SDA Internet Group Therapy—Session #7
by Ron Beaulieu
"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." -1 Timothy 6:3-5
The following exchange is between myself and Bryan (last name withheld), the son of an SDA minister.
Below, Bryan is responding to my post to him. He quotes my full post first. Then I intersperse my comments in rebuttal under his statements. All my statements are in this color print.
My comments interspersed under yours Bryan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan (Last name withheld)
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: [SDAIssues] short analysis of Jeremiah
At 02:44 PM 7/23/2007, you wrote:
The SDA church has done everything the Jews
of Jeremiah 11:9-15 did. Verse 15 says that the Holy Flesh departed. And so
it has departed from the SDA church. Satan took over long ago.
Jeremiah 11:9-15 (King James Version)
This cannot be proven about SDA even remotely similar to what happened in the Jews. They were conspiring to worship Baal and things like that. Even your worst accusations are only about changing doctrines, not worshipping idols.
Ron responds: A synonym to conspiracy is confederacy. I can and have proven that SDA's are in conspiracy and confederacy with Babylon. Vance Ferrell has proven it as well. It is a form of Baal worship to make concessions to Babylon and agree to tone down the Sabbath and Mark of the Beast issues. Vance Ferrell has a wealth of proof on this issue. You are duty bound to obtain it and study it.
10They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
SDA is not going after other Gods. They have rejected the false ideas of their forefathers that Jesus wasn't God and quite a number of other doctrinal errors of the arian sort. They have stopped eating pork and smoking as the first pioneers did and many other things. There are problems to be sure. But, none of them even remotely as bad as Ron's addiction to constant lying.
Ron responds: The World Council of Churches embraces all religions and all gods of those religions. Their goal is to bring all religions together into visible unity. By association, counsel and confederation with the WCC and their subsidiary organizations, SDA's have gone after other gods, and when they get into trouble for doing that, God says in essence: "Don't call on me for help." And they will get into trouble with God and Babylon for going to Babylon for aid. It will finally arouse the indignation of Babylon, that SDA's will harlot and whore around with them and then call their members out of Babylon.
14Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble. Jer. 11:14.
The SDA Bible Commentary says that Babylon will be the destroyers. When the church gets in trouble during the great time of Jacob's trouble, and Babylon is about to slaughter modern Jerusalem, the SDA church, they will cry to God, but He will not hear them in the time of their trouble.
11Therefore thus saith the
LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to
escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.
SDAs do not offer incense to other gods.
Ron responds: Ellen White mentions the UNBELIEF of the watchmen in 5T 211. The deference that has been made to Babylon and the conspired compromises are like incense offered to other God's--Baal, Babylon, Satan. Ellen White says that Satan has come in and led the professed followers of Christ (SDA's) away from the Leader, classing them with the foolish virgins. That is offering incesne to other gods, even Satan!
Change Leaders: "Satan has COME IN with his specious temptations, and has led the professed followers of Christ away from the [PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies to Ministers, p. 130.
Change Leaders: "Refusing to follow in the path of obedience, they transferred their allegiance to Satan. The enemy rejoiced in his success in effacing the divine image from the minds of the people that God had chosen as His representatives. Through [ECUMENICAL] intermarriage with idolaters and CONSTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THEM [Isa. 8:9-20], Satan brought about that for which he had long been working,--a national apostasy." Fundamentals to Christian Education, p. 449.
13For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.
There were as many different gods that they worshipped as cities and streets. This has nothing even remotely similar to SDAs. There could be a parallel among individuals..gods of sport, gods of lying, gods of distortion, gods of misrepresentation, gods of wealth, fame, pride, etc. The conservatives would be leaders in worshipping many of these gods and Ron would be the priest of about 1/2 of these gods mentioned. But, the official SDA church has never condoned or worshipped any of the ancient or modern type of God's as an official policy. They have warned against all of them.
Ron responds: The worship of Satan has taken different forms today. Spiritualism is one of those forms and spiritualism has invaded the church and is far more prevalent that most even begin to be aware of. Leland Kaiser is just a drop in the bucket! The official church leadership has condoned much evil in practice. It has condoned a false gospel which is taught side-by-side with the truth. But God does not accept a half-Satan, half-Christ gospel.
14Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.
Since the first conditions do not apply to SDA in the remotest, this one can't either.
Ron responds: You have no spiritual discernment to see the connections with the first conditions. You are like the blind leaders leading the blind--thus your perrenial peace and safety stance.
15What hath my beloved to do in mine house, seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.
Ron responds: The church has wrought lewdness with many other fallen churches by association, counsel, confederacy and joint Easter sunrise worship. This is confusing to Babylon when the church considers them good enough to joint-worship with and then calls their members out of their churches. This will arouse their fury before it is all over! Babylon will be their (SDA's) destroyers! as was the case in the prefigure!
The church has wrought lewdness with
many by going to Babylon, Bill Hybels and Rick Warren to learn how to
celebrate and bring every uncouth thing into its campmeetings JUST BEFORE THE
CLOSE OF PROBATION. It all begins as a "breaking in" process and
like you say Bryan, it is not full-blown in many churches and seems quite okay.
But in other churches it has progressed to its inevitable result and the
evils of it all are apparent to the spiritually discerning mind. Ellen
White's statement that every uncouth thing, including DANCING, has come into
our camp meetings JUST BEFORE PROBATIONS CLOSES, but you are not discerning
enough to realize the gravity of it all Bryan. You are the son of a blind
leader of the blind. Ulicia is the wife of a blind leader of the blind. You
will lead to destruction.
Ron responds: There are Doctors of Divinity SDA pastors such as Dr. John Grosboll and Dr. Ralph Larson, who realize that the church has committed UNPARDONABLE APOSTASY, and they say so in their joint article entitled None Dare Call it Apostasy. So it is not Ron's theory. It is the discernment of all true reformers and their numbers grow everyday. Ellen White prophesied that standard after standard would be left trailing in the dust and that the church would become the tail instead of the head, and so it has! When we consult Babylon (Baal) as to how to worship and grow the church, we have consulted other gods--even Satan. That act was tantamount to Saul consulting a witch. SDA's have consulted a Warlock, the chief Warlock, Satan himself. A fallen angel becomes a fiend.
Here is the link to the article: None Dare Call it Apostasy http://www.steps2life.org/library/jgrosball/nonedare_1.htm
Bryan and Ulicia (last name withheld) have a conflict of interest in calling apostasy by its right name. Bryan’s father is an SDA minister, as is Ulicia’s husband. But beyond that, they both seem blind to the gravity of the apostasy of the church leaders. It is that apostasy that has made true reformers necessary.