Alias John Scotram’s Time
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Part II
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Regarding: Alias John Scotram’s Time Clock At: https://omega77.tripod.com/johnscotramtimeclock1.htm I have a couple of comments on Ron's
point numbers 3 and 8. 3. You showed a great deal of impatience
with any questioning of your clock. That is not a good sign. Your lack of
patience and your unChristlike spirit is sure evidence that it is not the
Holy Spirit that is leading out in your prediction of the time of Christ's
coming. God does not want folk jumping on the bandwagon just because they
are motivated by any date for His return. He wants them to be motivated by
faith and love for Him without time excitement. 8. A great danger in postulating the date
of Christ’s coming a number of years away is that some folk will be
careless of their readiness, thinking that they will jump on the bandwagon
at the last minute. ------------ Concerning Ron's point number 3 3. You showed a great deal of impatience
with any questioning of your clock. That is not a good sign. Your lack of
patience and your unChristlike spirit is sure evidence that it is not the
Holy Spirit that is leading out in your prediction of the time of Christ's
coming. ...... It is worthy of mention that some cases
"John" will not even respond to certain questions
regardless of how valid those questions may be! For example, on Monday March 8 2010, I
personally asked "John" 6 legitimate and sincere
questions. As of this very writing April 10, 2010, "John"
has not yet responded to even one of those questions. However, during that
same time period, he has publicly responded to rediculous rubbish from
folk who stroke his ego; thus verifying that he has had "opportunity"
to respond to my VALID questions, any one of which exposes him as a false
prophet, and his "Clock hypothesis" as TOTALLY ERRENT!
--- perhaps that's the very reason he hasn't responded to those questions! Consider: Monday, March 8, 2010 10:42 PM John, Your "clock" hypothesis
states flat-out that the investigative Judgment "ends" in
2012. In the correspondence you had with Ron,
(per the documentation he shared with us today), you state that the
investigative Judgment "ends" on Dec. 21, 2012, (to be
more precise). Question: Would you be so kind as to reconcile
your claim with EGWs statements (highlighted in RED) below. No One Knows When Probation Will Close God has not revealed to us the time when this
message will close or when probation will have an end. Those things that are revealed we shall accept for ourselves
and for our children, but let us not seek to know that which has been
kept secret in the councils of the Almighty. . . . {LDE 227.1} Letters have come to me asking me if I have
any special light as to the time when probation will close, and I answer
that I have only this message to bear, that it is now time to work while
the day lasts, for the night cometh in which no man can work. --1SM 191 (1894). {LDE 227.2} Monday, March 8, 2010 10:54 PM John, In your "clock" presentation,
on Page (slide) number 86 you state: p.86 How many earthly years correspond to one
heavenly hour? Answer: It is very easy now to find the
answer. We know now that start and end of the judgment day are pointing to
the same cipher in God’s Clock. The Judgment will take all in all: 168 years These 168 earthly years are deployed at 24
heavenly hours, the great day of Judgment. Therefore one heavenly hour corresponds to:
168 / 24 = 7 earthly years. Each elder who represents one heavenly hour corresponds therefore to a lapse of 7 earthly
years. ---------------------- However, on the Page (slide) number 114
you state: p.114 Now it should be clear that the seventh seal
cannot be part of the Clock because it opens at the end of the time of
plagues that will begin at the end of investigative Judgment day. Rev 8:1 And when he
had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven
about the space of half an hour. It’s about the journey of Jesus with the new
Jerusalem coming from Orion that will take 7 days or
"half an hour" in prophetic time. Ellen White
talks about the same time span in relation to the return of the New
Jerusalem with all the redeemed to heaven: Question: If one prophetic (or as you put it:
"heavenly") hour = 7 earthly years, then would not
one-half hour = 3.5 years? Or since 7 days is in fact "half
an hour" in prophetic time, then shouldn't 14 or 15 days = 1 hour of
prophetic (heavenly) time? Please explain this conundrum. Thank you James Monday, March 8, 2010 11:02 PM John, In your "clock" presentation,
you mention at least twice: the 144,000 are to be "gathered"
(p.116 and 147). Will you please explain PRECISELY what
you mean by the word "gather". Thank you James Monday, March 8, 2010 11:27 PM John, In your "clock" presentation,
On p.146 you state: IF THESE STUDIES WOULD RESULT ERRONEOUS ... However, on p.128 you state: This is the same at the repetition of the
churches. The movement that leads to the gathering of the 144,000 who will
receive the Holy Spirit and understand this time
message is the Movement of the Holy Spirit Himself. In the end of times we are having three messages, four angels
and one agent of the Godhead. This church, the church of the 144,000, will
be the last Philadelphia that results of the faithful of the SDA
Reformation Movement, Question: If "this time
message (you present) is the Movement of the
Holy Spirit Himself.", then HOW is it possible that
these same studies COULD be Erroneous - since the Holy Spirit does
NOT contradict Himself? Thank you James ******************** ******************** Concerning Ron's point number 8 8. A great danger in postulating the date
of Christ’s coming a number of years away is that some folk will be
careless of their readiness, thinking that they will jump on the bandwagon
at the last minute. The great danger in ... thinking
that they will jump on the bandwagon at the last minute. -- There is a
word for such "thinking", it is called Presumption; and is
summed-up very well by Jesus Himself in just one sentence. See: Matt. 4:7 In Ellen White's published writings,
the precise phrase "Sin of Presumption" appears 24 times. I would encourage the reader to
read every one of those articles. Here are 2: Then Satan took Christ to the pinnacle of the
temple, and told Him to cast Himself down. . . . Thus he tried to lead Him
to commit the sin of presumption. He reminded Him of the ministration of
angels. But no temptation could make the Saviour accept the challenge of
the tempter. . . . {CTr 191.4} The Sin of Presumption The sin of presumption lies close beside the
virtue of perfect faith and confidence in God. Satan flattered himself that
he could take advantage of the humanity of Christ to urge Him over the line
of trust to presumption. Upon this point many souls are wrecked. Satan
tried to deceive Christ through flattery. He admitted that He was right in
the wilderness in His faith and confidence that God was His Father under
the most trying circumstances. He then urged Christ to give him one more
proof of His entire dependence upon God, one more evidence of His faith
that He was the Son of God, by casting Himself from the Temple. He told
Christ that if He was indeed the Son of God He had nothing to fear, for
angels were at hand to uphold Him. Satan gave evidence that he understood
the Scriptures by the use he made of them. {Con
48.2} The Redeemer of the world wavered not from
His integrity, -49- and showed
that He had perfect faith in His Father's promised care. He would not put
the faithfulness and love of His Father to a needless trial, although He
was in the hands of an enemy and placed in a position of extreme difficulty
and peril. He would not at Satan's suggestion tempt God by presumptuously
experimenting on His providence. Satan had brought in Scripture which
seemed appropriate for the occasion, hoping to accomplish his designs by
making the application to our Saviour at this special time. {Con 48.3} Christ knew that God could indeed bear Him up
if He had required Him to throw Himself from the Temple. But to do this
unbidden, and to experiment upon His Father's protecting care and love
because dared by Satan to do so would not show His strength of faith. Satan
was well aware that if Christ could be prevailed upon, unbidden by His
Father, to fling Himself from the Temple to prove His claim to His heavenly
Father's protecting care, He would in the very act show the weakness of His
human nature. {Con 49.1} Christ came off victor in the second
temptation. He manifested perfect confidence and trust in His Father during
His severe conflict with the powerful foe. Our Redeemer, in the victory
here gained, has left man a perfect pattern, showing him that his only
safety is in firm trust and unwavering confidence in God in all trials and
perils. He refused to presume upon the mercy of His Father by placing
Himself in peril that would make it necessary for His heavenly Father to
display His power to save Him from danger. This would be forcing providence
on His own account, and He would not then leave for His people a perfect
example of faith and firm trust in God. {Con 49.2} Satan's object in tempting Christ was to lead
Him to -50- daring presumption, and to show human
weakness that would not make Him a perfect pattern for His people. He
thought that should Christ fail to bear the test of his temptations there
could be no redemption for the race, and his power over them would be
complete. {Con 49.3} |
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