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----- Original Message -----

From: luke19v10


Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:14 PM

Subject: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Recent trip to the Gulf of Mexico


Thank you Brother James for the clarification. I wonder whether the information about the fake capping of the well is true. It states that the well that was capped was one that was leaking earlier and not the more recent leak. Also it is apparent to me that, by the ongoing use of the dispersant- corexit [or whatever it is they are using], the oil does not appear on the top of the water but mixes with the dispersant and sinks underwater. Wouldn't this make less of the oil accumulate on the beaches? Reminds me of the church harlot, how they cover up the defilement underneath!


I also want understand how to execute a proper response to Ron's call out message. So that it would not be "prompted by impulse or fanaticism," that has been "brought about by overwhelming evidence" (AA 124.3). 







----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu


Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:30 AM

Subject: Fw: A Warning, Shaking Message


Ron’s response to Brian


Brother Brian wrote: "I also want understand how to execute a proper response to Ron's call out message. So that it would not be 'prompted by impulse or fanaticism,' that has been "brought about by overwhelming evidence"' (AA 124.3). 


Ron responds: Here is the Acts of Apostles statement in the context of Paul's change of faith that had not been prompted by impulse or fanaticism but by overwhelming evidence, after which I pose a few questions:


"As Paul preached Christ in Damascus, all who heard him were amazed and said, "Is not this he that destroyed
them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?"
Paul declared that his change of faith had not been prompted by impulse or fanaticism, but had been brought about by overwhelming evidence. In his presentation of the gospel he sought to make plain the prophecies relating to the first advent of Christ. He showed conclusively that these prophecies had been literally fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth. The foundation of his faith was the sure word of prophecy. {AA 124.3}


     As Paul continued to appeal to his astonished hearers to "repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance" (Acts 26:20), he "increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ." But many hardened their hearts, refusing to respond to his message, and soon their astonishment at his conversion was changed into intense hatred like that which they had shown toward Jesus. {AA 125.1}


     The opposition grew so fierce that Paul was not allowed to continue his labors at Damascus. A messenger from heaven bade him leave for a time, and he "went into Arabia" (Galatians 1:17), where he found a safe retreat. {AA 125.2}


     Here, in the solitude of the desert, Paul had ample opportunity for quiet study and meditation. He calmly reviewed his past experience and made sure work of repentance. He sought God with all his heart, resting not until he knew for a certainty that his repentance was accepted and his sin pardoned. He longed for the assurance that Jesus would be with him in his coming ministry. He emptied his soul of
the prejudices and traditions that had hitherto shaped his life, and received instruction from the Source of truth. Jesus communed with him and established him in the faith, bestowing upon him a rich measure of wisdom and grace."
{AA 125.3}


Questions for prayer and meditation:

·       First of all, is Ron's warning message merely Ron's message?

·       Is Ron's warning message based on overwhelming evidence of what occurred in the last "literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9?"

·       Are the calls of Matthew 22:1-10 part of the evidence?

·       Is Matthew 22:7 the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 in A.D. 70?

·       Are the abominations for which we are to sigh and cry based on truth or are they based on mere impulse and/or fanaticism?

·       If my warning message is not the shaking message, what is? Is the message based on the type/antitype fulfillment of Ezekiel 9?

·       Does corporate responsibility accrue for all the abominations when they are known? Is corporate responsibility a principle of Scripture and clearly stated by Ellen White, part of the overwhelming evidence or is it based on impulse and/or fanaticism? 

·       In the typical fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, were true Christians gathered out into home churches?

·       Is the omega of apostasy new movement's fulfillment based on provable fact or impulse and/or fanaticism?

·       Have true reformers of every succeeding age separated from the church of their fathers for ONE REASON--being that the ecclesiastical leaders would not tolerate the light of truth?

·       Will the omega of apostasy SDA leaders tolerate light concerning forbidden ecumenical involvement and the evil of the trinity doctrine?

·       Will such leaders tolerate light on the proper former rendition of the human nature of Christ that appeared in Bible Readings for the Home prior to 1949, when the last GC President said that he would not permit the issue to be discussed on his watch and asked what SDA in any third world country would care about that issue which Ellen White said means everything to us.

·       The human nature of Christ means everything to us because by the correct teaching on that issue we believe that Jesus was our example in overcoming. By the improper rendition of that issue, we could not possibly overcome and Jesus would have to go on pardoning sin and the sanctuary could never be cleansed of sin.

·       Is the Celebration Movement which copies Babylon's methods of worship, based on truth or is it based on impulse and/or fanaticism? That movement derives from Vatican II and Pentecostalism. Are we to embrace it and/or support those who do?

·       Is the Celebration Movement the precise fulfillment of Ellen White's statement about what would be brought into our campmeetings JUST BEFORE THE CLOSE OF PROBATION?

·       Has the new movement fulfilled Jeremiah 11:9-15 by the above violations? Do these violations constitute idolatry?

·       Is ecumenical liaison with Babylon AFTER KNOWING THE TRUTH, violation of the second angel's message and the Midnight Cry? Does Ellen White say all who KNOWINGLY violate these messages will find it impossible to get back on the pathway to heaven? Is her statement about this in Word to the Little Flock, p. 14, based on Isaiah 8:9-12, or is it based on impulse and/or fanaticism?

·       Ellen White said that the personality of God and Christ are pillar doctrines. She said the omega of apostasy would involve those pillars. The Trinity Doctrine certainly alters the personality of Christ and the "highest good, crowning sacrifice heaven can bestow" by obfuscating the sacrifice of the Son of God at His Incarnation, by teaching the lie that the Holy Spirit, the soul of His life, always existed as a third person. This sweeps away the Sanctuary and the Atonement and the entire Christian economy? What could be worse than this? Telling the people to keep Sunday? I don't think so! Why? Because we are talking about the "highest good and crowning gift heaven can bestow" on mankind.

·       Is the omega of apostasy new movement the commandment-keeping people of God when SDA leaders have (since the 1980's) instructed Russian parents to send their children to school on Sabbath? Is this obedience to God or Caesar? Is this all as bad as telling the members to keep Sunday? If not, why not--as far as principle is concerned?

·       Are these very serious life and death issues, based on Bible principles, mere fanaticism and impulse, or are they based on facts that constitute the abominations for which we are to sigh and cry, and for which sighing and crying, our very sealing is conditional?

·       Are the above issues some of the most serious reasons why Ezekiel 9 will be literally fulfilled again BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, and not wayward individuals here and there?

·       Ellen White tells us that we do not know the worst abominations that offend God.

·       If these issues are not valid shaking issues and are only based on impulse and fanaticism, what are the abominations for which we are to sigh and cry?

·       Paul left the apostate system because he feared his followers would be wrongfully influenced by the corrupt Jewish Temple church. Was that separation by Paul, Christ, His disciples and their followers based on mere impulse and fanaticism or was that history penned for our ensample?

What more valid evidence would you be looking for Brother Brian or anyone else? If you or anyone else won't be convinced by this evidence, what would convince you? I pray that you will not be found waiting for more convincing evidence, because it will never come. Can James give you more valid evidence? Is all this evidence based on mere impulse and fanaticism? You and you alone can decide as far as your personal case is concerned. 


     “The abominations for which the faithful ones were sighing and crying were all that could be discerned by finite eyes, but by far the worst sins, those which provoked the jealousy of the pure and holy God, were unrevealed. The great Searcher of hearts knoweth every sin committed in secret by the workers of iniquity. These persons come to feel secure in their deceptions and, because of His long-suffering, say that the Lord seeth not, and then act as though He had forsaken the earth. But He will detect their hypocrisy and will open before others those sins which they were so careful to hide.” {5T 211.3}


I have responded to your question and I would appreciate your response. I would appreciate a response from every member of this forum, for if I am wrong, and any of you remain silent, my blood will be on your backs.


 "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.      


“Christ was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry.  {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}


Paul left


"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.


"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.


Leave them "If God has any new light to communicate, He will let His chosen and beloved understand it, without their going to have their minds enlightened by hearing those who are in darkness and error. {EW 124.2}


“I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness. {EW 124.3} 


I saw that we have no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus diverted, but should be occupied with the present truth,..." EW p. 125. 


"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.


 "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.  


 "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.


Scripture on Home Churches 


Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.


In Jesus' love,