How Antichrist Idolatry Was

Smuggled Into the New Movement

Adventist Church in 1930

Anthing that supplants God’s truth is as idolatry practiced by the supplanter(s). This fact is evinced by the following statement.

"Worldly policy is taking the place of true piety and wisdom that comes from above, and God will remove His prospering hand from the conference. Shall the ark of the covenant be removed from this people? Shall idols be smuggled in? Shall false principles and false precepts be brought into the sanctuary? Shall antichrist be respected? Shall the true doctrines and principles given us of God, which have made us what we are, be ignored?.... This is directly where the enemy, through blinded, unconsecrated men, is leading us." E. G. White, Manuscript 29, 1890.

 

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THE ALPHA AND OMEGA OF DEADLY HERESIES  

THE ALPHA AND OMEGA OF DEADLY HERESIES  OF SDA CHURCH THAT WILL PREVENT MOST OF THE FOUNDERS OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM FROM JOINING THE CHURCH TODAY IF THEY HAD TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE DENOMINATION'S FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS

 

The following article consists of some questions concerning the alpha and omega of apostasy, with answering quotes from Ellen White and a couple of other sources which make it very clear that there is one doctrine embraced by the SDA church today, which fulfills the specifications of the predicted Omega heresy, and that this doctrine is the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

The prophet cautioned, “In the book ' Living Temple ' there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies.” 1 Selected Messages page 200.

 

“To church members she wrote, “I must warn our brethren and sisters not to enter into controversy over the presence and personality of God. The statements made in ' Living Temple ' in

 

regard to this point are incorrect. The Scripture used to substantiate the doctrine there set forth, is Scripture misapplied.

 

I am compelled to speak in denial of the claim that the teachings in ' Living Temple ' can be sustained by statements from my writings. There may be in this book expressions and sentiments that are

 

in harmony with my writings. And there may be in my writings many statements which, taken from their connection, and interpreted according to the mind of the writer of ' Living Temple ', would seem to be in harmony with the teachings of this book. This may give apparent support to the assertion that the

 

sentiments in ' Living Temple ' are in harmony with my writings. But God forbid that this sentiment should prevail.” 1 Selected Messages page 203.

 

Again the prophet gave a warning. “The Omega will be of a most startling nature.” (Series B, no. 2, page 16) “The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given.” “I knew that the omega would follow in a little while; and I trembled for our people.” (Series B, no. 2, pp. 50, 53)

 

Today, acceptance of the 27 Fundamentals, which includes the Trinity doctrine, is necessary to be part of the corporate S. D. A. Church.

 

False concepts about God constituted the “alpha” of apostasy and false concepts about God constitute the “omega” of apostasy. As we shall below carefully examine Sister White's statements concerning the “omega” we will see that the Trinity doctrine and its acceptance within the larger body of Adventism perfectly fits her predictions.

 

Let us consider the following candid acknowledgment by Elder William Johnson, editor of the Adventist Review:

 

“Some Adventists today think that our beliefs have remained unchanged over the years, or they seek to turn back the clock to some point when we had everything just right. But all attempts to recover such “historic Adventism” fail in view of the facts of our heritage.

 

Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of “present truth.” Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord. Many of the pioneers, including James White, J. N. Andrews, Uriah Smith, and J. H. Waggoner, held to an Arian or semi-Arian view—that is, the Son at some point in time before the Creation of our world was generated by the Father.

 

Likewise, the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. Even today a few do not subscribe to it.” (Adventist Review, January 6, 1994, page 10, 11)

 

 

LET US NOW CONSIDER THE ALPHA OF DEADLY HERESIES

 

1. SOME IN THE SDA CHURCH CLAIM TODAY THAT THE GODHEAD CONTROVERSY IS OF LITTLE IMPORTANCE. WHAT REPERCUSSION IS IT TO HAVE A FALSE CONCEPT OF GOD?

 

 

ANSWER: It is a salvation issue.

 

“Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.” Jeremiah 2:11

 

“Are we followers of God as dear children, or are we servants of the prince of darkness? Are we worshipers of Jehovah, or of Baal? of the living God, or of idols?  No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes.They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God.”- Testimonies for the church volume five, page 173.

 

2. The teachings of which book was referred to as “The Alpha of deadly heresies” (SelectedMessages bk.1, p.200) by Ellen White and what was the name of the author?

 

ANSWER: Dr. John Harvey Kellogg was the author and the title of his book that Ellen White referred to was “The Living Temple.”

 

To Dr Kellogg she said, “You are not definitely clear on the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself.” Letter 300 1903. The Early Elmshaven Years. Vol. 5. 1900-1905 by Arthur L White 1941.

 

3. WHAT WAS THE MAIN ISSUE IN THE ALPHA HERESY?

 

 

ANSWER: The main issue was the doctrine of God as she called it 'the personality of God”.

 

 

“I have been instructed by the heavenly messenger that some of the reasoning in the book Living Temple is unsound...It introduces that which is nought but speculation in regard to the personality of God and where His presence is. . .”

 

“One and another come to me, asking me to explain the positions taken in Living Temple . I reply, “They are unexplainable.” The sentiments expressed do not give a true knowledge of God. All through the book are passages of Scripture. These scriptures are brought in in such a way that error is made to appear as truth.”(Selected Messages bk.1, p. 201)

 

“The spiritualistic theories regarding the personality of God, followed to their logical conclusion, sweep away the whole Christian economy.” (SelectedMessages bk.1, p. 204)

 

“These theories regarding God make His word of no effect, and those who accept them are in great danger of being led finally to look upon the whole Bible as a fiction. . .” (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 8, page 291)

 

 

4. What did Dr Kellogg really believe when he wrote his book 'The Living Temple '?

 

 

ANSWER: “As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in 'The Living Temple', the whole thing may be simmered down to the question: Is the Holy Ghost a person? You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for the reason that the personal pronoun 'he' is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun 'he' and has said in so many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see.” Letter: J H Kellogg to G. I. Butler . Oct 28. 1903.

 

“I believe this Spirit of God to be a personality you don't. But this is purely a question of definition. I believe the Spirit of God is a personality; you say, No, it is not a personality. Now the only reason why we differ is because we differ in our ideas as to what a personality is. Your idea of personality is perhaps that of semblance to a person or a human being. (Letter from J. H. Kellogg to G. I. Butler, February 21, 1904)

 

5. what did Brother Butler say to Dr Kellogg?

 

ANSWER: Elder Butler did not agree that Kellogg properly represented Sister White's thoughts in The Living Temple. Replying to Dr. Kellogg he wrote:

 

          God dwells in us by His Holy Spirit, as a Comforter, as a Reprover, especially the former. When we come to Him we partake of Him in that sense, because the Spirit comes forth from him; it comes forth from the Father and the Son. It is not a person walking around on foot, or flying as a literal being, in any such sense as Christ and the Father are - at least, if it is, it is utterly beyond my comprehension of the meaning of language or words. (Letter from G. I. Butler to J. H. Kellogg, April 5, 1904)

 

6. What did he say when he wrote to Brother Prescott? 

 

 

ANSWER: In 1903, the Autumn Council was held in Washington DC , and immediately after the council, Brother Kellogg wrote to W. W. Prescott defending his position. “You, Elder Daniells, and others have spoken about a fine line of distinction, but I could not quite see what it was, but this statement by Sister White makes it clear to me. The difference is this: When we say God is in the tree, the word 'God' is understood in that the Godhead is in the tree, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, whereas the proper understanding in order that wholesome conceptions should be preserved in our minds, is that God the Father sits upon his throne in heaven where God the Son is also; while God's life, or Spirit or presence is the all-pervading power which is carrying out the will of God in all the universe.” Letter: J H Kellogg to W. W. Prescott. Oct 25. 1903.

 

7. REGARDING CHANGES TO THE BOOK, “ LIVING TEMPLE ”, WHAT DID BROTHER DANIELLS WROTE TO W.C. WHITE?

 

ANSWER: “Ever since the council closed I have felt that I should write you confidentially regarding Dr Kellogg's plans for revising and republishing 'The Living Temple'…. He (Kellogg) said that some days before coming to the council, he had been thinking the matter over, and began to see that he had made a slight mistake in expressing his views. He said that all the way along he had been troubled to know how to

 

state the character of God and his relation to his creation works… He then stated that his former views regarding the trinity had stood in his way of making a clear and absolutely correct statement; but that within a short time he had come to believe in the trinity and could now see pretty clearly where all the difficulty was, and believed that he could clear the matter up satisfactorily.

 

He told me that he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; and his view was that it was God the Holy Ghost, and not God the Father, that filled all space, and every living thing. He said if he had believed this before writing the book, he could have expressed his views without giving the wrong impression the book now gives.

 

I placed before him the objections I found in the teaching, and tried to show him that the teaching was so utterly contrary to the gospel that I did not see how it could be revised by changing a few expressions.

 

We argued the matter at some length in a friendly way; but I felt sure that when we parted, the doctor did not understand himself, nor the character of his teaching. And I could not see how it would be possible for him to flop over, and in the course of a few days fix the books up so that it would be all right.”

 

Letter: A G Daniells to W C White. Oct 29. 1903 page 1.2.

 

 

8. Did Sister White change her own understanding of the doctrines given at the beginning?

 

 

ANSWER:Speaking of herself in the third person, Ellen White wrote, “I understood that some were anxious to know if Mrs. White still held the same views that she did years ago when they had heard her speak in the sanitarium grove, in the Tabernacle, and at the camp meetings held in the suburbs of Battle Creek . I assured them that the message she bears today is the same that she has borne during the sixty years of her public ministry.She has the same service to do for the Master that was laid upon her in her girlhood. She receives lessons from the same Instructor. The directions given her are, 'Make known to others what I have revealed to you. Write out the messages that I give you, that the people may have them'.This is what she has endeavored to do.” 1 Selected Messages page 35. 1906.

 

“The greatness of God is to us incomprehensible. 'The Lord's throne is in heaven' (Psalm 11:4); yet by His Spirit He is everywhere present. He has an intimate knowledge of, and a personal interest in, all the works of His hand.” Education page 132. 1903.

 

LET US NOW CONSIDER THE OMEGA OF DEADLY HERESY

 

9. WHEN WOULD THE OMEGA HERESY BE INTRODUCED INTO THE SDA CHURCH ?

 

ANSWER:  In a little while, shortly after the time of the Kellogg apostasy (shortly after 1904). Let us note that the Trinity was introduced into the Church in the 1920s by Leroy Froom.

 

[Note by Ron Beaulieu: Actually it was 1930 that this antichrist doctrine of Rome was first smuggled into the SDA church. Ellen White prophesied such “smugglings,” to wit:

 

"Worldly policy is taking the place of true piety and wisdom that comes from above, and God will remove His prospering hand from the conference. Shall the ark of the covenant be removed from this people? Shall idols be smuggled in? Shall false principles and false precepts be brought into the sanctuary? Shall antichrist be respected? Shall the true doctrines and principles given us of God, which have made us what we are, be ignored?.... This is directly where the enemy, through blinded, unconsecrated men, is leading us." E. G. White, Manuscript 29, 1890.

 

Every person who knows of this abominations of all abominations, is corporately responsible for it as long as he/she remains a supporting member of the apostate new movement SDA church. End note by Ron.

 

“ Living Temple contains the alpha of these theories. I knew that the omega would follow in a little while; and I trembled for our people.” (Selected Messages bk.1, page 203)

 

 

10. WHAT WOULD BE THE MAIN ISSUE IN THE OMEGA HERESY?

 

Answer: The doctrine of God “ Living Temple contains the alpha of these theories. I knew that the omega would follow in a little while; and I trembled for our people. I knew that I must warn our brethren and sisters not to enter into controversy over the presence and personality of God...”

 

(Selected Messages bk.1, page 203)

 

11. WOULD IT BE RECEIVED?

 

Answer: It would be received by those who did not heed the warning.

 

“In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given.”

 

(Selected Messages bk.1, page 200)

 

12. WHAT WOULD BE THE RESULT OF THE CHURCH'S ACCEPTING THE OMEGA HERESY?

 

Answer: It would result in a change of our religion. This change consists of the rejection of the pioneer concept of God and the acceptance of the Trinity.

 

“The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation

 

to take place, what would result! The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamentalprinciples that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. (Selected Messages bk.1, page 204)

 

13. HAS THE CURRENT SDA CHURCH ACCEPTED THE OMEGA OF DEADLY HERESY?

 

ANSWER: Yes. There has been a change in the doctrine of the S. D. A. Church. The General Conference of SDA church at Dallas in 1980 officially voted statement that affirmed the Trinitarian teaching.

 

          The following quotation is from the Ministry Magazine of October 1993, page 10. This magazine is an official publication of the S.D.A. Church , published for Seventh Day Adventist ministers. This article was written by George Knight, a professor at Andrews University . He says:

 

"Most of the founders of Seventh-Day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denomination's fundamental beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2 which deals with the doctrine of the Trinity".(Ministry magazine of October 1993, page 10.)

 

 

“In the balances of the sanctuary the Seventh-day Adventist church is to be weighed. She will be judged by the privileges and advantages that she has had. If her spiritual experience does not correspond to the advantages that Christ, at infinite cost, has bestowed on her, if the blessings conferred have not qualified her to do the work entrusted to her, on her will be pronounced the sentence: "Found wanting." By the light bestowed, the opportunities given, will she be judged.” {8T, p 247}.

 

“Of those who boast of their light, and yet fail to walk in it, Christ says, 'but I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the Day of Judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom , it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the Day of Judgment, than for thee.' At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent [in their own estimation], and hast revealed them unto babes.” {RH, August 1, 1893}. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE].

 

14. WHAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY SAFETY FOR TRUE AND HONEST SOULS IN THE SDA CHURCH AS OMEGA IS NOW FULFILLING RIGHT BEFORE THEM?

 

 

Answer:"Our holy faith cries out separation."- {ST, February 19, 1880 par. 1}

 

“As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church; but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience.” {DA, p 232}.

 

“You are exhorted to touch not the unclean thing; for in touching this, you will yourself become unclean. It is impossible for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure”. {RH, January 2, 1900}.

 

“We have a testing message to give, and I am instructed to say to our people, "Unify, unify." But we are not to unify with those who are departing from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils”. Manuscript 31, 1906. {3SM, p 412}.

 

“As in the days of Noah and Lot , there must be a marked separation from sin and sinners… There was a coming out, a decided (Dict: Decided : clearly marked, distinct, vigorous and determined.) separation FROM the wicked, and escape for life. So it was in the days of Noah, so with Lot; So with the disciples prior to the destruction of Jerusalem ; (So with the Reformers and so with the founders of the SDA movement.) And so it will be in the last days. ”{ Patriarchs and Prophet, p 167}.

 

15. Has Ellen White ever prophesied that God's people just before the falling of the plagues will be called out of the SDA churches?

 

ANSWER: YES!

 

“One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, – the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. . . . ”(Special Testimonies, Series B7, p. 57-8)

 

“I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them.” {EW, p 261}.

 

The most fearful news here is the prophecy that those who will reject the call to come out of the SDA churches and the fallen churches will experience an 'excitement', coming from Satan to deceive them into thinking that 'God is with them".

 

I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness. {EW 124.3}

 

 

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Written by Koos, February 11, 2010

 

So we have it from the Old Testament being confirmed in the New Testament, that Jesus Christ is God, though not the Father.

 

If the Holy Ghost is not God in his being, then how can Jesus call God YHWH His Father, yet is it expressedly stated in the gospel:

 

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was

espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick

example, was minded to put her away privilege.

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto

him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 

If Mary was with child of the Holy Ghost, then why does Jesus call God His Father and yet claim that He shall still send the Comforter?

 

How can He call God His Father and not be a liar, while it is clearly stated that He was conceived of the Holy Spirit?

 

There is only one of two options left open here: either Jesus lied in calling God His father, if the Holy ghost is not of the same being as the Father, or the Holy ghost and the Father and the Son are three distinct persons in one Godhood.

 

It is telling that 1John 5:7-8 is being translated out of the modern bible transgressions, to read commonly, something to the like of:

 

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:

1Jn 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

 

This is to deny Jesus Christ His Godhood, so He may become the ascended master jesus (decapitalised on purpose) of the New Age; and to deny the Holy Spirit His Godhood, so that all spirits may be considered of the same god, and therefore all gods be one under different names.

 

It is not a small error.

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Written by Koos, February 11, 2010

 

Just curious: What do you make of 1 John 5:7-8 in the KJV?

 

1 Jn 5:7-8: 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (notice that they are one, which is quite different from verse 8

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

And also the following three verses, which somehow seem to confirm it, even if only by their agreement on the matter:

 

Isa 45:23:I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

 

Rom 14:11:For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

 

Php 2:9-11:Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which

is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory

of God the Father.

 +0   Contribution of Catholic Church to Present Christian Doctrines

Written by Yesudas Nathan, July 08, 2009

 

To those who are sincerely after the truth about the teaching of Jesus.

 

I write this as a lay man who feels fooled by the present established churches regarding the nature of God. Knowing well it is impossible for man being a physical form to know God(spirit) fully, at the same time being aware that humans are created in the image of God, I know(no indefinite feelings here) any theology propounded should be in conformity with the God given natural conscience and rationality.

 

The present doctrinal base is the printed materials selected and approved by the catholic church giving support to one of the two streams of traditional groups one called the Apostolic(those who followed the disciples of Jesus) and the other Pauline(the people who followed Paul). There was a schism existing as the records goes, from the last apart of the first century between these two groups. Paul was accused of bringing Roman traditions into the teachings of Jesus. The Catholic church supported the Pauline group and suppressed the other.

 

It is a very sensitive matter for any christian to question the writings of Paul. The question is what was the part played by the catholic church in including the writings of Paul in the new Testament. Do we have access to the original manuscripts? Are we not following those which were coded and approved by the catholic church? I understand some of the manuscripts are not opened to the public but are kept safe in the Papal library. We are treading dangerous grounds here, as Mrs. white said. What Jesus taught was a very rationally consistent nature of God since He was a Jew and had no conflict. He never questioned the Jewish theology, but the practical life of the Jews.

 

So I want to ask the people who are dealing with the issue of "Trinity", have you studied the manuscripts written in the second century and the belief systems of the early followers of Christ, which were rejected by the then Catholic Church? Do you know why the North African Church did not accept the church of Rome in the 3rd century? Have you considered the existence of the issue of trinity before Arius? And Why? What was the part played by the church of Carthage in opposing the church of Rome?

 

This is a serious matter demanding in depth study. You cannot solve this issue unless you go to the second century manuscripts as research student and not as a "christian". You should be ready to be shaken to the roots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Written by Moller Maher, February 23, 2009

 

I don't believe in trinity

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Written by Natalie K, February 23, 2009

 

Dear Rawle Pierre,

 

We appreciate your comments and concerns. I think that we will both agree that to pick at words would be futile, so I would simply like to direct your attention to the following links that will that will give some insight as to how the SDA Church is forsaking the truths it was founded upon and is deliberately shrinking the breach between them and the papacy:

 

http://worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/an-appeal-to-sdas.html

http://worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/chronology-of-sda-apostasy.html

 

You might be interested to see what this says: http://worldslastchance.com/fo...issue.html

 

God bless you.

In His love and service,

WLC Team

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Written by rawle pierre, February 21, 2009

 

Firstly, with regards to question 15 on separation from SDA churches, your first quote deals with apostasy continuing until the second coming. If apostasy is about leaving, then it is synonymous with separation and therefore it is Satan who is behind separation.

Secondly, you deal with "among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches". But these cannot be referring to established sda churches since Ellen White would not refer to these with the vague term "religious bodies" which rather is a polite reference to the multitude of other religious denominations. I think that you have stretched the grammar here way too much. To conclude such would be to subscribe to the concept that Satan only wants to ensnare SDAs but he doesen't really 'have' the other sheep whom God will ultimately call, does he?

Thirdly, I agree that our SDA leaders should not 'sell out' to any other religious bodies, but you have given no insight as to the nature of such 'negotiations' or the context of the presence of sda leaders at certain meetings. Certainly there should be openness to the church membership at large on the nature of these 'meetings' but indicating the worst without providing evidence other than 'present at the scene of the crime' is perhaps unfair.

Fourthly, Jesus was very clear to His disciples that He would resurrect himself; obedient unto death, yes, but still holding the keys of life and death. God cannot die. Jesus became human so that He could die for us. He remained God so that He could live for us and offer salvation to us. For him to die as God and need to be resurrected by the Father would mean that He would have to be granted life and divinity by the Father. The Bible does not support this.

Fifthly, the Holy SPirit does not have an 'image' for man to be made into, so that is a hard sell.

Lastly, I have a burden for my local SDA church in Trinidad, West Indies, and its role. I think rather than utilizing resources on separating, which can be an infinitely unending sprial, we should try to utilise resources and system and procedures to make things right, rather than cut and run so we can do our own 'right thing'. There is tremendous counsel on making things right and it would be pointless to keep separating whenever things don't go right.

Thanks for your time - love the videos so far.

 -1   [b]WHAT DOCTRINE IS THE CURRENT SDA CHURCH TEACHES IN COMMON WITH ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH?[/b]

Written by afolabi samuel, November 07, 2008

 

QUESTION:WHAT DOCTRINE IS THE CURRENT SDA CHURCH TEACHES IN COMMON WITH ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH?

 

ANSWER: The Trinity doctrine. And this conclusively make them daughter of the mother church- Babylon.

 

Babylon is said to be "the mother of harlots." By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God, in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world.' The Great Controversy 1911 ed, page 382.

 

"The term ‘Babylon’ is derived from ‘Babel,’ and signifies confusion. It is employed in Scripture to designate the various forms of false or apostate religion." "The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt.” The Great Controversy, page 381, 383.

 

ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

"The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church." (Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11)

 

SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH

In the 1980 General Conference session at Dallas, Texas SDA church officially adopted the Trinity as a teaching of Adventism they stated: "While no single Scripture passage states the doctrine of the Trinity, it is assumed as a fact... only by faith can we accept the existence of the Trinity." (Special Edition of the Review & Herald)

 

The Trinity: "There is one God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons. God is immortal, all powerful, all knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. He is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation." Taken from current Baptismal certificate

 

"The origin of the human race is found in a divine council. God said, ‘Let Us make man’ (Gen. 1:26). The plural ‘Us’ refers to the trinitarian Godhead ... God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS BELIEVE - Page 80.

 

ELLEN WHITE DISAGREES:"After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God said to His Son, "Let us make man in our image." (The Story of Redemption, page 20, 21)

 

"Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter. Thou art thy mother's [Rome's] daughter, that loatheth her husband [Christ] and her children [God's professed people who preach the three angels' messages]; and thou art the sister of thy sisters [apostate Protestantism]..." Ezekiel 16:44-45.

 

"There is no need to marvel that the church is not vivified by the Holy Spirit's power. Men and women are setting aside the instruction Christ has given. Anger and covetousness are obtaining the victory. The soul-temple is full of wickedness. There is no room for Christ. Men follow their own perverse ways. They will not heed the words of the Saviour. They take themselves into their own hands, rejecting reproofs and warnings, until the candlestick is moved out of its place, and spiritual discernment is confused by human ideas. Though deficient in service, they justify themselves, saying, "The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord are we." They set the law of God aside to follow the light of their own imagination." {RH, April 8, 1902 par. 10}

 

My Guide said, "This work will be sowing seed for time and for eternity." And then the instruction was given, "The angels of the Lord will go before him. He will be accounted out of line. But many ought to be out of the lines that have been maintained to be the regular routine, and unless they themselves come into line, they will say, 'The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord are we.' Unless that temple is purified, cleansed, sanctified, God will not give them His presence in the temple of which they boast." . . . {3MR 264.2}

 

The message for this time is not, "The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord are we." Whom does the Lord receive as vessels unto honor? Those who cooperate with Christ, those who believe the truth, who live the truth, who proclaim the truth in all its bearings. {SpM 321.6}

 

In His love and service,

WLC Team.

 

 

 -1   Alpha and Omega of Apostasy

Written by Charles Cleveland, November 05, 2008

 

I agree with the article, which makes the point that the Omega of Apostacy is the entering in to controversy regarding the presence and personality of God. By doing so, we are in effect "negotiating" with those who do not hold fast to the doctrine as held by historic (pioneer) Adventists, and thus we elevate error and heresy to an equal footing with truth. This (controversy) is the error that will lead us into deeper deception (trinity, immortality of the soul, security of the believer, ecumenism, and so on....

 

We must not try to be wise above that which is written. Only such as has been revealed to us in God's holy word (the Bible), and by the Spirit of Prophecy, is safe ground for us.

 

The traditions of men, and the broad way, have been wicked snares for the faithful since the beginning of the church. Our Saviour warned us beforehand. The warning was repeated to us through the Spirit of Prophecy, if we will receive it.

 

"Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one! Deu 6:4 Again,Jn 10:30 "I and My Father are one". This is not negotiable.

 

Charles

 

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