| What SDA's are Holding as Requirements for Their Church to be in a Fallen StateClick to go to our Home PageDear Reader, The following is an exchange I had with
  Bryan Bissell on an SDA internet forum. What Bryan says is typical of the
  belief of most SDA’s regarding the issue as to what would constitute their
  church as being in a fallen state and to being a sister to fallen Babylon.
  Bryan and most SDA’s maintains that the church would
  have to discard its pillar doctrines and teach the erroneous doctrines of the
  fallen Babylonian churches in order to be in a fallen condition itself. This
  is a total contradiction of God and the Spirit of Prophecy, which I prove
  beyond any particle of a doubt. Ron Beaulieu ----- Original Message
  -----  From: Mr
  Bryan Bissell  Sent: Tuesday,
  September 18, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
  Re: Fallen Babylon in 1844? correction...I should say twice it was done or will
  be done..once in Jesus time and in the coming out of
  Babylon command. There is no command or prophecy in the Bible of another
  coming out beyond that.  EGW states that it might be possible..but
  the Sabbath must be rejected/treated lightly and several other major pillars removed..things which have just not happened. Bryan Forum,   The post below depicts just how ignorant
  SDA's can be. Bryan and most SDA’s have been teaching for years that the
  church would have to reject all its pillar doctrines and replace them with
  the erroneous doctrines of Babylon in order for it to fall. That is proven to
  be a colossal lie of lies in my post below. I prove it beyond any particle of
  a doubt!   Ron   ----- Original
  Message -----  From: Ron Beaulieu  Sent: Tuesday,
  September 18, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
  Re: Fallen Babylon in 1844? The Sabbath has been treated lightly by
  the GC making an agreement with the WCC and its subsidiaries not to agitate
  the Sabbath issue. The Three angel's messages have been betrayed by the GC
  making similar agreement not to agitate the issue of Rome being the Beast
  power. Vance Ferrell says that he has proof of this. Get your church to sue
  him for his proof. They can then shut down his multi-million dollar book and
  independent ministry operation. He has thousands upon thousands who pay him
  tithe and offerings.   You are DEAD WRONG Bryan in saying that
  all the pillars would have to be removed! All the pillars do not have to
  be removed in order for any church to fall. It merely has to come into
  alliance with fallen Babylon. I merely has to remain
  Laodicean as the following statement testifies:   Bryan Bissell,
  you and all SDA’s who teach as you do on this issue are contradicting
  both God and Ellen White. God says that He will spew Laodicea out if
  she does not repent of her Laodiceanism, lukewarmness. That is all it takes friend!
  You and most SDA’s are saying that it would take the refutation of every
  pillar doctrine, PLUS THE ADOPTION OF THE DOCTRINES OF BABYLON. YOU BOTH ARE
  DEAD WRONG!    "If the church
  of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any
  more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become
  the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of
  every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and
  receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church,
  calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no
  more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will
  receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the
  law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.   Ron   ----- Original
  Message -----  From: Mr Bryan Bissell  Sent: Tuesday,
  September 18, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
  Re: Fallen Babylon in 1844? correction...I should say twice it was done or will be done..once in Jesus time and in the coming out of
  Babylon command. There is no command or prophecy in the Bible of another
  coming out beyond that.  EGW states that it might be possible..but
  the Sabbath must be rejected/treated lightly and several other major pillars removed..things which have just not happened. Bryan ----- Original Message ---- Bryan,   My point
  EXACTLY! Christ and the disciples worshipping in homes did not establish a
  new church. It preserved the church Christ intended in the first place! Jesus
  "gathered out" of the apostate church.
  When SDA's gathered out of the fallen churches in 1844, they were no longer
  members of those churches worshipping at home!    "Christ
  was a protestant.. .The
  Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated
  themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers
  did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by
  Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and
  Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.   Paul left   "And as
  they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into
  the synagogue, and spake
  boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things
  concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not,
  but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and
  separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus."
  Acts, 19:8, 9.    "Fearing
  that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association
  with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the
  disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p.
  286.    "The
  recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes
  yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and,
  laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of
  Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for
  their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went
  from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they
  at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this
  would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations
  practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times,
  vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.  Ron   ----- Original Message -----  From: Ron Beaulieu  Sent: Tuesday,
  September 18, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
  Re: Women to function officially at all levels and in all roles in SDA Church Bryan wrote: "And you have not
  the least idea of what actually constitutes credible proof."  Bryan   Ron responds: I know that the
  following message to the seventh church, Laodicea, does not mean that it will
  have to forsake all its pillar doctrines and adopt ALL THE DOCTRINES OF
  BABYLON in order to fall and be spewed out! The sharpening of
  the two-edged sword is a-hastening on these days! 14 And unto
  the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the
  Amen, the faithful and true
  witness, the
  beginning of the creation of God;  15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to
  buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the
  shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou
  mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear
  my voice, and open
  the door, I will come in to him,
  and will sup with him,
  and he
  with me. 21 To
  him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his
  throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let
  him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. "The
  state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as
  the Laodicean state." E.G. White, Review
  and Herald, 8/19/1890. We
  know that the foolish virgins are not saved. The SDA church is proud that it
  is Laodicean and believes that it, as the last and seventh church will go
  through to the kingdom. This is indeed a cherished error.   "The
  church is in the Laodicean state. The
  presence of God is not in her midst." E.G. White, Notebook
  Leaflets,
  p. 99, 1898.   "To
  the end of time, the presence of
  the Spirit is to abide with
  the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55. “From
  the beginning, faithful souls have
  constituted the church on earth. 
  In every age the Lord has had His watchmen, who have borne a faithful
  testimony to the generation in which they lived.  These sentinels gave the message of
  warning; and when they were called to lay off their armor, others took up the
  work.  God brought these witnesses into
  covenant relation with Himself, uniting the church on earth with the church
  in heaven.  He has sent forth His
  angels to minister to His church, and the gates of hell have not been able to prevail against His people.”  E.G. White, The Acts of the Apostles, p.
  12.  The
  SDA church has progressed from a lukewarm Laodicean state to a cold, apostate
  stance by forming a new movement that has removed God (E.G. White, Selected
  Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5). Ellen White says in the same reference that
  “nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement.” She says
  in another reference that the omega of apostasy would surely develop and wax
  stronger until Jesus comes. Thus, the professing SDA church has committed
  unpardonable sin and will continue in its cold apostate state.  Ellen
  White also says that ALL the other professing Christian churches are
  Laodicean as well. The final Loud Cry of Matthew 25,
  is a call out of all fallen churches. Only those who obey that call will be
  saved. God said through the Scriptures and Ellen White that if the church
  remained Laodicean, let alone cold apostate, that this would be the only
  requirement for it to be spewed out. Many SDA’s are adding to those words.
  Many professing Christians of all faiths are adding to those words in order
  to comfort themselves in lukewarm, rich increased with goods comfort. God bless, Ron   |