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Re: [Adventist-fm] Omega Countdown Ministries
Johnny,
Since you are as apparently as deceived as Gar
(if you are not in fact Gar),
I will make a refutation to each of his statements as being used totally out
of context:
Gar says: According to Omega Countdown
Ministries and associates, it is an understatement to say that there is
apostasy in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Therefore the condition of the
Church is worse than that of any other Christian religious body that forms
the end-time Babylon. They even go as far as openly accusing the Seventh-day
Adventist Church as being Babylon never mind the occasions in which Ellen G
White opposed those who made such accusations. Yet they have found a way to
bypass her counsel. I have not found a single case where Ellen G White or
Scripture accuses God's remnant people of being Babylon. It is this charge
against the Church that keeps and Omega Countdown Ministries associates alive.
Ron responds: In Ezekiel 5, which gives some
of the reasons for Ezekiel 9, God says that the church does worse than all
other churches by breaking His statutes more than any other people. Ellen
White agrees with God:
Worse than Babylon -- "God's professed
people are selfish and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in
the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no
knowledge of a better way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 440-442.
Gar says: If the Church is Babylon, it has no reason to exist and the Lord
must raise up a new church as His instrument for these last days. Omega
Countdown Ministries and associates see themselves as spokespersons for those
who perceive that the Church is in apostasy and has become Babylon, and they
believe that they have a divine mandate to catalog and publicize this
apostasy and to call God's people out of the Church. Although I acknowledge
that there is apostasy in the Church—Jesus Himself acknowledged the
co-existence of wheat and tares in the Church— I reject the blatant and
irresponsible accusation that God's Seventh Day Adventist Church is Babylon
and we must come out of her.
Ron responds: There is every reason for the
false, apostate new movement SDA church to exist, just as there is every
reason for all of the other fallen churches to exist after Adventists were
called out of them. They exist until another literal fulfillment of Ezekiel
9, just as the apostate Jewish church continued to exist after the disciples
called the faithful out of them from A.D. 34-66. All fallen churches, even
Rome (Mother Babylon) itself continues to exist until the end of time.
When the disciples gathered out the faithful
from the apostate Jewish church, they did not form another church. There merely
maintained the church Christ had always intended for the Jews, and that is
all separated true Adventists do today.
All true Adventists have a divine mandate
from God Almighty to sigh and cry for all the abominable apostasies in the
church. This mandate is so serious that only those who do so receive the seal
of God and are saved, per Ezekiel 9. I notice that you don't sigh and cry for
the abominations Johnny. That is serious. Do you wish to be saved? Or are you
just here for the sport like Gar?
Jesus did indeed acknowledge the
co-existence of wheat and tares in the church. But Ellen White defined the
tares as mere insincere Christians whose motives we would have to judge in
order to remove them. Ellen White and God plainly stated that open sin should
not be permitted to exist in the church and that open sinners
(thorns--thorny-ground hearers of the Word) would choke out the wheat and
kill it. If open sinning apostates could co-exist in the church, we need not
have ever left the other fallen churches and they need not have left Rome
because of her apostasy. Jesus would never have led His disciples to separate
the faithful Jews into home churches from A.D. 34-66, if open sin could
co-exist with the wheat in the church. Gar cannot dispute these facts and he
never tries because it cannot be done. It is all a matter of history and
common sense. Do you possess the common sense to see this? If you think these
facts can be proven wrong, then by all means do so Johnny, and I will publish
your findings on my Website so you can save all whom you think I am
misleading? Fair enough?
Gar: Ellen White clearly defines for us the requirements that make up
Babylon.
* Belief in the natural immortality of the
soul.
* The eternal torment of the wicked.
* The denial of the pre-existence of Christ
prior to his birth in Bethlehem.
* Advocating and exalting the first day of
the week above God's holy, sanctified day.
* These and kindred errors are presented to
the world by the various churches.. RH, September 12, 1893 par. 20
Babylon fosters poisonous doctrines, the
wine of error. The conditions above DO NOT apply to The Seventh Day Adventist
Church.
Ron responds: Ancient Israel did not imbibe
the above doctrines, yet they fell and Christ called them the Synagogue of
Satan. Ellen White gave quite a number of other abominations by which the
church could become fallen and part of Babylon and thereby worse than Babylon
because SDA's once knew the truth. There would be no consolation to not being
Babylon or a part of Babylon, but ACTUALLY BEING WORSE THAN BABYLON, the
heathen, graven-image worshippers.
Worse than Babylon -- "God's professed people are selfish and
self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than
the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better
way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 440-442.
Gar has done exactly what he accuses me of.
He has carefully selected certain Ellen White statements that applied to two
men in 1893, Stanton and Caldwell, who were then mislabelling the church
Babylon. Gar uses those statements to try to prove that the church could
NEVER become Babylon. But those statements fly in the face of the following
by Ellen White:
Ellen White Babylon statements
If I can produce one statement by Ellen
White that says the church could become Babylon, you are wrong in your
interpretation of other statements you use to say it will never happen! Here
is more than one such statement that the church could become part of Babylon:
"The world must not be introduced
into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through
this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in
Revelation, 'a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to
Ministers, p. 265.
The church was married to the world in the
early 1930's when a few leaders adopted the world's Accreditation Standards
for our educational facilities. Satan could have no finer track to the youth
of the church than through the world's education curriculum.
"If the church of God becomes
LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the
churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of
devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and
hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive the truth,
and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves
the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and
consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive of the plagues
of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God." E.G.
White, Letter 35, 1898.
Did the church become Laodicean? Has the
church remained Laodicean? No! It has become both COLD APOSTATE AND LUKEWARM.
The liberals are cold apostate, and the conservatives are lukewarm.
If Laodicea is not regarded with any more
favor by God than the fallen churches, and the call of Laodicea is to all
churches, then there is no difference between Laodicea and the fallen
churches as far as being in a fallen state is concerned. Different churches
believe different aspects of Babylonian teachings, but Ellen White equates
them all as far as falling from the favor of God is concerned, and as far as
constituting the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and
the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
"We must as a people arouse and cleanse
the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices
are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a
sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and
filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and
will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil?
E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to
Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.
An Adventist Review article says that the
church has the same divorce rate per capita percentage ration as the world.
Does that sound like the unlawful intimacies have been curbed and the camp
has been cleansed?
"In the balances of the sanctuary the
Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the
privileges and advantages that she has had. . . .I saw our Instructor
pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them of, He
laid bare he defilement beneath. Then He said to me: 'Can you not see how
they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of
character? How is the faithful city become an harlot?" E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 8, pp. 247-250.
Can anyone tell me when the church reformed
and revived from its harlot stance?
"The church cannot measure herself by
the world nor by the opinion of men nor by what she ONCE was. Her faith and
her position in the world as they NOW ARE must be COMPARED (JUDGED) with what
they would have been if her course had been continually onward and upward.
The church will be weighed in the balances of the sanctuary. If her moral
character and spiritual state do not correspond with the benefits and
blessings God has conferred upon her, SHE WILL BE FOUND WANTING."
Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 83, 84.
"When this church is weighed in the
balances of the sanctuary, it is found wanting, having left its first
love....What is the fatal deficiency?--'Thou has left thy first love...'
The light that gladdened your heart when you
first understood the message for this time is an essential element in your
experience and labors, and this has been lost out of your heart and life.
Christ beholds your lack of zeal, and declares that you have FALLEN, and are
in a perilous position." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, pp.
462-3.
If the church violates any one of the above,
it is worse than Babylon. It can easily be proven that the church has
violated every one of the above statements. So it would be wiser to study
into the issue as to why and how the church has committed these abominations
for which we are to sigh and cry, and for which she is brought down to hell,
and for which Ezekiel 9 will literally begin at her sanctuaries around the
world.
Gar quotes: "God has made His church on the earth a channel of light,
and through it He communicates His purposes and His will. He does not give to
one of His servants an experience independent of and contrary to the
experience of the church itself. Neither does He give one man a knowledge of
His will for the entire church while the church—Christ's body—is left in
darkness . . . . "There have ever been in the church those who are
constantly inclined toward individual independence. They seem unable to
realize that independence of spirit is liable to lead the human agent to have
too much confidence in himself and to trust in his own judgment rather than
to respect the counsel and highly esteem the judgment of his brethren,
especially of those in the offices that God has appointed for the leadership
of His people. God has invested His church with special authority and power
which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising, for he who does
this despises the voice of God. "Those who are inclined to regard their
individual judgment as supreme are in grave peril."—AA 163, 164.
Ron responds: It is extremely important to
know what God defines as His church on earth. He said it is those who keep
His commandments and heed the Laodicean message. He says that it is where two
or three gather together in quest of those fidelities to Him. He says it is
those who sigh and cry for all the abominations.
My message is not a ONE MAN knowledge of His
will. There are men all over the world who have studied the Word of God and
come to the same conclusion based on all the evidence being interpreted so
that nothing contradicts. There are many ministries like mine whose leaders
have never heard of me and my ministry. So God has taken the reins in His own
hands as Ellen White prophesied that He would. Ellen White said that the
organized church establishment would be His voice as long as they obeyed His
voice. But committing serious, unpardonable sin abominations, is not obeying
the voice of God. Therefore, the church ceased to be the voice of God when it
committed such abominations. If you don't know what those abominations are, I
suggest that you make it a huge priority in your life to find out, because
sighing and over them is a condition for receiving the seal of God and being
saved. This applies to any who read this.
Gar says: The financial support of these
rogue organizations comes, not only from their own earnings, nor only from
the offerings of church members, but also from tithes. Some of their
publications redefine the "storehouse" to be any instrument of God
that is proclaiming "unadulterated present truth." The influence of
such literature is to encourage members to redirect their tithe away from
those actually giving the Three Angels Messages to the world such as
"Amazing Facts" "Secret Unsealed" and "Amazing
Discoveries" instead with these apostate ministries such as Omega
Countdown Ministries use tithe funds on homes and lands.
Gar is referring to God's true reformers as
rogue organizations. With his spirit, if he had lived in the days of the
disciples, he would call their "independent" home churches rogue
organizations if he were consistent.
Ellen White said when to support the "regular lines," meaning the
organized, establishment church, to wit:
Regular lines - “So often the same old difficulties arise and are
presented in regard to disturbing the ‘regular lines.’ But God will work in
some way to make His people understand that THE REGULAR LINES HAVE BECOME
FULL OF IRREGULAR PRACTICES…God alone can make men understand that working on
REGULAR LINES has led to IRREGULAR PRACTICES. God alone can make men’s
minds as they should be. The time has come when we should hear less in
favor of the REGULAR LINES. If we can GET AWAY FROM THE REGULAR LINES
into something which, THOUGH IRREGULAR, IS AFTER GOD’S ORDER, it may cut away
something of the IRREGULAR WORKING which has led away from Bible
principles.” E.G. White, Manuscript Release, #1450, p. 3, 4, 1901.
“When we see the regular lines are altered and purified and refined, and the
God of the heavens mold is upon the regular lines, then it is our business to
establish the regular lines.” E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan Collection, p. 162-168.
“The present showing is sufficient to prove to all who have the true
missionary spirit that the regular lines [organization] may prove to be a
failure.” E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan
Collection, p. 175. Written to Brother Daniels, June 28, 1901.
“The regular lines had need to be broken as a potter’s vessel is broken, and
reconstructed.” Ms. 29, 1903. pp. 1, 3 (General
Manuscript, The Southern Work, undated).
"There are fearful woes for those who preach the truth, but are not
sanctified by it, and also for those who consent to receive and maintain the
unsanctified to minister to them in word and doctrine." Testimonies, vol. 1, p 261-62.
If you pay your sacred tithe and offerings
to any church that embraces two or more gospels, then you lend support to
"another gospel", a false gospel. Is this "doing what you can
to correct the evil"?
Tithe “Clearly, plainly, earnestly,
tell them how thousands of men and women are using God's money to corrupt
themselves and to make this world a hell. Millions of dollars are spent for
that which makes men mad. Present this matter so clearly that its force
cannot but be seen. Then tell your hearers of the Saviour, who came to this
world to save men and women from all sinful practices. "God so loved the
world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him
should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Evangelism, p. 530
Tithe Chap. 191 - The Gift God Accepts
Give, and it shall
be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and
running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that
ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke 6:38. {OHC 197.1}
Gar says: Omega Countdown Ministries and associates pride themselves in their
profuse use of the writings of Ellen G White to support their teachings. But
they select statements that seem to support themselves, while disregarding
other statements in which activities such as theirs are clearly condemned by
Ellen G White. Her overriding support of the organized Seventh-day Adventist
Church is intentionally ignored by Omega Countdown Ministries and associates,
or explained away as irrelevant for us today.
Ron responds: It is Gar and SDA apostate
leaders who select certain E.G. White statements out of context and misapply
them to the church today in order to commit all manner of apostasy and still
convince the members to remain as members no matter what the church does.
This has occurred ever since Ellen White's death. Those leaders and the laity
that follows them like Gar, never deal with ALL the abominations for which we
are to sigh and cry, for the most serious is ecumenical liaison with Babylon
which is strictly forbidden by the Word and which is unpardonable sin if one
believes God in Jeremiah 11:9-15, wherein the Jews joined in with God's enemy
by conspiring with them. Then God said not to even pray for them. That
connotes unpardonable sin. And for those who believe Ellen White, she said
that the example of Jeremiah 11 would have a COUNTERPART in the last days.
Adventists are the only people who qualify as being a counterpart to the Jews
for both were a "chosen" people and both regarded themselves as
God's commandment-keeping people and as His remnant.
Ellen White said that all who know of the
Midnight Cry (Matthew 25:1-5) and the second angel's messages, and yet
violate them after accepting and understanding them, will find it IMPOSSIBLE
to get back on the pathway to heaven. The church has done just that while her
members slept. All who follow suit in defending her will find it impossible
to get back on the path to heaven. That is where Gar finds himself after vacillating
between the truth of this warning 9 times over the last ten years. He sealed
his destiny the first time. At times he has adamantly defended what I teach
for a period of time. Then, just as adamantly he has declared it to be of
Satan. He is an unstable and untrustworthy man, and certainly not the type of
person you should trust your salvation to by accepting his distortions of
truth.
Gar said: All agree that there is serious
need for revival and reformation in God's Church, but the methods used by
Omega Countdown Ministries and associates have produced dissonance instead of
reform. When assessed by their fruits, Omega Countdown Ministries and
associates has done nothing but to carry forward Satan's plan of reducing the
Adventist in to splinters as was revealed to Roger Morneau. The Church is not
perfect, but there is wisdom in listening to its advice. We appeal, in
Christian love, for a turn of heart and purpose that will bring Omega
Countdown Ministries and associates into full unity with the body of Christ,
the Remnant Church.
Ron responds: When a church commits
unpardonable sin apostasy by removing God, pillar doctrines, and joins
Babylon's confederacies, there is no longer opportunity for revival and
reformation. Such an organization is no longer God's church. There is no
wisdom in listening to the advice of any church that has removed God and
pillar doctrines as well as re-uniting itself to Babylon's associations,
counsels/councils, girdings and confederacies, Isaiah 9-16.
Nor have Gar's appeals been in a spirit of
Christian love. Over the years he has been just plain Satanic in his spirit
towards all he does not agree with. That same spirit has been exhibited on
this forum but he has tamed it down some from what he was like on SDAIssues
for years. It is not the spirit of love to misappropriate the Word and Ellen
White in order to persuade folk to remain in an apostate new movement we were
never to join in the first place. Satan knew Adventists would not do that by
leaving the church, so he "came in AMONG" the church and did a
Trojan Horse job on it while all the ten virgins slept very soundly.
If Omega Countdown Ministries and associates
cannot bring themselves into harmony with the body of the world Church, then
I fear the worst for them when God's wrath is poured out
I TOLD HER [MRS. LIDA SCOTT] HOW MOTHER
REGARDED THE EXPERIENCE OF THE REMNANT CHURCH, AND OF HER POSITIVE TEACHING
THAT GOD WOULD NOT PERMIT THIS DENOMINATION TO SO FULLY APOSTATIZE THAT THERE
WOULD BE THE COMING OUT OF ANOTHER CHURCH.--W. C. White to E. E. Andross, May
23, 1915, White Estate Correspondence File. {LDE 56.4}
Gar
Ron responds: We cannot accept Willie
White's supposed "hearsay" over God's Word and other serious
statements by his mother as to the ultimate outcome of the SDA church
militant:
God's Word clearly states in Isaiah 37:31,
32 that a remnant would go forth out of Jerusalem, the apostate church. That
is what happened from A.D. 34-66 in the case with apostate Israel. That is
what will happen again. God expressly states in Ezekiel 22:17-31 that the
church will not be cleansed in the day of indignation that is at the very end
of time, Rev. 14:10-12. Gar and most SDA's misinterpret Ellen White to say
that it will be cleansed--that all the bad will leave the church to leave it
purged and purified. That is not true and if it were, why then does Ezekiel 9
begin at its sanctuaries, 5T, 211? Why did Ellen White say the church would
be brought down to hell? Why did Ellen White say:
Who is modern Israel (below) in your estimation?
"Study the 9th
chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is
passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to
be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who
have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to
bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God
is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted
before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for
eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland
and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases
Volume One, p. 260.
“The time will
soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy
should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1303.
The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880:
“The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.”
“The desolation of
Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given
them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with
impunity.” Prophets and Kings, 416.
“In some cases, BEFORE the time specified in the decree, enemies will
rush upon the waiting ones to put them to death.” E.G. White, The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy,
p. 447.
Why did Ellen White give the following
outcome of the church
"Jesus
sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for
his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great
plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud
voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come
and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains
of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].
The angel
represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a
class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit
and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of
earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of
the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had
REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described
by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day
should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the
children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4,
5].
The watchmen
upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the
Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the
first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease,
dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins.
Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with
pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance
of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and
faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking.
Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism,
vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes
to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his
faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES
from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his
promises were NOT FULFILLED to them." E.G. White, The
Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The
Great Controversy, 199, 200].
The 1884
edition of The Great Controversy, was written for Adventists only.
I pray that you will prayerfully consider these serious facts
and study them out as if your eternal life depended upon it BECAUSE IT DOES.
God bless,
Ron
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