Where and When Were the Disciples and Their Followers Sealed by the Man in Linen?


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Which Jerusalem are we sealed in? Which Jerusalem were the disciples and their followers sealed in per Ezekiel 9? There were two church headquarters in Jerusalem. The headquarters of Jesus’ disciples and the headquarters of the apostate Temple Synagogue. Based on the facts cited below, which was the true church wherein the people wept between the porch and the alter. Which Jerusalem church were folk sealed in? Which were the disciples sealed in? Who sealed the Christian followers of Christ. Were the disciple told that whomever they bound (sealed) on earth, were sealed in heaven? Yes. So the “gathered out,” sealed (bound) the gathered out Christians. This is a historical fact and the following evidence is proof perfect.

Keep in mind the fact that the 490 years of probation granted to Israel (Daniel 9) ended in A.D. 34, commensurate with the stoning of Stephen. So apostate Israel was not officially judged before that point in history and thus Ezekiel 9 could not have occurred before that point in history. This is a crucial fact to remember.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net> wrote:


Were the good sealed Jews standing around in the Temple when the Romans slaughtered the apostate Jews in A.D. 70? No! They fled 3 1/2 years before to Pella and they had left the Temple for home churches from A.D. 34 and on. Please read Chapter 1 of The Great Controversy, to learn history properly.




DT’s response:


----- Original Message -----

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Yes there were sealed in Jerusalem!

The Holy Spirit was poured out in Jerusalem in Acts 2

Ephesians tells us that when that happened they were sealed

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.  (Ephesians 4:30, NKJV)

So another proof you message is false LOL



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Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:27 AM

Subject: Re: [Adventist-fm] Amazing Similarities between Israel and SDA's says Welch



Those who are sealed in Jerusalem (the Church)  will not be killed in the Ezekiel 9 Slaughter-- in your Satanic zeal you can not discern that God will not slaughter those in the Church who have the seal-- there are two parties in the Church one will suffer the Ezekiel 9 Slaughter and the other party will not--both parties are in the Church.


Ron’s response: DT maintains in many posts that one has to remain in the apostate SDA church (Jerusalem) in order to be sealed. Since God has given us the Old Testament as an example, that should be a reliable source for determining where and when the disciples and true Christians were sealed in the typical fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.

In the typical literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 (A.D. 27-70), those who were sealed (bound) by the disciples were gathered out of the apostate Jewish church into home churches. There was no virtue in the apostate Jewish church to seal anyone, especially after members of that church crucified Christ, at which time the veil was rent in the Temple, signifying the presence of God had departed.


In the typical literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 (A.D. 27-70) all true Christians were gathered out of the open sinning apostate Jewish Temple church into home churches. Why? Because it is impossible to unite with the corrupt and remain/become pure and mature as wheat. THREE PARTIES CONSISTING OF OPEN APOSTATE SINNERS, WHEAT AND TARES, WERE NOT IN THE HOME CHURCHES WHICH THE DISCIPLES FORMED. THERE ARE NOW THREE PARTIES IN THE NEW MOVEMENT CHURCH FORMED “AMONG,” WITHIN, THE PROFESSING SDA CHURCH. How do we know that for absolute positiveness? Because our very Ezekiel 9 sealing is CONDITIONAL upon sighing and crying for all the abominations in the church. When such abominations include conspiring and confederating with God’s enemies and joining their ecumenical Ministerial Associations and other confederacies, then the church is married into Satan’s Synagogue and we are no longer to pray for the church corporately, per Jeremiah 11:9-15. We then pray for individuals only who have not heard the warning truth.


Note: Ask your pastor if he belongs to the local Ministerial Association. Those associations are a local arm of the World Council of Churches ecumenical movement. I was told this by a PhD woman at the Canadian Council of Churches. Then read Isaiah 8:9-12. Read how those who “associate” with God’s enemies will be broken in pieces, stated three times for important emphasis. Then read Jeremiah 11:9-15, to find that when a generation of Israelites conspired/confederated with God’s enemies, it was unpardonable sin because He told Jeremiah to no longer pray for them.


"It is impossible for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14, 15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.


"Men in responsible positions are uniting with those in the church and out of the church, whose counsel is misleading." Testimonies, vol. 8, p. 69.


"We have a testing message to give, and I am instructed to say to our people, 'Unify, unify.' But we are not to unify with those who are departing from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. With our hearts sweet ad kind and true, we are to go forth to proclaim the message, giving no heed to those who lead away from the truth." Selected Messages, Bk. 3, p. 412 Series B, No. 2, p. 47.


"To divide our interests with the leaders of error is aiding the wrong side and giving advantage to our foes. The truth of God knows no compromise with sin, no connection with artifice, no union with transgression." Testimonies, Vol. 4, p. 81.


"Between the worldly man and the one who is faithfully serving God, there is a great gulf fixed. Upon the most momentous subjects,--God and truth and eternity,--their thoughts and sympathies and feelings are not in harmony. One class is ripening as wheat for the DTner of God, the other as tares for the fires of destruction. How can there be unity of purpose or action between them?" E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 6, p. 53.


"But while we are required to be Christlike toward those who are our enemies, we must not, in order to have peace, cover up the faults of those we see in error. Jesus, the world's Redeemer, never purchased peace by covering iniquity, or by anything like compromise. Though His heart was constantly overflowing with love for the whole human race, He was never indulgent to their sins. He was too much their friend to remain silent while they were pursuing a course which would ruin their souls--the souls He had purchased with His own blood. He was a stern reprover of all vice, and His peace was the consciousness of having done the will of His Father, rather than a condition of things that existed as the result of having done His duty." The Upward Look, 220.


     If Debate Cannot Be Avoided.--Whenever it is necessary for the advancement of the cause of truth and the glory of God, that an opponent be met, how carefully, and with what humility should they [the advocates of truth] go into the conflict. With heartsearching, confession of sin, and earnest prayer, and often fasting for a time, they should entreat that God would especially help them, and give His saving, precious truth a glorious victory, that error might appear in its true deformity, and its advocates be completely discomfited. . . . {Ev 165.2}


"Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation [E.G. White, Christ's Object Lessons,  p. 50]  To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.


This is precisely what New Movement Seventh-day Adventists (Selected Messages, vol. 1, 204-205), teaches—that justification is the sum and substance of religion.


... The Lord will not write as wise those who cannot distinguish between a tree that bears thorn-berries and a tree that bears olives. {EGW, RH, September 7, 1897 par. 15}


"The thorns of sin will grow in any soil they need no cultivation but grace must be carefully cultivated. The briers and thorns are always ready to spring up, and the work of purification must advance continually....

The thorns that have been cut off but not uprooted grow apace, until the soul [and/or the church] is overspread with them." E.G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, p. 50.


"The gospel seed often falls among thorns and noxious weeds and if there is not a moral transformation in the human heart, if old habits and practices and the former life of sin are not left behind, if the attributes of Satan are not expelled from the soul, [and/or the church] the wheat crop will be choked. The thorns will come to be the crop, and will kill out the wheat." Christ's Object Lessons, p. 50.


"Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interest prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation (COL 50). To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, 405.


Thorny ground hearers teach a false gospel that the sum and substance of religion is justification only. They teach one version of grace—pardon, when grace also means power from the Holy Spirit given for obedience—Romans 1:5.


... The Lord will not write as wise those who cannot distinguish between a tree that bears thorn-berries and a tree that bears olives. {EGW, RH, September 7, 1897 par. 15}




"To secure peace and unity they [the reformers in context] were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God but they felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war" (Great Controversy, p. 45).


The Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples in Jerusalem city on the typical Day of Pentecost. They were not then sealed at the Sanctuary Temple in Jerusalem, for just before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, the disciples were hiding in the upper room of Peter's Father's house for fear of the Jewish leaders at the Temple. Folk heard the truth from the disciples in their own language. This did not occur at the Temple. There was no virtue to the city of Jerusalem to seal anyone. The disciples were told to go to the Jew first, because Judgment begins at the House of God--those who had been privy to the truth. This is why they remained in Jerusalem city until they received power from on high.


But was Jerusalem favored of God to be preserved from Ezekiel 9 destruction. Nay. After destroying the Temple, the Roman soldiers destroyed the city proper.


When the Man in Linen went through Jerusalem to place a mark (seal) on all who were sighing and crying at the Temple Sanctuary church, residence in the city of Jerusalem was not residence MEMBERSHIP in the apostate church. How do we know this for an absolute fact? In A. D. 27, the first act of Jesus was to "gather out" the disciples who were to take the gospel to the world. Jesus and the disciples separated from the apostate church, to wit:


 "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232. 


Question: How were the disciples sealed in the apostate “Jerusalem” church if they were gathered out as the first act of Christ’s ministry in A.D. 27? If they were gathered out, why would they gather INTO THE APOSTATE TEMPLE the Jews they converted to Christianity? History says they did no such thing. They formed home churches:


Scripture on Home Churches


Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.


 "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.


Paul left


“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.  9But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.” Acts 19:8, 9.


“Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body.” E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 285, 286.


"The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.  



·       There are indeed only two parties in the true church—the wheat and the tares.

·       Tares are not open sinners because God and Ellen White said not to pluck up and remove the tares. Ellen White said they are insincere believers whose motives we would have to impugn (judge) in order to remove them. So tares are definitely not open sinner apostates, for open sinners are to be removed.

·       "Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church..." E. G. White,  Christ's Object Lessons, 71.

·         If open sinners are permitted to retain membership and they are in new movement Adventism—for the leaders have brought in the apostasy, then there are three parties in the church in violation of God’s instruction:

1.    Wheat.

2.    Tares (insincere believers) COL, 70-72, whose motives we would have to judge in order to remove them.

3.    Open, apostate sinners. And it is impossible to unite with corrupt apostates and mature as wheat and become/remain pure. That is God’s conclusion:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Ron Beaulieu <rsbeauli@telusplanet.net> wrote:


Adrian Welch's book says: "As we trace Israel’s journey through the wilderness, we will find amazing similarities between their experience and the Seventh-day Adventist Church."


Amen to that! Ellen White said that the church is walking exactly in the footsteps of the Jews and that it will experience a literal fulfillment of what Israel experienced via Ezekiel 9.


Ellen White also said SDA's are a COUNTERPART to the apostate Jews: 

COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White,  Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald,  11-07-82.                  

COUNTERPART: "In the time of the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the precious jewels of truth with the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it was impossible to distinguish the true from the false. The Saviour came to clear away the rubbish of superstition and long-cherished errors, and to set the jewels of God's word in the framework of truth. What would the Saviour do if he should come to us now as he did to the Jews? He would have to do a similar work in clearing away the rubbish of tradition and ceremony. The Jews were greatly disturbed when he did this work [As are SDAs today!]. They had lost sight of the original truth of God, but Christ brought it again to view. It is our work to free the precious truths of God from superstition and error." E.G. White,  Review and Herald, vol. 2, 308.   

There is a modern COUNTERPART to the ancient apostate "chosen people" of God. That modern COUNTERPART is the people who claim to be the modern "chosen people" of God, the remnant, God’s commandment-keeping people if you will. 

There are over 100 statements to the affect that SDAs are repeating the history of ancient Israel. Here are just a few of them: 

"I have been shown that the spirit of the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as did ancient Israel. There is the same falling away from your holy calling as God's peculiar people. You are having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Your [ecumenical] concord with unbelievers have provoked he Lord's displeasure. You know not the things that belong to your peace, and they are fast being hid from your eyes. [The very words applied to fallen Israel on page 17 of The Great Controversy] Your neglect to follow the light will place you in a more unfavorable position than the Jews upon whom Christ pronounced a woe." Testimonies, Vol. 5, pp. 75-76.  

"Like ancient Israel, the church has dishonored her God by departing from the light, neglecting her duties, and abusing her high and exalted privilege of being peculiar and holy in character. Her members have violated their covenant to live for God and him only. They have joined with the selfish and world-loving. Pride, the love of pleasure, and sin have been cherished, and CHRIST HAS DEPARTED. His Spirit has been quenched in the church. Satan works wide by side with professed Christians yet they are so destitute of spiritual discernment that they do not detect him." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 2, pp. 441-442.  

"Among the professed followers of Christ, there is the same pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, and OPPRESSION, that existed in the Jewish nation." E.G. White, Sketches from the Life of Paul, 251-252.  

"God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 440-441.