.] “The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.” “The Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.” He shall be “for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people.” [Isaiah 40:5; 61:11; 28:5.] {GC88 301.3}

"It is then that the peaceful and long-desired kingdom of the Messiah shall be established under the whole heaven. “The Lord shall comfort Zion; he will comfort all her waste places, and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the Lord.” “The glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon.” “Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate; but thou shalt be called My Delight, and thy land Beulah.” “As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.” [Isaiah 51:3; 35:2; 62:4, 5 (Margin).] {GC88 301.4}

"The coming of the Lord has been in all ages the hope of his true followers. The Saviour’s parting promise upon Olivet, that he would come again, lighted up the future for his disciples, filling their hearts with joy and hope, that sorrow could not quench, nor trials dim. Amid suffering and persecution, “the appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” was the “blessed hope.” When the Thessalonian Christians were filled with grief as they buried their loved ones, who had hoped to live to witness the coming of the Lord, Paul, their teacher, pointed them to the resurrection, to take place at the Saviour’s advent. Then the dead in Christ should rise, and together with the living be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. “And so,” he said, “shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” [1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.] {GC88 302.1}

"On rocky Patmos the beloved disciple hears the promise, “Surely, I come quickly,” and his longing response voices the prayer of the church in all her pilgrimage, “Even so, come, Lord Jesus.” [Revelation 22:20.] {GC88 302.2}

"From the dungeon, the stake, the scaffold, where saints and martyrs witnessed for the truth, comes down the centuries the utterance of their faith and hope. “Being assured of Christ’s personal resurrection, and consequently of their own at his coming, for this cause,” says one of these Christians, “they despised death, and were found to be above it.” They were willing to go down to the grave, that they “might rise free.” They looked for the “Lord to come from Heaven in the clouds with the glory of his Father,” “bringing to the just the times of the kingdom.” The Waldenses cherished the same faith. Wycliffe looked forward to the Redeemer’s appearing as the hope of the church. {GC88 302.3}
Luther declared: “I persuade myself verily, that the day of Judgment will not be absent full three hundred years. God will not, cannot, suffer this wicked world much longer.” “The great day is drawing near in which the kingdom of abominations shall be overthrown.” {GC88 303.1}
“This aged world is not far from its end,” said Melancthon. Calvin bids Christians “not to hesitate, ardently desiring the day of Christ’s coming as of all events most auspicious;” and declares that “the whole family of the faithful will keep in view that day.” “We must hunger after Christ, we must seek, contemplate,” he says, “till the dawning of that great day, when our Lord will fully manifest the glory of his kingdom.” {GC88 303.2}
“Has not our Lord Jesus carried up our flesh into Heaven?” said Knox, the Scotch reformer, “and shall he not return? We know that he shall return, and that with expedition.” Ridley and Latimer, who laid down their lives for the truth, looked in faith for the Lord’s coming. Ridley wrote: “The world without doubt—this I do believe, and therefore I say it—draws to an end. Let us with John, the servant of God, cry in our hearts unto our Saviour Christ, Come, Lord Jesus, come.” {GC88 303.3}
“The thoughts of the coming of the Lord,” said Baxter, “are most sweet and joyful to me.” “It is the work of faith and the character of his saints to love his appearing and to look for that blessed hope.” “If death be the last enemy to be destroyed at the resurrection, we may learn how earnestly believers should long and pray for the second coming of Christ, when this full and final conquest shall be made.” “This is the day that all believers should long, and hope, and wait for, as being the accomplishment of all the work of their redemption, and all the desires and endeavors of their souls.” “Hasten, O Lord, this blessed day!” Such was the hope of the apostolic church, of the “church in the wilderness,” and of the reformers. {GC88 303.4}
Prophecy not only foretells the manner and object of Christ’s coming, but presents tokens by which men are to know when it is near. Said Jesus: “There shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars.” [Luke 21:25.] “The sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.” [Mark 13:24-26.] The Revelator thus describes the first of the signs to precede the second advent: “There was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon become as blood.” [Revelation 6:12.] {GC88 304.1}
These signs were witnessed before the opening of the present century. In fulfillment of this prophecy there occurred, in the year 1755, the most terrible earthquake that has ever been recorded. Though commonly known as the earthquake of Lisbon, it extended to the greater part of Europe, Africa, and America. It was felt in Greenland, in the West Indies, in the island of Madeira, in Norway and Sweden, Great Britain and Ireland. It pervaded an extent of not less than four million square miles. In Africa the shock was almost as severe as in Europe. A great part of Algiers was destroyed; and a short distance from Morocco, a village containing eight or ten thousand inhabitants was swallowed up. A vast wave swept over the coast of Spain and Africa, engulfing cities, and causing great destruction. {GC88 304.2}
It was in Spain and Portugal that the shock manifested its extreme violence. At Cadiz the inflowing wave was said to be sixty feet high. Mountains—some of the largest in Portugal—“were impetuously shaken, as it were from the very foundation; and some of them opened at their summits, which were split and rent in a wonderful manner, huge masses of them being thrown down into the subjacent valleys. Flames are related to have issued from these mountains.” {GC88 304.3}

All blessings,

Ron