A Rebuttal
and Open Letter to SDA Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick
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Foreword by Ron Beaulieu: Dear Reader, In this document I have included all of
SDA Pastor, Larry Kirkpatrick’s document which he has on his Website
detailing the reasons why he is glad to remain a member of the professing
Seventh-day Adventist church. I will
review and intersperse my remarks under his paragraphs assessing the church
and his reasons for remaining a member and pastor of that fallen, New
Movement, New Organization, church. It
will be interesting to note that pastor Kirkpatrick DOES NOT mention one
corporate sin of the church. That
fulfills Ellen White’s statement that NEVER AGAIN, would the dumb-dog
watchmen cry aloud to show God’s people their sins: "Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the
wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood
as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the
position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of
God's power as in former days.
Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do
evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to
show God's people their
transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance
of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish
together." E. G. White, Testimonies,
Vol. 5, 211. The following link proves how SDA New
Movement leaders have torn down that which God for decades built up. Pastor Kirkpatrick does not address one of
the important issues stated in this document. I do not tear down one doctrine of pioneer
Seventh-day Adventism. https://omega77.tripod.com/standards1.htm The SDA church has torn down a pillar
doctrine of the Godhead; the very Spirit of Prophecy definition of the Holy
Spirit, which Ellen White defined as a pillar doctrine, and of course, it
goes without saying that a correct teaching of the Godhead is PILLAR if
anything is PILLAR to any belief system. Godhead as a pillar
doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek
to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how
they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would
remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor." {E.G. White, MR760 9.5} Speaking of the “noble
ship,” it was set adrift without an anchor when the SDA church adopted the Trinity
Doctrine in the early 1930’s, that does total despite to Ellen White’s
definition of the Holy Spirit. Pastor
Larry Kirkpatrick, and EVERY SDA MINISTER, has adopted and defends that
errant central doctrine of Rome, the Trinity Doctrine. If they did not, the church would defrock
them! The church adopted the
Trinity Doctrine, to prove that it was “Evangelical,” and one with the fallen
churches. And so it is. This violation of God, plus ecumenical
fraternity, in direct violation of the second angel’s message of Revelation
14, and God’s express commands in Isaiah 8:9-13, removed God’s presence from
the church, and Israel did that by conspiracy with God’s enemies (ALONE),
which removes the Holy Flesh (God), Jeremiah 11:9-15, to the point God says
no longer pray for such a people, Jeremiah 11:14. That is God’s line in the sand. What were the faithful Jews doing at that
time? In the days of Shinar,
Jeremiah’s time of prophesying? "The recreant
priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they
still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with
sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the
corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not
to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their
peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves,
concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in
any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.
“The church has turned back from
following Christ her Leader and is steadily retreating toward Egypt. Yet few
are alarmed or astonished at their want of spiritual power. Doubt and even
disbelief of the testimonies of the Spirit of God, is leavening our churches
everywhere. Satan would have it thus.” Testimonies,
Vol. 5, 217; see also ibid., 211; ibid., vol. 1, 608–609; ibid., vol. 9, 164;
Gospel Workers, 14–15. Apparently, pastor Larry Kirkpatrick is
one of those who is not alarmed or astonished that the church has turned back
from following Christ as her Leader and is still steadily retreating toward
Egypt. Egypt is the city used to
spiritually symbolize unbelief. The
unbelief is in the counsel of the Testimonies of the Spirit of God, and that
unbelief has been leavening the church in sin for decades since the statement
was written by Ellen White. There has
been no turning around, no repentance, no reformation by the church
leaders. Ellen White said in 1882, 5T
211, that the dumb-dog watchmen would NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob its
sins, and that this is why Ezekiel 9 would have another literal fulfillment
BEGINNING “at His Sanctuary,” the professing Seventh-day Adventist
church. End of Foreword by Ron
Now,
Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick’s Website Article: Some might wonder if, in the light of
recent events occurring within the "formally" organized SDA
church,1 some of us have wearied of our membership in it. Perhaps some have.
But for me, the answer is not difficult: No. Ron responds: There is a reason why the answer is not
difficult for Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick. God gives us the answer. It is found in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211,
quoted in the foreword above:
"Study the 9th
chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep.
They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while
longer will the Lord bear with
the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these
truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling
will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it
is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter
106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley,
September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White
Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.
Now Kirkpatrick’s statement continues: I remain an active member of the
incorporated body headquartered in Maryland and composing of some 12 million
members worldwide. I preach and teach and baptize into this church. I return
my tithe through this church. I pray for the earthly leadership of this
church. Yes. In spite of all the warts. Ron responds: Dear fellow believer, gross apostasy is
more than just warts! Warts are mere
faults and defects. Gross apostasy
that crosses God’s line in the sand eg. Jeremiah 11:9-15, to the point of
forming a confederacy with God’s enemies, in violation of the second angel’s
messages and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, and Isaiah 8:9-13, is more than
mere “warts.” But as God says in
Isaiah 58:10-12, ALL the watchmen, and that includes pastor Larry
Kirkpatrick, and all pastors right to the top, Jan Paulsen, AFTER Omega of
Apostasy confederacy with Babylon occurs and after the church changes pillar
doctrines, such as Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit, which the
church defied by adopting Rome’s Central Doctrine, the Trinity Doctrine. I was on pastor Kirkpatrick’s Great
Controversy group forum. He removed me
for persistently giving Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit. The following statement is apropos: "In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will
be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and
him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance
will be executed against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people
should have and what they should not have. These take away
the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in themselves, and
those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not
the seal of the living God.
All who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly
afraid lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards."
E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55. Pastor Kirkpatrick has decided what the
people should and should not have.
They take away the key of knowledge, the Spirit of Prophecy, and
thereby the Holy Spirit, which teaches us all things, if He is not removed
from the church by the leaders. Did
Ellen White prophecy this would occur? Yes, because of the following two
statements. The first statement guarantees the
absolute fulfillment of the other two: "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized,
the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger,
and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a
shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated
faith, and go forward
from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has
been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from
the earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper,
more earnest, unwavering faith in
the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to
confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day
all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing
from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines
of devils. There must
not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57). The Trinity Doctrine, the Central
Doctrine of Roman Catholicism, is a doctrine of devils when all it’s
implications are rightly understood.
The New Movement SDA church adopted that doctrine of devils in the
early 1930’s. That effectively removed
the Holy Spirit from the church, “removed God,” 1SM 204-5. That is why the following statements are
not now CONDITIONAL any more. They now
apply full fledge, with a particle of doubt: "He will
take his Holy Spirit from the church and Give it to OTHERS who will
appreciate it." E. G. White, Review
and Herald, July 16, 1895, Vol. 3,
272. "The
Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish
people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of
God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this
principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to
the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred
their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen
to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their
lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy
principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble
them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them
a reproach. God is not
'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed anything (Acts
17:25)." E.G. White, The Upward
Look, 131. Fear and Shun
"'They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When
those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for
union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we
should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is
prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and
should be resisted as resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend
to unsettle the faith of God' people in His guiding power, should be
steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets
and Kings, p. 660. Back
to pastor Kirkpatrick’s article: Let each of us be careful and not forget
that we live in the midst of a throw-away society. We have to rise above the
standard operating procedure of the world around us, who, if something seems
to stop being of use to them, chuck it out the window without a second
thought. Church membership is not to be taken lightly. Not at all. Consider
this statement: It will not do for any of us to get
careless and indifferent in regard to our church-membership. While on this
journey that I am now taking, I have felt a most solemn responsibility to try
to show our people that God holds them accountable to live lives that will
keep the atmosphere of the church pure and fragrant. God is dishonored, and
his Spirit is grieved, when this atmosphere is tainted by careless living and
by evil-speaking. Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, January 19, 1905 Ron responds: Notice the qualifying words
to Ellen White’s statement Kirkpatrick quotes above.
I
was confirmed in all I had stated in
And what about the careless living as it
relates to evil-doing by way of committing Omega Apostasy? Might we correctly reason that God is
dishonored and His Spirit is grieved, when the atmosphere of the church is tainted
by such CARE LESS actions that “removed God,” (1 SM 204-5)? Kirkpatrick
continues: The intent of that statement was to
remind its hearers of the sacredness of their church membership. We're not
saved through being a member of the formally organized church, but it is
still God's desire that we link our life and influence to the structure that
He has erected on the earth. The church needs its salt. It is to be composed
of "the called out" from the world. It's different than joining the
Rotary Club. People can and do just up and leave from some types of
organizations. Why not the SDA church? Ron responds: The church is “supposed” to be “the called
out” from the world. But when it forms
a conspiracy (confederacy) to join Babylon’s associations, councils, girdings
and confederacies, Isaiah 8:9-13, it is no different from the world and the
churches it has linked itself with by association and this applies even to
the local Ministerial Associations,
which, according to the Canadian Council of Churches, are a local arm
(subsidiary) of the World Council of Churches and various National Councils
around the world, and every SDA minister is encouraged to join those local
subsidiaries of Babylon, by Adventism’s highest leaders at Headquarters and
at Andrews University. They pay annual
dues to be involved with those Ministerial
Associations. I asked SDA leaders
if they could name ONE PERSON who has been converted to the SDA church via
fraternity of SDA ministers with those Ministerial
Associations, and they could not name ONE. Joining Babylon’s associations, in order to
convert prospects, IS NOT God’s plan.
Rather, all who do are broken in pieces in the next literal
fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, and that includes all members who support such
ministers with church membership and tithe monies. Kirkpatrick
continues: God's purpose for the church is that it
be "the pillar and ground of the truth." And so the most loyal
members will be those insisting that the pillar and ground of the truth be
the pillar and ground of the truth. When you've arrived at the place where
God's drawn His line in the sand, where He's chosen to group His own people,
"a chosen people, His church, to be His own, His own fortress, which He
holds in a sin-stricken, revolted world;" a body in which He intends
that "no laws be acknowledged by it, but His own,"3 then what do
you do? Abandon it at the sound of a gunshot? This is a war, guys. Ron responds: This is a ludicrously hypocritical
statement by Kirkpatrick, considering that the New Movement SDA church, led
by Satan himself, has destroyed the most important pillar doctrine--the
Godhead. Kirkpatrick would not even
respond to my views as presented on his Internet Great Controversy
forum. He just told me that if I
persisted in giving Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit, he would
remove me and I did and he did! He is a coward in the Word. He is a betrayer, just as Ellen White
defined such dumb-dogs who will not bark in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. They are ALL dumb-dogs that will not bark
AND REMOVE THOSE who stand for the truth.
This should raise the righteous indignation of every true Seventh-day
Adventist! Ellen White sanctioned this
course in the following statement: "While others try
to throw a cloak over the existing evil, and excuse the great wickedness
everywhere prevalent, those who have a zeal for God's honor and a love for
souls will not hold their peace to obtain favor of any. Their righteous souls are vexed day by day
with the unholy works and conversation of the unrighteous. They are powerless
to stop the rushing torrent of iniquity, and hence they are filled with grief
and alarm. They mourn before God to see religion despised in the very homes
of those who have had great light. They
lament and afflict their souls because pride, avarice, selfishness, and deception
of almost every kind are in the church. The
Spirit of God, which prompts to reproof,
is trampled underfoot, while the servants of Satan triumph. God is dishonored, the truth made of none
effect" (Testimonies, Vol. 5,
pp. 210, 211). That is what Kirkpatrick
did to me. He trampled underfoot the
Spirit of God when I was trying to get him to conform to the Holy Spirit’s
definition of the Holy Spirit! He will pay a dear price for such a coarse
that set’s the people of God adrift without a compass. The next time any
professing Seventh-day Adventists advises you not to “jump ship,” ask them
WHICH ONE of the following ships they are referring to: Defective Ship: We can
know that if a ship has false teaching it will not survive the rigors of the
ocean of strife and turmoil: "You have had too great confidence in the
ability of these men. A ship may be sound in nearly every respect but if
there is one defect,--a bit of timber worm-eaten,--the lives of all on board
are imperiled." E.G. White, Testimonies,
Vol. 4, 322. Ship Drifting at Sea
Without Chart or Compass: "The facts concerning the real condition of
the professed people of God, speak more loudly than their profession, and
make it evident that some power has cut the cable that anchored them to the
Eternal Rock, and that they are drifting away to sea, without chart or
compass." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 128, (Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 231).
(Also see Fundamentals of Christian
Education, p. 348). "Every ship sailing
the sea of life needs to have the divine Pilot on board but when storms
arise, when tempests threaten, many persons push their Pilot overboard, and
commit their bark into the hand of finite man, or try to steer it themselves.
Then disaster and wreckage generally follow, and the Pilot is blamed for
running them into such dangerous waters." E.G. White, Fundamentals of Christian Education, p.
348. Is the Pilot on board
the SDA New Movement, New Organization Ship described in Selected Messages,
vol. 1, 204-5? Page 205 says He [God] has been removed! Noble Ship #1: "I
lately read of a NOBLE SHIP that was plowing its way across the sea, when at
midnight, with a terrific crash, it struck upon a rock the passengers were
awakened only to see with horror their hopeless condition, and with the ship
they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM [VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken
the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a moment's warning launched
into eternity." E.G. White, Selected
Messages, Bk. 2, 128. Noble Ship #2:
"There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not
succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order.
If maters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that,
and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry
the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G.
White, Selected Messages, Bk. 2,
390. Immediately preceding
the above statement is the admonition: Change Leaders:
"There is manifested on the part of men in responsible positions an
unwillingness to confess where they have been in the wrong and their neglect is
working disaster, not only to themselves, but to the churches....You will be
left to make mistakes of a similar character, you will continue to lack
wisdom, and will can sin righteousness and righteousness sin. The multitude
of deceptions that will prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you
will change leaders, and not know that you have done so." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 448. Change Leaders:
"Men in positions of responsibility are in danger of changing leaders.
This I know, for it has been plainly revealed to me." E.G. White, Series B, #2, p. 48. Change Leaders:
"Men who might have stood in clear light, doing valiant service as
ministers of the gospel and medical missionaries, have been accepting false
theories and sophistries which originated with the father of lies, and yet
they do not realize that they have changed." E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, #7, p. 13-16, November
20, 1905. Change Leaders:
"Satan will set up his hellish banner right in your homes, and you will
be so blinded to the real nature of his deceptions that you reverence it as
the banner of Christ." E.G. White,
The 1888 Materials, p. 505. Change Leaders:
"They will not recognize him [Satan] as their enemy, that old serpent,
but they will consider him a FRIEND, one who is doing a good work." Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 294. Change Leaders: Satan
has laid his plans to undermine our faith in the history of the cause and
work of God. I am deeply in earnest as I write this. Satan is working with
men in prominent positions to sweep away the foundation of our faith. Shall
we allow this to be done, brethren?" E.G. White, Review and Herald, Nov. 19, 1903. Note: The foundation of
our faith involves pillar doctrines, and Newell Hammond says this is not now,
was not and never will be a problem. Again, Ellen White refutes such
foolhardy error. Change Leaders if
Mistakes are not Admitted and Changed: "If when the Lord reveals your
errors you do not repent or make confession, his providence will bring you
over the ground again and again. You will be left to make mistakes of a
similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and will call sin
righteousness, and righteousness sin. The multitude of deceptions that will
prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will CHANGE LEADERS,
AND NOT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE SO." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 449. Change Leaders:
"Satan has COME IN with his specious temptations, and has led the
professed followers of Christ away from the [PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing
them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies
to Ministers, p. 130. Change Leaders:
"Refusing to follow in the path of obedience, they transferred their
allegiance to Satan. The enemy rejoiced in his success in effacing the divine
image from the minds of the people that God had chosen as His
representatives. Through [ECUMENICAL] intermarriage with idolaters and
CONSTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THEM [Isa. 8:9-20], Satan brought about that for
which he had long been working,--a national apostasy." Fundamentals to Christian Education,
p. 449. Change Leaders:
"The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of
their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the
Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As
the men of A confederacy: The World
will form a confederacy of (beast)papists, protestants (false prophet) and
New Agers (dragon). Their purpose will be declared as being the "saving
of the world" from the problems that are obviously causing much
distress. They will gird themselves with swords of militant power to enforce
their plan. They will have great councils and wonderful sounding plans-but
they will not succeed, instead they will be heading for total disaster. Godhead as a pillar
doctrine -- Personality of God and of Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek
to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how
they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would
remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the
personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking
to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an
anchor." {MR760 9.5} After the truth has been
proclaimed as a witness to all nations, every conceivable power of evil will
be set in operation, and minds will be confused by many voices crying.
"Lo, here is Christ; lo, He is there. This is the truth, I have the
message from God, He has sent me with great light." Then there will be a
removing of the landmarks, and an attempt to tear down the pillars of our
faith. A more decided effort will be made to exalt the false sabbath, and to
cast contempt upon God Himself by supplanting the day He has blessed and
sanctified. This false sabbath is to be enforced by an oppressive law. {Mar
192.2} In the future, deception of every kind
is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for
the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has
established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine
that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be
a departing from the faith. {Mar 192.3} As we near the end of
time, falsehood will be so mingled with truth, that only those who have the
guidance of the Holy Spirit will be able to distinguish truth from error. We
need to make every effort to keep the way of the Lord. We must in no case
turn from His guidance to put our trust in man. The Lord's angels are appointed
to keep strict watch over those who put their faith in the Lord, and these
angels are to be our special help in every time of need. Every day we are to
come to the Lord with full assurance of faith, and to look to Him for wisdom.
. . . Those who are guided by the Word of the Lord will discern with
certainty between falsehood and truth, between sin and righteousness. {Mar
192.5} "I entreat every
one to be clear and firm regarding the certain truths that we have heard and received
and advocated. The statements of God's Word are plain. Plant your feet firmly
on the platform of eternal truth. Reject every phase of error, even though it
be covered with a semblance of reality, which denies the personality of God
and of Christ." {RH, August 31, 1905 par. 11} Kirkpatrick
continues: Being a member of the Seventh-day
Adventist Church gives me an opportunity to serve Him within His stronghold.
True. Other venues exist where we can serve our Lord, including
self-supporting ministries. But the Lord's first intention is that we remain
within the structure He has established and make sure it continues to exist
as the structure He has established. He has a use for it still. If we leave
it, then it is surely doomed. Some, as I have been able to do, can expend our
energies directly from within her. Others, while remaining members, may on
occasion find that para-church entities offer special alternatives for
service. Let the workers, in all their varied spheres do the work of the Lord. Ron responds: How is the SDA church God’s stronghold
after it has removed God (1SM 204-5), by ecumenical fraternity and adopting
Rome’s concept of the Godhead? That
removes the Holy Flesh (God), Jeremiah 11:9-15. That is manifest disobedience to the first
and second angel’s messages. The
Trinity Doctrine violates the first angel’s message and ecumenical fraternity
with Babylon, violates the second angel’s message. For this reason, the call to come out of
the world and fallen churches that cannot be distinguished from the world,
now applies to professing, New Movement, New Organization, Seventh-day
Adventism. It is for these serious,
Omega of Apostasy violations of God’s Word and the Spirit of Prophecy Holy
Spirit gift, that the church will be broken in pieces in another literal
fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. These do not
constitute all of the abominations by any means, but they are the most
serious, and both constitute God’s line in the sand. To link in ANY WAY with the fallen churches
is to link with the world, because: "I saw that since
the second angel proclaimed the fall of the churches, they have been growing
more and more corrupt. They bear the name of being Christ's followers yet it
is IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish them from ...Satan has taken FULL POSSESSION of
the churches as a body." E.G. White, Early
Writings, 273. Kirkpatrick continues: Ellen White, at the time of the Kellogg
crisis, had a vision of an approaching ideological challenge of grave
proportion. It was represented to her as an iceberg dead-ahead of the ship
she was sailing on. "Ellen, quickly, jump overboard!" shouted the
angel. Well no. The actual words of the angel in regard to the crisis were:
"Meet it!"4 Shall not we, in our day of crisis, endeavor to
"meet it" head on, even if it causes the ship to tremble from stem
to stern? Ron responds: This is another ludicrously hypocritical
statement by Larry, because he staunchly forbids any discussion of the
critical issues of the church on his Great Controversy forum! He removed me for trying to “Meet” the
apostasy involving the pillar doctrine of the very Godhead! He forbade me to speak on it! Why?
I was only quoting Ellen White’s definition of the Holy Spirit. You tell me what is wrong with that friend
of mine, and Larry Kirkpatrick, and I will repent! What are we to “meet” Larry? Why didn’t you spell out the abominations
that we are to meet as Ellen White did?
Were you consciously, or unconsciously fulfilling Ellen White’s statement
of 5T 211, that all you dumb-dogs will NEVER AGAIN show the house of Jacob
its sins?! How will your dumb-sheep
patrons know what to “MEET” IF YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN TELL THEM of their sins
and those of you and your leaders in violating strictly forbidden commands of
God involving the very mission and commission of the church, the first and
second angel’s messages and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25?! Are you one of the priest’s that teaches
for hire only? Are you a peace and
safety coward? You didn’t even tell
your patron sheep what the “warts” are!
Let along the gross Omega Apostasies they are to “MEET” as Ellen White
met the Alpha of Apostasy! And, Oh,
Larry, your forgot to tell the sheep that “nothing will be allowed to stand
in the way of the New Movement that has removed God,” 1SM 204-5. You are instructing the sheep to remain and
like yourself, defy the Spirit of Prophecy, by “meeting” something! What?
And how do you propose to turn the ship around when Ellen White said
that nothing will be allowed to stand in its way?! Kirkpatrick
continues: Have you ever stopped to consider how
much energy there is today among conservative Seventh-day Adventists in North
America? Mind you, its largely unfocused. Yet consider what might occur were
we to get our act together and through insight from the Holy Spirit, devise
meaningful solutions to the problems confronting the church? Instead, all to
often we stand in the shadows and complain. Meanwhile, the liberals appear on
our administrators' doorstep with pleasant looking packages, conceived to
explode in their hands after they've left the scene. The enemies of truth are
wise. But can't we do better than they? Ron responds: What do you and what does your Website do
to focus on the really serious issues of the Omega of Apostasy, which Ellen
White said would involve the personality and presence of God. The Trinity Doctrine is directly involved
with the personality and presence of God!
For it involves the correct definition of the Holy Spirit! You stifled my attempt to “MEET” that
aspect of the Omega of Apostasy, by removing me from your forum. Why?
You never gave the any reasons Larry!
Not one! You just rudely
removed me. Why will you defend the
Central Doctrine of Rome as a pillar doctrine of your apostate church? Is it to remain a TIMESERVER priest for
hire? Do you have any notion of the
penalty for such behavior on the part of a watchman? Do you know that God has
a day of vengeance reserved for all who imbibe such conduct and thus serve as
examples of betrayal of sacred trust to others? Kirkpatrick
continues: If we can find ways to be faithful to
truth and yet more supportive of our beleaguered leaders, there could be a
change. Don't forget. From your vantage point you
can't see it all. There are many faithful, Bible and Spirit of prophecy
believing Seventh-day Adventists scattered across the planet, intent on
serving Jesus valiantly. Their faith reaches up to the skies. They will not
be denied. Ron responds: By your words: “…there could be a change,” are you saying
that Ellen White was a false prophet when she said that “nothing would be
allowed to stand in the way of the new movement? What do you propose to stand in its way
Larry, when you will NEVER AGAINS show the House of Jacob it’s most heinous
sins and abominations. Can you and
your patrons whom you so carefully protect from the truly serious issues, be
sealed without sighing and crying for ALL the abominations, Ezekiel 9:4, and
showing God’s people their sins, Isaiah 58:1, which Ellen White says is the
work of all of us? You focus on the true gospel as given by
Priebe and Paulson. That is good. But you either do not know or cleverly
avert any discussion of the more serious abominations that the church is
imbibing up to its eyeballs in apostasy.
Why Larry? How are you exempt
from Ezekiel 9:4? How will you be
sealed while failing to curb ALL the abominations by at lease sighing and
crying for them? Kirkpatrick
continues: I'm still glad to be a Seventh-day
Adventist, although on occasion I have to pray for insight for how to repair
misconceptions about us spawned by the work of the new-modelers. May God have
mercy and recover His church from the wandering she has embarked upon with
the continuing passage of time. By no means is the future of the church in
its present structure assured. You will hear no echoes here of the tired
refrain, "The church is going through." I want it to go through.
But God knows all things. Ron responds: I commend you for your stance of not taking
up the old bigoted refrain: “The
church is going through,” NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES. But why do you make general and cursory
mention of repairing misconceptions spawned by “new-modelers,” without even
saying what those misconceptions of the “new modelers” are? You thereby give credence to the New
Movement. Why don’t you call it what
Ellen White called it? I realize that
she referred to young ministers who try to remodel the cause, but she also
spoke of a New Movement, and all her specifications relative to that New
Movement have been fulfilled. Do you view the new modeled false gospel
as the only misconceptionally conceived apostasy of SDA church leaders? Is that all you understand by the Omega of
Apostasy, which Ellen White said would surely develop in “a little while” and
wax stronger until Jesus comes? Are
you afraid to stand like Elijah and show the House of Jacob its sins and
gross abominations that will only get it broken in pieces, Isaiah 8:9-13. Do you think ecumenical violation of the
first and second angel’s messages by ecumenical fraternity and inclusion of
Rome’s "The peculiar work of
the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His
people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But
now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the
preparation to make. When the National Reformers began to urge measures to
restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the
situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It
is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very
present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are
giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that
message. The National Reform movement has been regarded by some as of so
little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much
attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would
be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting
the very message for this time." {5T 714.2} Note, The World Council of Churches,
traces its roots back to the Evangelical Association of Phillip Schaff, and
the Nation Reform Movement of Ellen White’s day. See their Silver Anniversary book,
published by the World Council of Churches.
You can write to them for a copy.
I did. Kirkpatrick continues: We need a more realistic view of the
church than we've had. The constantly published statement about the church
going through has two versions, you know. The one we're used to seeing, says
"Enfeebled and defective, the church is nevertheless the object of
Christ's supreme regard." But that's not the only way she said that. In
fact, she used the same phrase in other places, but said it a bit differently:
"Enfeebled and defective, needing constantly to be warned and counseled,
the church is nevertheless the object of Christ's supreme regard.5 Yes,
"needing constantly to be warned and counseled." Let us embrace
anew the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, and hear those warnings and
counsellings, and turn. If we are faithful, brethren, we'll see
the salvation of God. Ron responds: The 144,000, Revelation 14:1-4, will not be
defiled by women, fallen churches. We are instructed to strive to be among the
144,000. Your admonition, Larry, to
remain with a harlot church, will at least prevent those who listen to you
from being one of the 144,000. They
must then prepare for martyrdom, for only the 144,000 are translated without
seeing death. This is a serious “lease
consequence” of your advice to professing Seventh-day Adventists. The worst consequence is that all who are
KNOWINGLY in violation of Isaiah 8:9-13, and the first and second angel’s
messages, and the Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, will be broken in pieces in the
next literal Ezekiel 9 slaughter of men, maidens and little children. What about the warnings against
ecumenical involvement with Babylon—that we are not to link with them in ANY
WAY that would identify us with them?
What about embracing her definition of the Holy Spirit, involved with
the Godhead, rather than embracing Babylon’s CENTRAL DOCTRINE, the Trinity
doctrine? Both of these violations by
the church are involved with violations of the first and second angel’s
messages? Why do you avoid these
serious issues like the plague, and those who address them as being the
plague. Sincerely, in the Name of the Almighty
God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Ron Beaulieu (Kirkpatrick’s Footnotes below)
______________________________________ Notes 1. This is an awkward attempt to refer to
the "big" SDA church, the descendant structure from that originally
organized in 1863. It's difficult to know the best way to word this. 2. Ellen
G. White, Review and Herald, January 19, 1905. 3. ________.
Testimonies for Ministers, p. 16. 4. ________.
Selected Message, vol. 1, p. 205. 5. Ellen
G. White, Testimonies, vol. 7, p. 16. |