Did God Call the SDA Church a Harlot of Babylon in 1903?
Click to go to our Home PageSome SDA's believe that Ellen White in no way ever intimated that the church could or would ever become part of Babylon. That is not true. Just look up every statement by Ellen White mentioning "the cage of every unclean and hateful bird." This is language Scripture strictly uses to identify Babylon. Ellen White made conditional statements as to how and why the SDA church could become a sister to fallen Babylon. But did Ellen White ever say that the church was part of Babylon in her day? No, but God did. God, through Ellen White, called the church a harlot in 1903, 8T 250. The Mother Whore (harlot) is Babylon and any other harlot churches are her daughters. These daughters are sisters. There is no harlot that is not a part of Babylon. Thus Ellen White called the church a harlot of Babylon in 1903. In 1909, she said Ezekiel 9 would be literally fulfilled. "In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. . . .I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them of, He laid bare he defilement beneath. Then He said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character? How is the faithful city become an harlot?" E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 8, pp. 247-250. No manipulation. Just the plain statement. Check it out for yourselves! A harlot is a harlot is a harlot OF BABYLON--the synagogue of Satan. The Prime
Objection to My Interpretation of the Above Ellen White Statement
Defenders of the apostate church cry out that Ellen White was merely calling for a reformation and that indeed a reformation in and of the church would occur. There will be a revival of primitive godliness in all churches at the time of the Loud Cry to come out of Babylon and any church that is part of her. However, the fallen churches, including the professing SDA Church militant, will never reform. Consider:
Satan's
Counterfeit City and Temple
Satan's city counterfeit of the Heavenly New Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22, 23), is Babylon. His Temple is labeled by Scripture as The Synagogue of Satan. Any church that is part of that Synagogue is either Satan's wife, Rome, the counterfeit of Christ's bride, Zion, or one of her daughter harlots--any fallen church. There is not a separate brothel for SDAs. There is not a separate brothel for the Jews and Adventists! That is why Jesus said of the Jews that they were of the Synagogue of Satan and of their Father the devil. There is ONE DEVIL. There is one Synagogue of Satan. There is ONE city that is symbolic of his kingdom--Babylon. Father=Satan Mother=Rome Daughters=apostate Protestant harlot daughters Sons=Non Christian religions, secret societies, infidels and atheists. Kingdom=Babylon--error confusion. Are SDA's confused? This forum is a microcosm answer to that question. Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Let's analyze the following statement for the church's edification: "In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. . . .I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them of, He laid bare he defilement beneath. Then He said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character? How is the faithful city become an harlot?" E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 8, pp. 247-250.
Two men by the names Stanton and Caldwell were running ahead of the angel in 1893, and calling the church Babylon, when Ellen White said that the church was heeding the Laodicean Message and keeping the commandments of God. That was the context of all her warnings against calling the church Babylon--every one of them! She said, where would we go to improve on a church that was already keeping the commandments and heeding the Laodicean message? But ten years later in 1903, she called the church a harlot. Six years later in 1909, she said that the church's weighing in the balances would result in another literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. Is Ron missing a beat? Not one! Is Ron misrepresenting Ellen White and Scripture? Not in the least. Ellen White did not say until later how the church would be judged. She said in Oakland, California, 1909, that it would be judged by another literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, notice the date at the end of the quote: "Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260. Folks, you just read Ellen White's prophecy of the result of the church being weighed in the balances of the Sanctuary. I do not weigh the church according to my human scales as some have charge me, I just quote Ellen White's findings above! Don't believe me. Believe Ellen White and Ezekiel 5 and 9. Don't just believe Ellen White, believe God in Scripture. It was Ellen White who said A.D. 70 was a PREFIGURE (Great Controversy, p. 25). It was Ellen White who said that Ezekiel 9 would receive another LITERAL FULFILLMENT. So we must be as literally true to the PREFIGURE AS POSSIBLE allowing that the final fulfillment will be the worst thing God has ever done (Ezekiel 5:9) which occurs at the end-time (Matt. 24:21). Ellen White's Reaction to the Alpha of Apostasy in 1905 "There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5. The context of the above statement is during the time of the Kellogg crisis--the Alpha of Apostasy. When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church, what did they do where did they meet for worship? "Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108. The example of Israel was a PREFIGURE. God said that Judah and Israel played the harlot. A harlot is a member of Babylon. Rome is the Mother, her daughters are apostate religions. Ellen White called the church a harlot in 1903. She told Haskell to take people as far away as possible from the church and form a home church in 1905, at the height of the Alpha of Apostasy. What would she do now in the Omega? For playing the harlot, Christ called Israel the Synagogue of Satan. Satan has only one synagogue. That synagogue is the counterfeit of the heavenly New Jerusalem. Satan's synagogue is symbolized by the city Babylon--confusion. The Heavenly church is symbolized by New Jerusalem. Jer 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen [that] which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. Eze 16:28 Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. Eze 23:5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians [her] neighbours, Eze 23:19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. Scripture gives accounts of Christ taking people out of the apostate Jerusalem church and starting home churches even before Israel's probation was over--7 years before its probation was over and 43 years before the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed. That was all part of the PREFIGURE. Ellen White said it was a PREFIGURE. Scripture said it was an ENSAMPLE, an example for us. When do we Leave the Apostate Church? Some say: Not so simple for the following reasons:
Prove Position From Scripture First
Before Using Ellen White It is okay to quote Ellen White as long as we can substantiate our position from Scripture per the following qualification: Here is one of Ellen White's admonitions on quoting her. "But don't you quote Sister White. I don't want you EVER to quote Sister White UNTIL you get your vantage ground where you know where you are. Quote the Bible. Talk the Bible. It is full of meat, full of fatness. Carry it right out in your life, and you will know more Bible than you know now. You will have fresh matter - O, you will have precious matter you won't be going over and over the same ground..." E. G. White, Spalding and Magan Collection, p. 174. The Outcome of the SDA Church From the
Bible--Then the Spirit of Prophecy Proof absolute from Scripture, as to the outcome of the SDA church militant, is very easily achieved. Ezekiel 5:9 updates the chapter of Ezekiel to an end-time application, for that is when God does the worst thing He ever does, see Matthew 24:21. So Ezekiel chapters 5 and 9 are relevant. So is Ezekiel 22:17-31. So are the following verses: Eze 22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof [are] like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, [and] to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. Zep 3:3 Her princes within her [are] roaring lions; her judges [are] evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow. In Ezekiel 5:1-3, the entire church is destroyed after a remnant escapes. Ezekiel 9 is another take on Ezekiel 5. Jerusalem, the church, is destroyed just as it was in A.D. 70. So from Ezekiel 5 and 9, we find the outcome of the church. It is that simple. So now that we have Scripture proof, let us confirm that from Ellen White. Ellen White on Ezekiel 9 "Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260. "And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, than for thee." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, vol. 3, p. 69, col. 3. Another Coming Out: "As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out." Ellen G. White, The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, Vol. 1, p. 356-7. The SDA pioneers hoped that Jesus would come in their day and that thus there would not be the need of another coming out. She said that could have occurred if SDA's had been faithful. But Ellen White was finally shown the light of Ezekiel 5 and 9. There is not a particle of a doubt now, that there is indeed another coming out from a church that is immersed in the Omega of Apostasy, that has "removed God," 1 Selected Messages, p. 204-5. And how long will the Omega of Apostasy last?: "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57). The entire context of the above statement involves the Omega of Apostasy in the SDA church. Most members do not have a clue as to all the elements contituting that apostasy. Why? Because they are sleeping foolish virgins: "The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E. G. White, Review and Herald Articles, Vol. 2, 420. Who Awakens ALL TEN Virgins--Both, Wise
and Foolish? In Matthew 25, we find that ALL THOSE VIRGINS SLEPT. How do we find FROM SCRIPTURE FIRST, who it is that awakens the ten virgins, and what is the awakening message voiced to them--ALL THEN. Let's go to Isaiah 62. In verse 1, we find that the chapter is speaking of Zion. Notice the following attributes of Zion:
The Awakening of the Ten Virgins From a
Spirit of Prophecy Perspective Now that we have proven who awakens the ten virgins from Scripture--Mother Zion, giving an awakening call to her 10 virgin daughters, let's see if Ellen White agrees with Scripture: "Lingering near [not at] the bride's house are ten young women robed in white. Each carries a lighted lamp and a small flagon for oil. All are anxiously watching for the appearance of the bridegroom. But there is a delay [since 1844]. Hour after hour passes the watchers become weary and fall asleep. At midnight the cry is heard, 'Behold, the bridegroom cometh go ye out to meet him.' The sleepers [all ten slept Matt. 25:5], suddenly awaking, spring to ther feet. They see the procession moving on, bright with torches and glad with music. They hear the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride. The ten maidens seize their lamps and begin to trim them, in haste to go forth, But five have neglected to fill their flasks with oil [character]. They did not anticipate so long a delay, and they have not prepared for the emergence." E. G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, pp. 405, 406. If the voice of the bride awakens the 10 virgins, then the bride is a separate entity, who is awake before the awakening of the 10 virgins. This is attested to in Isaiah 62:11, where the mother, Zion, says the same thing, in similar other words, to her daughter. Only Zion, Philadelphia, New Jerusalem, the Bride, the 144,000, the Firstfruits [Firstborn] go into the Temple on Mt. Zion. Early Writings, p. 19. "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar IN THE TEMPLE of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is NEW JERUSALEM, which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my NEW NAME." Rev. 3:12. Conclusions Zion consists of the earthly representatives of the heavenly church of Hebrews 12:22, 23. They are like heavenly messengers who awaken the 10 virgin church militants of guests. Only Zion goes into the Temple on Mt. Zion, as only the priests of the earthly Sanctuary, went into the Temple. "And as we were about to enter the holy temple, Jesus raised His lovely voice and said, 'Only the 144,000 enter this place," and we shouted, 'Allleluia." E. G. White, Early Writings, 19. The following defined "little company" standing in the light, is the bride, Zion. She calls MEMBERS of the church who are doing after the manner of the world, out of the church. A small remnant will respond to her call. She makes that call to all churches and to the world. Why does the call go to all churches? Because according to Isaiah 4:1-4, seven women (women being the Bible symbol of churches) and seven being God's number designating ALL INCLUSIVENESS, are doing their own thing--wearing their own Laodicean apparel of self-righteousness, and eating their own break, their own man made doctrines and commandments in lieu of God's. "The leaven if godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest, the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are done in the land. But MORE ESPECIALLY will their prayers arise in behalf of the church because ITS MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the world." Testimonies, vol. 5, 209, 210. More Arguments for Remaining in the
Church by Karl Wagner ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Wagner@yahoogroups.com To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com> <P>Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] Re: Proof--Scripture Evidence
But to call people out now, why just look at the SDA Reform church that came out during WWI. They were truly treated unfairly. I mean, the church leaderes told Germany that their church members would 1)Carry weapons and kill people and 2) do it on the SABBATH!. About 2,000 or so said, "Nothing doing..." and the church disfellowshipped them! They had every right it seems to call the church
Babylon, which they did. Trying to make amends and rejoin the Corparate body in about 1920, A.G. Daniels refused to
even bring it to the delegates...because the reform group refused to
capitulate on calling the church Babylon. Hence, they orgainized
their own Now as their eyes begin to turn toward celebrating their first 100 years in existance as being the true SDA church (in their eyes) one has only to ask, "has wolves entered in?" The answer is of course yes. They have in fact become worse then the church they split from over 80 years ago. This is not what God would have. God reproves His church, and warns His church but His church will move from Church Millitant to Church Triumphant and will do so at the end. It is not meant to be creating all these off-shoots in the meantime. It only leads to confusion and infighting which makes Satan happy. Karl Ron responds: Karl, I fully agree that there will never be another organization for it too would become invested with wolves--corrupt leaders and members who support them. But there are more than one serious hitch to your conclusions: First of all, this is not 1922. In maintaining that any called out people would only become as corrupt as those they were called out of, you indict Jesus as being errant for calling out His disciples and all who followed them out. You indict Protestants for the Reformation and their coming out of Catholicism. Why did they come out if they were just to become the protestant daughter harlots of Mother Rome? You indict Adventists for coming out of apostasy corruption in 1844. The SDA Reform Movement was dead wrong in 1922, because the church had not yet committed the Omega of Apostasy. Breaking the commandments of God is not Omega Apostasy, or the church would have nearly always been guilty of that apostasy! Jesus led by way of example concerning what took place in the PREFIGURE of the destruction of Jerusalem. He led folk out 7 years BEFORE THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, when He said to His disciples--FOLLOW ME. He took folk out and established home churches 43 years before the true Christians fled to the mountains, which is what Ellen White equates with the Sunday Law. So we have a prefigure example to follow. What is different with home churches. Why did Ellen White advocate their establishment in the Alpha? For the following reasons:
These are just some of the reason why the bride leaves first, and then calls out the ten-virgins who will be called out to be martyrs. If you do not want to strive to be the bride, then prepare for martyrdom, IF YOU HAVE THE OPTION? I say that those who do not respond to the call when they hear it are doomed. They stay and do not warn others. If they did, they would be thrown out. I know that for sure--I have seen too many proof examples. So for their unfaithfulness in not warning other, they are lost. Read Ezekiel 3:17-21. That is profoundly why I believe those who will not come out when they hear the call, are doomed! These are very serious issues. Imagine the disciples saying to Christ, when He called them---Sorry, Master, we're going to wait until the Romans show up and then we will follow you out! Serious Issues these, God bless, Ron Beaulieu
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