A Rebuttal and Open Letter to SDA Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick

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Foreword by Ron Beaulieu:  


Dear Reader,


In this document I have included all of SDA Pastor, Larry Kirkpatrick’s document which he has on his Website detailing the reasons why he is glad to remain a member of the professing Seventh-day Adventist church.  I will review and intersperse my remarks under his paragraphs assessing the church and his reasons for remaining a member and pastor of that fallen, New Movement, New Organization, church.  It will be interesting to note that pastor Kirkpatrick DOES NOT mention one corporate sin of the church.  That fulfills Ellen White’s statement that NEVER AGAIN, would the dumb-dog watchmen cry aloud to show God’s people their sins:


"Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.            


The following link proves how SDA New Movement leaders have torn down that which God for decades built up.  Pastor Kirkpatrick does not address one of the important issues stated in this document.   I do not tear down one doctrine of pioneer Seventh-day Adventism.  https://omega77.tripod.com/standards1.htm


The SDA church has torn down a pillar doctrine of the Godhead; the very Spirit of Prophecy definition of the Holy Spirit, which Ellen White defined as a pillar doctrine, and of course, it goes without saying that a correct teaching of the Godhead is PILLAR if anything is PILLAR to any belief system. 

Godhead as a pillar doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor." {E.G. White, MR760 9.5} 

Speaking of the “noble ship,” it was set adrift without an anchor when the SDA church adopted the Trinity Doctrine in the early 1930’s, that does total despite to Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit.  Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick, and EVERY SDA MINISTER, has adopted and defends that errant central doctrine of Rome, the Trinity Doctrine.  If they did not, the church would defrock them! 

The church adopted the Trinity Doctrine, to prove that it was “Evangelical,” and one with the fallen churches.  And so it is.  This violation of God, plus ecumenical fraternity, in direct violation of the second angel’s message of Revelation 14, and God’s express commands in Isaiah 8:9-13, removed God’s presence from the church, and Israel did that by conspiracy with God’s enemies (ALONE), which removes the Holy Flesh (God), Jeremiah 11:9-15, to the point God says no longer pray for such a people, Jeremiah 11:14.  That is God’s line in the sand.  What were the faithful Jews doing at that time?  In the days of Shinar, Jeremiah’s time of prophesying? 

 "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.  

“The church has turned back from following Christ her Leader and is steadily retreating toward Egypt. Yet few are alarmed or astonished at their want of spiritual power. Doubt and even disbelief of the testimonies of the Spirit of God, is leavening our churches everywhere. Satan would have it thus.” Testimonies, Vol. 5, 217; see also ibid., 211; ibid., vol. 1, 608–609; ibid., vol. 9, 164; Gospel Workers, 14–15. 

Apparently, pastor Larry Kirkpatrick is one of those who is not alarmed or astonished that the church has turned back from following Christ as her Leader and is still steadily retreating toward Egypt.  Egypt is the city used to spiritually symbolize unbelief.  The unbelief is in the counsel of the Testimonies of the Spirit of God, and that unbelief has been leavening the church in sin for decades since the statement was written by Ellen White.  There has been no turning around, no repentance, no reformation by the church leaders.  Ellen White said in 1882, 5T 211, that the dumb-dog watchmen would NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob its sins, and that this is why Ezekiel 9 would have another literal fulfillment BEGINNING “at His Sanctuary,” the professing Seventh-day Adventist church.  End of Foreword by Ron


Now, Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick’s Website Article:


Some might wonder if, in the light of recent events occurring within the "formally" organized SDA church,1 some of us have wearied of our membership in it. Perhaps some have. But for me, the answer is not difficult: No.


Ron responds:  There is a reason why the answer is not difficult for Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick. God gives us the answer.  It is found in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, quoted in the foreword above:


  1. Betrayal of Sacred Trust.
  2. Unbelief
  3. The position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days.
  4. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins
  5. The dumb dogs will never bark again.
  6. The dumb-dog term is Ellen White’s reapplication of Isaiah 56:10-12.  Here is that passage:  10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. 11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. 12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.
  7. Ellen White said that Ezekiel 9 will be literally fulfilled again.  It was fulfilled in A.D. 70. She said that was a prefigure, The Great Controversy, p. 25, which “begins at His Sanctuary,” 5T, 211, and ends with the destruction of the world, for that occurrence in A.D. 70, symbolized the destruction of the world also.  It was twofold.  Some SDA’s try to make it ONEFOLD.  But it was twofold in that Josephus, a Jewish eyewitness historian, said, just as God prophesied, that the destruction began at the Temple Sanctuary, and then proceeded to the city of Jerusalem.  Judgment begins at the House of God.  Notice:
  8. “The prophecy which He uttered was TWOfold in its meaning; while foreshadowing the destruction of Jerusalem, if PREFIGURED also the terrors of the last great day.”  E.G. White, The Great Controversy, p. 25. 

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260. 

  1. Ezekiel agreed with Isaiah about the dumb-dogs.  He said that not one of them found at the Sanctuary after Israel’s conspiracy with God’s enemies, (Jer. 11:9-15).  The synonym for conspiracy is confederacy, and after apostate Israel joined (confederated) God’s enemies, He told Jeremiah not to pray for them, that the Holy Flesh (God) had departed.  And that when they did evil, they rejoiced (celebrated), just as SDA have done and are doing through their Celebration movement. Yes, Ezekiel agreed with Isaiah and Jeremiah.  Notice:
  2. “And I sought for A MAN among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it; BUT I FOUND NONE.”  Ezekiel 22:30.
  3. Isaiah said that they ALL are dumb dog’s that cannot understand, loving ease and slumber, and will not bark, and Ezekiel said that there was not found ONE faithful among them.  And who is he expressly speaking of?  Notice:
  4. 23 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation. 25 There is a conspiracy [confederacy] of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. 30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.
  5. The use of the word prophets in the above verses is the broad definition according to Merriam Webster’s Dictionary, Second College Edition, copyright 1986, p. 1139.“a person who speaks for God.”  That is the context of the use of the word prophet in Ezekiel 22.
  6. Ellen White said that ALL the ancient prophets spoke more for us than for the Jews:  "The Bible Prophets Wrote for Our Time.--Never are we absent from the mind of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of the ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that their prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which things the angels desire to look into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 3, p. 338.
  7. When a conspiracy (confederacy) can be proven, as we have proven that the SDA church has violated God’s commands in the second angel’s message and Isaiah 8:9-13, by ecumenical linkage with Babylon’s associations, councils, girding and confederacies, then ALL the writings of the ancient prophets apply more to SDA’s than Jerusalem of Old. Why?  Because we had their example and made the same violations anyway!
  8. Do you believe God and Ellen White or pastor Larry Kirkpatrick?  


Now Kirkpatrick’s statement continues:


I remain an active member of the incorporated body headquartered in Maryland and composing of some 12 million members worldwide. I preach and teach and baptize into this church. I return my tithe through this church. I pray for the earthly leadership of this church. Yes. In spite of all the warts.


Ron responds:  Dear fellow believer, gross apostasy is more than just warts!  Warts are mere faults and defects.  Gross apostasy that crosses God’s line in the sand eg. Jeremiah 11:9-15, to the point of forming a confederacy with God’s enemies, in violation of the second angel’s messages and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, and Isaiah 8:9-13, is more than mere “warts.”  But as God says in Isaiah 58:10-12, ALL the watchmen, and that includes pastor Larry Kirkpatrick, and all pastors right to the top, Jan Paulsen, AFTER Omega of Apostasy confederacy with Babylon occurs and after the church changes pillar doctrines, such as Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit, which the church defied by adopting Rome’s Central Doctrine, the Trinity Doctrine. 

I was on pastor Kirkpatrick’s Great Controversy group forum.  He removed me for persistently giving Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit.  The following statement is apropos: 


"In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people should have and what they should not have. These take away the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not the seal of the living God. All who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly afraid lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards." E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55. 


Pastor Kirkpatrick has decided what the people should and should not have.  They take away the key of knowledge, the Spirit of Prophecy, and thereby the Holy Spirit, which teaches us all things, if He is not removed from the church by the leaders.  Did Ellen White prophecy this would occur? Yes, because of the following two statements.  The first statement guarantees the absolute fulfillment of the other two: 


"One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57). 


The Trinity Doctrine, the Central Doctrine of Roman Catholicism, is a doctrine of devils when all it’s implications are rightly understood.  The New Movement SDA church adopted that doctrine of devils in the early 1930’s.  That effectively removed the Holy Spirit from the church, “removed God,” 1SM 204-5.  That is why the following statements are not now CONDITIONAL any more.  They now apply full fledge, with a particle of doubt: 


"He will take his Holy Spirit from the church and Give it to OTHERS who will appreciate it." E. G. White, Review and Herald, July 16, 1895,  Vol. 3, 272.  

"The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.

God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed anything (Acts 17:25)." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 131.   

Fear and Shun "'They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God' people in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 660. 

Back to pastor Kirkpatrick’s article:


Let each of us be careful and not forget that we live in the midst of a throw-away society. We have to rise above the standard operating procedure of the world around us, who, if something seems to stop being of use to them, chuck it out the window without a second thought. Church membership is not to be taken lightly. Not at all. Consider this statement:


It will not do for any of us to get careless and indifferent in regard to our church-membership. While on this journey that I am now taking, I have felt a most solemn responsibility to try to show our people that God holds them accountable to live lives that will keep the atmosphere of the church pure and fragrant. God is dishonored, and his Spirit is grieved, when this atmosphere is tainted by careless living and by evil-speaking.  Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, January 19, 1905


Ron responds: Notice the qualifying words to Ellen White’s statement Kirkpatrick quotes above. 

  1. God holds them accountable to live lives that will keep the atmosphere of the church pure and fragrant.
  2. God is dishonored, and his Spirit is grieved, when this atmosphere is tainted by careless living and by evil-speaking

   I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out. [THIS IS THE ONLY KNOWN STATEMENT FROM THE PEN OF ELLEN WHITE INDICATING THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ORGANIZATION. THE DOUBT WHICH SHE EXPRESSED HERE WAS NEVER REPEATED DURING THE REMAINING TWENTY-SIX YEARS OF HER LIFE.] While we will endeavor to keep the "unity of the Spirit" in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry.--EGW '88 356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}

  1. Fellow believers, the explanation added (in red print and caps, above) is a divined lie.  The following document give many statements by Ellen White concerning her lose of confidence in the SDA church militant, versus the true SDA church triumphant at the end-time. https://omega77.tripod.com/leavestate.htm


And what about the careless living as it relates to evil-doing by way of committing Omega Apostasy?  Might we correctly reason that God is dishonored and His Spirit is grieved, when the atmosphere of the church is tainted by such CARE LESS actions that “removed God,” (1 SM 204-5)?


Kirkpatrick continues:


The intent of that statement was to remind its hearers of the sacredness of their church membership. We're not saved through being a member of the formally organized church, but it is still God's desire that we link our life and influence to the structure that He has erected on the earth. The church needs its salt. It is to be composed of "the called out" from the world. It's different than joining the Rotary Club. People can and do just up and leave from some types of organizations. Why not the SDA church?


Ron responds:  The church is “supposed” to be “the called out” from the world.  But when it forms a conspiracy (confederacy) to join Babylon’s associations, councils, girdings and confederacies, Isaiah 8:9-13, it is no different from the world and the churches it has linked itself with by association and this applies even to the local Ministerial Associations, which, according to the Canadian Council of Churches, are a local arm (subsidiary) of the World Council of Churches and various National Councils around the world, and every SDA minister is encouraged to join those local subsidiaries of Babylon, by Adventism’s highest leaders at Headquarters and at Andrews University.  They pay annual dues to be involved with those Ministerial Associations.  I asked SDA leaders if they could name ONE PERSON who has been converted to the SDA church via fraternity of SDA ministers with those Ministerial Associations, and they could not name ONE.  Joining Babylon’s associations, in order to convert prospects, IS NOT God’s plan.  Rather, all who do are broken in pieces in the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, and that includes all members who support such ministers with church membership and tithe monies.


Kirkpatrick continues:


God's purpose for the church is that it be "the pillar and ground of the truth." And so the most loyal members will be those insisting that the pillar and ground of the truth be the pillar and ground of the truth. When you've arrived at the place where God's drawn His line in the sand, where He's chosen to group His own people, "a chosen people, His church, to be His own, His own fortress, which He holds in a sin-stricken, revolted world;" a body in which He intends that "no laws be acknowledged by it, but His own,"3 then what do you do? Abandon it at the sound of a gunshot? This is a war, guys.


Ron responds:  This is a ludicrously hypocritical statement by Kirkpatrick, considering that the New Movement SDA church, led by Satan himself, has destroyed the most important pillar doctrine--the Godhead.  Kirkpatrick would not even respond to my views as presented on his Internet Great Controversy forum.  He just told me that if I persisted in giving Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit, he would remove me and I did and he did! He is a coward in the Word.  He is a betrayer, just as Ellen White defined such dumb-dogs who will not bark in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.  They are ALL dumb-dogs that will not bark AND REMOVE THOSE who stand for the truth.  This should raise the righteous indignation of every true Seventh-day Adventist!  Ellen White sanctioned this course in the following statement:


"While others try to throw a cloak over the existing evil, and excuse the great wickedness everywhere prevalent, those who have a zeal for God's honor and a love for souls will not hold their peace to obtain favor of any. Their righteous souls are vexed day by day with the unholy works and conversation of the unrighteous. They are powerless to stop the rushing torrent of iniquity, and hence they are filled with grief and alarm. They mourn before God to see religion despised in the very homes of those who have had great light. They lament and afflict their souls because pride, avarice, selfishness, and deception of almost every kind are in the church. The Spirit of God, which prompts to reproof, is trampled underfoot, while the servants of Satan triumph. God is dishonored, the truth made of none effect" (Testimonies, Vol. 5, pp. 210, 211). 

That is what Kirkpatrick did to me.  He trampled underfoot the Spirit of God when I was trying to get him to conform to the Holy Spirit’s definition of the Holy Spirit! He will pay a dear price for such a coarse that set’s the people of God adrift without a compass. 

The next time any professing Seventh-day Adventists advises you not to “jump ship,” ask them WHICH ONE of the following ships they are referring to:

 Which Ship 

Defective Ship: We can know that if a ship has false teaching it will not survive the rigors of the ocean of strife and turmoil: "You have had too great confidence in the ability of these men. A ship may be sound in nearly every respect but if there is one defect,--a bit of timber worm-eaten,--the lives of all on board are imperiled." E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 4, 322. 

Ship Drifting at Sea Without Chart or Compass: "The facts concerning the real condition of the professed people of God, speak more loudly than their profession, and make it evident that some power has cut the cable that anchored them to the Eternal Rock, and that they are drifting away to sea, without chart or compass." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 128, (Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 231). (Also see Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 348). 

"Every ship sailing the sea of life needs to have the divine Pilot on board but when storms arise, when tempests threaten, many persons push their Pilot overboard, and commit their bark into the hand of finite man, or try to steer it themselves. Then disaster and wreckage generally follow, and the Pilot is blamed for running them into such dangerous waters." E.G. White, Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 348. 

Is the Pilot on board the SDA New Movement, New Organization Ship described in Selected Messages, vol. 1, 204-5? Page 205 says He [God] has been removed!

Noble Ship #1: "I lately read of a NOBLE SHIP that was plowing its way across the sea, when at midnight, with a terrific crash, it struck upon a rock the passengers were awakened only to see with horror their hopeless condition, and with the ship they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM [VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a moment's warning launched into eternity." E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 2, 128. 

Noble Ship #2: "There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If maters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 2, 390. 

Immediately preceding the above statement is the admonition:

"We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization for this would mean apostasy from the truth.--Manuscript 1290, 1905. Selected Messages, Bk. 2, 390.

 In light of all the statements involving a ship, we must interpret them all so that none contradict. The best way to achieve this goal is to look for qualifying words. In the above statement the qualifying words are NOBLE SHIP and THE PEOPLE OF GOD. Who are the people of God? Those who keep His commandments and heed the Laodicean message.

Change Leaders and Know it Not:  

Change Leaders: "There is manifested on the part of men in responsible positions an unwillingness to confess where they have been in the wrong and their neglect is working disaster, not only to themselves, but to the churches....You will be left to make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and will can sin righteousness and righteousness sin. The multitude of deceptions that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will change leaders, and not know that you have done so." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 448. 

Change Leaders: "Men in positions of responsibility are in danger of changing leaders. This I know, for it has been plainly revealed to me." E.G. White, Series B, #2, p. 48. 

Change Leaders: "Men who might have stood in clear light, doing valiant service as ministers of the gospel and medical missionaries, have been accepting false theories and sophistries which originated with the father of lies, and yet they do not realize that they have changed." E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, #7, p. 13-16, November 20, 1905. 

Change Leaders: "Satan will set up his hellish banner right in your homes, and you will be so blinded to the real nature of his deceptions that you reverence it as the banner of Christ." E.G. White, The 1888 Materials, p. 505. 

Change Leaders: "They will not recognize him [Satan] as their enemy, that old serpent, but they will consider him a FRIEND, one who is doing a good work." Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 294. 

Change Leaders: Satan has laid his plans to undermine our faith in the history of the cause and work of God. I am deeply in earnest as I write this. Satan is working with men in prominent positions to sweep away the foundation of our faith. Shall we allow this to be done, brethren?" E.G. White, Review and Herald, Nov. 19, 1903. 

Note: The foundation of our faith involves pillar doctrines, and Newell Hammond says this is not now, was not and never will be a problem. Again, Ellen White refutes such foolhardy error. 

Change Leaders if Mistakes are not Admitted and Changed: "If when the Lord reveals your errors you do not repent or make confession, his providence will bring you over the ground again and again. You will be left to make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and will call sin righteousness, and righteousness sin. The multitude of deceptions that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will CHANGE LEADERS, AND NOT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE SO." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 449. 

Change Leaders: "Satan has COME IN with his specious temptations, and has led the professed followers of Christ away from the [PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies to Ministers, p. 130. 

Change Leaders: "Refusing to follow in the path of obedience, they transferred their allegiance to Satan. The enemy rejoiced in his success in effacing the divine image from the minds of the people that God had chosen as His representatives. Through [ECUMENICAL] intermarriage with idolaters and CONSTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THEM [Isa. 8:9-20], Satan brought about that for which he had long been working,--a national apostasy." Fundamentals to Christian Education, p. 449. 

Change Leaders: "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, Vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. 

A confederacy: The World will form a confederacy of (beast)papists, protestants (false prophet) and New Agers (dragon). Their purpose will be declared as being the "saving of the world" from the problems that are obviously causing much distress. They will gird themselves with swords of militant power to enforce their plan. They will have great councils and wonderful sounding plans-but they will not succeed, instead they will be heading for total disaster.  

Godhead as a pillar doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor." {MR760 9.5} 

After the truth has been proclaimed as a witness to all nations, every conceivable power of evil will be set in operation, and minds will be confused by many voices crying. "Lo, here is Christ; lo, He is there. This is the truth, I have the message from God, He has sent me with great light." Then there will be a removing of the landmarks, and an attempt to tear down the pillars of our faith. A more decided effort will be made to exalt the false sabbath, and to cast contempt upon God Himself by supplanting the day He has blessed and sanctified. This false sabbath is to be enforced by an oppressive law. {Mar 192.2} 

     In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith. {Mar 192.3} 

As we near the end of time, falsehood will be so mingled with truth, that only those who have the guidance of the Holy Spirit will be able to distinguish truth from error. We need to make every effort to keep the way of the Lord. We must in no case turn from His guidance to put our trust in man. The Lord's angels are appointed to keep strict watch over those who put their faith in the Lord, and these angels are to be our special help in every time of need. Every day we are to come to the Lord with full assurance of faith, and to look to Him for wisdom. . . . Those who are guided by the Word of the Lord will discern with certainty between falsehood and truth, between sin and righteousness. {Mar 192.5} 

"I entreat every one to be clear and firm regarding the certain truths that we have heard and received and advocated. The statements of God's Word are plain. Plant your feet firmly on the platform of eternal truth. Reject every phase of error, even though it be covered with a semblance of reality, which denies the personality of God and of Christ." {RH, August 31, 1905 par. 11} 

Kirkpatrick continues:


Being a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church gives me an opportunity to serve Him within His stronghold. True. Other venues exist where we can serve our Lord, including self-supporting ministries. But the Lord's first intention is that we remain within the structure He has established and make sure it continues to exist as the structure He has established. He has a use for it still. If we leave it, then it is surely doomed. Some, as I have been able to do, can expend our energies directly from within her. Others, while remaining members, may on occasion find that para-church entities offer special alternatives for service. Let the workers, in all their varied spheres do the work of the Lord.


Ron responds:  How is the SDA church God’s stronghold after it has removed God (1SM 204-5), by ecumenical fraternity and adopting Rome’s concept of the Godhead?  That removes the Holy Flesh (God), Jeremiah 11:9-15.  That is manifest disobedience to the first and second angel’s messages.  The Trinity Doctrine violates the first angel’s message and ecumenical fraternity with Babylon, violates the second angel’s message.  For this reason, the call to come out of the world and fallen churches that cannot be distinguished from the world, now applies to professing, New Movement, New Organization, Seventh-day Adventism.  It is for these serious, Omega of Apostasy violations of God’s Word and the Spirit of Prophecy Holy Spirit gift, that the church will be broken in pieces in another literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.  These do not constitute all of the abominations by any means, but they are the most serious, and both constitute God’s line in the sand.  To link in ANY WAY with the fallen churches is to link with the world, because: 

"I saw that since the second angel proclaimed the fall of the churches, they have been growing more and more corrupt. They bear the name of being Christ's followers yet it is IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish them from ...Satan has taken FULL POSSESSION of the churches as a body." E.G. White, Early Writings, 273. 

Kirkpatrick continues: 

Ellen White, at the time of the Kellogg crisis, had a vision of an approaching ideological challenge of grave proportion. It was represented to her as an iceberg dead-ahead of the ship she was sailing on. "Ellen, quickly, jump overboard!" shouted the angel. Well no. The actual words of the angel in regard to the crisis were: "Meet it!"4 Shall not we, in our day of crisis, endeavor to "meet it" head on, even if it causes the ship to tremble from stem to stern? 

Ron responds:  This is another ludicrously hypocritical statement by Larry, because he staunchly forbids any discussion of the critical issues of the church on his Great Controversy forum!  He removed me for trying to “Meet” the apostasy involving the pillar doctrine of the very Godhead!  He forbade me to speak on it!  Why?  I was only quoting Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit.  You tell me what is wrong with that friend of mine, and Larry Kirkpatrick, and I will repent!


What are we to “meet” Larry?  Why didn’t you spell out the abominations that we are to meet as Ellen White did?  Were you consciously, or unconsciously fulfilling Ellen White’s statement of 5T 211, that all you dumb-dogs will NEVER AGAIN show the house of Jacob its sins?!  How will your dumb-sheep patrons know what to “MEET” IF YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN TELL THEM of their sins and those of you and your leaders in violating strictly forbidden commands of God involving the very mission and commission of the church, the first and second angel’s messages and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25?!  


Are you one of the priest’s that teaches for hire only?  Are you a peace and safety coward?  You didn’t even tell your patron sheep what the “warts” are!  Let along the gross Omega Apostasies they are to “MEET” as Ellen White met the Alpha of Apostasy!  And, Oh, Larry, your forgot to tell the sheep that “nothing will be allowed to stand in the way of the New Movement that has removed God,” 1SM 204-5.  You are instructing the sheep to remain and like yourself, defy the Spirit of Prophecy, by “meeting” something!  What?  And how do you propose to turn the ship around when Ellen White said that nothing will be allowed to stand in its way?!


Kirkpatrick continues:


Have you ever stopped to consider how much energy there is today among conservative Seventh-day Adventists in North America? Mind you, its largely unfocused. Yet consider what might occur were we to get our act together and through insight from the Holy Spirit, devise meaningful solutions to the problems confronting the church? Instead, all to often we stand in the shadows and complain. Meanwhile, the liberals appear on our administrators' doorstep with pleasant looking packages, conceived to explode in their hands after they've left the scene. The enemies of truth are wise. But can't we do better than they?


Ron responds:  What do you and what does your Website do to focus on the really serious issues of the Omega of Apostasy, which Ellen White said would involve the personality and presence of God.  The Trinity Doctrine is directly involved with the personality and presence of God!  For it involves the correct definition of the Holy Spirit!  You stifled my attempt to “MEET” that aspect of the Omega of Apostasy, by removing me from your forum.  Why?  You never gave the any reasons Larry!  Not one!  You just rudely removed me.  Why will you defend the Central Doctrine of Rome as a pillar doctrine of your apostate church?  Is it to remain a TIMESERVER priest for hire?  Do you have any notion of the penalty for such behavior on the part of a watchman? Do you know that God has a day of vengeance reserved for all who imbibe such conduct and thus serve as examples of betrayal of sacred trust to others?


Kirkpatrick continues:


If we can find ways to be faithful to truth and yet more supportive of our beleaguered leaders, there could be a change.


Don't forget. From your vantage point you can't see it all. There are many faithful, Bible and Spirit of prophecy believing Seventh-day Adventists scattered across the planet, intent on serving Jesus valiantly. Their faith reaches up to the skies. They will not be denied.


Ron responds:  By your words:  “…there could be a change,” are you saying that Ellen White was a false prophet when she said that “nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement?  What do you propose to stand in its way Larry, when you will NEVER AGAINS show the House of Jacob it’s most heinous sins and abominations.  Can you and your patrons whom you so carefully protect from the truly serious issues, be sealed without sighing and crying for ALL the abominations, Ezekiel 9:4, and showing God’s people their sins, Isaiah 58:1, which Ellen White says is the work of all of us?


You focus on the true gospel as given by Priebe and Paulson.  That is good.  But you either do not know or cleverly avert any discussion of the more serious abominations that the church is imbibing up to its eyeballs in apostasy.  Why Larry?  How are you exempt from Ezekiel 9:4?  How will you be sealed while failing to curb ALL the abominations by at lease sighing and crying for them?


Kirkpatrick continues:


I'm still glad to be a Seventh-day Adventist, although on occasion I have to pray for insight for how to repair misconceptions about us spawned by the work of the new-modelers. May God have mercy and recover His church from the wandering she has embarked upon with the continuing passage of time. By no means is the future of the church in its present structure assured. You will hear no echoes here of the tired refrain, "The church is going through." I want it to go through. But God knows all things.


Ron responds:  I commend you for your stance of not taking up the old bigoted refrain:  “The church is going through,” NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.  But why do you make general and cursory mention of repairing misconceptions spawned by “new-modelers,” without even saying what those misconceptions of the “new modelers” are?  You thereby give credence to the New Movement.  Why don’t you call it what Ellen White called it?  I realize that she referred to young ministers who try to remodel the cause, but she also spoke of a New Movement, and all her specifications relative to that New Movement have been fulfilled.


Do you view the new modeled false gospel as the only misconceptionally conceived apostasy of SDA church leaders?  Is that all you understand by the Omega of Apostasy, which Ellen White said would surely develop in “a little while” and wax stronger until Jesus comes?  Are you afraid to stand like Elijah and show the House of Jacob its sins and gross abominations that will only get it broken in pieces, Isaiah 8:9-13.  Do you think ecumenical violation of the first and second angel’s messages by ecumenical fraternity and inclusion of Rome’s
Trinity Doctrine to be “giving time to questions distinct from the third angel’s message? 

"The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this time." {5T 714.2}  

Note, The World Council of Churches, traces its roots back to the Evangelical Association of Phillip Schaff, and the Nation Reform Movement of Ellen White’s day.  See their Silver Anniversary book, published by the World Council of Churches.  You can write to them for a copy.  I did. 

Kirkpatrick continues: 

We need a more realistic view of the church than we've had. The constantly published statement about the church going through has two versions, you know. The one we're used to seeing, says "Enfeebled and defective, the church is nevertheless the object of Christ's supreme regard." But that's not the only way she said that. In fact, she used the same phrase in other places, but said it a bit differently: "Enfeebled and defective, needing constantly to be warned and counseled, the church is nevertheless the object of Christ's supreme regard.5 Yes, "needing constantly to be warned and counseled." Let us embrace anew the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, and hear those warnings and counsellings, and turn.


If we are faithful, brethren, we'll see the salvation of God.


Ron responds:  The 144,000, Revelation 14:1-4, will not be defiled by women, fallen churches. We are instructed to strive to be among the 144,000.  Your admonition, Larry, to remain with a harlot church, will at least prevent those who listen to you from being one of the 144,000.  They must then prepare for martyrdom, for only the 144,000 are translated without seeing death.  This is a serious “lease consequence” of your advice to professing Seventh-day Adventists.  The worst consequence is that all who are KNOWINGLY in violation of Isaiah 8:9-13, and the first and second angel’s messages, and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, will be broken in pieces in the next literal Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and little children.

What about the warnings against ecumenical involvement with Babylon—that we are not to link with them in ANY WAY that would identify us with them?  What about embracing her definition of the Holy Spirit, involved with the Godhead, rather than embracing Babylon’s CENTRAL DOCTRINE, the Trinity doctrine?  Both of these violations by the church are involved with violations of the first and second angel’s messages?  Why do you avoid these serious issues like the plague, and those who address them as being the plague.


Sincerely, in the Name of the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,


Ron Beaulieu


(Kirkpatrick’s Footnotes below) ______________________________________



1. This is an awkward attempt to refer to the "big" SDA church, the descendant structure from that originally organized in 1863. It's difficult to know the best way to word this.

2.       Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, January 19, 1905.

3.       ________. Testimonies for Ministers, p. 16.

4.       ________. Selected Message, vol. 1, p. 205.

5.       Ellen G. White, Testimonies, vol. 7, p. 16.