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  and Open Letter to SDA Pastor Larry KirkpatrickClick to go to our Home Page
 Foreword by Ron Beaulieu:   Dear Reader,  In this document I have included all of
  SDA Pastor, Larry Kirkpatrick’s document which he has on his Website
  detailing the reasons why he is glad to remain a member of the professing
  Seventh-day Adventist church.  I will
  review and intersperse my remarks under his paragraphs assessing the church
  and his reasons for remaining a member and pastor of that fallen, New
  Movement, New Organization, church.  It
  will be interesting to note that pastor Kirkpatrick DOES NOT mention one
  corporate sin of the church.  That
  fulfills Ellen White’s statement that NEVER AGAIN, would the dumb-dog
  watchmen cry aloud to show God’s people their sins: "Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the
  wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood
  as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the
  position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of
  God's power as in former days.
  Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do
  evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to
  show God's people their
  transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance
  of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish
  together." E. G. White, Testimonies,
  Vol. 5, 211.             The following link proves how SDA New
  Movement leaders have torn down that which God for decades built up.  Pastor Kirkpatrick does not address one of
  the important issues stated in this document.   I do not tear down one doctrine of pioneer
  Seventh-day Adventism.  https://omega77.tripod.com/standards1.htm The SDA church has torn down a pillar
  doctrine of the Godhead; the very Spirit of Prophecy definition of the Holy
  Spirit, which Ellen White defined as a pillar doctrine, and of course, it
  goes without saying that a correct teaching of the Godhead is PILLAR if
  anything is PILLAR to any belief system. Godhead as a pillar
  doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek
  to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how
  they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would
  remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor." {E.G. White, MR760 9.5} Speaking of the “noble
  ship,” it was set adrift without an anchor when the SDA church adopted the Trinity
  Doctrine in the early 1930’s, that does total despite to Ellen White’s
  definition of the Holy Spirit.  Pastor
  Larry Kirkpatrick, and EVERY SDA MINISTER, has adopted and defends that
  errant central doctrine of Rome, the Trinity Doctrine.  If they did not, the church would defrock
  them! The church adopted the
  Trinity Doctrine, to prove that it was “Evangelical,” and one with the fallen
  churches.  And so it is.  This violation of God, plus ecumenical
  fraternity, in direct violation of the second angel’s message of Revelation
  14, and God’s express commands in Isaiah 8:9-13, removed God’s presence from
  the church, and Israel did that by conspiracy with God’s enemies (ALONE),
  which removes the Holy Flesh (God), Jeremiah 11:9-15, to the point God says
  no longer pray for such a people, Jeremiah 11:14.  That is God’s line in the sand.  What were the faithful Jews doing at that
  time?  In the days of Shinar,
  Jeremiah’s time of prophesying?  "The recreant
  priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they
  still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with
  sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the
  corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not
  to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their
  peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves,
  concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in
  any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.
   “The church has turned back from
  following Christ her Leader and is steadily retreating toward Egypt. Yet few
  are alarmed or astonished at their want of spiritual power. Doubt and even
  disbelief of the testimonies of the Spirit of God, is leavening our churches
  everywhere. Satan would have it thus.” Testimonies,
  Vol. 5, 217; see also ibid., 211; ibid., vol. 1, 608–609; ibid., vol. 9, 164;
  Gospel Workers, 14–15. Apparently, pastor Larry Kirkpatrick is
  one of those who is not alarmed or astonished that the church has turned back
  from following Christ as her Leader and is still steadily retreating toward
  Egypt.  Egypt is the city used to
  spiritually symbolize unbelief.  The
  unbelief is in the counsel of the Testimonies of the Spirit of God, and that
  unbelief has been leavening the church in sin for decades since the statement
  was written by Ellen White.  There has
  been no turning around, no repentance, no reformation by the church
  leaders.  Ellen White said in 1882, 5T
  211, that the dumb-dog watchmen would NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob its
  sins, and that this is why Ezekiel 9 would have another literal fulfillment
  BEGINNING “at His Sanctuary,” the professing Seventh-day Adventist
  church.  End of Foreword by Ron 
 Now,
  Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick’s Website Article: Some might wonder if, in the light of
  recent events occurring within the "formally" organized SDA
  church,1 some of us have wearied of our membership in it. Perhaps some have.
  But for me, the answer is not difficult: No. Ron responds:  There is a reason why the answer is not
  difficult for Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick. God gives us the answer.  It is found in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211,
  quoted in the foreword above: 
 "Study the 9th
  chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep.
  They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while
  longer will the Lord bear with
  the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these
  truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling
  will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it
  is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter
  106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley,
  September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White
  Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260. 
 Now Kirkpatrick’s statement continues:  I remain an active member of the
  incorporated body headquartered in Maryland and composing of some 12 million
  members worldwide. I preach and teach and baptize into this church. I return
  my tithe through this church. I pray for the earthly leadership of this
  church. Yes. In spite of all the warts. Ron responds:  Dear fellow believer, gross apostasy is
  more than just warts!  Warts are mere
  faults and defects.  Gross apostasy
  that crosses God’s line in the sand eg. Jeremiah 11:9-15, to the point of
  forming a confederacy with God’s enemies, in violation of the second angel’s
  messages and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, and Isaiah 8:9-13, is more than
  mere “warts.”  But as God says in
  Isaiah 58:10-12, ALL the watchmen, and that includes pastor Larry
  Kirkpatrick, and all pastors right to the top, Jan Paulsen, AFTER Omega of
  Apostasy confederacy with Babylon occurs and after the church changes pillar
  doctrines, such as Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit, which the
  church defied by adopting Rome’s Central Doctrine, the Trinity Doctrine. I was on pastor Kirkpatrick’s Great
  Controversy group forum.  He removed me
  for persistently giving Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit.  The following statement is apropos: "In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will
  be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and
  him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance
  will be executed against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people
  should have and what they should not have. These take away
  the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in themselves, and
  those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not
  the seal of the living God.
  All who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly
  afraid lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards."
  E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55. Pastor Kirkpatrick has decided what the
  people should and should not have. 
  They take away the key of knowledge, the Spirit of Prophecy, and
  thereby the Holy Spirit, which teaches us all things, if He is not removed
  from the church by the leaders.  Did
  Ellen White prophecy this would occur? Yes, because of the following two
  statements.  The first statement guarantees the
  absolute fulfillment of the other two: "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized,
  the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger,
  and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a
  shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated
  faith, and go forward
  from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has
  been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from
  the earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper,
  more earnest, unwavering faith in
  the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to
  confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day
  all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing
  from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines
  of devils. There must
  not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57). The Trinity Doctrine, the Central
  Doctrine of Roman Catholicism, is a doctrine of devils when all it’s
  implications are rightly understood. 
  The New Movement SDA church adopted that doctrine of devils in the
  early 1930’s.  That effectively removed
  the Holy Spirit from the church, “removed God,” 1SM 204-5.  That is why the following statements are
  not now CONDITIONAL any more.  They now
  apply full fledge, with a particle of doubt: "He will
  take his Holy Spirit from the church and Give it to OTHERS who will
  appreciate it." E. G. White, Review
  and Herald, July 16, 1895,  Vol. 3,
  272.  "The
  Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish
  people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of
  God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this
  principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to
  the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred
  their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen
  to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their
  lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy
  principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble
  them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them
  a reproach.  God is not
  'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed anything (Acts
  17:25)." E.G. White, The Upward
  Look, 131.   Fear and Shun
  "'They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When
  those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for
  union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we
  should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is
  prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and
  should be resisted as resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend
  to unsettle the faith of God' people in His guiding power, should be
  steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets
  and Kings, p. 660. Back
  to pastor Kirkpatrick’s article: Let each of us be careful and not forget
  that we live in the midst of a throw-away society. We have to rise above the
  standard operating procedure of the world around us, who, if something seems
  to stop being of use to them, chuck it out the window without a second
  thought. Church membership is not to be taken lightly. Not at all. Consider
  this statement: It will not do for any of us to get
  careless and indifferent in regard to our church-membership. While on this
  journey that I am now taking, I have felt a most solemn responsibility to try
  to show our people that God holds them accountable to live lives that will
  keep the atmosphere of the church pure and fragrant. God is dishonored, and
  his Spirit is grieved, when this atmosphere is tainted by careless living and
  by evil-speaking.  Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, January 19, 1905 Ron responds: Notice the qualifying words
  to Ellen White’s statement Kirkpatrick quotes above. 
    I
  was confirmed in all I had stated in  
 And what about the careless living as it
  relates to evil-doing by way of committing Omega Apostasy?  Might we correctly reason that God is
  dishonored and His Spirit is grieved, when the atmosphere of the church is tainted
  by such CARE LESS actions that “removed God,” (1 SM 204-5)? Kirkpatrick
  continues: The intent of that statement was to
  remind its hearers of the sacredness of their church membership. We're not
  saved through being a member of the formally organized church, but it is
  still God's desire that we link our life and influence to the structure that
  He has erected on the earth. The church needs its salt. It is to be composed
  of "the called out" from the world. It's different than joining the
  Rotary Club. People can and do just up and leave from some types of
  organizations. Why not the SDA church? Ron responds:  The church is “supposed” to be “the called
  out” from the world.  But when it forms
  a conspiracy (confederacy) to join Babylon’s associations, councils, girdings
  and confederacies, Isaiah 8:9-13, it is no different from the world and the
  churches it has linked itself with by association and this applies even to
  the local Ministerial Associations,
  which, according to the Canadian Council of Churches, are a local arm
  (subsidiary) of the World Council of Churches and various National Councils
  around the world, and every SDA minister is encouraged to join those local
  subsidiaries of Babylon, by Adventism’s highest leaders at Headquarters and
  at Andrews University.  They pay annual
  dues to be involved with those Ministerial
  Associations.  I asked SDA leaders
  if they could name ONE PERSON who has been converted to the SDA church via
  fraternity of SDA ministers with those Ministerial
  Associations, and they could not name ONE.  Joining Babylon’s associations, in order to
  convert prospects, IS NOT God’s plan. 
  Rather, all who do are broken in pieces in the next literal
  fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, and that includes all members who support such
  ministers with church membership and tithe monies. Kirkpatrick
  continues: God's purpose for the church is that it
  be "the pillar and ground of the truth." And so the most loyal
  members will be those insisting that the pillar and ground of the truth be
  the pillar and ground of the truth. When you've arrived at the place where
  God's drawn His line in the sand, where He's chosen to group His own people,
  "a chosen people, His church, to be His own, His own fortress, which He
  holds in a sin-stricken, revolted world;" a body in which He intends
  that "no laws be acknowledged by it, but His own,"3 then what do
  you do? Abandon it at the sound of a gunshot? This is a war, guys. Ron responds:  This is a ludicrously hypocritical
  statement by Kirkpatrick, considering that the New Movement SDA church, led
  by Satan himself, has destroyed the most important pillar doctrine--the
  Godhead.  Kirkpatrick would not even
  respond to my views as presented on his Internet Great Controversy
  forum.  He just told me that if I
  persisted in giving Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit, he would
  remove me and I did and he did! He is a coward in the Word.  He is a betrayer, just as Ellen White
  defined such dumb-dogs who will not bark in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.  They are ALL dumb-dogs that will not bark
  AND REMOVE THOSE who stand for the truth. 
  This should raise the righteous indignation of every true Seventh-day
  Adventist!  Ellen White sanctioned this
  course in the following statement: "While others try
  to throw a cloak over the existing evil, and excuse the great wickedness
  everywhere prevalent, those who have a zeal for God's honor and a love for
  souls will not hold their peace to obtain favor of any. Their righteous souls are vexed day by day
  with the unholy works and conversation of the unrighteous. They are powerless
  to stop the rushing torrent of iniquity, and hence they are filled with grief
  and alarm. They mourn before God to see religion despised in the very homes
  of those who have had great light. They
  lament and afflict their souls because pride, avarice, selfishness, and deception
  of almost every kind are in the church. The
  Spirit of God, which prompts to reproof,
  is trampled underfoot, while the servants of Satan triumph. God is dishonored, the truth made of none
  effect" (Testimonies, Vol. 5,
  pp. 210, 211). That is what Kirkpatrick
  did to me.  He trampled underfoot the
  Spirit of God when I was trying to get him to conform to the Holy Spirit’s
  definition of the Holy Spirit! He will pay a dear price for such a coarse
  that set’s the people of God adrift without a compass. The next time any
  professing Seventh-day Adventists advises you not to “jump ship,” ask them
  WHICH ONE of the following ships they are referring to: Defective Ship: We can
  know that if a ship has false teaching it will not survive the rigors of the
  ocean of strife and turmoil: "You have had too great confidence in the
  ability of these men. A ship may be sound in nearly every respect but if
  there is one defect,--a bit of timber worm-eaten,--the lives of all on board
  are imperiled." E.G. White, Testimonies,
  Vol. 4, 322. Ship Drifting at Sea
  Without Chart or Compass: "The facts concerning the real condition of
  the professed people of God, speak more loudly than their profession, and
  make it evident that some power has cut the cable that anchored them to the
  Eternal Rock, and that they are drifting away to sea, without chart or
  compass." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 128, (Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 231).
  (Also see Fundamentals of Christian
  Education, p. 348). "Every ship sailing
  the sea of life needs to have the divine Pilot on board but when storms
  arise, when tempests threaten, many persons push their Pilot overboard, and
  commit their bark into the hand of finite man, or try to steer it themselves.
  Then disaster and wreckage generally follow, and the Pilot is blamed for
  running them into such dangerous waters." E.G. White, Fundamentals of Christian Education, p.
  348. Is the Pilot on board
  the SDA New Movement, New Organization Ship described in Selected Messages,
  vol. 1, 204-5? Page 205 says He [God] has been removed! Noble Ship #1: "I
  lately read of a NOBLE SHIP that was plowing its way across the sea, when at
  midnight, with a terrific crash, it struck upon a rock the passengers were
  awakened only to see with horror their hopeless condition, and with the ship
  they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM [VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken
  the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a moment's warning launched
  into eternity." E.G. White, Selected
  Messages, Bk. 2, 128. Noble Ship #2:
  "There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not
  succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order.
  If maters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that,
  and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry
  the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G.
  White, Selected Messages, Bk. 2,
  390. Immediately preceding
  the above statement is the admonition: Change Leaders:
  "There is manifested on the part of men in responsible positions an
  unwillingness to confess where they have been in the wrong and their neglect is
  working disaster, not only to themselves, but to the churches....You will be
  left to make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack
  wisdom, and will can sin righteousness and righteousness sin. The multitude
  of deceptions that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you
  will change leaders, and not know that you have done so." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 448. Change Leaders:
  "Men in positions of responsibility are in danger of changing leaders.
  This I know, for it has been plainly revealed to me." E.G. White, Series B, #2, p. 48. Change Leaders:
  "Men who might have stood in clear light, doing valiant service as
  ministers of the gospel and medical missionaries, have been accepting false
  theories and sophistries which originated with the father of lies, and yet
  they do not realize that they have changed." E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, #7, p. 13-16, November
  20, 1905. Change Leaders:
  "Satan will set up his hellish banner right in your homes, and you will
  be so blinded to the real nature of his deceptions that you reverence it as
  the banner of Christ." E.G. White,
  The 1888 Materials, p. 505. Change Leaders:
  "They will not recognize him [Satan] as their enemy, that old serpent,
  but they will consider him a FRIEND, one who is doing a good work." Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 294. Change Leaders: Satan
  has laid his plans to undermine our faith in the history of the cause and
  work of God. I am deeply in earnest as I write this. Satan is working with
  men in prominent positions to sweep away the foundation of our faith. Shall
  we allow this to be done, brethren?" E.G. White, Review and Herald, Nov. 19, 1903. Note: The foundation of
  our faith involves pillar doctrines, and Newell Hammond says this is not now,
  was not and never will be a problem. Again, Ellen White refutes such
  foolhardy error. Change Leaders if
  Mistakes are not Admitted and Changed: "If when the Lord reveals your
  errors you do not repent or make confession, his providence will bring you
  over the ground again and again. You will be left to make mistakes of a
  similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and will call sin
  righteousness, and righteousness sin. The multitude of deceptions that will
  prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will CHANGE LEADERS,
  AND NOT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE SO." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 449. Change Leaders:
  "Satan has COME IN with his specious temptations, and has led the
  professed followers of Christ away from the [PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing
  them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies
  to Ministers, p. 130. Change Leaders:
  "Refusing to follow in the path of obedience, they transferred their
  allegiance to Satan. The enemy rejoiced in his success in effacing the divine
  image from the minds of the people that God had chosen as His
  representatives. Through [ECUMENICAL] intermarriage with idolaters and
  CONSTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THEM [Isa. 8:9-20], Satan brought about that for
  which he had long been working,--a national apostasy." Fundamentals to Christian Education,
  p. 449. Change Leaders:
  "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of
  their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the
  Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As
  the men of  A confederacy: The World
  will form a confederacy of (beast)papists, protestants (false prophet) and
  New Agers (dragon). Their purpose will be declared as being the "saving
  of the world" from the problems that are obviously causing much
  distress. They will gird themselves with swords of militant power to enforce
  their plan. They will have great councils and wonderful sounding plans-but
  they will not succeed, instead they will be heading for total disaster.  Godhead as a pillar
  doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek
  to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how
  they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would
  remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the
  personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking
  to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an
  anchor." {MR760 9.5} After the truth has been
  proclaimed as a witness to all nations, every conceivable power of evil will
  be set in operation, and minds will be confused by many voices crying.
  "Lo, here is Christ; lo, He is there. This is the truth, I have the
  message from God, He has sent me with great light." Then there will be a
  removing of the landmarks, and an attempt to tear down the pillars of our
  faith. A more decided effort will be made to exalt the false sabbath, and to
  cast contempt upon God Himself by supplanting the day He has blessed and
  sanctified. This false sabbath is to be enforced by an oppressive law. {Mar
  192.2}      In the future, deception of every kind
  is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for
  the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has
  established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine
  that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be
  a departing from the faith. {Mar 192.3} As we near the end of
  time, falsehood will be so mingled with truth, that only those who have the
  guidance of the Holy Spirit will be able to distinguish truth from error. We
  need to make every effort to keep the way of the Lord. We must in no case
  turn from His guidance to put our trust in man. The Lord's angels are appointed
  to keep strict watch over those who put their faith in the Lord, and these
  angels are to be our special help in every time of need. Every day we are to
  come to the Lord with full assurance of faith, and to look to Him for wisdom.
  . . . Those who are guided by the Word of the Lord will discern with
  certainty between falsehood and truth, between sin and righteousness. {Mar
  192.5} "I entreat every
  one to be clear and firm regarding the certain truths that we have heard and received
  and advocated. The statements of God's Word are plain. Plant your feet firmly
  on the platform of eternal truth. Reject every phase of error, even though it
  be covered with a semblance of reality, which denies the personality of God
  and of Christ." {RH, August 31, 1905 par. 11} Kirkpatrick
  continues: Being a member of the Seventh-day
  Adventist Church gives me an opportunity to serve Him within His stronghold.
  True. Other venues exist where we can serve our Lord, including
  self-supporting ministries. But the Lord's first intention is that we remain
  within the structure He has established and make sure it continues to exist
  as the structure He has established. He has a use for it still. If we leave
  it, then it is surely doomed. Some, as I have been able to do, can expend our
  energies directly from within her. Others, while remaining members, may on
  occasion find that para-church entities offer special alternatives for
  service. Let the workers, in all their varied spheres do the work of the Lord. Ron responds:  How is the SDA church God’s stronghold
  after it has removed God (1SM 204-5), by ecumenical fraternity and adopting
  Rome’s concept of the Godhead?  That
  removes the Holy Flesh (God), Jeremiah 11:9-15.  That is manifest disobedience to the first
  and second angel’s messages.  The
  Trinity Doctrine violates the first angel’s message and ecumenical fraternity
  with Babylon, violates the second angel’s message.  For this reason, the call to come out of
  the world and fallen churches that cannot be distinguished from the world,
  now applies to professing, New Movement, New Organization, Seventh-day
  Adventism.  It is for these serious,
  Omega of Apostasy violations of God’s Word and the Spirit of Prophecy Holy
  Spirit gift, that the church will be broken in pieces in another literal
  fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.  These do not
  constitute all of the abominations by any means, but they are the most
  serious, and both constitute God’s line in the sand.  To link in ANY WAY with the fallen churches
  is to link with the world, because: "I saw that since
  the second angel proclaimed the fall of the churches, they have been growing
  more and more corrupt. They bear the name of being Christ's followers yet it
  is IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish them from ...Satan has taken FULL POSSESSION of
  the churches as a body." E.G. White, Early
  Writings, 273. Kirkpatrick continues: Ellen White, at the time of the Kellogg
  crisis, had a vision of an approaching ideological challenge of grave
  proportion. It was represented to her as an iceberg dead-ahead of the ship
  she was sailing on. "Ellen, quickly, jump overboard!" shouted the
  angel. Well no. The actual words of the angel in regard to the crisis were:
  "Meet it!"4 Shall not we, in our day of crisis, endeavor to
  "meet it" head on, even if it causes the ship to tremble from stem
  to stern? Ron responds:  This is another ludicrously hypocritical
  statement by Larry, because he staunchly forbids any discussion of the
  critical issues of the church on his Great Controversy forum!  He removed me for trying to “Meet” the
  apostasy involving the pillar doctrine of the very Godhead!  He forbade me to speak on it!  Why? 
  I was only quoting Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit.  You tell me what is wrong with that friend
  of mine, and Larry Kirkpatrick, and I will repent!  What are we to “meet” Larry?  Why didn’t you spell out the abominations
  that we are to meet as Ellen White did? 
  Were you consciously, or unconsciously fulfilling Ellen White’s statement
  of 5T 211, that all you dumb-dogs will NEVER AGAIN show the house of Jacob
  its sins?!  How will your dumb-sheep
  patrons know what to “MEET” IF YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN TELL THEM of their sins
  and those of you and your leaders in violating strictly forbidden commands of
  God involving the very mission and commission of the church, the first and
  second angel’s messages and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25?!   Are you one of the priest’s that teaches
  for hire only?  Are you a peace and
  safety coward?  You didn’t even tell
  your patron sheep what the “warts” are! 
  Let along the gross Omega Apostasies they are to “MEET” as Ellen White
  met the Alpha of Apostasy!  And, Oh,
  Larry, your forgot to tell the sheep that “nothing will be allowed to stand
  in the way of the New Movement that has removed God,” 1SM 204-5.  You are instructing the sheep to remain and
  like yourself, defy the Spirit of Prophecy, by “meeting” something!  What? 
  And how do you propose to turn the ship around when Ellen White said
  that nothing will be allowed to stand in its way?! Kirkpatrick
  continues: Have you ever stopped to consider how
  much energy there is today among conservative Seventh-day Adventists in North
  America? Mind you, its largely unfocused. Yet consider what might occur were
  we to get our act together and through insight from the Holy Spirit, devise
  meaningful solutions to the problems confronting the church? Instead, all to
  often we stand in the shadows and complain. Meanwhile, the liberals appear on
  our administrators' doorstep with pleasant looking packages, conceived to
  explode in their hands after they've left the scene. The enemies of truth are
  wise. But can't we do better than they? Ron responds:  What do you and what does your Website do
  to focus on the really serious issues of the Omega of Apostasy, which Ellen
  White said would involve the personality and presence of God.  The Trinity Doctrine is directly involved
  with the personality and presence of God! 
  For it involves the correct definition of the Holy Spirit!  You stifled my attempt to “MEET” that
  aspect of the Omega of Apostasy, by removing me from your forum.  Why? 
  You never gave the any reasons Larry! 
  Not one!  You just rudely
  removed me.  Why will you defend the
  Central Doctrine of Rome as a pillar doctrine of your apostate church?  Is it to remain a TIMESERVER priest for
  hire?  Do you have any notion of the
  penalty for such behavior on the part of a watchman? Do you know that God has
  a day of vengeance reserved for all who imbibe such conduct and thus serve as
  examples of betrayal of sacred trust to others? Kirkpatrick
  continues: If we can find ways to be faithful to
  truth and yet more supportive of our beleaguered leaders, there could be a
  change. Don't forget. From your vantage point you
  can't see it all. There are many faithful, Bible and Spirit of prophecy
  believing Seventh-day Adventists scattered across the planet, intent on
  serving Jesus valiantly. Their faith reaches up to the skies. They will not
  be denied. Ron responds:  By your words:  “…there could be a change,” are you saying
  that Ellen White was a false prophet when she said that “nothing would be
  allowed to stand in the way of the new movement?  What do you propose to stand in its way
  Larry, when you will NEVER AGAINS show the House of Jacob it’s most heinous
  sins and abominations.  Can you and
  your patrons whom you so carefully protect from the truly serious issues, be
  sealed without sighing and crying for ALL the abominations, Ezekiel 9:4, and
  showing God’s people their sins, Isaiah 58:1, which Ellen White says is the
  work of all of us? You focus on the true gospel as given by
  Priebe and Paulson.  That is good.  But you either do not know or cleverly
  avert any discussion of the more serious abominations that the church is
  imbibing up to its eyeballs in apostasy. 
  Why Larry?  How are you exempt
  from Ezekiel 9:4?  How will you be
  sealed while failing to curb ALL the abominations by at lease sighing and
  crying for them? Kirkpatrick
  continues: I'm still glad to be a Seventh-day
  Adventist, although on occasion I have to pray for insight for how to repair
  misconceptions about us spawned by the work of the new-modelers. May God have
  mercy and recover His church from the wandering she has embarked upon with
  the continuing passage of time. By no means is the future of the church in
  its present structure assured. You will hear no echoes here of the tired
  refrain, "The church is going through." I want it to go through.
  But God knows all things. Ron responds:  I commend you for your stance of not taking
  up the old bigoted refrain:  “The
  church is going through,” NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.  But why do you make general and cursory
  mention of repairing misconceptions spawned by “new-modelers,” without even
  saying what those misconceptions of the “new modelers” are?  You thereby give credence to the New
  Movement.  Why don’t you call it what
  Ellen White called it?  I realize that
  she referred to young ministers who try to remodel the cause, but she also
  spoke of a New Movement, and all her specifications relative to that New
  Movement have been fulfilled. Do you view the new modeled false gospel
  as the only misconceptionally conceived apostasy of SDA church leaders?  Is that all you understand by the Omega of
  Apostasy, which Ellen White said would surely develop in “a little while” and
  wax stronger until Jesus comes?  Are
  you afraid to stand like Elijah and show the House of Jacob its sins and
  gross abominations that will only get it broken in pieces, Isaiah 8:9-13.  Do you think ecumenical violation of the
  first and second angel’s messages by ecumenical fraternity and inclusion of
  Rome’s  "The peculiar work of
  the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His
  people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But
  now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the
  preparation to make. When the National Reformers began to urge measures to
  restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the
  situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It
  is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very
  present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are
  giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that
  message. The National Reform movement has been regarded by some as of so
  little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much
  attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would
  be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting
  the very message for this time." {5T 714.2}  Note, The World Council of Churches,
  traces its roots back to the Evangelical Association of Phillip Schaff, and
  the Nation Reform Movement of Ellen White’s day.  See their Silver Anniversary book,
  published by the World Council of Churches. 
  You can write to them for a copy. 
  I did. Kirkpatrick continues: We need a more realistic view of the
  church than we've had. The constantly published statement about the church
  going through has two versions, you know. The one we're used to seeing, says
  "Enfeebled and defective, the church is nevertheless the object of
  Christ's supreme regard." But that's not the only way she said that. In
  fact, she used the same phrase in other places, but said it a bit differently:
  "Enfeebled and defective, needing constantly to be warned and counseled,
  the church is nevertheless the object of Christ's supreme regard.5 Yes,
  "needing constantly to be warned and counseled." Let us embrace
  anew the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, and hear those warnings and
  counsellings, and turn. If we are faithful, brethren, we'll see
  the salvation of God. Ron responds:  The 144,000, Revelation 14:1-4, will not be
  defiled by women, fallen churches. We are instructed to strive to be among the
  144,000.  Your admonition, Larry, to
  remain with a harlot church, will at least prevent those who listen to you
  from being one of the 144,000.  They
  must then prepare for martyrdom, for only the 144,000 are translated without
  seeing death.  This is a serious “lease
  consequence” of your advice to professing Seventh-day Adventists.  The worst consequence is that all who are
  KNOWINGLY in violation of Isaiah 8:9-13, and the first and second angel’s
  messages, and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, will be broken in pieces in the
  next literal Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and little children. What about the warnings against
  ecumenical involvement with Babylon—that we are not to link with them in ANY
  WAY that would identify us with them? 
  What about embracing her definition of the Holy Spirit, involved with
  the Godhead, rather than embracing Babylon’s CENTRAL DOCTRINE, the Trinity
  doctrine?  Both of these violations by
  the church are involved with violations of the first and second angel’s
  messages?  Why do you avoid these
  serious issues like the plague, and those who address them as being the
  plague. Sincerely, in the Name of the Almighty
  God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Ron Beaulieu (Kirkpatrick’s Footnotes below)
  ______________________________________ Notes 1. This is an awkward attempt to refer to
  the "big" SDA church, the descendant structure from that originally
  organized in 1863. It's difficult to know the best way to word this.  2.       Ellen
  G. White, Review and Herald, January 19, 1905.  3.       ________.
  Testimonies for Ministers, p. 16.  4.       ________.
  Selected Message, vol. 1, p. 205.  5.       Ellen
  G. White, Testimonies, vol. 7, p. 16.  |