Why New Movement Adventism is no Longer God's Commandment-keeping People

by

James Franks

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Dear Reader,

 

On SDAIssues Internet forum, Teresa Q. asked if anyone would be interested in studying the commandments of God. I wrote back that I would be interested in studying the ways and means by which the professing SDA church, according to God, is violating the statutes of God more than any other denomiNATION, Ezekiel chapter 5:6-17. Remember that God and Ellen White said that all the ancient prophets wrote more for our admonition than for the Jews.

 

James Franks responded with an important study as to more explicitly how the church is violating God’s statutes. This document is for the purpose of presenting his timely and apropos enumeration of some of the more serious violations of God’s law that are being broken by the professing SDA church, while it and its members still make the claim that it is the commandment-keeping church. This claim, in and of itself, is a most blasphemous claim in light of the myriad violations of God’s commandments imbibed by the new movement-new organization Seventh-day Adventist church. Here is James’ response along with many excellent responses by Confidential.

 

rb

 

 

---- Original Message -----

From: jjams345

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:33 PM

Subject: [SDAIssues] Re: studying the 10 commandments

 

Ron wrote:

 

I would be interested in studying why God says that Jerusalem, the professing SDA church, breaks the commandments of God more than any other denomiNATION. Ezekiel Chapter 5.

 

Ron,

 

Do you mean something similar to (but not necessarily limited to) the following?:

 

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

 

#1. God raised up the Advent movement to give his threefold message of "worship reform". The very first of those three messages reiterate Exodus 20:1-3.

 

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14:6, 7.

 

The Advent movement rejected ALL of the abominations of worship that the Catholic Church bequeathed to her Protestant daughters. One of those abominations in specific is "the trinity". Why? Because the Adventist Pioneers understood that the Trinity has been Satan's masterpiece plan to find a place for himself "like the most High". (Isaiah 14:12-14)

God did in fact, raise up a people who WERE "free from the pagan-papal errors", and those people stayed that way until they died. Then, after their deaths, their "children" embraced Babylon, and [some of] her "unscriptural errors". This is a perfect example of the dictionary's definition of "apostasy", which is: a falling away - from that truth which God gave to his people. Note also, this is a clear example of violation of Exodus 20:12.

Consider also, 1903, when a General Conference President was elected, it had been proven by "the minority committee", whom Ellen White membered and agreed with: that if a man is at the helm, [much like the Pope], that displaces God as the leader of the Church, and Satan is then the leader.


Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

 

#2. Christmas Trees, Crosses, Easter Bunnies, - SDAs may not be worshipping these items, nonetheless these items are an offense to God, and should not be in his house.

 

Also, the "Church" itself, may not necessarily be "... any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: ...", Nonetheless, it is a tangible object.

 

Recall that Ellen White said that the Jews "worshipped the temple", in reference to the physical structure. SDAs today do this very thing! Don't believe me? Go onto any SDA discussion Forum, and start talking about "errors in the SDA church", and see how quickly you are familiarized with Ellen White's letter to Stanton and Caldwell.

 

All who sat in judgment against Stephen saw the light of the glory of God in his countenance. His countenance was lighted up like the face of an angel. He stood up full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and, beginning at the prophets, he brought them down to the advent of Jesus, his crucifixion, his resurrection and ascension, and showed them that the Lord dwelt not in temples made with hands. They worshiped the temple. Anything spoken against the temple filled them with greater indignation than if spoken against God. The spirit of Stephen was stirred with heavenly indignation as he cried out against them for being wicked, and uncircumcised in heart. Ye do always resist the Holy Spirit. They observed the outward ordinances, while their hearts were corrupt, and full of deadly evil. Stephen referred them to the cruelty of their fathers in persecuting the prophets, saying, Ye have slain them which shewed before the coming of the Just One, of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers. {1SG 88.1}

 

As Stephen stood before his judges, the light of the glory of God rested upon his countenance. "And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel." When called upon to answer to the charges brought against him, he began at Moses and the prophets and reviewed the history of the children of Israel and the dealings of God with them and showed how Christ had been foretold in prophecy. He referred to the history of the temple and declared that God dwelleth not in temples made with hands. The Jews worshiped the temple and were filled with greater indignation at anything spoken against that building than if it had been spoken against God. As Stephen spoke of Christ and referred to the temple, he saw that the people were rejecting his words; and he fearlessly rebuked them: "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost." While they observed the outward ordinances of their religion, their hearts were corrupt and full of deadly evil. He referred to the cruelty of their fathers in persecuting the prophets, and declared that those whom he addressed had committed a greater sin in rejecting and crucifying Christ. "Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers." {EW 198.1}

Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

#3. Is it taking the name of the LORD thy God in vain when one professes to be "Christian", and "God's true Church", and "the bride of Christ", but yet violate EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Ten Commandments (and a few of His other Commandments as well)?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

#4. Is it keeping the fourth commandment of God to come out and be a holy, peculiar people, when the church is holding joint-Easter sunrise services with Babylon?

 

What about the "sunday-keeping - Seventh-day Adventist churches" (in California, Nevada, and Oregon, etc..), are they honouring this Commandment?

Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

 

#5. Are we honouring our Adventist pioneers, who are in fact our "fathers and mothers", when we turn our backs on everything they worked so hard to establish, and teach us; and then we do the very things they told us specifically not to do, by ecumenically embracing Babylon (and her daughters), along with much of their false belief system, doctrines, and character.

 

"They (the leaders in 1888 - as well as many SDAs today) have but little faith in me or the messages the Lord has given me. It would not take a very strong movement to have a state of things created as in the days of old, and Korah, Dathan, and Abiram would come to the point. I do not want to be left the least dependent upon these men. What care they for my feelings or my prosperity." E.G. White, The 1888 Materials, vol. 3, 989.

 

One can reasonably conclude that Ellen white was very much a "loving mother" towards those whom she was to bear her messages, which are obviously from Our Heavenly Father.

 

Likewise, one can reasonably conclude that most any Adventist pioneer "man" was very much a "loving father" towards us "Adventist children"; regarding the instruction, counsel, etc.. which they patiently offered us. This too, is obviously from Our Heavenly Father.

Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

 

#6. " ... If doubts and unbelief are cherished, the faithful ministers will be removed from the people who think they know so much. ..." (SpTA11 8.1)

Several faithful pastors have been "removed (defrocked) from the church" in essence: killed off - murdered - by their fellow SDAs! Three pastors in particular: Raphael Perez - John Grosboll - Jan Marcussen - and MANY others.

Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

 

#7. The first SDA violation of this Commandment was her extramarital affair with "the world" in the early 1930's, when the General Conference adopted the [Roman controlled] U.S Government's Accreditation Standards for all SDA educational institutions. That "extramarital affair" continues to this very day!

 

The second violation of this Commandment was another extramarital affair with "the world", this time via ecumenical association and confederacy by joining various National Councils of Churches, under The World Council of Churches "mother/umbrella".

Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

 

#8. Is it violating this commandment of God when the professing SDA church commits fraud to the U.S. Government Medicare Program of nearly 9 million dollars?

 

What about using the tithe - God's Money! - to play the Stock market, or hire Catholic Lawyers to take the FAITHFUL BRETHREN to court? Surely these "Catholic Lawyers" used some of that money to pay their tithes to Rome. Thus, in effect, SDA leaders have "stolen" some of God's Money, and practically "gave" it directly to Rome!

 

The GC has also "stolen" some of God's Money, and "gave" it directly to Rome, via "annual membership dues" in the various ecumenical councils that we are FORBIDDEN to be any part of.

Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

#9. Is it violating this commandment of God to take your brother to court - as the SDA church is doing the world over? (I would counsel thee to think long and hard about this one friend, for one day soon YOU WILL face such a lawsuit -- assuming you don't die before the time of trouble begins, or accept the mark of the beast).

Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

#10. "They [Seventh-day Adventists] regret that their sense of world mission makes membership in the National Council and the World Council impracticable." (Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopedia, 1995 Edition - under the heading: "Ecumenism", emphasis mine).

 

This, however, is not the "regret" of FAITHFUL Adventist laymen.

 

The Seventh-day Adventist Church joined the WCC as early as 1965 and kept it from (lied to) us about it for 40 years. See: Bert B. Beach, So Much In Common, page 98).

 

Thus, the SDA Church "coveted" worldly acceptance SO MUCH, that she clearly violated MANY of God's Commandments in order to continue her extramarital affairs.

Exo 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

 

See also, Ezekiel chapters 1-9, for the rest of this story.


--- In SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Beaulieu" <rsbeauli@... wrote:

 Teresa,
 
 I would be interested in studying why God says that Jerusalem, the professing SDA church, breaks the commandments of God more than any other denomiNATION. Ezekiel Chapter 5.
 
 Ron

 

Confidential responded:

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Confidential

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] the sunday law

 

New Movement Adventists are doing just as you said they would Teresa, they attack those who hold on to the faith once delivered to the saints.  Your leaders take tithe money and hire Catholic Lawyers and then bring Law Suits against those who are giving the undiluted 3 Angels Messages to the world. They bring Satanic Rock Music in to the Worship Service, they go to restaurants on the Sabbath, they regard the Sabbath lightly. Your leaders teach 2 Gospels. They go to Rick Warren and follow his Purpose Driven Deceptions, they use NLP (a form of hypnosis on their members), they stand with their backs to the temple and worship the rising Sun at Easter Sunrise Services. Your leaders call the Pope "Holy Father" and give the man of sin gifts and when faithful members protest they are sued, harassed and harangued, belittled, degraded, insulted and abused because we protest the apostasy.

I guess in the eyes of Teresa the above atrocities her leaders are doing are ok with her?

EGW says:
What a lesson is this to men holding positions of responsibility today in the church of God! What a solemn warning to deal faithfully with wrongs that bring dishonor to the cause of truth! Let none who claim to be the depositaries of God's law flatter themselves that the regard they may outwardly show toward the commandments will preserve them from the exercise of divine justice. Let none refuse to be reproved for evil, nor charge the servants of God with being too zealous in endeavoring to cleanse the camp from evil-doing. A sin-hating God calls upon those who claim to keep His law to depart from all iniquity. A neglect to repent and to render willing obedience will bring upon men and women today as serious consequences as came upon ancient Israel. There is a limit beyond which the judgments of Jehovah can no longer be delayed. The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with impunity.  {PK 416.2}

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Confidential

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com ; SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:57 PM

Subject: [DefendEGW] The Strongest Delusion

 

We are now Evangelicals in most everything we are doing—education,
medical, publishing, and evangelism—because of the great compromise
with the churches of fallen Protestantism, a major component
of Babylon. We have lost our vision and clear understanding of what
we, the remnant church of God for this final generation, are to be.

We have a trained ministry, many with PhD’s from the institutions
of Babylon. And many of our other leaders and pastors hold Masters
of Divinity degrees from our own universities, which are now almost
completely secular, according to the General Conference web site.
This is a major reason why many of our pastors and leaders no longer
believe, preach, and teach the great doctrines of the investigative judgment,
the cleansing of the sanctuary, the final atonement of our High
Priest Jesus Christ, the continuing mediation of Christ for the faithful,
loyal, and obedient Seventh-day Adventists, and the faithful in other
churches who are seeking God’s truth, but are left in dangerous darkness
because of the apostasy in God’s remnant church. See Testimonies,
vol. 6, 70–71, 371.

The following is a true picture of the remnant church in the final
phase of the great controversy:

The heavenly Teacher inquired: “What stronger delusion
can beguile the mind than the pretense that you are building
on the right foundation and that God accepts your works,
when in reality you are working out many things according to
worldly policy and are sinning against Jehovah? Oh, it is a
great deception, a fascinating delusion, that takes possession
of minds when men who have once known the truth, mistake
the form of godliness for the spirit and power thereof; when
they suppose that they are rich and increased with goods
and in need of nothing, while in reality they are in need of
everything.”

God has not changed toward His faithful servants who
are keeping their garments spotless. But many are crying,
“Peace and safety,” while sudden destruction is coming upon
them. Unless there is thorough repentance, unless men
humble their hearts by confession and receive the truth as it
is in Jesus, they will never enter heaven. When purification
shall take place in our ranks, we shall no longer rest at ease,
boasting of being rich and increased with goods, in need of
nothing.

Who can truthfully say: “Our gold is tried in the fire; our
garments are unspotted by the world”? I saw our Instructor
pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness. Stripping
them off, He laid bare the defilement beneath. Then He
said to me: “Can you not see how they have pretentiously
covered up their defilement and rottenness of character?
‘How is the faithful city become an harlot!’ My Father’s house
is made a house of merchandise, a place whence the divine
presence and glory have departed! For this cause there is
weakness, and strength is lacking.”

Unless the church, which is now being leavened with
her own backsliding, shall repent and be converted, she
will eat of the fruit of her own doing, until she shall abhor
herself. When she resists the evil and chooses the good,
when she seeks God with all humility and reaches her high
calling in Christ, standing on the platform of eternal truth
and by faith laying hold upon the attainments prepared for
her, she will be healed. She will appear in her God-given
simplicity and purity, separate from earthly entanglements,
showing that the truth has made her free indeed. Then her
members will indeed be the chosen of God, His representatives.
Testimonies, vol. 8, 249–251.

The Final Generation and THE FOURTH ANGEL by Ron Spear

http://www.eternalgospelherald.com/Final%20Generation.pdf

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Confidential

To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [SDAIssues] the sunday law

 

New Movement Adventists are doing just as you said they would Teresa, they attack those who hold on to the faith once delivered to the saints.  Your leaders take tithe money and hire Catholic Lawyers and then bring Law Suits against those who are giving the undiluted 3 Angels Messages to the world. They bring Satanic Rock Music in to the Worship Service, they go to restaurants on the Sabbath, they regard the Sabbath lightly. Your leaders teach 2 Gospels. They go to Rick Warren and follow his Purpose Driven Deceptions, they use NLP (a form of hypnosis on their members), they stand with their backs to the temple and worship the rising Sun at Easter Sunrise Services. Your leaders call the Pope "Holy Father" and give the man of sin gifts and when faithful members protest they are sued, harassed and harangued, belittled, degraded, insulted and abused because we protest the apostasy.

I guess in the eyes of Teresa the above atrocities her leaders are doing are ok with her?

EGW says:
What a lesson is this to men holding positions of responsibility today in the church of God! What a solemn warning to deal faithfully with wrongs that bring dishonor to the cause of truth! Let none who claim to be the depositaries of God's law flatter themselves that the regard they may outwardly show toward the commandments will preserve them from the exercise of divine justice. Let none refuse to be reproved for evil, nor charge the servants of God with being too zealous in endeavoring to cleanse the camp from evil-doing. A sin-hating God calls upon those who claim to keep His law to depart from all iniquity. A neglect to repent and to render willing obedience will bring upon men and women today as serious consequences as came upon ancient Israel. There is a limit beyond which the judgments of Jehovah can no longer be delayed. The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with impunity.  {PK 416.2}

Confidential

 

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: teresa_q
 To: SDAIssues@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:14 PM
 Subject: [SDAIssues] studying the 10 commandments
 
 would any be interested in studying the 10 commandments?
 
 in exodus 20 the 10 commandments are listed then the next 3 chapters, as well as other parts of the bible, lists statues, laws, judgments, etc.
 
 we are told that the 10 commandments is a transcript of the character of God, and that God is love . far too many of us have had the law presented as a negative, in a legalistic way-i have, anyway.
 
 Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
 Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
 Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
 Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
 Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 
 
 Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. 
 
 these verses have always gone over my head. but hopefully God is calling me to view the 10 commandments as love.
 
 so, hoping others would be interested in studying in a reverential way to make the switch from law to love, i present my idea. ;
 
 Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
 
 Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
 
 Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 
 Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
 
 Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
 Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
 
 Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
 
 Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
 
 Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
 
 Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
 
 Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
 
 Exo 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.