The Bible and Ellen White Versus Mark Finley

 What Mark Finley Will Never Tell You

Isa 56:10   His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. 

Isa 56:11   Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. 

Isa 56:12   Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. 


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Mark Finley’s remarks in the linked article above, are of much interest in that they fulfill prophesy by Ellen White concerning the church and its leaders. Mark’s statements fly in the face of the church’s prophetess, Ellen G. White. I will juxtapose her statements and some of my comments with Mark’s below:


Mark: Current Challenges to the Church

“Finley explained that wider contemporary issues present major challenges to a thriving church. “We live in a time of cynicism,” he said. “People distrust organizations.”

Opposition to church organization—in this case to Adventism—transcends ideological approaches, Finley said. “The far right and the far left have one thing in common—they are united in criticizing the church,” he said. “And no matter how conservative you are, there is another person ten times more conservative than you that will ‘shoot’ at you.”

But going to one extreme or the other is not the answer, he said. “If your religion makes you angrier, there is something wrong with your religion,” Finley said. “And if your religion makes you tolerant to sin, there is something wrong with your religion.”


Ron: True Reformers will never criticize the true Seventh-day Adventist church, nor organization in that church, because God took the reins in that church after the once SDA organization formed a new movement, new organization that removed God, as prophesied by Ellen G. White in 1SM 204-205, to wit:

"The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A NEW ORGANIZATION would be established. Books of a NEW ORDER would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the NEW MOVEMENT. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but GOD BEING REMOVED, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. 

Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] movement? We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth? E.G. White, Selected Messages,  Bk. 1, 204, 205.


Salvation CONDITIONAL to Sighing and Crying for all the Abominations


Sighing and crying for all the abominations that be done in the church, is a condition for being sealed by the Man in Linen, Ezekiel 9. Only those who do so will be sealed. This is not mere criticism. This is REPUDIATION of what apostate SDA leaders did to the church. It is they who “SOUGHT TO BRING IN,” and indeed did bring in, all the omega heresies that true reformers cry aloud and sigh and cry about. Isaiah 58, and Ellen White said that Chapter is our work.


Eze 9:4   And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 


“Mark this point with care; those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by the man in linen, are those "that sigh and cry for all the abominations that are done" in the church. Their love for purity and the honor and glory of God is such, and they have so clear a view of the exceeding sinfulness of sin, that they are represented as being in an agony, even sighing and crying.” {RH, June 8, 1886 par. 2}


Finley mock’s God’s counsel to sigh and cry, by saying in effect that ALL who protest the abominations and Cry Aloud about them, Isaiah 58:1, are just part of a far right or far left bunch of impostors who “shoot” down one another. He makes absolutely no room for valid Crying Aloud for all the abominations.


Finley said. “The far right and the far left have one thing in common—they are united in criticizing the church,” he said. “And no matter how conservative you are, there is another person ten times more conservative than you that will ‘shoot’ at you.”


Ellen White said that the “dumb-dog” leaders would NEVER AGAIN show the house of Jacob its sins. The reason this is so, is because it is the leaders who have “brought in” the abominable heresies.

Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.

Notice the words of Finley that directly parallel Ellen White’s statement that the leaders would say “The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is TOO MERCIFUL to visit His people in judgment.”

Finley says the church’s survival is guaranteed because of God’s grace. Finley admits only to mistakes and weaknesses, NO APOSTASY AND ABOMINATIONS.

Finley as much as says that Jesus loves His church no matter what it does, and that He will sanctify and cleanse it, and that the future of the church is glorious because He has promised to present His church as BLAMELESS.

It is from a mistaken interpretation of Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 81, that SDA’s have concluded that the bad are shaken out of the church at the Sunday Law. That IS NOT the meaning of the statement, and proof is the fact that Ezekiel 9 begins at His Church, His Sanctuary, along with all the other evidence provided in this document. That statement means that the gold (wheat) in all churches will be separated from the dross at the Sunday Law Test, while the dross remains in those churches, THE FIELD, for slaughter and burning.  But in every succeeding generation, True Reformers have left the church of their fathers because the ecclesiastical leaders would not TOLERATE LIGHT in the event of apostasy. Desire of Ages, 232. This is why the Midnight Cry says: “God Ye Out to Meet Him.”

The Church as the Field Where the Dross (Tares) are Burned


"The 'field,' Christ said, 'is the world.' But we must understand this as signifying the church of Christ in the world. The parable is a description of that which pertains to the kingdom of God, His work of salvation of men and this work is accomplished through the church. True, the Holy Spirit has gone out into all the world everywhere it is moving upon the hearts of men but it is in the church that we are to grow and ripen for the garner of God." Christ's Object Lessons, p. 70.


It is impossible to grow and ripen for the garner of God in an apostate church. That is why True Reformers have left their churches in every succeeding generation, DA 232.


"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.  


All Who Unite With the Corrupt Become Corporately Responsible for Their Abominations


The very reason Christ and His disciples and true reformers of all ages have separated, is because it is impossible to unite with the corrupt and remain/become pure. And, because one becomes corporately responsible for the abominations by supporting an apostate church without your presence and/or sacred tithe.


“The children were not condemned for the sins of the parents; but when, with a knowledge of all the light given to their parents, the children rejected the additional light granted to themselves, they became partakers of the parents' sins, and filled up the measure of their iniquity.” The Great Controversy, p. 28.


"Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church..." E. G. White,  Christ's Object Lessons, 71.


When the leaders won’t separate open sin from the church because they are the very ones who have brought it into the church, then the faithful must separate. That is why Jesus and His disciples separated. That is why Protestants separated. That is why Adventists separated in 1844. But according to Isaiah 37:31, 32, THERE IS ONE MORE GOING OUT OF APOSTATE JERUSALEM. NOT JUST BABYLON, BUT APOSTATE JERUSALEM, and this is why it is a misnomer to refer to the apostate SDA church as Babylon.


"The names of those who sin and refuse to repent should not be retained on the church books, lest the saints be held accountable for their evil deeds. Those who pursue a course of transgression should be visited and labored with, and if they then refuse to repent, they should be separated from church fellowship, in accordance with the rules laid down in the Word of God." {11MR 208.3}


"Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church, but He has not committed to us the work of judging character and motive.  He knows our nature too well to entrust this work to us.  Should we try to uproot from the church those whom we suppose to be spurious Christians, we should be sure to make mistakes.  Often we regard as hopeless subjects the very one whom Christ is drawing to Himself, it would perhaps extinguish their last hope.  Many who think themselves Christians will at last be found wanting.  Many will be in heaven who their neighbors supposed would never enter there.  Man judges from appearance, but God judges the heart.  The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the harvest; and the harvest is the end of probationary time." COL 71. 


In our largest churches the greatest evils exist, because these have had the greatest light. They have not a true knowledge of God, and of Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The leaven of unbelief is working, and unless these evils which bring the displeasure of God are corrected in its members, the whole church stands accountable for them. The deep movings of the Spirit of God are not with them; the glorious presence of the King of saints, and his power to cleanse from all moral defilement, are not manifest among them. Many come to the assembly as worshipers, like the door upon its hinges. They understand not the true application of the Scriptures, nor the power of God. They have eyes, but they see not; ears have they, but they hear not; they continue in their evil ways, yet regard themselves as the privileged, obedient people who are doers of the word. A carnal security and ease in Zion prevail. Peace, peace, is sounded in her borders, when God has not spoken peace. They have forfeited the terms of peace; there is reason for an alarm to be sounded in all "my holy mountain." The sinners in Zion should be afraid, in a time when they do not expect it, sudden destruction will surely come upon all who are at ease.” {RH, December 23, 1890 par. 10}


Remember Ezekiel 22:17-31, wherein the Jews were gathered into the midsts of Jerusalem for burning and melting? Why? Because the apostate church was the field, and tares, dross, are burned in the field, not the garner or barn (church in heaven, Heb. 12:22, 23).

The Bible says that it is the 144,000 who are BLAMELESS, not defiled with women (apostate churches) Rev. 14:1-4. Finley said the church is the BRIDE. That is not true. In Isaiah 62:1-5, Zion is the bride. Zion (Sion) Heb. 12:22, 23 is the church triumphant in heaven which has earthly representatives, GC, 426, who are the bride. The other people of the church are guests. GC 426-427.

The Future of the Church

Whether we decide to support God’s church or fight against it, the church’s survival is guaranteed because of God’s grace, Finley emphasized. Sharing important lessons from Ephesians 5, he reminded that despite its mistakes and weaknesses, Jesus loves His church, and He promises to sanctify and cleanse it. “And the future of God’s church is glorious,” reminded Finley, “because He has promised to present His church blameless.”

Indeed, part of being a leader is never be content [to be] where you are, because Jesus is always leading us to more, Finley said. “But if someone would write a book with all the faults of your wife, would you read it and not be ready to defend her?” he asked, in reference to occasional publications critical of the church. “The church is Christ’s bride,” he reminded his listeners.

Finley also reminded that the church is not a bureaucratic institution but is made up of people. And every one of us, he said, is a work in progress, as God chisels us until we become what He wants us to be. “The church does not come with stones fully polished,” he emphasized. “God is at work to build a temple of truth in which men and women reveal the character of God.”

Finley said: “But if someone would write a book with all the faults of your wife, would you read it and not be ready to defend her?”

Ron comments: Faults of wife are not the issue. Gross apostasy is the problem. The leaders are branding as “faults” what God considers to be abominations. Also, the church militant (wheat and tare co-ed church) is NOT the bride (wife) of Christ. It is Zion, the church triumphant that is the bride, Isa. 62:1-5 and Heb. 12:22, 23. The “dumb-dog” leaders don’t even know the Bible players after having gone all through Seminary! They don’t know that Zion is the church in heaven with earthly representatives. This is why God says they are dumb-dogs that CANNOT UNDERSTAND.

Finley says that the church will be cleansed. Ellen White said it will be brought down to hell by Ezekiel 9 beginning there. If the church was cleansed, why does Ezekiel 9 BEGIN there? And why did Ellen White say it would be brought down to hell?

The same Bible author (Ezekiel) who said that the slaughter would begin at His Sanctuary (apostate spiritual Jerusalem at the end-time, and literal Jerusalem anciently), also said that the church WILL NOT BE CLEANSED IN THE DAY OF INDIGNATION, to wit:

Eze 22:24   Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation. 

No cleansing! No rain (Holy Spirit) upon the apostate church in the day of indignation which is at the end-time, Rev. 14:10, 12.

Finley says that the church is NOT a bureaucratic institution. That is EXACTLY what it is, because a small group of men mutinied the ship and removed God, so that only a bunch of hoodlum, “dumb-dog” men are in charge, And they are so BUREAUCRATIC that Ellen White said: “NOTHING WILL BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE WAY OF THE NEW MOVEMENT.”

Ellen White’s View of the Future of the Church

Mark Finley is boasting about the glorious future of the church. What does Ellen White say about it?

“Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day." Ellen G. White, Review and Herald Articles, Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}

Ellen White’s Prophecy of the Final Fate of the SDA Church Militant




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Here is the Spirit of Prophecy prophesied prolepsis statement regarding the final fate of that once Noble Ship. This is a major LYNCHPIN to my warning message. Can you explain it away? Are you a passenger on this once NOBLE SHIP, that is about to sink to rise no more? NOTICE WHO SEPARATES FROM WHOM:

"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's prolepsis redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message,  symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

Note these important delineations in the above statement:

·       Ellen White is addressing HIS PEOPLE.

·       Ellen White is addressing those to whom God committed the EVERLASTING GOSPEL of Revelation 14.

·       Ellen White is defining the angel represented in prophecy as symbolizing a class of faithful men.

·       Ellen White is saying emphatically that the final Loud Cry message is delivered NOT BY THE LEADERS OF THE SDA CHURCH, but by a class of faithful men, because the leaders had failed to preserve their connection with God and had refused light from heaven!

·       Ellen White is addressing "watchmen upon the walls of Zion," NOT FALLEN BABYLON!

·       Twice Ellen White mentions HIS CHURCH, NOT FALLEN BABYLON.


·       The above reasons are why there is another coming out of a faithful remnant FROM APOSTATE JERUSALEM AS WELL AS FALLEN BABYLON.

·       Isa 37:31   And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 

·       Isa 37:32   For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this. 

Ellen White is addressing a BACKSLIDING CHURCH whose leaders and laity alike failed and rejected light from heaven and who refused to comply with the conditions so that God's promises are not fulfilled to them. Consider the following commentary on the 1884 Great Controversy that the above statement is quoted from:

“Consider for a few moments the chapter in the first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV, published by Pacific Press in 1884. In Chapter XXVII, ‘The Snares of Satan,’ you find that about four pages in the latter part of the chapter were omitted from the later editions of Great Controversy. These four pages are to be found in Testimonies to Ministers, pages 472 to 475. The information contained in these four pages is very valuable to Seventh-day Adventists and was very appropriately included in the first edition of Great Controversy, Volume IV, which when it was published was like the other volumes considered to be A MESSAGE ESPECIALLY TO SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS, and to [all] Christian people sympathizing with them in beliefs and aims.” W. C. White, Selected Messages, Appendix C, pp. 452, 453.

In the LITERl fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 example of apostate Israel, (A. D. 27-70) all the good left the apostate Jewish church, the Synagogue of Satan. Ezekiel 22:17-31. In the next LITERAL fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, the good leave the bad and the apostate church is destroyed:

Isa 37:31   And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 

Isa 37:32   For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

Ezekiel 22:17-31 is a portrayal of the final outcome of the apostate SDA church.

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260.

Ezekiel 22:17-31, is just an elaboration on Ezekiel 9.

Beware, God has seen fit to preserve this evidence that it might come to the fore in order to give you fair warning, just as true prophets warned all true Christians of the impending destruction of Jerusalem in the first literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 in A.D. 66-70. Will you heed His end-time warning of the same literal event? No “dumb-dog” SDA new movement leader (Isaiah 56:10-12) will ever give you this most startling and serious warning.

It is Time to Become Obscure to Nominal Adventists Who Will Report You to the Catholics

It takes time to become obscure to your former associates at the apostate church who would betray you to the Catholics. I have read that The Lord’s Day Alliance keeps an updated roster of the name and address of every Seventh-day Adventist. They hate Adventists, and are one of the most powerful forces in pushing for a Sunday Law.

"I saw the nominal church and nominal Adventists, like Judas, would betray us to the Catholics to obtain their influence to come against the truth. The saints then will be an obscure [hidden] people, little known to the Catholics but the churches and nominal Adventists who know of our faith and customs (for they hate us on account of the Sabbath, for they could not refute it) will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics as those who disregard the institutions of the people that is, that they keep the Sabbath and disregard Sunday. 

Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large, will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that Jesus' work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there is finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the sins of Israel upon the head of the Scape Goat. Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues will come upon the wicked, and they do not come till Jesus puts on that garment, and takes Hs place upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are falling, the Scape Goat is being led away. He makes a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that leads him. If he should effect his escape, Israel would lose their lives. I saw that it would take time to lead away the Scape Goat into the land of forgetfulness after the sins were put on his head.

The great white cloud I saw was not the holy place, but entirely separate from the holy and most holy place, entirely separate from the sanctuary. 

Then the angel repeated these words, and said, 'This is the time spoken of in Isaiah. He saw that there was not man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. He had no mediator between God and man, and these plagues could be withheld no longer, for Jesus had ceased to plead for Israel, and they were covered with the covering of the Almighty God, and they could live in the sight of a holy God, and those who were not covered, the plagues fell upon them, for they had nothing to shelter or protect them from the wrath of God." E.G. White, Dorchester, Maine, October 23, 1850, Spalding--Magan's Unpublished Mss. Testimonies, pp. 1, 2.


Note by Ron: Clearly, the nominal Adventists will not be keeping the Sabbath, because they hate the saints on account of the Sabbath. Notice that Ellen White says there will be “nominal Adventists,” AT THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE TIME OF TROUBLE:


“I saw that God had children who do not see and keep the Sabbath. They have not rejected the light upon it. And at the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully. This enraged the churches and nominal Adventist, as they could not refute the Sabbath truth.” Early Writings, p. 33.

These idols of professing SDA’s will never give their patrons this warning, and this listing IS NOT exhaustive. These men are “dumb-dogs” who are shepherding the sheeple into apostate spiritual Jerusalem, for the next literal 9 fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, and they are CLUELESS that this is what they are doing.


Ted Wilson

Mark Finley

Dwight Nelson

Doug Batchelor

Walter Veith

Vance Ferrell

Colin Standish

Ty Gibson

James Rafferty

Larry Fitzpatrick

Dennis Priebe

Ron Spear

Pr. Ben Brown

Prof. Patrick Jones

Dr. Lisa Brown,

Ev. Raymond Sapian

Ev. Jose Rivera

Pr. Raphael Perez

Stephen Bohr


The worst offenders are those who recite many of the abominations and then say: Stay for the Slay!