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Dear Reader, The following is an exchange I had with
Bryan Bissell on an SDA internet forum. What Bryan says is typical of the
belief of most SDA’s regarding the issue as to what would constitute their
church as being in a fallen state and to being a sister to fallen Babylon.
Bryan and most SDA’s maintains that the church would
have to discard its pillar doctrines and teach the erroneous doctrines of the
fallen Babylonian churches in order to be in a fallen condition itself. This
is a total contradiction of God and the Spirit of Prophecy, which I prove
beyond any particle of a doubt. Ron Beaulieu ----- Original Message
----- From: Mr
Bryan Bissell Sent: Tuesday,
September 18, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
Re: Fallen Babylon in 1844? correction...I should say twice it was done or will
be done..once in Jesus time and in the coming out of
Babylon command. There is no command or prophecy in the Bible of another
coming out beyond that. EGW states that it might be possible..but
the Sabbath must be rejected/treated lightly and several other major pillars removed..things which have just not happened. Bryan Forum, The post below depicts just how ignorant
SDA's can be. Bryan and most SDA’s have been teaching for years that the
church would have to reject all its pillar doctrines and replace them with
the erroneous doctrines of Babylon in order for it to fall. That is proven to
be a colossal lie of lies in my post below. I prove it beyond any particle of
a doubt! Ron ----- Original
Message ----- From: Ron Beaulieu Sent: Tuesday,
September 18, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
Re: Fallen Babylon in 1844? The Sabbath has been treated lightly by
the GC making an agreement with the WCC and its subsidiaries not to agitate
the Sabbath issue. The Three angel's messages have been betrayed by the GC
making similar agreement not to agitate the issue of Rome being the Beast
power. Vance Ferrell says that he has proof of this. Get your church to sue
him for his proof. They can then shut down his multi-million dollar book and
independent ministry operation. He has thousands upon thousands who pay him
tithe and offerings. You are DEAD WRONG Bryan in saying that
all the pillars would have to be removed! All the pillars do not have to
be removed in order for any church to fall. It merely has to come into
alliance with fallen Babylon. I merely has to remain
Laodicean as the following statement testifies: Bryan Bissell,
you and all SDA’s who teach as you do on this issue are contradicting
both God and Ellen White. God says that He will spew Laodicea out if
she does not repent of her Laodiceanism, lukewarmness. That is all it takes friend!
You and most SDA’s are saying that it would take the refutation of every
pillar doctrine, PLUS THE ADOPTION OF THE DOCTRINES OF BABYLON. YOU BOTH ARE
DEAD WRONG! "If the church
of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any
more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become
the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of
every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and
receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church,
calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no
more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will
receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the
law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898. Ron ----- Original
Message ----- From: Mr Bryan Bissell Sent: Tuesday,
September 18, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
Re: Fallen Babylon in 1844? correction...I should say twice it was done or will be done..once in Jesus time and in the coming out of
Babylon command. There is no command or prophecy in the Bible of another
coming out beyond that. EGW states that it might be possible..but
the Sabbath must be rejected/treated lightly and several other major pillars removed..things which have just not happened. Bryan ----- Original Message ---- Bryan, My point
EXACTLY! Christ and the disciples worshipping in homes did not establish a
new church. It preserved the church Christ intended in the first place! Jesus
"gathered out" of the apostate church.
When SDA's gathered out of the fallen churches in 1844, they were no longer
members of those churches worshipping at home! "Christ
was a protestant.. .The
Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated
themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers
did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by
Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. Paul left "And as
they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into
the synagogue, and spake
boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things
concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not,
but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and
separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus."
Acts, 19:8, 9. "Fearing
that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association
with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the
disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p.
286. "The
recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes
yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and,
laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of
Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for
their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went
from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they
at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this
would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations
practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times,
vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Beaulieu Sent: Tuesday,
September 18, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [SDAIssues]
Re: Women to function officially at all levels and in all roles in SDA Church Bryan wrote: "And you have not
the least idea of what actually constitutes credible proof." Bryan Ron responds: I know that the
following message to the seventh church, Laodicea, does not mean that it will
have to forsake all its pillar doctrines and adopt ALL THE DOCTRINES OF
BABYLON in order to fall and be spewed out! The sharpening of
the two-edged sword is a-hastening on these days! 14 And unto
the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the
Amen, the faithful and true
witness, the
beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to
buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the
shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou
mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear
my voice, and open
the door, I will come in to him,
and will sup with him,
and he
with me. 21 To
him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his
throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let
him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. "The
state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as
the Laodicean state." E.G. White, Review
and Herald, 8/19/1890. We
know that the foolish virgins are not saved. The SDA church is proud that it
is Laodicean and believes that it, as the last and seventh church will go
through to the kingdom. This is indeed a cherished error. "The
church is in the Laodicean state. The
presence of God is not in her midst." E.G. White, Notebook
Leaflets,
p. 99, 1898. "To
the end of time, the presence of
the Spirit is to abide with
the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55. “From
the beginning, faithful souls have
constituted the church on earth.
In every age the Lord has had His watchmen, who have borne a faithful
testimony to the generation in which they lived. These sentinels gave the message of
warning; and when they were called to lay off their armor, others took up the
work. God brought these witnesses into
covenant relation with Himself, uniting the church on earth with the church
in heaven. He has sent forth His
angels to minister to His church, and the gates of hell have not been able to prevail against His people.” E.G. White, The Acts of the Apostles, p.
12. The
SDA church has progressed from a lukewarm Laodicean state to a cold, apostate
stance by forming a new movement that has removed God (E.G. White, Selected
Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5). Ellen White says in the same reference that
“nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement.” She says
in another reference that the omega of apostasy would surely develop and wax
stronger until Jesus comes. Thus, the professing SDA church has committed
unpardonable sin and will continue in its cold apostate state. Ellen
White also says that ALL the other professing Christian churches are
Laodicean as well. The final Loud Cry of Matthew 25,
is a call out of all fallen churches. Only those who obey that call will be
saved. God said through the Scriptures and Ellen White that if the church
remained Laodicean, let alone cold apostate, that this would be the only
requirement for it to be spewed out. Many SDA’s are adding to those words.
Many professing Christians of all faiths are adding to those words in order
to comfort themselves in lukewarm, rich increased with goods comfort. God bless, Ron |