Satan’s Internet “Plants” on SDA Forums – Rebuttal #1

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The Lord has shown me that Satan has planted certain individuals on every SDA Internet forum to function as his agents to spread a misinterpretation of Bible and Ellen G. White statements as to exactly what will transpire at the end-time relative to the current omega of apostasy new movement, new organization that formed “among” within, and took over the true SDA church militant from 1957 and on.

It is the objective of this series to inform as to the correct meaning of Bible and Ellen G. White statements that have been misinterpreted and misapplied by “dumb-dog watchmen” (Isaiah 56:10-12) and (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211) since Ellen White’s death in 1915.

The ring-leaders and prime perpetrators of the errant interpretation of such statement are the liberal leaders, but as they allow nothing to stand in their way, the conservative leaders and laity become accountable for the seriously misleading errors as well, and I am speaking of errors that eventually will lead to the slaughter of SDA men, maidens and little children without mercy, beginning at His Sanctuary, His church, Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211.

Though liberal leaders are the ring-leaders in the omega apostasy, there are certain individuals who are very ardent in their support of the dumb-dog watchmen, by touting their every perversion of the truth. This is Satan’s cunning device for deceiving God’s people and leading them to destruction at the end-time. So I will take the statements that are used by ring-leaders and laity alike to lead God’s people to certain perdition and put them in their proper framework of truth by strictly adhering to the weight of evidence principle taught in the following statement. God has shown me that this will give His people the means of setting long cherished errors into the framework of truth.

Weight of Evidence Formula: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, [interpreter] since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." E.G. White, Second Advent Review and Herald, 11-25-84, pr. 24.

DT (not the real name—he also uses the pseudonym Orion 7) but his initials are DT, brags that he is a member of fifteen (15) SDA forums and they he is going to operate on those forums to reinforce the views as taught by errant SDA leadership since Ellen White’s death. Since he uses all of the statement that have been misused by the leadership since Ellen White’s death, I will focus primarily on his material. He draws his statements and misinterpretation of them from such men as Rick Howard, Walter Veith and others.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: DT


Again, I say the Lord hath not spoken by any messenger who calls the only church in the world that keeps the commandments of God, Babylon. True, there is chaff with the wheat; but first gather the chaff and bind it into bundles to burn it, but gather the wheat into the DTner. I know that the Lord loves His church.
It is not to be disorganized, or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this. There is not the least evidence that such a thing will be. Those who shall heed this false message, and try to leaven others will be deceived, and prepared to receive advance delusions, and they will come to naught.  {1MR 303.1}
 
     There is, in some of the members of the church, pride, self-sufficiency, stubborn unbelief, and a refusing to yield their ideas although evidence may be piled upon evidence which makes this message to the Laodicean church applicable.
But that will not blot out the church that it will not exist. Let both tares and wheat grow together until the harvest. Then it is the angels that do the work of separation.  {1MR 303.2}
 
     I warn the Seventh-day Adventist church to be careful how you receive every new notion, and those who claim to have great light. The character of their work seems to be to accuse, and to tear down. . . .  {1MR 303.3}
 
     Should not the words of Christ have any weight? "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves" (Matthew 7:15). "Lo here and lo there is Christ," will be multiplied. Let the believers heed the voice of the angel who has said to the church, "Press together." In unity is your strength. Love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous. God hath a church, and Christ hath declared, "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matthew 16:18). The messengers the Lord sends bear the divine credentials. Letter 16, 1893, pp. 1-7.


DT

 

Ron responds: In all such Ellen G. White statements, there are qualifying words and phrases which must be factored in with all the weight of evidence so that nothing contradicts or one will come to a totally errant conclusion. I will give many illustrations of this fact over the ensuing weeks and months. In regard to the above statement as quoted by DT, the qualifying words and/or phrases are:

 

·       Ellen White said that the first consideration should be to factor in TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE. The time of the above statement was 1893. The statement was made to two men, Stanton and Caldwell who were calling the church that Ellen White said was KEEPING the commandments of God; HEEDING the Laodicean message, and RECEIVING a refreshing from the Lord. In a letter to those two men dated June 12, 1893, she rightly asked: Where could one go to improve on that?!

·       “...who calls the only church in the world that keeps the commandments of God, Babylon. The new movement posing as the SDA church militant, does not keep the commandments of God. It has instructed parents of children in Russia to send their children to school on Sabbath, because in Russia school is held on six days of the week. Faithful reformers went underground, but others obey SDA leaders and send their children to school on God’s Holy Sabbath in violation of the fourth commandment. See this document: https://omega77.tripod.com/inquisitionbauler.htm Also, see Alf Lohne’s book on Russia which is obtainable from Internet book stores. Adventists in Russia: Amazon.ca: Alf Lohne: Books

·       Chaff can grow with wheat in a church militant, but chaff is not “open sinners,” because God says that open sin and sinners should be separated from the church.

·       The Lord loves HIS CHURCH. Ellen White has defined a church by saying that only the presence of Christ can constitute a church, The Upward Look, p. 315. Ellen White said the omega heresy would surely come and wax stronger until Jesus comes. The new movement, new organization that has removed God and pillar doctrines, 1SM 204-205, is a direct manifestation of the omega of apostasy.

·       The new movement, new organization does not meet the criteria of a church because God’s presence is removed.

·       Nevertheless, God loves HIS CHURCH and it is not to be disorganized or broken up into atoms. What does this mean? His church must have His presence. Let’s examine the form of His church when Israel apostatized, because Ezekiel 9 applied to that church and Ellen White says it will literally apply to the SDA church at the end-time—that it will BEGIN AT HIS SANCTUARY, HIS CHURCH, THE HOUSE OF JACOB, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN PRIVILEDGED WITH GREAT LIGHT, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.

·       Ellen White said that the end-time professing SDA church will be a COUNTERPART of the apostate Jewish church, to wit: COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:9-15], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald,  11-07-82.

 

·       Ellen White prophesied the following fate of the professing SDA church at the end-time. Remember, we are told to factor in EVERY WORD of the evidence and that this is the ONLY WAY WE CAN KNOW WE ARE NOT IN ERROR:

                                      

"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message,  symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy,  vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

 

·       Faithful SDA’s WILL NOT be a MEMBER of the above church or they would be guilty of every indictment mentioned. That statement demands another coming out just as there was a coming out of a faithful remnant in the apostasy of Israel.

·       Matthew 22:1-10, describes two call out messages by God’s servants when Israel’s 490 years of probation (Daniel 9) closed in A.D. 34.

·       After those two call out messages, in verse 7, the murderous city (Jerusalem) is destroyed. That is the same event as Ezekiel 9. That occurred BEFORE the final call to the world.

·       Ellen White reapplies Matthew 22:1-10 to our time in Sermon’s and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9. She specifically quotes verse 7. And she says in a number of statements that Ezekiel 9 will be literally fulfilled BEGINNING at His Sanctuary, His church.

·       So if there was a call out message in the last literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, there must be one in the next literal fulfillment or it would not be LITERAL.

 

IMPORTANT QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THE A.D. 34 and on CALL OUT messages to the apostate Jews:

 

1.    When Christ’s servants (disciples) made two call outs from the apostate Jewish church, did that disorganize His church? No! Did it split His church into atoms? No!

2.    Did Christ separate? Did Paul Separate? Yes, to wit:

 

"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.  

 

Paul left after three months

 

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

 

"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.

 

Where did the Separationists go in the Typical Fulfillemnt of Ezekiel 9

 

Israel could not be judged and sealed until their 490 years probation (Daniel 9) was finished in A.D. 34. At that time, Ezekiel 9 marking (sealing) began. A mark was put on all who separated from sin and sinners. The disciples were told that whomever they bound (sealed) on earth would be bound in heaven. After all the faithful Jews were called out of the apostate Temple system, Ezekiel 9 slaughter took place BEGINNING at the Temple and progressing to the city of Jerusalem proper and then to outlying areas. But all the true Christians fled to Pella and were saved. Before that, from A.D. 34-66, at which time they fled, 3 ½ years before the destruction, they had worshipped in home churches. Were those home churches disorganized? Were they breking up the church into atoms? Nay! And this is exactly what transpires in the antitypical literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, lest faithful SDA’s be caught in the slaughter that will begin at His Sanctuary, His church, just before the final call to the world. It begins with spiritual Jerusalem FIRST, and ends with Babylon, GC, 653-656. This scenario sequence is according to Matthew 22:1-10 which Ellen White reapplies to the end-time.

 

3. Scripture on Home Churches

 

·       Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

·       Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

·       Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

·       Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

·       Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

·       1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

·       1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

·       1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

 

 

Now what about the wheat and tares dwelling together until the harvest?

 

     “There is, in some of the members of the church, pride, self-sufficiency, stubborn unbelief, and a refusing to yield their ideas although evidence may be piled upon evidence which makes this message to the Laodicean church applicable. But that will not blot out the church that it will not exist. Let both tares and wheat grow together until the harvest. Then it is the angels that do the work of separation.”  {1MR 303.2}

 

Important Considerations:

 

·       Is a once Laodicean church still “lukewarm” when it commits cold, strictly forbidden apostasy? No!

·       Is cold apostasy wreaked by the liberal leaders OPEN SIN? Yes!

·       Are tares open sinners? No! Why? Because they are to grow together until the harvest—the end of the world, and even some home churches will have tares in them until the harvest.

·       Who are the angels who separate the tares?

 

"I then saw the THIRD ANGEL. Said my accompanying angel, 'Fearful is his work. Awful is his mission. He is the angel that is to select the wheat from the tares, and seal, or bind, the wheat for the heavenly DTner." E.G. White, Early Writings, 118. 

 

Third Angel—“No one hears the voice of these angels, for they are a symbol to represent the people of God who are working in harmony with the universe of heaven.  Men and women, enlightened by the Spirit of God and sanctified through the truth, proclaim the three messages in their order.”  E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 2, p. 387.

 

"The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message WAS NOT to be committed to the religious leaders of the people." E.. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, 199, 200.

 

The final Loud Cry of the Third Angel’s Message IS NOT committed to the leaders of the once SDA church militant. It is committed to the True Reformers, the bride of Christ, the 144,000 and those who follow their lead.

 

So it is faithful men, true reformers, who give a shaking, separation from sin and sinners message, that selects the wheat from the tares, and who give the final third angel’s message, NOT THE LEADERS! “This message is not committed to the leaders!”. Notice:

 

"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151.

 

     It is no argument against the truth that there are few who are willing to accept it. Few accepted the world's Redeemer. Though the multitude flocked around him, eager to receive temporal blessings, yet he sadly declared: "Ye will not come to me that ye might have life." Men are now no more favorable to practical godliness; they are just as intently seeking earthly good, to the neglect of eternal riches. And reformers of the present day will meet with the same discouragements as did their Master. {ST, January 28, 1886 par. 3}

 

Indifference and Neutrality in a Crisis: "If God abhors one sin above another, of which HIS PEOPLE are guilty, it is of doing nothing in a case of emergency. Indifference or neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 1, p. 136. Also, Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 281.

 

“Men will go forth in the spirit and power of Elijah to prepare the way for the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is their work to make crooked things straight. Some things must be torn down, some things must be built up. The old treasures must be reset in a framework of truth. They are to preach God's Word; their testimony must not be molded by the opinions and ideas that have been regarded as sound, but by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.” [1888 Mtl. p. 169 para. 01] p. 506, Para. 3, [1888MS].

 

So the true SDA church is not blotted out by the formation of home churches because of the apostasy of the new movement, new organization, which allows nothing to stand in its way, 1SM 204-205. Neither is the apostate church blotted out until the Ezekiel 9 slaughter which must come in the sequence of Matthew 22:1-10 IF YOU BELIEVE ELLEN WHITE THAT EZEKIEL 9 WILL BE LITERALLY FULFILLED TO THE LETTER. Because Matthew 22:10-10 was the LITERAL sequence in the last literal, typical fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. The destruction of the imposter, apostate SDA new movement church is described in Ezekiel chapter 5. And it occurs as a taunt, as an instruction to the surrounding nations. There would be no purpose in such instruction after the close of probation. There would be no taunting of that once spiritual Jerusalem church IF THAT CHURCH AND BABYLON WERE DESTROYED TOGETHER when Ezekiel 9 is also literally fulfilled upon Babylon, after she does the slaughtering of apostate SDA’s. After that slaughter, and sometime after the close of probation, THEN Babylon is ripe for Ezekiel 9 destruction as well, The Great Controversy, pp. 653-656. Notice the word’s giving the context for these pages in the last paragraph on p. 653—Babylon is ripe for destruction! But it all BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY, HIS CHURCH before the final loud cry of the true reformers, THE THIRD ANGEL, the 144,000, the bride of Christ, Philadelphia, who are made pillars in the Temple on Mt. Zion in heaven, registered/written in heavenly Zion, Heb. 12:22, 23—the church triumphant.

 

Now another statement by DTwhich the “dumb-dog watchmen” of Isaiah 56:10-12 and 5T 211, have misapplied since Ellen White’s death in 1915.


 

----- Original Message -----

From: DT

To: Adventist ; Remnant-Seventh Day Adventist ; The Advent Times

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: [TheAdventTimes] A spurious message- Come out of the SDA Church

 




Supposing this spurious message is the one everyone must hear for this time, "Come out of her My people," where shall we go to? Where shall we find the purity, goodness, and holiness where we shall be secure? Where is the fold where no wolves will enter?  {1MR 354.1} 

I tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will work.
There may be more than a score of Judases among them; there may be a rash Peter who will under circumstances of trial deny his Lord; there may be persons represented by John who Jesus loved, but he may have a zeal that would destroy men's lives by calling down fire from heaven upon them to revenge an insult to Christ and to the truth. But the great Teacher seeks to give lessons of instruction to correct these existing evils. He is doing the same today with His church. He is pointing out their dangers. He is presenting before them the Laodicean message.  {1MR 354.2}

Jesus is coming in to give the individual members of the church the richest blessings, if they will open the door to Him. He does not once call them Babylon, nor ask them to come out. But He says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten" (with messages of reproof and warning) (Revelation 3:19). These reproofs I am not ignorant of. I have given warnings because the Spirit of the Lord has constrained me to do so, and have uttered reproofs because the Lord has given me words of reproof. I have not shunned to declare the whole counsel of God, which has been given me for the church.  {2SM 67.1} 

DT

 

Ron’s response: Again, remember the factors Ellen White said to always consider—TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE. The time was 1893. The place was the SDA church at that time. The circumstances stated by Ellen White in her June 12, 1893 letter to Stanton and Caldwell were:

 

1.    The church was KEEPING the commandments of God at that time.

2.    The church was HEEDING the Laodicean message at that time.

3.    The church was RECEIVING a refreshing from the Lord at that time.

4.    No such church could be referred to as Babylon or any part of Babylon! No true reformer would ever consider referring to such a church as Babylon! Where could they go to improve on that?!

5.    Wheat and tares can dwell together with even wolves. Faithful watchmen will spot the wolves and make it impossible for them to destroy the sheep with their falsities.

6.    Judases can dwell together with wheat, tares and wolves AS LONG AS NEITHER IS COMMITTING OPEN SIN APOSTASY IN THE CHURCH.

7.    Judas did not remain in the church of Christ after he committed apostasy. He killed himself! Notice:

 

"Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church..."  Christ's Object Lessons, 71.

 

This labor of purifying the church is a painful work, but one that must not be neglected, if the church would have the commendation of God." E. G. White, Review and Herald Articles,  06-07-1887, paragraph 16.

 

"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.

 

Another Coming Out

 

“I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out. While we will endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry. . . . {11MR 229.2}

 

The implication was that there would be another coming out and this can be proven from Ellen White’s statements about the final fate of the church. SDA leaders add a note to the above statement saying that it was the only time Ellen White lost confidence in the church. That is a lie. Here is a long listing of other loss of confidence statements. https://omega77.tripod.com/leavestate.htm

 

We are going to prove that other of Ellen White and Bible verses prove that there is another coming out with such solid evidence that it is indeed based on TYPE/ANTITYPE and POINT/COUNTERPOINT. But first, let’s consider why Ellen White was alarmed that there would be another coming out. She said:

 

“As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out.”

 

The main reason she felt there would be another coming out was because the SDA church was then acting a part similar to that which the fallen churches acted. This is so key to everything involved with another coming out. We will now look at ways in which the SDA church has acted a part similar to that which the fallen churches, INCLUDING FALLEN ISRAEL (circa A.D. 27-70) have acted SINCE ELLEN WHITE’S DEATH.

 

1.    The SDA church adopted the world’s accreditation standards for its centers of learning. This effectively married the youth of the church to the world. Ellen White said that bringing the church into the world would make it the cage of every unclean and hateful bird—BABYLON, to wit:

 

"The world must not be introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 265.

 

What better ways and means could Satan enter the church than through worldly education curricula? And he did it by the church’s adoption of the World’s Accreditation Boards. Our schools were originally supposed to train missionaries and to be schools of the prophets after the order of Elijah’s schools of the prophets. But all that change when the church decided to worship mammon and use education as a means to obtain the riches of mammon—material goods and money. And so the church became the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 

The church was married to the world in the early 1930's when a few leaders adopted the world's Accreditation Standards for our educational facilities. Satan could have no finer track to the youth of the church than through the world's education curriculum.

 

2.    "If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.

 

If Laodicea is not regarded with any more favor by God than the fallen churches, and the call of Laodicea is to all churches, then there is no difference between Laodicea and the fallen churches as far as being in a fallen state is concerned. Different churches believe different aspects of Babylonian teachings, but Ellen White equates them all as far as falling from the favor of God is concerned, and as far as constituting the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 

Ellen White said that all the various fallen churches were Laodicean. So to become Laodicean was to become like them and not stand in favor with God any more than those fallen churches. The SDA church became Laodicean and then went a step further. It became cold apostate and removed God by removing pillar doctrines on the human nature of Christ and the Godhead. In 1957, its Ministry magazine (edited by Leroy From at the time) stated that Jesus took the nature of Adam BEFORE THE FALL, in those precise words. That edition of Ministry was ultimately sent to over 250 thousand non SDA ministers and institutions of the world as a testament to what SDA’s believe. That lie has never been repented of and the 27 (now 28) Fundamentals of Belief  book teaches a variation on a theme of that lie by saying that Christ did not come like Adam before or after the fall. Ellen White said that He came in sinful flesh as Adam had only with the results 4,000 years of degradation since Adam. God says that those who teach that Jesus did not come in the likeness of sinful flesh are antichrist. Antichrist beliefs constitute unpardonable sin.

 

Did the church become Laodicean? Has the church remained Laodicean? No! It has become both COLD APOSTATE AND LUKEWARM. The liberals are cold apostate, and the conservatives are lukewarm.

 

In the early 1940’s, Leroy Froom smuggled in the Trinity Doctrine, Rome’s central doctrine. In 1980, the church voted that antichrist doctrine (which voids the heavenly Incarnation sanctuary/atonement as GONE), into its fundamentals of belief. Ellen White said that the godhead is a pillar, landmark doctrine of Adventism and she, nor the pioneers, ever embraced the trinity doctrine. Dr. George R. Knight, the church’s most renown historicist and a former professor of Theology at Andrews, correctly observed that none of the pioneer’s including Ellen White would join the SDA church of today. I specify Ellen White, because according to her teaching on the Godhead, the trinity doctrine sweeps away the heavenly Incarnation Sanctuary/Atonement, and thereby the entire Christian economy. Nothing could be more antichrist in scope and seriousness. Nothing could be more UNPARDONABLE SIN.

 

Dr. George Knight, Andrews University Seminary Theology Professor made the following statement in Ministry, the official Seventh-day Adventist journal for ministers: "Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denomination's Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity." - Ministry, October 1993, p. 10.

 

Trinity -- Catholic "The doctrine of the Trinity, a doctrine the knowledge of which is certainly necessary to salvation, is not explicitly and evidently laid down in Scripture, in the Protestant sense of private interpretation." (Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, August 22, 1854 -Quoted from Doctrinal Catechism)

 

The Same Divorce Rate as the World

 

Ellen White said that if licentiousness, unlawful intimacy and unholy practices were not curbed, the church would become corrupted and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. The church has the same percentage (in ration and proportion) divorce rate as the world. So the licentiousness and unlawful intimacy was not checked.

 

"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.

 

An Adventist Review article says that the church has the same divorce rate per capita percentage ration as the world. Does that sound like the unlawful intimacies have been curbed and the camp has been cleansed?

 

"In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. . . .I saw our Instructor pointing to the DTments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them of, He laid bare he defilement beneath. Then He said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character? How is the faithful city become an harlot?" E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 8, pp. 247-250.

 

Can anyone tell me when the church reformed and revived from its harlot stance?

 

"The church cannot measure herself by the world nor by the opinion of men nor by what she ONCE was. Her faith and her position in the world as they NOW ARE must be COMPARED (JUDGED) with what they would have been if her course had been continually onward and upward. The church will be weighed in the balances of the sanctuary. If her moral character and spiritual state do not correspond with the benefits and blessings God has conferred upon her, SHE WILL BE FOUND WANTING." Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 83, 84.

 

"When this church is weighed in the balances of the sanctuary, it is found wanting, having left its first love....What is the fatal deficiency?--'Thou has left thy first love...'

The light that gladdened your heart when you first understood the message for this time is an essential element in your experience and labors, and this has been lost out of your heart and life. Christ beholds your lack of zeal, and declares that you have FALLEN, and are in a perilous position." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, pp. 462-3.

 

But what about these words: “But the great Teacher seeks to give lessons of instruction to correct these existing evils. He is doing the same today with His church. He is pointing out their dangers. He is presenting before them the Laodicean message.  {1MR 354.2}

Jesus is coming in to give the individual members of the church the richest blessings, if they will open the door to Him. He does not once call them Babylon, nor ask them to come out. But He says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten" (with messages of reproof and warning) (Revelation 3:19). These reproofs I am not ignorant of. I have given warnings because the Spirit of the Lord has constrained me to do so, and have uttered reproofs because the Lord has given me words of reproof. I have not shunned to declare the whole counsel of God, which has been given me for the church.”  {2SM 67.1} 

 

Ron responds: The great Teacher sought to give lessons of instruction to correct the existing evils in the Jewish church as well. In fact, it gave Israel 490 years to put away its sins. That length of time will not be given to professing SDA’s because they have the benefit of Israel’s example from which they should learn the results of disobedience and apostasy. But as with Israel, there is a cut-off point in God’s patience. In fact, Jeremiah, chapter 7 and 11:9-15 teach us that it is possible for a chosen people to commit unpardonable sin in any given generation. That is exactly what the Jews did in those chapters because God told Jeremiah not to even pray for the Jews of that generation. They violated God’s LINE IN THE SAND. What is that line? It is conspiracy and confederation with His enemies. Isaiah 8:9-12 warns of the seriousness of this same act—association, council/counsel, girding and/or confederacy/conspiracy with God’s enemies. And the penalty? ONE OPTION—“Broken in Pieces.”

 

When the Jews conspired with God’s enemies to return to the iniquities of their forefathers, Jer. 11:9-15, there was a call out message in verse 15. God asks the question: What has my beloved (bride) to do in mine house (church) since she (the church) has wrought lewdness with many. That is a definite call out message, and at that time in the history the Jews were at Shiloh, the first civilized settlement after emerging from the 40 year sojourn in the Sinai desert. Did some faithful come out? Oh yes!

 

Change Leaders: "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.

 

What was the crime of the leaders? Licentiousness added to the dark catalogue of their crimes of conspiring with God’s enemies to return to the iniquities of their forefathers. Jer. 11:9-15 and Jer. Chapter 7. And Ellen White said this “NOT PRAYING FOR GOD’S PEOPLE” would be COUNTERPARTED at the end-time. Does this demand another coming out! There can be no other interpretation.

 

Ellen White’s statements on Ezekiel 9 can have no other interpretation than demanding another coming out because there was one in the last LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 and she says the next one will be literal AND FULFILLED TO THE LETTER.

 

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.

 

“The time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1303.

 

The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880:  “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.” 

 

“The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with impunity.”  Prophets and Kings, 416.    

 

The following statements demands another coming out as well:

 

 "The leaven of godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest, [the Sunday Law] the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are done in the land. But more especially will their prayers arise in behalf of the church because its members are doing after the manner of the world. (Ellen G. White, “The Seal of God,” Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, page 209.

 

It should be empirical to the discerning reader that the little company standing in the light are not MEMBERS of the church because its MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the world, and if they were MEMBERS, they would be doing after the manner of the world as well.

 

The Lord has a controversy with his professed people … men in responsible positions ( The General Conference ) will … ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves… In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping SUNDAY! {RH March 18, 1884 par.8}

 

What about these words:

 

Jesus is coming in to give the individual members of the church the richest blessings, if they will open the door to Him. He does not once call them Babylon, nor ask them to come out. But He says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten" (with messages of reproof and warning) (Revelation 3:19). These reproofs I am not ignorant of. I have given warnings because the Spirit of the Lord has constrained me to do so, and have uttered reproofs because the Lord has given me words of reproof. I have not shunned to declare the whole counsel of God, which has been given me for the church.”  {2SM 67.1}

 

What about Isaiah 37:31, 32? Does God’s Word say There Will be Another Coming Out? What About Ezekiel 5:1-3?

 

 31And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:

 

 32For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

 

Okay folks, we’ve got big problems in river city! Ellen White says that God does not once call them Babylon, NOR ASK THEM TO COME OUT! What in the world is Ron Beaulieu going to do with this conundrum?! The Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy appears to be in direct contradiction! Ellen White appears to be in direct contradiction TO HERSELF! I could say that I will take the Bible as the higher light. But I do what God showed me to do. He told me, just as He showed Ellen White, what we must do when the Bible and/or the Spirit of Prophecy “appear” to contradict! Can you guess what we are told to do? We are told by Ellen White to interpret so that NEITHER contradicts! That is very possible and here is how it must be done. Here is the only way to interpret the above contradiction SO THAT NOTHING—NEITHER THE BIBLE AND ELLEN WHITE, NOR ELLEN WHITE CONTRADICTS HERSELF.

 

Solution:

 

·       In 2SM 67, Ellen White is referring to the 1893 SDA church—GOD’S CHURCH, that was KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS, HEEDING THE LAODICEAN MESSAGE AND RECEIVING A REFRESHING FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT.

·       Neither God nor any true reformer would ever call God’s church that keeps the commandments of God and heeds the Laodicean message BABYLON! Never! Ever!

·       In all Scripture GOD DOES NOT CALL SUCH A CHURCH BABYLON NOR CALL ANYONE OUT OF THE TRUE SDA CHURCH THAT ACCEPTS HIS CONDITIONS!

·       But what about a professing SDA church that REFUSES THE CONDITIONS, SEPARATES ITSELF FROM HIS LOVE, so that His promises are not fulfilled to such an apostate, new movement, bereft of the presence of God “church?” The lights should be going on and if this is not the true resolution to this problem, THERE IS NONE, and none of the weight of evidence makes a whit of sense!

 

If I could prompt you on ONE THING in making proper interpretations other than taking all the weight of evidence, it would be to WATCH FOR EVERY POSSIBLE QUALIFYING WORD(s) OR PHRASE(s). The biggest mistake of those who make false interpretations is failure to do just that. 

 

Isaiah 37:31, 32, is exactly what occurred in the two calls of Matthew 22:1-10, which was all part of the Ezekiel 9 sealing process from A.D. 34-70. So if Ezekiel 9 is to be literally fulfilled TO THE LETTER, then Isaiah 37:31, 32 will have to apply again Ezekiel 9 will not be literally fulfilled! If this is not true, we can come together and “reason” anything! I am being perfectly reasonable in these deductions. We were given a licence to reason together.

 

And in Ezekiel 5:1-3, verse 3 depicts a small remnant that is taken (preserved) in His skirts, symbolic of marriage terminology as one will find in studying the marriage relation between Ruth and Boaz, which uses the same semantics.

 

Ron responds: In light of all of the weight of evidence, what is the final prophesied fate of the weighing of the church? I repeat these statements again because they are so crucial:

 

COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White,  Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald,  11-07-82.

 

"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message,  symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy,  vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

 

What about all prophecy being CONDITIONAL? That is true until God’s people cross His line in the sand. Thereafter, prophecy ceases to be conditional and literal.

 

All His blessings,

 

—rwb