SDA Internet Group Therapy—Session #5

A Rebuttal to Ulicia Ulrike Unruh

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My responses are interspersed within your post below: 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ulicia" <
To: <
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:27 AM
Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: Operation Global Rain Bringing People Together


The facts are simply that these things happened long before 1930. Way back in 1850's Ellen White was saying the "Laodicean condition" was that of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 

Ron responds: This fact works against you Ulicia. Why? Because:


·      It is true that the church was first Laodicean in the 1850's. Why use that as an excuse for the church being Laodicean in 2007?

·      Ellen White said that if the church became Laodicean, it would be no more in God's favor than the fallen churches of Babylon. Let's be reasonable Ulicia and come to reason together on this point. I believe Ellen White meant that if the church remained and ended up Laodicean, it would not be in the favor of God any more than the fallen churches of Babylon. Can you agree with that?

·      Is the fact that the church was Laodicean in 1852, any excuse for it being Laodicean in 2007?

·      The church had never committed the omega apostasies in the 1850's that it has committed since the 1930's. So I must consider your point skewed and moot. What are you trying to prove considering these facts? End Ron's comment. 
If you did any study at all you'd know the world and some very false doctrines and practices were very much part of many, including leadership in the 1880's and onward.


Ron responds:


·      The most colossal twisting of Ellen White’s statements that I have incurred in my 65 years as a Seventh-day Adventist is your interpretation that Ellen White said that the church would NEVER become a sister to fallen Babylon, or any part of Babylon. That is one of the biggest lies attributed to Ellen G. White by any member of the church. She said just the opposite. She said how the church could become part of Babylon.

·      It is not true that my warning message is the same as used by Stanton and Caldwell. Why? How? Because the church had not committed any of the apostasies I deal in except its continued walk in the Laodicean state.

·      The church had not formed a New Movement that removed God, and that would allow nothing to stand in its way. 1SM 204-5.

·      The church had not imbibed the omega of apostasy, which would wax stronger until Jesus comes.

·      The church had not imbibed the omega which was to be far worse than the alpha.

·      The church leaders had not stated that the nature of Christ was like Adam BEFORE the fall.

·      The church leaders had not joined Babylon's associations, councils and confederacies.

·      The church leaders had not adopted Babylon's Satanic Celebration mode of worship, whereby there has been loud hard rock music at SDA campmeetings. Ellen White prophesied that this would transpire in the church's campmeetings just before the close of probation, and it has come true. There is a well produced video by an SDA engineer, Kirk Weedman, who is a MEMBER of the church, demonstrating such uncouth and Satanic goings on.

·      The church was not KNOWINGLY teaching two different gospels to the world.

·      The church was not going to Babylon in search of the Holy Spirit.

·      The church was not educating its ministers in Eriksonian Hypnosis techniques via Neuro-Linguistic Programming, so as to be able to control the members when the "GREAT CHANGES" came along. Then Canadian Conference President Doug Devnich said in the Canadian Messenger in the latter 1980's that "great changes" were coming. And so they have. NLP techniques have been quite effective in controlling the members of the church.

·      The church had not instituted home "cell groups," which forbid "controversial" topics.

·      The church had not praised the pope by giving him a gold medallion and bowing to Him and calling him "His Holiness."

·      Church leaders had not questioned the 7 day creation week, thus casting doubt on the verity of Scripture and the plain Word of God.

·      Church leaders had not instructed SDA's in two different countries of the world, Korea and Russia, to send their children to school on the Holy Seventh-day Sabbath. See Alph Lohne's book on Russia. Ask Bryan Bissell about the situation in Korea. Is that KEEPING the commandments of God?

·      The church had not adopted the Trinity doctrine which disagrees with Ellen White's rendition of the Godhead.

·      The church had not adopted the Accreditation Standards of the world, thus marrying the church's youth to the world. There could be no better master plan to do so by Satan himself!

·      The church had not written a book praising Babylon such as George Vandeman's book does. What is Ellen White's instruction when the church praises the wicked? "'They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God' people in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 660.

·      No General Conference President had ever stood before a federal court, to give the sworn testimony that what SDA's once taught about the Catholics had now been "consigned to the traditional trash heap." This was a total betrayal of the three angel's messages. The church is corporately response for this treason against God until it should make due repentance for that act.

·      Ellen White said that we do not know the worst abominations, 5T 211.


"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.


Ulicia, I don't find that you and your leaders are concerned about the above abominations. I don't find that you sigh and cry about them. Thus, I find rather a peace and safety stance on your part concerning these issues. Are they mere criticisms or serious violations of serious truths commissioned to the SDA church?


If all of the above are mere criticisms, what do you sigh and cry about? What does your husband sigh and cry about? End Ron's comment.


But just like those men back then with their "satanic" (and Ellen White calls it that) message,  who took the warnings and reproves and twisted them to mean the church is Babylon and were calling people out, you have done the same thing.


Ron responds:


1.   I have done much study and I realize that some false positions were held on the part of some, including leadership in the 1880's and especially onward.

2.   Do the errors of the past excuse forbidden disobedience to God's commands in the future?

3.   Did the errors taught in the past involve violation of the Midnight Cry and the first and second angel's messages? Will you answer these questions?

4.   Did the errors of the past involve liaison with Babylon in violation of Isaiah 8:9-14, the Midnight Cry and the first and second angel's messages?
 The very statements you use were used by men with the same message as you are spreading and EGW rebuked them strongly saying they were twisting her writings and preaching a message that came straight from Satan and that there is NO MESSAGE such as this from God.


Ron's response:


·      I don't believe the church is Babylon. I believe Roman Catholicism Babylon. She had daughters who are sisters. Ellen White said how the church could become a sister to fallen Babylon. I see that the church has not cleansed the camp of the licentiousness and unlawful intimacy that Ellen White referred to in the following statement. I find that the condition has grown worse to the point where the church admits that it has a similar divorce rate as the world percentage-wise. An SDA conference president here in Canada, married his daughter to a Catholic in the SDA church. A conference president had an affair with his secretary and was then moved to a southern conference in the U.S.A. This is just an example as to how licentious pastors have been shuffled from one conference to another when committing adultery IF THEY WERE GOOD SALESMEN! How do I twist the following statement? How do I twist any statement I use. Please give me examples as you are responsible for doing so. No genuine Christian would make such serious charges without proof.

·       "We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18.

·      Ellen White gave simple statements defining how the church could become the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those statements find glaring fulfillment to many reformers such as Dr. John Grosboll and Dr. Ralph Larson. How is it that you cannot discern the fulfillment of those plain and simple statements when the fulfillment is just as plain and simple to see?

·      Do you consider Dr. John Grosboll and Dr. Ralph Larson as being satanic? Do you believe they have twisted Ellen White and Scripture? They teach that the church has committed unpardonable sin apostasy. End Ron's comments.


"Those who have proclaimed the Seventh-day Adventist Church as Babylon, have made use of the Testimonies in giving their position a seeming support; but why is it that they did not present that which for years has been the burden of my message--the unity of the church? Why did they not quote the words of the angel, "Press together, press together, press together"? Why did they not repeat the admonition and state the principle, that "in union there is strength, in division there is weakness"? It is such messages as these men have borne that divide the church, and put us to shame before the enemies of truth; and in such messages is plainly revealed the specious working of the great deceiver, who would hinder the church from attaining unto perfection in unity. These teachers follow the sparks of their own kindling, move according to their own independent judgment, and cumber the truth with false notions and theories. They refuse the counsel of their brethren, and press on in their own way until they become just what Satan would desire to have them--unbalanced in mind.  {TM 56.1} 


Ron responds: Ulicia, you have chosen to ignore the counsel of the True Witness to the church by not including all of the testimony as to when we are to press together and when not to do so. Why you make that choice I do not know. I do know it is not because you are ignorant of all of the statements, so you have chosen what you wish above the clear testimony as to our course when error is present in the church.


Ellen White says that we should not be in unity with error, that it is preferable to have war. God and Ellen White say that it is impossible to unite with the corrupt and remain pure. The SDA Bible Commentary says it is impossible for the wheat to mature amongst open sinners in the camp. 


I submit to you Ulicia Unruh, that it is the leaders who have divided the church. It is apostate leaders who are teaching the false gospel being promulgated by the church's liberal leaders who are in control at the GC level. Why is it that you voice no concern for the division they have caused since the 1970's?


Is it because it would jeopardize your husbands position as a minister if you were integral enough to protest that division caused by SDA leaders? Or do you agree with all the apostasy and two different gospels being taught? Do you believe the following Scripture from Isaiah 9: 


16For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

17Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

18For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.

19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.

20 And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm:

21 Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. 


End Ron’s comment. 

The call is for REPENTANCE, the 1888 messages are being preached in every church truly following  the operation global rain outline. Hearts are being melted.  People are waking up.


Ron responds: The most pervasive and comprehensive study of 1888 I know of has been conducted by Laval Piccard who was once a minister of your church Ulicia. I have copied two of his booklets onto my Website and will do the others imminently. Also, in 1987, I purchased all of Jones and Waggoner’s books on the 1888 message from Leaves of Autumn books in Arizona, for my church group. We have studied those messages. From my experience the reformers have been stressing and teaching the 1888 message for decades The church is just now playing “catch-up” if they are understanding the correct meaning of righteousness by faith as taught in 1888.


Concerning Operation Global Rain, I believe that any sign that your church members are waking up will include a demand for changes in all of the violations of the Word of God that I mention in this document. I believe those demands will be met with scourgings from the SDA synagogues of all who make such demands by way of protesting error. Why will the faithful receivers of any global rain manifestation of the Holy Spirit be ousted from your church as has already happened in thousands of cases around the world? Because Ellen White said that “nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement.” I believe her prophesy. I believe her prophesy that the omega of apostasy would surely develop and wax stronger until Jesus comes. Do you believe her on these statements Ulicia? Do you?


So I don’t believe Global Rain will be a total failure. The wise virgins will awaken to what is going on and that a new movement has supplanted the church we once knew as the SDA church. Even Dr. George R. Knight, an Andrews University professor, admits that the pioneers would not join the church as it believes today. I believe Ellen White would not be a member of the church as it stands today. I truly believe that. End Ron’s comment.
Bro, Ron --
Ellen White makes it plain that while the church will face some serious problems with "tares" and apostates etc. we are NOT to call it Babylon nor tell people to come out.
If you would stop picking out the reproves and calls for the church to awake to her danger and stop twisting them to suit Satan’s plan to scatter and dissolve the very church that stands in his way,  and
 start seeing all that is written on what the church will yet do, you would forsake your path which the same prophet you use to bolster your message, says is the path devised by Satan himself. 


Ron responds: I don’t find that Ellen White said that the church would never, under any circumstance become a sister to fallen Babylon and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. I find just the opposite. I find it is you who has totally twisted Ellen White on that issue. I find that you totally misrepresent and twist some of her statements on Babylon in order to make it “appear” that she said the church could never, under any circumstances, become a sister to fallen Babylon. That is not honest. That is not integral. That is purely dishonest twisting and misrepresentation of the truth of the issue.


I don’t pick just the reproofs. I pick on the admonitions of God’s Word. Ellen White and Scripture make it very clear that nothing is going to scatter and/or dissolve your apostate church until it is broken in pieces in a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 at judgment time. You don’t have to worry about that. That is not my mission to dissolve or break in pieces your apostate church. Your leaders are doing a tremendous job of doing exactly that. Entire churches have left the conference as a result of the Satanic Celebration movement, but you don’t seem the least concerned about that? Why? Why? Why? The leaders have done more to divide and disunify the church than any outside reformer faction. Please wake up to that fact in your Operation Global Rain pursuit.


As far as another coming out is concerned, even if Ellen White did not give conditions for another coming out, which she certainly does, the Bible does as well. Ezekiel 5:1-3 is another coming out. Ezekiel 9 is another and Ezekiel 22:17-31 is an irrefutably conclusive Bible proof of another coming out. Then there is Isaiah 4:1-4 and 37:31, 32, which cannot be mistaken by any person who is ever blessed with any global rain outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 9:16 demands another coming out as well. Men, maidens and little children who reject this truth, will all perish together as they did in the type of A.D. 70. See Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211. This demands another coming out AT THE END TIME. These references cannot be twisted by anyone and they are clear-cut to any discerning disciple of the Word. Any true recipient of any manifestation of Operation Global Rain will come to this light. End Ron’s comment.


“God desires us to awake from our slumbers. He desires us to do our duty. He desires to endue us with His Spirit and lift us up onto a higher platform. Everyone who will come into line will understand
what the will of God is. Then no one will set his stakes to follow a certain way of his own choosing, irrespective of the counsels of his brethren; but all will have the faith that works by love and purifies the soul. When God's people understand what Bible religion is, there will be coming into the ranks of believers more new converts than are seen today. We are to awake and do our duty toward the unwarned inhabitants of the cities and of many out-of-the-way
 laces, and then we shall see of the salvation of God."--Ms 25, 1910 (MR 900.59)   


Ron’s response: I truly believe the sentence: “Everyone who will come into line will understand what the will of God is.” But you better understand what “coming into line” means. It means heeding all of the Word of God which is made manifest by obedience to all His commands. It means buying gold tried in the fire which is faith that works by love and which is made manifest in obedience to all the commands of God.


I do not follow my own choosing. Ellen White said it is the church members who follow their own choosing. If I did, I would not choose to incur the calumny I encounter by telling the truth. Your position avoids that calumny and the cross it involves. Your position is thus one of peach and safety—all is well, and Ellen White said that God’s people love such admonitions. She said that your leaders prophesy falsely and that you love it!


COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets [leaders] prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White,  Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.

Sincerely in loving but stern warning,

Ron Beaulieu


----- Original Message -----
 From: Ulicia
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:42 PM
 Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: Operation Global Rain Bringing People Together

The following paragraphs are straight testimony:

We see the unbelief, and the stout resistance of some who have had great light, and although evidence has been piled upon evidence, they have kept themselves in stubborn resistance. The Lord has sent messages of warning and entreaty, messages of reproof and rebuke, and they have not been in vain. But we have never had a message that the Lord would disorganize the church. We have never had the prophecy concerning Babylon applied to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, or been informed that the "loud cry" consisted in calling God's people to come out of her; for this is not God's plan concerning Israel.  {RH, October 3, 1893 par. 12}
 "Now can we expect that a message would be true that would designate as Babylon the people for whom God has done so much? Hell would triumph should such a message be received, and the world would be strengthened in iniquity. All the reproaches which Satan has cast upon the character of God, would appear as truth, and the conclusion would be made that God has no chosen or organized church in the
world. O, what a triumph would this be to Satan and his confederacy of evil! God does not work in this way. He does just what he said he would do in the 58th chapter of Isaiah:--  {RH, October 3, 1893 par.
  --- In, "Ron Beaulieu" <rsbeauli@... wrote:

What is the following? Crooked testimony?
Ellen White on Babylon statements:
Ulicia, if I can produce one statement by Ellen White that says the church could become Babylon, you are wrong in your interpretation of other statements you use to say it will never happen! Here is more than
one such statement that the church could become part of Babylon:
"The world must not be introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of
every unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 265.
The church was married to the world in the early 1930's when a few leaders adopted the world's Accreditation Standards for our educational facilities. Satan could have no finer track to the youth of the church than through the world's education curriculum. 
"If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.  
Did the church become Laodicean? Has the church remained Laodicean? No!  Far worse, it has become both COLD APOSTATE and lukewarm. The  liberals are cold apostate, and the conservatives are lukewarm. 
If Laodicea is not regarded with any more favor by God than the fallen churches, and the call of Laodicea is to all churches, then there is no difference between Laodicea and the fallen churches as far as being in a fallen state is concerned. Different churches believe different aspects of Babylonian teachings, but Ellen White equates them all as far as falling from the favor of God is concerned, and as far as constituting the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.  
 "We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become
corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript  Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler)
Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce,
p. 193.
An Adventist Review article says that the church has the same divorce rate per capita percentage ration as the world. Does that sound like the unlawful intimacies have been curbed and the camp has
 been cleansed?
"In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. . . .I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping them of, He laid bare he defilement beneath. Then He said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character? How is the faithful city become an harlot?" E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 8, pp. 247-250. 
Can anyone tell me when the church reformed and revived from its harlot stance? 
"The church cannot measure herself by the world nor by the opinion of men nor by what she ONCE was. Her faith and her position in the world as they NOW ARE must be COMPARED (JUDGED) with what they would have been if her course had been continually onward and upward. The church will be weighed in the balances of the sanctuary. If her
moral character and spiritual state do not correspond with the benefits and blessings God has conferred upon her, SHE WILL BE FOUND WANTING." Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 83, 84.
"When this church is weighed in the balances of the sanctuary, it is found wanting, having left its first love....What is the fatal deficiency?--'Thou has left thy first love...'
The light that gladdened your heart when you first understood the message for this time is an essential element in your experience and
labors, and this has been lost out of your heart and life. Christ beholds your lack of zeal, and declares that you have FALLEN, and are in a perilous position." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2,
pp. 462-3. 
"The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines
which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A NEW ORGANIZATION
would be established. Books of a NEW ORDER would be written. [depicting a new gospel] A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the
NEW MOVEMENT. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but GOD BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on
human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. 
 Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] Movement? We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth? E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204, 205.


When the errors are repudiated it is termed criticism and accusing of the brethren! 
"The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. 
The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and pervert that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirits working." Selected Messages, Bk. 2, p. 36.

Ulicia never tells us how the church could imbibe “every uncouth thing” in its Campmeetings “just before the close of probation,” and still go through to the sea of glass by becoming the church triumphant.
 --- In, Ulicia commented on the following post by a person who desire to remain anonymous:
____wrote: "Amen Erik... Jesus is alive and transforming people daily. You are a living testimony to the fact that God is working in the Seventh Day Adventist Church all of Ron's ranting of how God has been removed from the Church"
Ron responds: Is this Ron ranting?  

"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst." E.G. White, Notebook Leaflets, p. 99, 1898.
It is Ron lifting a sentence from it's context to give it a  meaning never intended by the inspired author.
Does the context suggest that Christ has left the church and we are also to get out of it? NO NOT AT ALL.


Ron’s Commentary: If the context suggests in any way that Christ’s presence is in the church, then Ellen White contradicted herself, but she does not. It is these types of comments that make dealing with God’s people most tedious. The context gives qualifying words by which the church could restore the presence of God.

The same person says that Ellen White did not call the church a harlot in 8T 250, because it was stated in a question form: How has the faithful city become a harlot.  The person who says this is disabled. So I asked him this question: If I ask you how you have become disabled, does that mean you are not disabled because I asked you in question form? It gets very tedious folk!

"In every school established, the most simple theory of theology  should be taught. In this theory the atonement of Christ should be the great substance, the central truth. The wonderful theme of
redemption should be presented to the students. . . . {1NL 99.3}

Those who claim to believe the truth do not possess that power that God would bestow upon them if they really believed, and were   striving for conformity to His image. The church is in the Laodicean   state. The presence of God is not in her midst. If Christ were   formed within, the hope of glory, conformity to His image would be seen, and the church trials which separate the members from Christ would disappear. . . . {1NL 99.4}

Mission work must not cease because of limited means. Let every church member practice self-denial. The Word of God gives the commission, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." There is no restriction, no limit, to the work.
And the promise is "Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." Abridge the work, limit your labors, and you remove your Helper. The sickly, unhealthy state of the church reveals a church afraid to work, fearing that self-denial will be required. The presence of the Lord is ever seen where every energy of the church is aroused to meet the spiritual responsibilities. But many of the churches who have had the light of present truth are dwarfed and crippled by the evils existing in their midst, by the selfishness cherished, by spending on self that which should be given to the Lord. Because of self-indulgence, they have nothing to give
toward the work of saving souls. {1NL 99.5}


Ron’s Commentary: The person who wrote the above quote did not highlight and underline it. I did. He thought I was taking Ellen White quote that says God’s presence was not in the church out of context. But the highlighted words above QUALIFY the conditions for the church retaining the presence of God. The person in question is forever missing the qualifying passages.


My Open Challenge to Ulicia Unruh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Beaulieu" <
To: <
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Challenge to Ulicia (Ulrike) Unruh


Are you confident that what you say is the truth? I will challenge your sincerity. I will print every word you say on my Website if you will do the same with what I say. I am that confident that truth can stand on its own and need be afraid of nothing! I will print verbatim everything you, Bob Pickle, your husband and all the kings men have to say by way of  refutation of my warning message. Are you up to the challenge?

Included in this challenge is that you permit me membership on your forum with the understanding that you believe that what you have to present will
guard against any and all error. I will respond to your post below in another post.

Ulicia, potentially this proposal involves ONE MAN (And the Holy Spirit) against every professing Seventh-day Adventist. What do you say? Are you
up to the challenge?